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My Tilt 2 observations

Less than 24 hours into the phone and not fully explored but ...
1. As discussed elsewhere, the Snooze and Alarm issues suck. No Snooze intervals. "Next Alarm" does not show.
2. Receipt of txt msg. does not light up the screen, but I wonder if this is merely a setting in sounds and notifications
3. Default browser in the tf3d tabs blows. Does not appear it can be reset to another browser.
4. Call list does not show pics of the callers that are saved with their contact information.
5. The threaded texts are ok and I suppose I will get used to it but I am not cool with seeing my own outbound texts show up in my INBOX with the designation "me".
I have NOT installed any of my spb products or other cabs yet. Just feeling it out. One of the greatest tweaks was reassigning the PTT to Voice Recorder and I am hoping to do that with the T2.
I will experiment with disabling tf3d soon enough and maybe that will resolve some of these issues.
Big thanks to the XDA crew for the tips, tweaks and cabs that helped me customize my original Tilt and I am looking forward to what you guys can do with the T2.

i kept the at&t rom on there for like 10 mins. i flashed a few different cooked roms, but settled on the offical htc 6.5 rom. very fast, stable, and much less bloatware. i would advise flashing a new rom asap, before u set up all ur preferences.

I also agree that you will be much happier on any of the custom roms, or the stock HTC rom.
Unfortunately AT&T loaded so much garbage onto the tilt2 that the phone is sluggish and just not fun to use.
Once you get a better rom.... you'll love the phone.

omaralt said:
i kept the at&t rom on there for like 10 mins. i flashed a few different cooked roms, but settled on the offical htc 6.5 rom. very fast, stable, and much less bloatware. i would advise flashing a new rom asap, before u set up all ur preferences.
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Well, I am still screwing around with it but I disabled TF3D and then installed SPB MS 3.5. I have not installed any of the MS tweak cabs though.
The screen clarity and the keyboard make it worth the price of admission to me. I think I paid 199.
Will flashing over the HTC ROM give me the keyboard issue that is mentioned in another thread? ATT has managed to set new records in crapware. On the Tilt 1 I could hard reset and soft reset, eliminating the crapware. Does that work on this T2?

I have to say, I've had no problems making the ATT one work for me. First, I purchased 16GB micro SD external storage. Started deleting all the extra misc files that come with the ATT, demo music etc.. moved pictures/albums off to external.
Then I've gone through and started throwing on some of the tweaks. Removed bottom bar, disabled internet push, increased Opera tabs, removed Opera from staying in memory, threw on some of the extra camera modes, and hit up some of the common reg edits.
I've had no problems with the phone's performance now. Fast as ever. The Opera in memory was the largest performance upgrade since I saved about 10% memory.

jinxey said:
I have to say, I've had no problems making the ATT one work for me....
removed Opera from staying in memory, threw on some of the extra camera modes, and hit up some of the common reg edits.
The phone works ok; no "problems" just preference issues.
How did you take Opera out of memory? For a 10% boost in device memory I'ld do that, even though I also typically run with a 8gb card (which I have not put in yet...and how freakin wierd to have the slot where it can not be quickly accessed!)
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First I disabled Push Internet:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=532948
install the NoPushInternet_v2.CAB
Second I forced Opera to close upon exiting instead of minimizing (taken from tweaks sticky)
* Go to: HKCU\Software\HTC\TaskManager\ExclusiveList\System
* There delete Opera9.exe (now it will show in the task manager)
* Go to: HKCU\Software\HTC\TaskManager\TerminateProcess
* There, create a DWORD with the name Opera9.exe value "1"

omaralt said:
i kept the at&t rom on there for like 10 mins. i flashed a few different cooked roms, but settled on the offical htc 6.5 rom. very fast, stable, and much less bloatware. i would advise flashing a new rom asap, before u set up all ur preferences.
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If I find, download, and use the official HTC 6.5 ROM, would this:
A: Void warranty?
B: Remove any software, ect that would handicap my Tilt 2 in any way?

rajuabju said:
I also agree that you will be much happier on any of the custom roms, or the stock HTC rom.
Unfortunately AT&T loaded so much garbage onto the tilt2 that the phone is sluggish and just not fun to use.
Once you get a better rom.... you'll love the phone.
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Where could I find the stock HTC Rom?

DLTempler said:
Well, I am still screwing around with it but I disabled TF3D and then installed SPB MS 3.5. I have not installed any of the MS tweak cabs though.
The screen clarity and the keyboard make it worth the price of admission to me. I think I paid 199.
Will flashing over the HTC ROM give me the keyboard issue that is mentioned in another thread? ATT has managed to set new records in crapware. On the Tilt 1 I could hard reset and soft reset, eliminating the crapware. Does that work on this T2?
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Yes you will have the keyboard issue. But installed the keyboard cab fix and you're set to go. I'm using it and works great.
No, the hard/soft reset wont eliminate crapware sadly. You need to go to another ROM. Trust me, you wont look back.

why does everyone say that their screen doesn't light up when the get an SMS? Is Tmobile the only carrier that kept this feature in, because mine lights up every time.
if you don't like the threaded SMS you can disable it with Advanced Config.

