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[BENCHMARK] - LVSW vs. WM Black 1.1 vs. WMXL 0.2

Hi Everyone,
To give xda lovers an idea on the performance characteristics of the most popular 3 WM6 releases, i have just spent the last few hours doing a benchmark using SPB.
The test set up was:
1. OS Flash only
2. No additional Apps after fresh Hard Reset (except SPB Benchmark)
3. Imate Jasjam HT647
4. Main test completed only (no storage card or battery life)
The results speak for themselves (the highest achieving score is marked in red)
EDIT: I forgot the Vanilla ROM. Will update tomorrow, time for sleep, its 5am GMT+10. and only 5 hours sleep in the last 2.75 days.

Thanks,
I know everyone was looking for something like this. Now I know I choose the right OS flavor

Excellent work!!! the dark side wins! wow... maybe I should try it after all

I have a request for all rom cooker and publisher:
PLEASE, once relased a rom, write in the FIRST post:
All possible information about used memory at HR (RAM & Programs).
All reg tweaks included
All external programs installed
Other tweaks like video drivers etc.
All new issues resolved (like VoIP & others)
Someone has done it, someone not. Please post yours cooked rom in this way, so we all can do the right choice, in base at our necessity.
regards

Every time I think I have seen just how resourceful this group is someone comes out of the woodwork and does the yet another thing to surprise me.
(That and a friendly act of one-up-manship )

Many thanks i've been wondering if there was much difference in the speed of the ROMs, now i know. Does any one know how the WM6 ROMs compare to WM5 ROMs speeds?

Yeah - the results do speak for themselves. In my humble opinion, they demonstrate that there is almost nothing to choose between the ROMs in this test because the differences are really tiny. I wonder if you'd even get the same results if you ran the tests a second time?
Thanks for running the tests - interesting stuff!

Izzard-UK said:
Yeah - the results do speak for themselves. In my humble opinion, they demonstrate that there is almost nothing to choose between the ROMs in this test because the differences are really tiny. I wonder if you'd even get the same results if you ran the tests a second time?
Thanks for running the tests - interesting stuff!
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Sanity! A valuable exercise, but no meaningful difference. Is there en equivalent table for some WM5 ROMS? I keep hearing that WM6 is quicker.

The tables we saw for the different WM5 roms (especially comparing the stock TyTN rom with the south africa and AKU3.3 test roms) were VERY helpfull and the differences were quite noticeable (stability-wise aswell as speed), the WM6 comparisons are all pretty much the same, did the Vanilla rom get a mention at all??
Once we see a full Hermes WM6 rom (from iMate, HTC, Dopod et all) cooked for LVSW,Black or WMXL i predict we may see a noticeable difference from these current ones.
Good thread

What's really frackin kewl about this whole thing is
1. All the roms kick arse.
2. We have a WM6 ROM
3. Have multiple WM6 roms to choose from
4. Start @ 1. and repeat
Don't you just want to laugh! XDA LIVES and it is livin in WM6!

now i personally havent tried any of the wm6, as me and a few others are currently cooking a rom with PTT, i cant go without this feature so i am being patient... I have loaded a few up on my test phone, but havent fully given them a test drive yet... so im not putting anyone or any rom down with this comment, but its something you must realize... fastest doesnt necessarily mean its the most stable. and even if you find one that is stable with your apps doesnt mean its going to be stable for the next guy, its all trial and error

LSVW seems to be the one that runs the most stable without issue and pretty speedy
WM Black runs the fastest, but most unstable for me. Maybe it just the applications I installed having issues. I will works on it again tonight. (After 5 flash......)
WMXL 2.0 has really good features and runs pretty stable too, but somehow it runs slower than other two. A very good custom ROM.
Again, I am not a preofessional give a fair overview. This is just my experience with all 3.

