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My Tilt 2 observations

Less than 24 hours into the phone and not fully explored but ...
1. As discussed elsewhere, the Snooze and Alarm issues suck. No Snooze intervals. "Next Alarm" does not show.
2. Receipt of txt msg. does not light up the screen, but I wonder if this is merely a setting in sounds and notifications
3. Default browser in the tf3d tabs blows. Does not appear it can be reset to another browser.
4. Call list does not show pics of the callers that are saved with their contact information.
5. The threaded texts are ok and I suppose I will get used to it but I am not cool with seeing my own outbound texts show up in my INBOX with the designation "me".
I have NOT installed any of my spb products or other cabs yet. Just feeling it out. One of the greatest tweaks was reassigning the PTT to Voice Recorder and I am hoping to do that with the T2.
I will experiment with disabling tf3d soon enough and maybe that will resolve some of these issues.
Big thanks to the XDA crew for the tips, tweaks and cabs that helped me customize my original Tilt and I am looking forward to what you guys can do with the T2.

i kept the at&t rom on there for like 10 mins. i flashed a few different cooked roms, but settled on the offical htc 6.5 rom. very fast, stable, and much less bloatware. i would advise flashing a new rom asap, before u set up all ur preferences.

I also agree that you will be much happier on any of the custom roms, or the stock HTC rom.
Unfortunately AT&T loaded so much garbage onto the tilt2 that the phone is sluggish and just not fun to use.
Once you get a better rom.... you'll love the phone.

omaralt said:
i kept the at&t rom on there for like 10 mins. i flashed a few different cooked roms, but settled on the offical htc 6.5 rom. very fast, stable, and much less bloatware. i would advise flashing a new rom asap, before u set up all ur preferences.
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Well, I am still screwing around with it but I disabled TF3D and then installed SPB MS 3.5. I have not installed any of the MS tweak cabs though.
The screen clarity and the keyboard make it worth the price of admission to me. I think I paid 199.
Will flashing over the HTC ROM give me the keyboard issue that is mentioned in another thread? ATT has managed to set new records in crapware. On the Tilt 1 I could hard reset and soft reset, eliminating the crapware. Does that work on this T2?

I have to say, I've had no problems making the ATT one work for me. First, I purchased 16GB micro SD external storage. Started deleting all the extra misc files that come with the ATT, demo music etc.. moved pictures/albums off to external.
Then I've gone through and started throwing on some of the tweaks. Removed bottom bar, disabled internet push, increased Opera tabs, removed Opera from staying in memory, threw on some of the extra camera modes, and hit up some of the common reg edits.
I've had no problems with the phone's performance now. Fast as ever. The Opera in memory was the largest performance upgrade since I saved about 10% memory.

jinxey said:
I have to say, I've had no problems making the ATT one work for me....
removed Opera from staying in memory, threw on some of the extra camera modes, and hit up some of the common reg edits.
The phone works ok; no "problems" just preference issues.
How did you take Opera out of memory? For a 10% boost in device memory I'ld do that, even though I also typically run with a 8gb card (which I have not put in yet...and how freakin wierd to have the slot where it can not be quickly accessed!)
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First I disabled Push Internet:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=532948
install the NoPushInternet_v2.CAB
Second I forced Opera to close upon exiting instead of minimizing (taken from tweaks sticky)
* Go to: HKCU\Software\HTC\TaskManager\ExclusiveList\System
* There delete Opera9.exe (now it will show in the task manager)
* Go to: HKCU\Software\HTC\TaskManager\TerminateProcess
* There, create a DWORD with the name Opera9.exe value "1"

omaralt said:
i kept the at&t rom on there for like 10 mins. i flashed a few different cooked roms, but settled on the offical htc 6.5 rom. very fast, stable, and much less bloatware. i would advise flashing a new rom asap, before u set up all ur preferences.
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If I find, download, and use the official HTC 6.5 ROM, would this:
A: Void warranty?
B: Remove any software, ect that would handicap my Tilt 2 in any way?

rajuabju said:
I also agree that you will be much happier on any of the custom roms, or the stock HTC rom.
Unfortunately AT&T loaded so much garbage onto the tilt2 that the phone is sluggish and just not fun to use.
Once you get a better rom.... you'll love the phone.
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Where could I find the stock HTC Rom?