New SEA ROM Update

Hi All
FYI - A new upodate available at HTC for SEA non-branded TP2's.
ROM Version 2.07.707.1
Manila Version 2.5.20121225.6
http://www.htc.com/sea/supportdownloadlist.aspx?p_id=250&act=sd&cat=all
This one updates to a new version of Sense Ui and other stuff.
Impressions?
1. No Task Manager that can be utilised from the Home Screen (so how to change apps..?).
No Task Manager also means you can't readily see how much RAM is being hogged by the system.
2. No missed calls provision on Home Screen either..?
You do get the small icon on the top bar, a pop-up message AND the LED (green) actually flashes now - had to hack it before to do that.
3. Perhaps it's just mine, but to me the proximity sensor does not work now - it used too.
4. The shortcut Icons are stupidly large (3 per row).
5. The Programs Tab has been removed - this is a drag as the WinMo Programs area is still not dragable (just a go to the top option).
6. The Music Tab seems to now work better - at least it shows Album Art correctly now!
7. There's a Twitter Tab- not that i use it.
8. Calendar works differently.
9. Older Opera than current.
10. Older Google Maps than current.
11. It seems to be way louder than before too, both thru speaker and earpiece on a call - yay!!
12. The People Tab has changed to the new style - good.
13. FYI, SRS W0W (Sector HD2 version) still sends this version into no wakeup from Stand By mode - Damn!
13. New start animation (HTC-Simply Brilliant).
14. New background animations for Screen and Lock Screen.
15. Still can't believe that a Note file is not finger scrollable (WTF), yet Word is....
16. I have a sneaking suspicion that the battery life has taken a hit too, but unconfirmed at this point.
Lots of other changes to the UI, too numerous to make a big list.
In one way it is an improvement, although (to me) there have been a couple of backward steps, but overall, seems to be good.
One final thing, with this new UI - to me at least - it makes the scren look a little ...smaller.
Cheers
Jabberoo

wow, they give us sense 2.5? how generous...lol
but seriously, no task manager? how is the package overall? snappy or slower than 2.1? my old 6.5 upgrade is running sweetly at the moment, but this update is tempting

mr_sheen said:
wow, they give us sense 2.5? how generous...lol
but seriously, no task manager? how is the package overall? snappy or slower than 2.1? my old 6.5 upgrade is running sweetly at the moment, but this update is tempting
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Still unsure, early days.
I have some doubts that the battery life will be as good with this new update, but time will tell. It does seem a little less glitchy when using, the Home Screen seems a little overcrowded though with 2.5.
Still really don't get the no Task Manager thing, how the hell do you multi-task if you have to go through a menu series of hoops to reinstate the underlying programs that are still open.
With that, if they can't be triggered off with an X option (like on the previous versions' TM) they will all just bank up till your RAM says goodnight or you need to go into the bog standard old TM to turn them off.
Maybe I am missing something here, but this is a major oversight....
Also, as above, the no Programs Tab, means you need to use the WinMo Program list and with no real way to put things where you want them (just the Move to Top option) seems kinda dopey too.
Cheers
Jabberoo

jabberoo said:
Still unsure, early days.
I have some doubts that the battery life will be as good with this new update, but time will tell. It does seem a little less glitchy when using, the Home Screen seems a little overcrowded though with 2.5.
Still really don't get the no Task Manager thing, how the hell do you multi-task if you have to go through a menu series of hoops to reinstate the underlying programs that are still open.
With that, if they can't be triggered off with an X option (like on the previous versions' TM) they will all just bank up till your RAM says goodnight or you need to go into the bog standard old TM to turn them off.
Maybe I am missing something here, but this is a major oversight....
Also, as above, the no Programs Tab, means you need to use the WinMo Program list and with no real way to put things where you want them (just the Move to Top option) seems kinda dopey too.
Cheers
Jabberoo
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This is the interface that the HD2 got, am i right? do they new weather animation thats different than sense 2.1?
As for the no task manager, that is totally weird. You might want to write to HTC customer service about that and see what they come up with. I personally think its stupid to exclude the task manager though.
For the start menu, i usually us Joe Wilcox's awesome start thing because i cant stand the honeycomb layout. I thought it was just a mess, and one thing for sure, i never use the start menu. I just put the program tab straight up next to my home tab. So, again, i think its stupid that they got rid of the program tab as well.
How was the opera? you said that it was older right? well in the 6.1 official upgrade it was smooth when i scroll up and down on it, in yhe official 6.5 it just lags and not smooth, although the page renders perfectly. How's the opera scrolling in this package?
thank you for your response though

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AWESOME!!!
Even if Opera is older, actually renders touch.facebook.com alot better than previous releases (ie when ya tap a picture it shows up)
Google Maps 4 loads probably 3 times quicker on this rom than the first official SEA WM6.5
You can tell it to update weather and location on a schedule!! Yay!
It supports turning the ringer down when ya pick up the device, and has a pocket mode that makes it ring louder
It integrates the HTC messaging so ya dont see the ugly MS SMS app anymore
With this ROM, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend a TP2 to my non tech savvy friends.
First impressions: I'm more excited than when I first got my TP2! Now to test Coreplayer and xVID AVIs (which where fine with 6.1 and not the 1st 6.5)