Penske MB said:
LSVW seems to be the one that runs the most stable without issue and pretty speedy
WM Black runs the fastest, but most unstable for me. Maybe it just the applications I installed having issues. I will works on it again tonight. (After 5 flash......)
WMXL 2.0 has really good features and runs pretty stable too, but somehow it runs slower than other two. A very good custom ROM.
Again, I am not a preofessional give a fair overview. This is just my experience with all 3.
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i completely agree with you...i tried all three and lsvw seems to be the most stable

Same OS, the test results didn't show any significant different..........just a little bit.
It will be better and perfect test ,if u compare with WM5.
Thk

Hi guys,
the benchmarks I did last night for the 3 roms were done after a clean HR with no additional hacks patches, hence, as they were release by the chef's.
There isnt a significant difference in speed between the three but you will notice that WMXL has around 20mb of free RAM on a fresh HR as it loads more UI data etc in RAM to provide a faster response (this was checked with SKTOOLS).
It will be interesting to see how these roms compare against an official WM6 hermes ROM if one will ever be released.
Nonetheless, as these roms are cooked, expect to find bugs or undisclosed features. If bugs are found, the chefs will try and resolve them etc. Also remember that even though our HERMES are essentially the same, some ROMS wonts work on som devices, so you might have to see what works for you. luckily my JASJAM is compatible with all the roms posted so far so it is pretty universal.
Enjoy the contributions guys and if you can, please donate the xda-developers for the help it has iven you.

I agree that LSVW ROM is the most stable among 3 WM6 ROMs

hatori said:
Same OS, the test results didn't show any significant different..........just a little bit.
It will be better and perfect test ,if u compare with WM5.
Thk
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i will do this soon, give ma an hour....or so.....
mtty is getting a work out.
I will flash SA1.35 and an AKU3.3 ROM.
and then post the results in the first post.

Ping Jasjammin, did you do the WM6 v WM% benchmark? Be good to see how they compare on a fresh comparable install

[Q] WM6.1 that's similar to Schaps'?

It seems that schaps has fallen behind with releasing the latest 6.1 (due to personal things that he has to deal with), and I've been looking to install a new release on my phone. Which version out today comes closest to what schaps had?

I'm currently using Pays v3.05 lite and I would say its pretty close to schaps ROM's.

MrDSL said:
I'm currently using Pays v3.05 lite and I would say its pretty close to schaps ROM's.
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Did you notice battery drain with Pays ROM?
Cheers

ibeqa said:
Did you notice battery drain with Pays ROM?
Cheers
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Honestly I think I need a new battery because its been messed up for awhile so I couldnt say for sure.

ive changed from schaps to pays and the battery drain is over! it's a bug from all schaps versions

My clean version is similar to Schaps'. See link here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=372118

tehCORE said:
ive changed from schaps to pays and the battery drain is over! it's a bug from all schaps versions
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I have to say thats a bit unfair. My battery life is much better since I upgraded from WM5 std ROM to Schaps 4.31.
It seems each of us has a different experience and that can be as simple as installed apps location or as random as brand of storage card.
The Chefs put in a lot of effort and to slate a whole series of ROMS from one Chef is unfair and quite probably unjust as I know of several people who are also using Schaps ROMS and experience no such issue.

did you noticed the WM6.1 build number of 4.40 rom by schaps ? is by far the highest ....
Not behind ... just the opposite

Schaps 4.40 - BETA!
Did you noticed, that Schaps 4.40 is not stable BETA version? There are newer and better WM6.1 ROMs. Pays and ShadoW are very good.

I've also been looking for something...waiting for Schaps really. So, should I go Pays?

Faria / Dr Puttingham WM6.1 Collaboration rom
Haven't tried K's or Pays wm6.1 roms but i have to say the Faria/Dr Puttingham collaboration has been my favourite so far.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=368317
Currently waiting for their latest release which should be out in a couple of days.

I am waiting for a good Schaps 6.1 ROM as well, but I need something new. I might install 4.3x just to get some touchflo going. I am still on 4.0.

what's the advantage of using wm6.1 over wm6?

Confused about all the different roms

Ok, so help me out and all the other people who are in the same situation as i am.
There are so many different roms that i dont know which one is the one to use.
All i (we?) want is one that is fast, very fast
With some extra memory available.
And is stable.
At the moment i see some official roms
the Elite 2.0
Surface
TLR Diamond ROM 2
(and more?)
What is the one to go with?????
Share your opinion if you tryd 2 or more of them.
And what should we be looking for when picking one.
Thank you in advanced!