DLTempler said:
Well, I am still screwing around with it but I disabled TF3D and then installed SPB MS 3.5. I have not installed any of the MS tweak cabs though.
The screen clarity and the keyboard make it worth the price of admission to me. I think I paid 199.
Will flashing over the HTC ROM give me the keyboard issue that is mentioned in another thread? ATT has managed to set new records in crapware. On the Tilt 1 I could hard reset and soft reset, eliminating the crapware. Does that work on this T2?
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Yes you will have the keyboard issue. But installed the keyboard cab fix and you're set to go. I'm using it and works great.
No, the hard/soft reset wont eliminate crapware sadly. You need to go to another ROM. Trust me, you wont look back.

why does everyone say that their screen doesn't light up when the get an SMS? Is Tmobile the only carrier that kept this feature in, because mine lights up every time.
if you don't like the threaded SMS you can disable it with Advanced Config.

TMobile 6.5 ROM Issues

I upgraded to TMobile's official 6.5 ROM from the stock ROM.
Earlier my memory consumption stayed between 45% - 51%, but now with same applications installed, it is at 56% (after soft-reset - which I think is not bad), but even if I don't do anything - the memory consumption keeps increasing to 70% and beyond. Using taskmgr, I see the size of gwes.exe grows with time. At startup its about 17MB, but after an hour or so, it grows to 33MB. Any ideas how to fix this?
Second, TMobile has disabled weather animations on the home screen and somebody suggested that I set:
HKCU/Software/HTC/Manila/CachedBackgroundPath to '' HKCU/Software/HTC/Manila/HomeBackgroundPath to '' and
HKCU/Software/HTC/Manila/Home.WallPaperMode to 1
After this weather animations do work, but now I am stuck with the default wallpaper, as the moment I change it, the above values are updated and the weather animations stop working. How to fix this?
Thanks

Regarding your memory issues, your findings are consistent with what many (including myself) experienced with the official HTC WinMo 6.5 update for unlocked devices.
No solution other than to flash to a cooked ROM or go back to the official WinMo 6.1 ROM for your device.
Easy way for weather animations to work and if you want to use custom wallpapers is to use the HDWall tool.

just downloaded direct from tmobile the WM 6.5 Rom and my home screen animations work perfectly. they even reanimate every time i return to the home screen. Not sure why u would be having these troubles...Sorry!

Animations are working o.k.
Consumption is a bit more, but not the numbers you are having.
My issue...whenever I boot, it gives me a time zone screen and freezes momentarily.
Any idea to fix this.
It is a stock rom downloaded directly from Tmo.
Thanks in advance.

I downloaded the the 6.5 ROM from TMobile as well.
On Home screen, with the new Sense, there are two weather animations. One that is just below the clock. This one worked with the official 6.5 ROM, but there is another weather animation that covers the entire screen on the home screen - this animation did not work till I did the registry changes mentioned in my first post.
But now I can only have the default wallpaper. Plus gwes.exe keep growing. I don't know what to do, except hardSPL and try a custom ROM.

Just found the new update also on Tmobile. Since there seems to be "bugs" on the update, minor as they are, should I wait to update and what "great" feature/s does 6.5 brings to the touch pro 2?
thanks

akashastrega said:
Animations are working o.k.
Consumption is a bit more, but not the numbers you are having.
My issue...whenever I boot, it gives me a time zone screen and freezes momentarily.
Any idea to fix this.
It is a stock rom downloaded directly from Tmo.
Thanks in advance.
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Mine does the same thing. That, and the instant messaging opening up all the time about some error message. Thats getting old.

I know this doesn't give us any answers really, but here's what I found online about gwes.exe:
"It is the Graphics, Windowing, and Events Subsystem, but it does not load the drivers. That is actually handled by another app called device.exe. Gwes.exe is purely for the user interface components and doesn't deal with the hardware layer."
Based on that, my guess would be that some element of the UI is caching info as it goes along (might be the weather interface, or something totally different), and that's what's causing it to swell as a process. I have a good feeling that one of the great minds here @ xda will be digging further into that asap, if not already

djdanska said:
Mine does the same thing. That, and the instant messaging opening up all the time about some error message. Thats getting old.
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Yeah, this is really annoying.