mr_sheen said:
This is the interface that the HD2 got, am i right? do they new weather animation thats different than sense 2.1?
As for the no task manager, that is totally weird. You might want to write to HTC customer service about that and see what they come up with. I personally think its stupid to exclude the task manager though.
For the start menu, i usually us Joe Wilcox's awesome start thing because i cant stand the honeycomb layout. I thought it was just a mess, and one thing for sure, i never use the start menu. I just put the program tab straight up next to my home tab. So, again, i think its stupid that they got rid of the program tab as well.
How was the opera? you said that it was older right? well in the 6.1 official upgrade it was smooth when i scroll up and down on it, in yhe official 6.5 it just lags and not smooth, although the page renders perfectly. How's the opera scrolling in this package?
thank you for your response though
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To the above, yes the Home Screen weather ani is there, but it was the first thing to go - seen it once and after that it just messed with resources.
The same with the annoying uber-flipping clock, maybe good on the HD2 but not so on the TP2 where it tended to be a little laggy and buggy in motion.
I added the X Touch Task Manager back in and now it is as it should have been from the start - much better.
For the Programs Tab, i grabbed Cookies Cab that did some neat stuff, see here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=625483. The only down side with this is, as i've just discovered, is that you wont have a landscape Home Screen with the keyboard out...?
I did not really use Opera, just updated it and Google Maps straight away to the latest versions.
Overall, i think it is smoother, a little less laggy and well worth a look.
Did i mention it was louder too?
(I used the Audio Para tweak, but now do not have too)
Cheers
Jabberoo

can anyone confirm that the
Manila Version 2.5.20121225.6
in previous SEA 2.07 thread, it says 2.5.20121225.0
is there any differences?

x_sliver said:
can anyone confirm that the
Manila Version 2.5.20121225.6
in previous SEA 2.07 thread, it says 2.5.20121225.0
is there any differences?
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I have the same question, too

Contacts & Messaging sucks
While I can agree with some of the improvements that they have made, both contacts and messaging has been screwed up, a big mess.
Often one of this makes the phone hang and should say that I have reset the phone on more occasions in the last 2 days than I have done it in the last 6 months.
Missing feature of Task Manager from the task bar and the Program Tabs are a big let down.
Damn I am now waiting to get the next release, if we will have one.

anybody knows how to cut the RAM usage down at the start? my old official Sense 2.1 managed to started up at 42 % RAM after the resproxy tweaks and no push internet tweak. It seems that in this ROM those tweeks seems to do nothing, After i did the tweak on this Sense 2.5 ROM, the it starts up at 47%.
Anything new then? Plus there seems to be new entry in the resproxy registry called maxsharememsize or something like that. Should we put that to 0?

Does anyone encountered the standby of dead issue in this rom? I have this problem when the first time i lock my phone and go to standby mode from the fresh boot up and it just wouldn't wakeup after i press the power on button. It seems the solution is to wait a little bit longer after you lock your phone then only switch the phone off. I have not seen this problem in previous official sea rom.

i am now seriously considering switching back to the official sense 2.1
why?
1. The resproxy and no push internet tweak doesnt work. My Ram shot >70% after a day where i use all the feature (twitter tab,album,music,lock screen etc)
2. The messaging app is just...bad. It lags and not responsive sonewhat. Plus after a soft reset it reads the sms that i have in inbox as coming from my sim card contact rather than phone contact. Glitchy.
3. It seems pretty quick after a hard reset, but after all the contacts is in and weather updated + software and such, the home screen and the whoke experience started to lag.
overall i think they should just keep the 2.5 to the HD2 i guess. Our TP2 just wont cut it...

Hi jabberoo, how do you get back the X Touch Task Manager back?

shortly after applying this ROM, my TP2 fell of the window sill and bounced off the bench into the sink
Its away getting insurance quotes, etc. Having to rely on my Dopod 838 Pro. Yuck...

overall, this new official ROM is far much better than sense 2.1 altho u have to be a lil'conservative on opening programs. One feature I still can get to work perfectly...the FB photo albums on contacts. Not a single pic that I've seen appear on the album,eventho they did show the respective album names and number of pics inside.

Does it Have Vietnamese roms?
Do you think HTC SEA have vietnamese language? how do you switch to another language in HTC WM 6.5.xx?

haoren said:
Hi jabberoo, how do you get back the X Touch Task Manager back?
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Hi
Not sure of the question here...
You grab the "Touch X Taskmanager.cab", install it, go to settings/system and configure it, voila....!
I found the "Touch_X_Homescreen_Flip_clock_OFF.cab" is good too, getting rid of the unneccessary flipping action which becomes irritating after a short time, the "Touch_X_Left_softkey_as_camera.cab" is worthwhile too, instead of doubling up for Phone or using a quick link space for it.
Hope that helps...
BTW, the Mods to expand the Quick Links (HD2 tweaks) are all useless at this point, handy but useless, as they break Landscape mode with the Keyboard in the out position.
I am still finding that a GPS lock using TomTom can take several minutes to execute on this ROM, so no improvement there. It does work well, just can sometimes take a while to lock (but eventually does...)
Cheers to all
Jabberoo

I had noticed that with the Facebook Albums, too. I'm going to lodge a thing with HTC once I have my phone again...
As for the GPS lock taking several minutes: I get that with a brand new TomTom Go 750 if I travel to a different location with it off, then turn it on. I used to think the TP2 was a POS in that regard, but when the TomTom did it I thought that maybe it wasn't specific to the TP2.