The Bepe beta rom is the fastest rom I have ever seen on Diamond.
You should give it a try

i am using the latest official dutch one from htc. it is really fast, you can even increase the speed a little more with the tweaks. and offcourse it is in dutch

Each of the ROMs is built upon a philosophy, and the best way to figure out which one is best for you is trying them. Personally, I've chosen for the TLR2 Rom, because I like that it keeps things as if they were stock, and the autoupdater in it is a gold idea.

sandervanzijl said:
i am using the latest official dutch one from htc. it is really fast, you can even increase the speed a little more with the tweaks. and offcourse it is in dutch
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Here number two.
Absolutedly advicable.
Phone is well, what I expect from it now. 100% usable
TLR was ok, but version two was not a succes. Bit sluggish now and then, hangs a bit, got screwed up
(I installed .Net on dutch rom afterwards, version 3.5. Its even better then!)

windows mobile 6.0 vs 6.1 - based upon vanilla roms

@all,
havin been away from this forum for quite some time i am back in business.... and hunting to find speed in my roms (not neglecting finesse and stability though)!
so i dug up all off (marks) roms from the depth of my computer again....and am one hell of surprised about the speed of vanilla 2.01 (wm6.0) .
so, what are the real benefits of wm6.1 ???
greetz

ive not noticed any significant difference, hell, if you did a door step challenge on me between the two id be guessing

thormdac said:
@all,
havin been away from this forum for quite some time i am back in business.... and hunting to find speed in my roms (not neglecting finesse and stability though)!
so i dug up all off (marks) roms from the depth of my computer again....and am one hell of surprised about the speed of vanilla 2.01 (wm6.0) .
so, what are the real benefits of wm6.1 ???
greetz
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The only thing is the threaded SMS which is really nice and PIE has a zoom feature. I put it on my wifes MDA and she loves the SMS. But I think it's like Windows Vista. It ain't really worth it to upgrade to it if you've got a stable system on XP. I'm sticking with 6.0 until my next device.
I'm still using Meschle's O2 Premium Plus. Fast, stable and just very capable. Man, he was a great chef!

Meschle's was by far the best. Every other rom is FULL of other stuff that the developer likes but really slows the device down. Running task manager you can see the processor usage for these other apps and it makes the device sluggish.
Ive listend to the arguments and feel teh cube on the 3300 is wayyyyy toooooo sllllooooowwww to use. Its not even any good to show off to your mates its that bad.
Meschle's 6.1 Vanilla 4.02 is my fav. Nice, fast and ultra stable. No reset in 3 months

dannyoneill said:
Meschle's was by far the best. Every other rom is FULL of other stuff that the developer likes but really slows the device down. Running task manager you can see the processor usage for these other apps and it makes the device sluggish.
Ive listend to the arguments and feel teh cube on the 3300 is wayyyyy toooooo sllllooooowwww to use. Its not even any good to show off to your mates its that bad.
Meschle's 6.1 Vanilla 4.02 is my fav. Nice, fast and ultra stable. No reset in 3 months
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Yea, that's why I always opt'd for the versions without the cube. Useless anyway. What a joke. And Meschle had a great approach to building his ROMS. Stabilty, speed, & functionality seemed to be the order of priority and I really appreciated that.
As a matter of fact, I just did a hard reset and set my phone up all over again without all the custom phone dialers, themes, weather icons, and today screen changes. The regular ROM dosen't look all that great but it's so fast now. It's amazing how much all those extra cosmetic programs can zap your speed and how much the junk is left from programs that didn't really get uninstalled when you uninstalled them. My phone's always been pretty stable but now it's faster and stable.

[rom] Need faster

hello, need fastest rom for Hermes because I installed a lot longer roms but they are terribly slow and delay the work phone. Sorry for my English.
Now i using DarkVision 4

DV 4.0 is really fast IMHO, maybe try DV5 (its still beta, but stable)

i suggest u to use Mrdsl's rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=543842
wm 6.5 with manilla..

Problem isn't the ROMs, Its the hardware... Hermes was a brilliant piece of hardware in its time but, and I'm sorry to say this, its almost hit the obsolete heap...
Too little ram is a MAJOR pain for this phone. Otherwise it would still hold its own with a fair number of the newer HTC's on the market.
Unfortunately its this that is causing a large number of chefs to move on to newer devices. I would give the Hermes about 12 - 18 months before there will be no more new ROMs.