If you disable the HTC Resource Proxy, the Memory settles back down to what I was used to under 6.1.
Do a search, you have to edit the registry. Doesn't seem to have any adverse effects. I assume the Resource Proxy is similar to the PreFetch on Vista/7. But I would rather have the free memory as what I do on my device is pretty sporadic and I always exit out of apps when I'm done.

here is a cab

see_u_then said:
TMobile has disabled weather animations on the home screen and somebody suggested that I set:
HKCU/Software/HTC/Manila/CachedBackgroundPath to '' HKCU/Software/HTC/Manila/HomeBackgroundPath to '' and
HKCU/Software/HTC/Manila/Home.WallPaperMode to 1
After this weather animations do work, but now I am stuck with the default wallpaper, as the moment I change it, the above values are updated and the weather animations stop working. How to fix this?
Thanks
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The weather animation worked now! Thank you!

downloaded 6.5 to my tmoble tp2 ...with no issues yet

After updating, even with the 2 big cabs that cut the memory down, I can't get the TTS to work in iGO8. I know I won't need it all the time (because TTS can be so distracting while driving and listening to the radio), but it would be nice to know that I can get it.
As it is right now, I have to turn of the Sense/Manila UI, run cleanRAM (level 3), and run it to get TTS. Sometimes I have to restart after disabling Sense/Manila.

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Thanks for the cab. My memory consumption dropped by about 10%.
This cab sets reg key HKLM/Software/HTC/ResProxy/ShareMemSize to 0.
After a soft-reset, the value of ShareMemSize changes to 131072 (128KB) automatically. But this is much better then the default value which was 12971442 (> 12 MB )
Will see if this helps with memory consumption issues.

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see_u_then said:
Thanks for the cab. My memory consumption dropped by about 10%.
This cab sets reg key HKLM/Software/HTC/ResProxy/ShareMemSize to 0.
After a soft-reset, the value of ShareMemSize changes to 131072 (128KB) automatically. But this is much better then the default value which was 12971442 (> 12 MB )
Will see if this helps with memory consumption issues.
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Just curious: Why not change the value "MaxShareMemSize" -- instead or in addition to ShareMemSize? I'm asking, not saying.

Well I upgraded to 6.5 and as I thought there are some bugs. One is that when I add cities for the weather and try to remove them, the "Remove Cities" screen is blank. I can't even remove any cities.

2003evo8 said:
Well I upgraded to 6.5 and as I thought there are some bugs. One is that when I add cities for the weather and try to remove them, the "Remove Cities" screen is blank. I can't even remove any cities.
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I haven't been able to add my own cities using the Weather Database Editor at all. It takes me to the add city screen, but it never saves the city and it never appears in the full list.

I too upgraded ROMs on the 16th to 6.5. The only issues with the weather is sometimes my location is some wierd place ive never heard of. but doesnt bother me too much. what does bother me is that my program memory while only running one program would get all the way up to 90%. so after a soft reset it would drop down to 60. but running internet exp. it went right back to the 70s almost 80. so i downloaded cleanram which after cleaning went down to 60 again. but the smallest thing increases it to the mid to high 70s. ill try this .cab above and see if that helps. any other tips or ideas would be great too.

djdanska said:
Mine does the same thing. That, and the instant messaging opening up all the time about some error message. Thats getting old.
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Same thing here. And if I make any changes to my today settings it will almost always lock up my device and require a couple of soft resets to get it back to running. Sense doesn't seem very stable to me in this build IMHO.