penguinjet said:
Does anyone encountered the standby of dead issue in this rom? I have this problem when the first time i lock my phone and go to standby mode from the fresh boot up and it just wouldn't wakeup after i press the power on button. It seems the solution is to wait a little bit longer after you lock your phone then only switch the phone off. I have not seen this problem in previous official sea rom.
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Never had this issue with the ROM.
I tried to utilise SRS WOW (which is great) but this Standby issue was the end result on the TP2 (any ROM), which was a shame....
Cheers
Jabberoo

SMS Hotfix to Test

Greetings All,
Well after 1 1/2 days of searching with no help or guidenance from anyone, (Sorry but alittle annoyed that no one likes to help, but I'll get over it) I managed to wrap up a hotfix for our SMS problem with lagging and not beng able to txt. I am currently testing this to see how it is working, and so far, on an install level it went without a hitch.
This is not a fix for a noob, I STRONGLY suggest noobs do not attempt this hotfix, I am not responsible for bricking, crashing, loss of data, or frying of your phone! I assume no responsiblitly and if you attempt this you are doing so with knowing the risks that come with this!
Now since that is out of the way:
This hotfix is actually the last hotfix for the HD2 that was dated 1/24/2010. As far as I know the last fix corrected the issue of being able to txt while the thread loaded in the background, and since Seppi the good soul came up with migrating the fix to tp2 but was a much older version (1.5.2011.2130) I decided I wasnt waiting for HTC and decided to take their HD2 hotfix and do the same thing Seppi did and here it is.
HotFix Compatability:
All 2.07.40x Manila 2.5 Roms. NOT COMPATABILE WITH ANY PRIOR OR FUTURE ROMS. All Languages Supported.
You Have to turn off Manila by going to Settings/All Settings/Today/Items and pick windows default. Also make SURE HTC messaging is not running or the hotfix will not install.
It will ask you to install either on the Device or SDCard. MUST BE INSTALLED ON DEVICE.
Fixes: (2)
1) Fixes the SMS lag we all have been dealing with and not being able to type as the whole thread loads. Now SMS's load in background.
2) So Far fixes the loss of contact picture, this is due to a resetting of the phone and associates SMS's to sim card and loses association with phone contact.
Known Bugs: (3)
1) Same as in the HD2 at times the screen when rotating from landscape to portrait might mix up the last line where the last line and the one above it merge, going back to landscape corrects this. Does not happen from portrait to landscape.
2) All prior SMS's might not associate with the corresponding phone contacts.
3) This MAY reset your MMS settings and will need to re-enter MMS info. based on your service provider. You can reach this by tabing to Msgs/All msgs/Menu/Settings/Options/Menu/MMS Server. Select SampleMMSC to change your settings Manually.
Or going to Settings/All Settings/Connections/Connections Setup and going through the wizard again.
Notes:
I have attached two files, One is a direct install with no way to uninstall it, this is how I have it setup and is working. The other file has an uninstall feature incase of anything can be removed. I have not tested the one with the uninstall feature to see if it would work that way, but Your free to test it out.
To know if the hotfix has been applied, to go Msgs/All Msgs/Menu/About if successful, your app build should be 1.5 (Build 2011.3631) The original version on the TP2 was Build 2011.3831.
Any comments good or bad Feel Free.

75 Views and no one has anything to say? Gee wonder about that one.
And no one willing to try it huh? Well I can tell you this much it has made a difference so far, and it seems it might have fixed two POSSIBLE problems as well:
1) I have no SOD as of yet since doing this, even with weather animation.
2) No screen going black while typing or right after hitting send.

What can I say... If it ain't broke, don't fix it...
Others who have this problem might chance it but since I don't I'm not gonna stuff up a stable phone just to see if it breaks it....

ultramag69 said:
What can I say... If it ain't broke, don't fix it...
Others who have this problem might chance it but since I don't I'm not gonna stuff up a stable phone just to see if it breaks it....
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Oh it's broke alright. I haven't looked in these forums in a while. I gave up waiting for somebody to get a fix for this but I was curious and decided to take a peek in here to see what people are up to. The reason "it ain't broke" for some people is because they either don't have much sms volume or they clean out their inbox on a regular basis. For those of us who have a large volume of sms and don't have the time to clean out our inbox, it's definitely broke.
Anyway, you don't know how happy I am to see this fix! Thanks so much. I'm going to try it and I'll report back.
One question though...You say it's for manila 2.5...I'm not real fluent with the whole manila speak so I'm not sure if this will work on my phone. I've got a att tilt2 with the stock 6.5 rom running spb mobile shell. Will this update work on my phone?