12-18 month?? Great!
Until then, i can play and test again with your great 6.5-Roms, maybe 7.0 Roms. Or back to the good old 6.1 Rom with many, many UI-posibillities, for example rlToday, TodayPlus, and all that good fast stable stuff...

lynxxx said:
for example rlToday, TodayPlus, and all that good fast stable stuff...
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I strongly advice you to check HS++

utak3r said:
I strongly advice you to check HS++
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I'm on the way...
Little question have you compared it with spb mobile shell 3.0 in case of speed, memory and ergonomy (OK, the last is allways subjectively )?

lynxxx said:
I'm on the way...
Little question have you compared it with spb mobile shell 3.0 in case of speed, memory and ergonomy (OK, the last is allways subjectively )?
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you can't compare it - it strongly depends on the HS++ skin you choose.

thanks for this answer of my offtopic-question. I'm reading all day long in the developing subforum. There are several Theme-Threads of HS++, I'm afraid to say no one "Collecton-of-all-Theme-Links-Thread". But I found an interesting alternative to homescreen++: ThrottleLauncher. Yes, UI-search and customizing with hundreds of themes is very time-consuming...
I'm testing right now your ROM, interesting ROM, but sadly find some bugs (~10). Maybee tomorrow I'll write some of them into your thread.
bye.

I agree with Ultramag... i will keep some bucks to buy a nicer device but... i will wait till end of this year to have a nicer view about the sanpdragon processor and high ress and screen, 3.5 audiojack and so much RAM!!!

lynxxx said:
There are several Theme-Threads of HS++, I'm afraid to say no one "Collecton-of-all-Theme-Links-Thread".
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this is closest:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=350510

nowas89 said:
hello, need fastest rom for Hermes because I installed a lot longer roms but they are terribly slow and delay the work phone. Sorry for my English.
Now i using DarkVision 4
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as long as our cooks stick with wm 6.5 u wont see any "fast" roms in the future
our hermes hardware is limited now...6.5 isnt the OS thats made for it. i still prefer 6.1 over 6.5, cuz they are better/faster/ more stable for daily use.

arty said:
as long as our cooks stick with wm 6.5 u wont see any "fast" roms in the future
our hermes hardware is limited now...6.5 isnt the OS thats made for it. i still prefer 6.1 over 6.5, cuz they are better/faster/ more stable for daily use.
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I'd say 6.5 was faster

MystaMagoo said:
I'd say 6.5 was faster
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well maybe for your use, but not mine
i need a stable one not just an eye candy, full of features noone needs

Any chance of swaping the RAM module of HTC TyTN/Hermes?
Don't want to buy another one now

arty said:
i need a stable one not just an eye candy, full of features noone needs
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Did you even try it? It's really faster and very stable. Don't just repeat what some are talking around - try it for yourself.
Quide said:
Any chance of swaping the RAM module of HTC TyTN/Hermes?
Don't want to buy another one now
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No - RAM is built-in into the whole Hermes' SoC - so it's not possible.

utak3r said:
Did you even try it? It's really faster and very stable. Don't just repeat what some are talking around - try it for yourself.
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yeah i tried a lot, thats why i have this opinion
even your dark vision one. it looks fine...like all the others but its not usable for "me". too laggy after some use (internet, telephon, calender, etc...) and i dont want to softreset my phone everyt time i used a prog or two. i did the same things as on 6.1 and it behaves more weird, so i always went back to 6.1 after a 6.5 flash.
maybe im too fuzzy.
but hey, thats my opinion, my experience with that, tho.

arty said:
but hey, thats my opinion, my experience with that, tho.
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sure, no offence.
But they... have you tried Hibernate option? Or my "Kill'em all" script? I'm softresetting my device really rarely - and I'm using it quite heavily....
But if you want 6.1 - I have uploaded once a full kitchen for this - and it produces really fast ROMs

utak3r said:
sure, no offence.
But if you want 6.1 - I have uploaded once a full kitchen for this - and it produces really fast ROMs
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Where's your 6.1 Kitchen?

MystaMagoo said:
Where's your 6.1 Kitchen?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=531135