SMS Hotfix to Test

Greetings All,
Well after 1 1/2 days of searching with no help or guidenance from anyone, (Sorry but alittle annoyed that no one likes to help, but I'll get over it) I managed to wrap up a hotfix for our SMS problem with lagging and not beng able to txt. I am currently testing this to see how it is working, and so far, on an install level it went without a hitch.
This is not a fix for a noob, I STRONGLY suggest noobs do not attempt this hotfix, I am not responsible for bricking, crashing, loss of data, or frying of your phone! I assume no responsiblitly and if you attempt this you are doing so with knowing the risks that come with this!
Now since that is out of the way:
This hotfix is actually the last hotfix for the HD2 that was dated 1/24/2010. As far as I know the last fix corrected the issue of being able to txt while the thread loaded in the background, and since Seppi the good soul came up with migrating the fix to tp2 but was a much older version (1.5.2011.2130) I decided I wasnt waiting for HTC and decided to take their HD2 hotfix and do the same thing Seppi did and here it is.
HotFix Compatability:
All 2.07.40x Manila 2.5 Roms. NOT COMPATABILE WITH ANY PRIOR OR FUTURE ROMS. All Languages Supported.
You Have to turn off Manila by going to Settings/All Settings/Today/Items and pick windows default. Also make SURE HTC messaging is not running or the hotfix will not install.
It will ask you to install either on the Device or SDCard. MUST BE INSTALLED ON DEVICE.
Fixes: (2)
1) Fixes the SMS lag we all have been dealing with and not being able to type as the whole thread loads. Now SMS's load in background.
2) So Far fixes the loss of contact picture, this is due to a resetting of the phone and associates SMS's to sim card and loses association with phone contact.
Known Bugs: (3)
1) Same as in the HD2 at times the screen when rotating from landscape to portrait might mix up the last line where the last line and the one above it merge, going back to landscape corrects this. Does not happen from portrait to landscape.
2) All prior SMS's might not associate with the corresponding phone contacts.
3) This MAY reset your MMS settings and will need to re-enter MMS info. based on your service provider. You can reach this by tabing to Msgs/All msgs/Menu/Settings/Options/Menu/MMS Server. Select SampleMMSC to change your settings Manually.
Or going to Settings/All Settings/Connections/Connections Setup and going through the wizard again.
Notes:
I have attached two files, One is a direct install with no way to uninstall it, this is how I have it setup and is working. The other file has an uninstall feature incase of anything can be removed. I have not tested the one with the uninstall feature to see if it would work that way, but Your free to test it out.
To know if the hotfix has been applied, to go Msgs/All Msgs/Menu/About if successful, your app build should be 1.5 (Build 2011.3631) The original version on the TP2 was Build 2011.3831.
Any comments good or bad Feel Free.

75 Views and no one has anything to say? Gee wonder about that one.
And no one willing to try it huh? Well I can tell you this much it has made a difference so far, and it seems it might have fixed two POSSIBLE problems as well:
1) I have no SOD as of yet since doing this, even with weather animation.
2) No screen going black while typing or right after hitting send.

What can I say... If it ain't broke, don't fix it...
Others who have this problem might chance it but since I don't I'm not gonna stuff up a stable phone just to see if it breaks it....

ultramag69 said:
What can I say... If it ain't broke, don't fix it...
Others who have this problem might chance it but since I don't I'm not gonna stuff up a stable phone just to see if it breaks it....
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Oh it's broke alright. I haven't looked in these forums in a while. I gave up waiting for somebody to get a fix for this but I was curious and decided to take a peek in here to see what people are up to. The reason "it ain't broke" for some people is because they either don't have much sms volume or they clean out their inbox on a regular basis. For those of us who have a large volume of sms and don't have the time to clean out our inbox, it's definitely broke.
Anyway, you don't know how happy I am to see this fix! Thanks so much. I'm going to try it and I'll report back.
One question though...You say it's for manila 2.5...I'm not real fluent with the whole manila speak so I'm not sure if this will work on my phone. I've got a att tilt2 with the stock 6.5 rom running spb mobile shell. Will this update work on my phone?

AngelDeath said:
75 Views and no one has anything to say? Gee wonder about that one.
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Explanation: People like me see the title and wonder: "What's this?". So I click on it and see it's a solution for a problem that I don't have and haven't even heard of...so I have no comment on it. There's no big mystery about it nor any reason to take it personally.

imeraz said:
Oh it's broke alright. I haven't looked in these forums in a while. I gave up waiting for somebody to get a fix for this but I was curious and decided to take a peek in here to see what people are up to. The reason "it ain't broke" for some people is because they either don't have much sms volume or they clean out their inbox on a regular basis. For those of us who have a large volume of sms and don't have the time to clean out our inbox, it's definitely broke.
Anyway, you don't know how happy I am to see this fix! Thanks so much. I'm going to try it and I'll report back.
One question though...You say it's for manila 2.5...I'm not real fluent with the whole manila speak so I'm not sure if this will work on my phone. I've got a att tilt2 with the stock 6.5 rom running spb mobile shell. Will this update work on my phone?
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The Stock 6.5 that came with your phone is WinMo 6.5 Manila 2.1, it will not work with this version I do not suggest it at all. This version is for anyone who HardSPL-ed their phone and are using any of the generic HTC Roms without any Service Provider Bloatware. I would Add Customized Roms to the list but I think most Customized roms removed the 2.5 msging app from their cooked roms.
MCbrian
The people who dont have this problem either are using stock Roms from providers that have the 2.1 version of the app which didnt have this issue, or are people with the New Roms that are not heavy sms users, Or are using cooked roms without the 2.5 manila app in the rom and have reverted back to the WM msging app.
BTW FYI HTC didnt make the new msging system, its a 3rd party app, originally made by Jataaya, but was bought out by a company in india called ComViva which actually makes the app I believe.