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75 Views and no one has anything to say? Gee wonder about that one.
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Explanation: People like me see the title and wonder: "What's this?". So I click on it and see it's a solution for a problem that I don't have and haven't even heard of...so I have no comment on it. There's no big mystery about it nor any reason to take it personally.

imeraz said:
Oh it's broke alright. I haven't looked in these forums in a while. I gave up waiting for somebody to get a fix for this but I was curious and decided to take a peek in here to see what people are up to. The reason "it ain't broke" for some people is because they either don't have much sms volume or they clean out their inbox on a regular basis. For those of us who have a large volume of sms and don't have the time to clean out our inbox, it's definitely broke.
Anyway, you don't know how happy I am to see this fix! Thanks so much. I'm going to try it and I'll report back.
One question though...You say it's for manila 2.5...I'm not real fluent with the whole manila speak so I'm not sure if this will work on my phone. I've got a att tilt2 with the stock 6.5 rom running spb mobile shell. Will this update work on my phone?
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The Stock 6.5 that came with your phone is WinMo 6.5 Manila 2.1, it will not work with this version I do not suggest it at all. This version is for anyone who HardSPL-ed their phone and are using any of the generic HTC Roms without any Service Provider Bloatware. I would Add Customized Roms to the list but I think most Customized roms removed the 2.5 msging app from their cooked roms.
MCbrian
The people who dont have this problem either are using stock Roms from providers that have the 2.1 version of the app which didnt have this issue, or are people with the New Roms that are not heavy sms users, Or are using cooked roms without the 2.5 manila app in the rom and have reverted back to the WM msging app.
BTW FYI HTC didnt make the new msging system, its a 3rd party app, originally made by Jataaya, but was bought out by a company in india called ComViva which actually makes the app I believe.

Hi
Just installed the fix: looks like now SMS application has much better options, it just works better. I restored 500 messages, as for now it works smoothly. No hung after sending message. I'll test it for few more days, but even now I can say it fixes the buggy app!
And quick question: bulid version of the fix suggest it is 'previous' version (3631 instead of 3831). How is it?

and regarding SOD: had it 3 times already since instaling hotfix, but it is not rather related to hotfix. Just want to tell that hotfix doesn't fix SOD...

pilik said:
Hi
Just installed the fix: looks like now SMS application has much better options, it just works better. I restored 500 messages, as for now it works smoothly. No hung after sending message. I'll test it for few more days, but even now I can say it fixes the buggy app!
And quick question: bulid version of the fix suggest it is 'previous' version (3631 instead of 3831). How is it?
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Glad to hear it fixed your problem. Question, did you use the uninstallable cab or the direct cab?
The reason for the version difference again is that HD2 software versioning is different then TP2, HD2 jumped from 2031, where The stock TP2 6.5 Manila 2.5 had the 3831 Being that its from HD its the same app but different build #'s.
And thanx for the feedback and about the SOD being the only one who was using it and not having the issue anymore I thought maybe it had something to do with the fix, but thats why I said POSSIBILITY cause being the sole user I had nothing else to go on.
Glad I made a difference. Thanx.

I used version with uninstall option. After another day of testing I confirm it fixes the most annoying behaviour of HTC SMS app. Sad that many people complain about the bug, not many want to try the fix- just look at the threads...
Regarding SOD: I contacted HTC service, they advised to upgrade the firmware (that's why I had to test the hotfix), now they say I have to 'repair' the device. I'll try. My company uses more than 40 TP2s, I am the only one who enocounters SOD. Maybe it is really broken...
Once again - thanks for the fix!

OK, I've installed the un-installable version, so far it seems to work well - the HTC messaging has never run so quick.
I'll keep an eye on it over the coming days.

much more smooth now! thanks!

Agreed, I also installed the removable version and it seems to work all ok, certainly much better than before!. This maybe a coincidence but when I flick through my picture album now (full screen images), sometimes it takes 2 or 3 'flicks' to get to the next image, don't remember it being like this before. It could be that the images are about 4mb a file, hhmm, will have a look at this.

Allen Mead said:
Agreed, I also installed the removable version and it seems to work all ok, certainly much better than before!. This maybe a coincidence but when I flick through my picture album now (full screen images), sometimes it takes 2 or 3 'flicks' to get to the next image, don't remember it being like this before. It could be that the images are about 4mb a file, hhmm, will have a look at this.
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The SMS Hot fix does not change any files that have to do with HTC Album, so it either is coincidence, or you were not aware of it before. But I assure you the two are completely unrelated.

AngelDeath said:
The SMS Hot fix does not change any files that have to do with HTC Album, so it either is coincidence, or you were not aware of it before. But I assure you the two are completely unrelated.
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That's what I thought, have just resized them, now only 1.49mb a file Definately better so must just have been a coincidence, will resize again properly when I'm back home to see if it's any better. flippin annoying! lol.

I have tilt 2 energy rom, will this work for my phone? the sms lag is bugging the crap out of me.. Thanks in advance!

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I just installed it on two us t-mobile hd2's. One is the orignal rom and the other is the updated rom. Both are responding much better to sms. The new rom is working almost perfect 99% better than it was. The orignal rom has 85% ish increase in speed so I would say that this cab is very much worth the install.
Thanks for you work.

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I figured I better give some more info.
I lost no sms info on either device.
I have had no issues in any of the other functions on either phones.
So again thanks for the work.

JPH Changelog, reviews, and first impressions

Please post your first impressions of the JPH firmware. A changelog and bugs encountered would also be helpful.
Thanks!

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I'd be curious to know whether the thing that occurred with JPC on sim locked phones is still happening with this firmware - the product code changing and the phone asking for a network code. I really don't want to root my phone and go through the file copying again - I like it nice and stock-y.
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If you pinch-zoom in the applications menu this is now smooth =)
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That was only true until I installed apps and had 5 pages of apps

First impressions best 2.2 out there at the moment. No lag, very responsive mind you not downloaded many apps at the moment. No market missing apps.