Hi
Just installed the fix: looks like now SMS application has much better options, it just works better. I restored 500 messages, as for now it works smoothly. No hung after sending message. I'll test it for few more days, but even now I can say it fixes the buggy app!
And quick question: bulid version of the fix suggest it is 'previous' version (3631 instead of 3831). How is it?

and regarding SOD: had it 3 times already since instaling hotfix, but it is not rather related to hotfix. Just want to tell that hotfix doesn't fix SOD...

pilik said:
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Just installed the fix: looks like now SMS application has much better options, it just works better. I restored 500 messages, as for now it works smoothly. No hung after sending message. I'll test it for few more days, but even now I can say it fixes the buggy app!
And quick question: bulid version of the fix suggest it is 'previous' version (3631 instead of 3831). How is it?
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Glad to hear it fixed your problem. Question, did you use the uninstallable cab or the direct cab?
The reason for the version difference again is that HD2 software versioning is different then TP2, HD2 jumped from 2031, where The stock TP2 6.5 Manila 2.5 had the 3831 Being that its from HD its the same app but different build #'s.
And thanx for the feedback and about the SOD being the only one who was using it and not having the issue anymore I thought maybe it had something to do with the fix, but thats why I said POSSIBILITY cause being the sole user I had nothing else to go on.
Glad I made a difference. Thanx.

I used version with uninstall option. After another day of testing I confirm it fixes the most annoying behaviour of HTC SMS app. Sad that many people complain about the bug, not many want to try the fix- just look at the threads...
Regarding SOD: I contacted HTC service, they advised to upgrade the firmware (that's why I had to test the hotfix), now they say I have to 'repair' the device. I'll try. My company uses more than 40 TP2s, I am the only one who enocounters SOD. Maybe it is really broken...
Once again - thanks for the fix!

OK, I've installed the un-installable version, so far it seems to work well - the HTC messaging has never run so quick.
I'll keep an eye on it over the coming days.

much more smooth now! thanks!

Agreed, I also installed the removable version and it seems to work all ok, certainly much better than before!. This maybe a coincidence but when I flick through my picture album now (full screen images), sometimes it takes 2 or 3 'flicks' to get to the next image, don't remember it being like this before. It could be that the images are about 4mb a file, hhmm, will have a look at this.

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Agreed, I also installed the removable version and it seems to work all ok, certainly much better than before!. This maybe a coincidence but when I flick through my picture album now (full screen images), sometimes it takes 2 or 3 'flicks' to get to the next image, don't remember it being like this before. It could be that the images are about 4mb a file, hhmm, will have a look at this.
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The SMS Hot fix does not change any files that have to do with HTC Album, so it either is coincidence, or you were not aware of it before. But I assure you the two are completely unrelated.

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The SMS Hot fix does not change any files that have to do with HTC Album, so it either is coincidence, or you were not aware of it before. But I assure you the two are completely unrelated.
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That's what I thought, have just resized them, now only 1.49mb a file Definately better so must just have been a coincidence, will resize again properly when I'm back home to see if it's any better. flippin annoying! lol.

I have tilt 2 energy rom, will this work for my phone? the sms lag is bugging the crap out of me.. Thanks in advance!

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I just installed it on two us t-mobile hd2's. One is the orignal rom and the other is the updated rom. Both are responding much better to sms. The new rom is working almost perfect 99% better than it was. The orignal rom has 85% ish increase in speed so I would say that this cab is very much worth the install.
Thanks for you work.

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I figured I better give some more info.
I lost no sms info on either device.
I have had no issues in any of the other functions on either phones.
So again thanks for the work.

HTC Official ROM Update 8.30.2010 is OUT!

Hey Guys, just saw this on HTC's Official Site...our official ROM update with the sense ui is OUT!!!!
http://www.htc.com/us/support/tilt-2-att/downloads/
Sorry if this is a repost, Not sure if anyone else has tried it yet...haven't seen a post on it yet .
Added Some Screen Shot!!!
(The Task Manager and 4 tabs on the Home screen were things I added afterward)

Anyone try it Yet? About to install!!! woohoo!

Grr...first attempt failed...the moment I hit ok...it sent info to my my phone...and instantly the computer didn't recognize the device...and stopped the whole install...about to try again.