I find 2.2 is hardly as exciting as what people make it out to be.
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Jordiharrison said:
I find 2.2 is hardly as exciting as what people make it out to be.
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For someone that uses flash 99% of the time on the web, 2.2 is a gift from God himself.

riz157 said:
First impressions best 2.2 out there at the moment. No lag, very responsive mind you not downloaded many apps at the moment. No market missing apps.
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Couldn't agree agree any more

JPH After 3 Hours Review:
Zero issues so far for me. I'm using the APK lagfix. Everything is nice and snappy (with and without the lagfix, although the lagfix seems to makes it better).
GPS seems to get an accurate lock very quickly indoors. (Started up maps, it found the nearest cellphone tower instantly with a 1km radius or something, then found my location perfectly after ~6 seconds. Going to street view once it had my location took my directly outside my house. Not the best GPS test ever, but it worked as well as any other GPS I've ever seen for that simple task.)
Compass seems to be as flaky as ever. This might be a hardware problem with my phone though, since the compass has always been flaky.
Blacks in videos seem as good as ever, and it played a few video files I gave it without issues.
Google market worked without issue, and wifi/hsdpa worked well. No issues with sdcards or anything like that either.
Internet browser is the best I've seen it, with flashing loading and playing smoothly without affecting speed on the rest of the page. Full page engadget with flash ads along the top and right side scrolled very smoothly after loading fully.
Games work the same that they've always worked (zero change, there aren't any games out that tax the GPU yet.)
I'll post a further review after using it for 24 hours or so.

Sorry to disturb your happyness and the overall enthusiasm
But.
Similar to JPC there is still an great Problem or Bug.
As JPC, JPH also dont sync tasks and appointments that are created with another app than the built in stock calendar
This is (for me, and for everyone who want to use the Galaxy seriously for Buisiness and Task planning) an absolutely bad behaviour.
I use Jorte and at first Quick Addroid for adding and editing Tasks. Because the Stock Calendar is to poor in Functionality and not very comfortable.
So if i add an Task with e.g. Quick Addroid, it appears in Device in all installed Calendar apps but is not synced with Google.
If i then edit and save it in Stock Calendar, then it will be synced.
Maybe, it belongs to changes in the code in Froyo, that ar not compatible with not samsung apps. Maybe the programmers have to fix it in their Software.
But also maybe that it is an Bug and Samsung have to fix this.

pbruck said:
Sorry to disturb your happyness and the overall enthusiasm
But.
Similar to JPC there is still an great Problem or Bug.
As JPC, JPH also dont sync tasks and appointments that are created with another app than the built in stock calendar
This is (for me, and for everyone who want to use the Galaxy seriously for Buisiness and Task planning) an absolutely bad behaviour.
I use Jorte and at first Quick Addroid for adding and editing Tasks. Because the Stock Calendar is to poor in Functionality and not very comfortable.
So if i add an Task with e.g. Quick Addroid, it appears in Device in all installed Calendar apps but is not synced with Google.
If i then edit and save it in Stock Calendar, then it will be synced.
Maybe, it belongs to changes in the code in Froyo, that ar not compatible with not samsung apps. Maybe the programmers have to fix it in their Software.
But also maybe that it is an Bug and Samsung have to fix this.
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To be honest, I doubt this is a dealbreaker for 99% of people.
I think it would be classed as a 'minor annoyance'! As far as I know, syncing (google integration in general) has changed a bit in 2.2, so it's probably the app that has to be updated. I could be way off here though.

Scrolling trough the Touchwiz icons in the menu is very sluggish here. Eclair was way smoother. Is just me?

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Scrolling trough the Touchwiz icons in the menu is very sluggish here. Eclair was way smoother. Is just me?
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Nope, it isn't just you. I've done factory reset and it's the same.
I knew it isn't so good when I saw that the boot animation was slow and sluggish.

RyanZA said:
To be honest, I doubt this is a dealbreaker for 99% of people.
I think it would be classed as a 'minor annoyance'! As far as I know, syncing (google integration in general) has changed a bit in 2.2, so it's probably the app that has to be updated. I could be way off here though.
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Maybe you´r right.
But this is my experience and my oppinion.
So far, so bad.
If this is (and i think so, as you) an problem of the apps, that ar not compatible with Froyo, then i hope they fix it asap.
For me is the proper sync of all Data and tasks absolutely mandatory. And so i have to downgrade (once again) to JM8
Very bad.
Much more because i really appreciate and like the new Functions in Froyo.

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Scrolling trough the Touchwiz icons in the menu is very sluggish here. Eclair was way smoother. Is just me?
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Yep feels sluggish on Touchwiz and even worse on Home replacemant apps such as Launcher Pro and ADW.....sadly!

Is WiFi Router working for you? I just get on H icon in notification bar upload arrow highlighted, download arrow stays gray all the time and theres no connection on PC. On USB tethering i get few pings nicely and then connection is broken for few seconds. I have to try this with other FW, maybe it's my provider fault but maybe you have simmilar problem?

Well...then , not worth upgrading from JM8 , i guess

Uhhh, theres also problem with compass and calibration. Every phone restart they are changing to default which is bad and compass after reboot always shows that theres wrong magnetic field and it shows wrong directions.