Ok! Did a hard reset...installing fine now. 7% will let you know what happens...once I get BsB Tweaks reinstalled I'll try some screen shots. ;D

At 7% there was some sortof an installation error...had me unplug the USB, take out the battery, put it back in, replug in the USB, and started the install over. At 7% it stopped again for a second, then kept going. Just finished the install, booting up the phone with the new ROM ...give me a few minutes to finish. ;D

Awesome! Up and running! waether clock yaay! Finally!
There's a cool little tutorial at the begining, shows you new keyboard autocorrect feature, which is really cool! Sets up e-mailetc... but can be skipped. ;D

Task Manager is gone....grrr

old windows mobile look when changing battery settings is gone!!!! HTC interface look!!! woohoo!

Program tab...from touchflo3D is gone...but not needed as much with the tabs on the homescreen. ;D

E-Mail appears flat infront of you ;D without the little envelope/slightly angled e-mail.

not finding the keyboard backlight options...since the power settings have changed...the option to adjust this has disappeared....backlight on the key board isn't turning on...maybe cause the light sensor is working....but I use to turn this off...so my keyboard would light up anytime I used it...
...anyone find where we can change this option?

Came with 15 contacts in ppl tab, no need to install the cab...although only 3 links on the home screen...will be installing the 4 link cab

Calendar is great in sense...have the options for agenda/week/year views now...awesome! Plus appoint reminder times are shown when clicking on individual appointments haha this was never visvble before in wm ;P

Can't believe they haven't fixed the snooze options...what a joke, still have to add an app to have snooze option choices. Ridiculous!

Grrr...board games was removed from this rom...I finally had a decent game of chess on my phone...and of all the bloatware...they remove the one I want. Grrr

Dude, there must be a half dozen threads on this already with the same info as this conversation you appear to be having with yourself.

ok honestly this thread is just pointless, like miami said, theres already dozens of threads just on this new ROM alone, a guy made a thread like this yesterday and i told him that he needs to search before posting a new thread, next time do so, ill have to file a thread deletion, this is just getting out of hand now

i make the update without problems, but now:
1)no task manager
2)less available storage space when boot (before 114mb, now 68mb), the same programs installed, nothing installed in the phone, always in the card
so far for the moment

StrangeShadow said:
Grrr...board games was removed from this rom...I finally had a decent game of chess on my phone...and of all the bloatware...they remove the one I want. Grrr
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The chess game on there is okay, but I actually had to put it on hard in order for it to even be a challenge of some sort. I think it beats me maybe once every 10 games or so. I'm not even that great of a player.
So what's missing in the new ROM so far sounds like task manager and board games. The alarm snooze isn't working either. Is it worth the ROM upgrade?

nathantw said:
The chess game on there is okay, but I actually had to put it on hard in order for it to even be a challenge of some sort. I think it beats me maybe once every 10 games or so. I'm not even that great of a player.
So what's missing in the new ROM so far sounds like task manager and board games. The alarm snooze isn't working either. Is it worth the ROM upgrade?
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For task manager just add Duttys Task Manager...if you want the same as the original, I like it.
BsB Tweaks lets you put in snooze options, which never existed in either Rom, but also let you add screen rotations to any program you want, plus other stuff.
Need Net...for BsB to work.
I think sense blows away touchflo, I love it.

Froyo 2.2.2 UK Retail Issues

I will update this thread as I found issues.
1. Middle of downloads the phone turned off and refused to switch on. Taking the battery out enabled restarting the phone again.
2. Despite of master reset/factory reset the phone is really laggy. Freezing applications made Defy very responsive but under 2.2.2 it appears no difference at all. (Second factory reset seems brought back somme life to my phone now...)
3. Definitely something is causing an annoying delay at startup even though the phone appears to be ready to use.
4. I have noticed once after a restart the capacitive buttons didn't light up for 1-2 minutes even though I was using the phone. The LauncherPro is installed and I'm suspecting that is the culprit here.
5. Once a number is dialed the phone locks itself. This is rather inconvenience when you need immediately use the key pad to select options. (20 June 2011)
Guidelines - 20 June 2011
I decided to write a guideline for Defy users. The information provided here have already been mentioned by others but normally not in one place. Please follow the steps below every time you flash a new ROM.
1. Master Reset (Whether you like this step or not this is required to do. Imagine upgrading a windows machine, it would be simply a mess in most cases. Any pro users would tell you always to do a clearn install. The same principle with Android applies)
2. Discharge the battery (It seems flashing a ROM messes up the battery calibration. Drain the battery to the point it won't boot then recharge it from the wall socket)
3. Avoid Restoring Apps (Only if is a must. Since Android 2.2 is different to 2.1 many apps might not work very well with the same settings restored from 2.1. Some vendors also offer different version for Android 2.2 or higher. Installing from market is best practice)
4. Avoid using widgets (They are simply battery eaters. Avoid them if they don't provide useful functionality to you)
5. Don't trust all vendors (Many apps placed on Android Market is written by programmers with no experience at all. A badly written app not only drains more battery but also takes up more precious RAM than it should. The less RAM you have, the slower the phone performs)
6. Don't keep large number of emails in your inboxes (They simply take up more memory)
7. Charge your mobile from wall socket when you can. It really does make a difference and also a recommended method by Motorola.
8. Put the Mobile Network to 2G when you can. It does save considerable amount of battery.
9. Switch off the phone once per day for 30 seconds before switching it on again.