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Is WiFi Router working for you? I just get on H icon in notification bar upload arrow highlighted, download arrow stays gray all the time and theres no connection on PC. On USB tethering i get few pings nicely and then connection is broken for few seconds. I have to try this with other FW, maybe it's my provider fault but maybe you have simmilar problem?
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Yes, working WiFi Router.

Going back to JM7. Samsung engineers and programmers are a bunch of monkeys.
GPS, FM MONO!!!, LAG, SLUGGISH SCROLL, mehhhh
Never had good experiences with Samsung products and support... they only want to sell, get OUR money, and then tell their customers to screw themselves.

Froyo 2.2.2 UK Retail Issues

I will update this thread as I found issues.
1. Middle of downloads the phone turned off and refused to switch on. Taking the battery out enabled restarting the phone again.
2. Despite of master reset/factory reset the phone is really laggy. Freezing applications made Defy very responsive but under 2.2.2 it appears no difference at all. (Second factory reset seems brought back somme life to my phone now...)
3. Definitely something is causing an annoying delay at startup even though the phone appears to be ready to use.
4. I have noticed once after a restart the capacitive buttons didn't light up for 1-2 minutes even though I was using the phone. The LauncherPro is installed and I'm suspecting that is the culprit here.
5. Once a number is dialed the phone locks itself. This is rather inconvenience when you need immediately use the key pad to select options. (20 June 2011)
Guidelines - 20 June 2011
I decided to write a guideline for Defy users. The information provided here have already been mentioned by others but normally not in one place. Please follow the steps below every time you flash a new ROM.
1. Master Reset (Whether you like this step or not this is required to do. Imagine upgrading a windows machine, it would be simply a mess in most cases. Any pro users would tell you always to do a clearn install. The same principle with Android applies)
2. Discharge the battery (It seems flashing a ROM messes up the battery calibration. Drain the battery to the point it won't boot then recharge it from the wall socket)
3. Avoid Restoring Apps (Only if is a must. Since Android 2.2 is different to 2.1 many apps might not work very well with the same settings restored from 2.1. Some vendors also offer different version for Android 2.2 or higher. Installing from market is best practice)
4. Avoid using widgets (They are simply battery eaters. Avoid them if they don't provide useful functionality to you)
5. Don't trust all vendors (Many apps placed on Android Market is written by programmers with no experience at all. A badly written app not only drains more battery but also takes up more precious RAM than it should. The less RAM you have, the slower the phone performs)
6. Don't keep large number of emails in your inboxes (They simply take up more memory)
7. Charge your mobile from wall socket when you can. It really does make a difference and also a recommended method by Motorola.
8. Put the Mobile Network to 2G when you can. It does save considerable amount of battery.
9. Switch off the phone once per day for 30 seconds before switching it on again.

Any chance to get hands on SBF for this release

Download available : Here http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/support/update/#

CSharpHeaven said:
4. I have noticed once after a restart the capacitive buttons didn't light up for 1-2 minutes even though I was using the phone. The LauncherPro is installed and I'm suspecting that is the culprit here.
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I notice on my handset (UK T-Mobile eclair) that the capacitive buttons sometimes dont light up when holding the phone landscape. I think there is a light sensor somewhere which detects the ambient light and adjusts the capacitive button lighting.

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Download available : Here http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/support/update/#
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I am on cm7 not sure if the phone will be detected by the msu. Will try once getting back home.
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Download available : Here http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/support/update/#
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That will get you the motorola update software.
During the update the .sbf is downloaded. We need to get the sbf, however it is deleted once the update has finished. I think this happens when the motorola software asks to "reboot phone, connect usb and verify update".
Please, if anyone does the update make sure to find the .sbf file and copy it somewhere safe before the update is verified. Then post to xda of course
Olly

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I am on cm7 not sure if the phone will be detected by the msu. Will try once getting back home.
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I'm not sure either, I reverted to 2.51 and did the update form that point.
Anyone installed CM over 3.4.2_177-3?
Olly

kashavsehra said:
I notice on my handset (UK T-Mobile eclair) that the capacitive buttons sometimes dont light up when holding the phone landscape. I think there is a light sensor somewhere which detects the ambient light and adjusts the capacitive button lighting.
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Thanks for that. I can actually reconfirm the issue. Last night when I was setting my alarm, with no lights in the room, I noticed once again the capacitive buttons' led were off. I was helding the phone in portrait and I know for sure this problem wasn't there in 2.1 because I always set my alarm after I turn the lights off (Bedroom's). When I press the Home Key to come out of the Alarm app the capacitive buttons lit up again.

binodnepal said:
I am on cm7 not sure if the phone will be detected by the msu. Will try once getting back home.
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If the msu is compiled by Motorola then I'm sure you won't be able to upgrade. The .msu can contain many other smaller installers that can do all the checking, exactly the way the update program does. Your only solutuion is to revert back to Motorola's stock ROM and give it a try.

Two more very annoying Defy/Froyo issues:
1) You can't disable the lockscreen anymore, so prepare for a lot of annoying swiping. Yes, you can get rid of the slider with an app called "No Lock," but this will also disable your security lock (pin code or pattern) which leaves your phone wide open.
2) The new gallery has more eye candy but less functionality, and it got slower too. If you open the folder list you can't read long folder names anymore. Is there is a way to run the old 2.1 gallery on Froyo?

I found the gallery the worst bit. So poor, I can't believe they let it go out like that. Runs like a dog.
I feel embarrassed for Motorola. Or I would if they were not working hard every day making their great hardware under-perform!
Seriously what a phone once CM is on it!
Olly

Use quickpic off the market, best gallery around
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rogier666 said:
Two more very annoying Defy/Froyo issues:
1) You can't disable the lockscreen anymore, so prepare for a lot of annoying swiping. Yes, you can get rid of the slider with an app called "No Lock," but this will also disable your security lock (pin code or pattern) which leaves your phone wide open.
2) The new gallery has more eye candy but less functionality, and it got slower too. If you open the folder list you can't read long folder names anymore. Is there is a way to run the old 2.1 gallery on Froyo?
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As far as I'm concerned Motorola has degraded the phone and I'm not too sure if that is legal or not. I'm referring to the apps Motorola developed such as the video player and the gallery that you pointed out, not the Android itself. The additional Task Manager that was shipped with 2.1 in US is a welcome.
I have found my defy is performing slower, unless those claim Defy performs better with Android 2.2 has some settings that I don't. I ended up installing SetVSel to speed thigns up. It seems to me I'm getting 1/4 less juice out of my battery. I can reconfirm it once I play music on it for a couple of hours.
Not wanting to sound negative all the time, here are some positive things I found so far. I'm very happy with this update because now I got all my emails working on my handset which was important to me which missed the feature for the past 6 months. The browser appears to work very smoothly in most cases. I haven't used the Tasks app yet but that is another welcome addition as I always have a need for such features on portable devices. Other positive things about Android is to thank google not Motorola anyway. The slightly improved dialer worth just mentioning about it.
If Motorola refuses to give us Gingerbread then I hope they provide an update to fix some minor issues that either annoying or impacting the user experience soon enough.

I gotta say I'm pretty surprised about all the issues people are facing with the Froyo update everywhere. I had the french update installed which was one of the first available in Europe before moving on to the leaked 2.3.3 and it was smoother than ever. No bug at all except for the space touch getting a bit crazy while typing a text a few times. I didn't have many applications installed. A few people mentioned the update's fine as long as you don't have much installed on the phone but it starts getting extremely laggy when you keep installing more and more applications. After a factory reset there shouldn't be any lags though !

MrBelter said:
Use quickpic off the market, best gallery around
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QuickPic would be the best gallery app if it would let us change the grid size (the thumbnail previews are too big now) and if it had "all photos" and "all videos" views. Unfortunately QuickPic only does folders.

lotfib said:
I gotta say I'm pretty surprised about all the issues people are facing with the Froyo update everywhere. I had the french update installed which was one of the first available in Europe before moving on to the leaked 2.3.3 and it was smoother than ever. No bug at all except for the space touch getting a bit crazy while typing a text a few times. I didn't have many applications installed. A few people mentioned the update's fine as long as you don't have much installed on the phone but it starts getting extremely laggy when you keep installing more and more applications. After a factory reset there shouldn't be any lags though !
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Thank you for your post. In my experience there was a noticeable performance difference between 2.1 and 2.2.2 before a single application was installed. One theory to why some people are happy with the performance and others are not could be down to different components used in Defy. No one knows for sure if all Defy around the globe use exactly the same components or not. As you pointed out installing apps appears to effect the performance so we can conclude those that are not experiencing performance decrease are not power users.

rogier666 said:
QuickPic would be the best gallery app if it would let us change the grid size (the thumbnail previews are too big now) and if it had "all photos" and "all videos" views. Unfortunately QuickPic only does folders.
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I am confused, all my photos and videos are in folders anyway and all the previews load like lightning so i fail to to see the problem, it is better than any default gallery whichever way you look at it.
Anyway only issue i can find with the retail 2.2 is how low highest screen brightness setting seems to be, the display is really hard to read outside now.

If you have a hundred pictures scattered over ten folders, would you want to tap into those folders one by one to browse all your photos?
Just like there's a unified inbox for mails from many accounts so you don't have to jump from one mailbox to the next, the stock gallery has a unified pictures view (all pictures in one grid) for all your folders.
If you want to swipe through lots of pictures from a bunch of different folders, having them all in one grid beats having to open all the different folders one by one.
If QuickPic would have the same unified picture view and custom picture grid sizes I would throw the stock gallery out. While QuickPic is working on it (are they?) I'll keep both apps.

The problem with the capacitive buttons that not lighting up is worse than I thought. It happens all the time, it doesn't light up and the only way to make it to work, when it gets really bad, by locking the phone (power switch) and unlocking it again.
The battery life noticeably shortened after the update. What I have done today was to completely discharge the battery to the point it doesn't turn on. Recharged it fully again without turning it on and from the wall socket. I'll report back if there was any improvements on Monday.
I also uninstalled VSel and set it to default CPU speed again. Despite of freezing so many apps and services the start up is really slow and I really feel the lag with the phone.

Another Defy/Froyo bug:
Dial *#*#4636#*#* to get into a service menu. From there battery_history/network_usage would tell you network traffic per app since last boot/unplugged/all time.
In Eclair all data was counted. In Froyo it usually doesn't count anything.