Any chance to get hands on SBF for this release

Download available : Here http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/support/update/#

CSharpHeaven said:
4. I have noticed once after a restart the capacitive buttons didn't light up for 1-2 minutes even though I was using the phone. The LauncherPro is installed and I'm suspecting that is the culprit here.
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I notice on my handset (UK T-Mobile eclair) that the capacitive buttons sometimes dont light up when holding the phone landscape. I think there is a light sensor somewhere which detects the ambient light and adjusts the capacitive button lighting.

techguyone said:
Download available : Here http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/support/update/#
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I am on cm7 not sure if the phone will be detected by the msu. Will try once getting back home.
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techguyone said:
Download available : Here http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/support/update/#
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That will get you the motorola update software.
During the update the .sbf is downloaded. We need to get the sbf, however it is deleted once the update has finished. I think this happens when the motorola software asks to "reboot phone, connect usb and verify update".
Please, if anyone does the update make sure to find the .sbf file and copy it somewhere safe before the update is verified. Then post to xda of course
Olly

binodnepal said:
I am on cm7 not sure if the phone will be detected by the msu. Will try once getting back home.
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I'm not sure either, I reverted to 2.51 and did the update form that point.
Anyone installed CM over 3.4.2_177-3?
Olly

kashavsehra said:
I notice on my handset (UK T-Mobile eclair) that the capacitive buttons sometimes dont light up when holding the phone landscape. I think there is a light sensor somewhere which detects the ambient light and adjusts the capacitive button lighting.
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Thanks for that. I can actually reconfirm the issue. Last night when I was setting my alarm, with no lights in the room, I noticed once again the capacitive buttons' led were off. I was helding the phone in portrait and I know for sure this problem wasn't there in 2.1 because I always set my alarm after I turn the lights off (Bedroom's). When I press the Home Key to come out of the Alarm app the capacitive buttons lit up again.

binodnepal said:
I am on cm7 not sure if the phone will be detected by the msu. Will try once getting back home.
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If the msu is compiled by Motorola then I'm sure you won't be able to upgrade. The .msu can contain many other smaller installers that can do all the checking, exactly the way the update program does. Your only solutuion is to revert back to Motorola's stock ROM and give it a try.

Two more very annoying Defy/Froyo issues:
1) You can't disable the lockscreen anymore, so prepare for a lot of annoying swiping. Yes, you can get rid of the slider with an app called "No Lock," but this will also disable your security lock (pin code or pattern) which leaves your phone wide open.
2) The new gallery has more eye candy but less functionality, and it got slower too. If you open the folder list you can't read long folder names anymore. Is there is a way to run the old 2.1 gallery on Froyo?

I found the gallery the worst bit. So poor, I can't believe they let it go out like that. Runs like a dog.
I feel embarrassed for Motorola. Or I would if they were not working hard every day making their great hardware under-perform!
Seriously what a phone once CM is on it!
Olly

Use quickpic off the market, best gallery around
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rogier666 said:
Two more very annoying Defy/Froyo issues:
1) You can't disable the lockscreen anymore, so prepare for a lot of annoying swiping. Yes, you can get rid of the slider with an app called "No Lock," but this will also disable your security lock (pin code or pattern) which leaves your phone wide open.
2) The new gallery has more eye candy but less functionality, and it got slower too. If you open the folder list you can't read long folder names anymore. Is there is a way to run the old 2.1 gallery on Froyo?
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As far as I'm concerned Motorola has degraded the phone and I'm not too sure if that is legal or not. I'm referring to the apps Motorola developed such as the video player and the gallery that you pointed out, not the Android itself. The additional Task Manager that was shipped with 2.1 in US is a welcome.
I have found my defy is performing slower, unless those claim Defy performs better with Android 2.2 has some settings that I don't. I ended up installing SetVSel to speed thigns up. It seems to me I'm getting 1/4 less juice out of my battery. I can reconfirm it once I play music on it for a couple of hours.
Not wanting to sound negative all the time, here are some positive things I found so far. I'm very happy with this update because now I got all my emails working on my handset which was important to me which missed the feature for the past 6 months. The browser appears to work very smoothly in most cases. I haven't used the Tasks app yet but that is another welcome addition as I always have a need for such features on portable devices. Other positive things about Android is to thank google not Motorola anyway. The slightly improved dialer worth just mentioning about it.
If Motorola refuses to give us Gingerbread then I hope they provide an update to fix some minor issues that either annoying or impacting the user experience soon enough.

I gotta say I'm pretty surprised about all the issues people are facing with the Froyo update everywhere. I had the french update installed which was one of the first available in Europe before moving on to the leaked 2.3.3 and it was smoother than ever. No bug at all except for the space touch getting a bit crazy while typing a text a few times. I didn't have many applications installed. A few people mentioned the update's fine as long as you don't have much installed on the phone but it starts getting extremely laggy when you keep installing more and more applications. After a factory reset there shouldn't be any lags though !

MrBelter said:
Use quickpic off the market, best gallery around
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QuickPic would be the best gallery app if it would let us change the grid size (the thumbnail previews are too big now) and if it had "all photos" and "all videos" views. Unfortunately QuickPic only does folders.

lotfib said:
I gotta say I'm pretty surprised about all the issues people are facing with the Froyo update everywhere. I had the french update installed which was one of the first available in Europe before moving on to the leaked 2.3.3 and it was smoother than ever. No bug at all except for the space touch getting a bit crazy while typing a text a few times. I didn't have many applications installed. A few people mentioned the update's fine as long as you don't have much installed on the phone but it starts getting extremely laggy when you keep installing more and more applications. After a factory reset there shouldn't be any lags though !
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Thank you for your post. In my experience there was a noticeable performance difference between 2.1 and 2.2.2 before a single application was installed. One theory to why some people are happy with the performance and others are not could be down to different components used in Defy. No one knows for sure if all Defy around the globe use exactly the same components or not. As you pointed out installing apps appears to effect the performance so we can conclude those that are not experiencing performance decrease are not power users.

rogier666 said:
QuickPic would be the best gallery app if it would let us change the grid size (the thumbnail previews are too big now) and if it had "all photos" and "all videos" views. Unfortunately QuickPic only does folders.
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I am confused, all my photos and videos are in folders anyway and all the previews load like lightning so i fail to to see the problem, it is better than any default gallery whichever way you look at it.
Anyway only issue i can find with the retail 2.2 is how low highest screen brightness setting seems to be, the display is really hard to read outside now.

If you have a hundred pictures scattered over ten folders, would you want to tap into those folders one by one to browse all your photos?
Just like there's a unified inbox for mails from many accounts so you don't have to jump from one mailbox to the next, the stock gallery has a unified pictures view (all pictures in one grid) for all your folders.
If you want to swipe through lots of pictures from a bunch of different folders, having them all in one grid beats having to open all the different folders one by one.
If QuickPic would have the same unified picture view and custom picture grid sizes I would throw the stock gallery out. While QuickPic is working on it (are they?) I'll keep both apps.

The problem with the capacitive buttons that not lighting up is worse than I thought. It happens all the time, it doesn't light up and the only way to make it to work, when it gets really bad, by locking the phone (power switch) and unlocking it again.
The battery life noticeably shortened after the update. What I have done today was to completely discharge the battery to the point it doesn't turn on. Recharged it fully again without turning it on and from the wall socket. I'll report back if there was any improvements on Monday.
I also uninstalled VSel and set it to default CPU speed again. Despite of freezing so many apps and services the start up is really slow and I really feel the lag with the phone.

Another Defy/Froyo bug:
Dial *#*#4636#*#* to get into a service menu. From there battery_history/network_usage would tell you network traffic per app since last boot/unplugged/all time.
In Eclair all data was counted. In Froyo it usually doesn't count anything.