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whats your idea of a perfect rom? whats it got to have on it? or is there already a perfect rom already? my idea of a perfect rom, basically has a great battery life, can run many games perfectly and has opera mini and doesnt suffer from hard resets.....
Well each use their phone differently. Personally what's on my signature is spot on. I have no issues as I run skyfire browser. Pushes email with exchange 2k7 I don't play games on my phone as it is purely a business device.
A light ROM that has a device update type program to add whatever you want. I would love to say something with M2D or something along those lines but I dont really like any of the options so far. I would rather have it clean and simple and be able to build from there.
Phone function should be fast
I have noticed few other devices of Windows Mobile 6.1, they don't have any problem with the dialer and phone system. Its fast and responsive but here in Hermes it seems its not focused. I am using Faria's Last rom and working fine but yes the phone function is same as before. I have video caller installed and wanted to stay with it otherwise what is the use of 3G network and video phone I have.
ok lets see...
Many problems arent rom issues like Hardresets sooo lets center on my point...
1.- Conections are the future... share is the pulse of new hybrid devices so...
R---- It cant has Bluetooth issues i would like to send from beam a file via BT or pair a stereo headphones without troubles, has BT folder FTP. IRDA fully functional i mean Push via beam and receive too... many issues with this becomes (cause its obsolet). Wm5torage without problems. Wifi without issues for WPA or WEP... Mmmm no issues on comm manager. UMTS HSDPA i dont have problems with this.
2.- Speed is the best way to feel power!... even if they outside are Devices with 200hmz are faster!
R----So I know the speed becomes with new builds even more and more... but it can be performed so much more with some tricks... and the Ram... needs to be intact... i mean no Apps running hide.
3.- The love comes from the Eyes... NEW UI please.
R---- The Icons needs to be atractive... leave the default apps by HTC work good (ok ok with their fixes like HTC home, WMP, etc etc) but with some skins. the phone with opal canvas is really nice. The bars and wall paper dont matters are cuztomizable... the start Icon needs to be a new one not the orb of new builds the BW or the Normal ORB... maybe a newone or Vista likely.
(M2D... maybe but i think it becomes great of flavors ROM one light... A full and a M2D... maybe One with the sidebar by Omnia)
4.- Performance... I hate Soft reset every 2 hours hahahaha
R----The OEM package doesnt matter... maybe the 20207 was the most stable... I dislike everytime make softresets... so i reed somewhere even the newer is not the worth!!! And please fix the PIE cause Skyfire experiments much troubles today they shuts off the sound
5.- Real BIg Storage PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we need storage cause many apps works much better on device memory.
6.- Office works fully many version dont works well... are the most worth it cause bussiness. and all the shortcuts please--- new sounds too.
I'm on a Topaz and still waiting for our official WM6.5 ROM to be released (26th October is the date) and I wonder how fast and smooth the ROM is for you guys? I find all the custom ROMS for Topaz to be sluggish even tho the RAM usage is the same as WM6.1 (40-50%). So tell me guys
anybody have the theme from the 6.5 rom? im tired of the ugly microsoft one on my phone. i figure ill check out htcs 6.5 theme.
Coming from a person that likes "screen candy", but prefers performance - I am disappointed with 6.5 on my stock TP2 - Its not a complete failure, but to me you can tell its a vista type upgrade which the phone can't really handle.. its not as quick as 6.1 simply because its spending all its time dealing with the candy.
ArtieQ said:
I'm on a Topaz and still waiting for our official WM6.5 ROM to be released (26th October is the date) and I wonder how fast and smooth the ROM is for you guys? I find all the custom ROMS for Topaz to be sluggish even tho the RAM usage is the same as WM6.1 (40-50%). So tell me guys
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Window dressing
IMHO the upgrade is little more than Window(s)dressing.
a smear of screen candy added to WM 6.1.
They ought to have named it WM6.1.0.1. Yes i know. It´s their product and their right to "name their baby" but DAMN!!
Don´t get me wrong. I am not thinking of jumping ship and i upgraded as well.
I just can´t help i feeling like i bought a new screwdriver because the old one didn´t have a handle in "this years colours"
On top of that i seem to have received some stability issues together with the "upgrade". Haven´t nailed the problem yet and maybe it´s a user error, but at the very least i think it´s safe to state that stability in my experience haven´t improved one bit.
Regards
ELO
So how fluid is the startmenu for you guys? I remember it was very laggy on every custom ROM I've tried.
The whole phone could be described as laggy now, not a deal breaker - just a disappointment when your actually trying to use it and menus take a little longer to display etc...
Not only did the phone get slow and laggy with the new 6.5 update, there is also several bugs.
For instance when I turned off the phone with wifi enabled, then when I turned the phone back on, the wifi did not work or show in the notification area, but when I went in to Comm Manager the wifi appeared to be enabled. So I had to disable and then again enable the wifi to use it again.
I have tried to install/flash it a couple of times with the same result, but now I went back to 6.1 and is happy with my TP2 again.
I do not know what HTC thought of when they released this buggy and slow 6.5 update.
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For instance when I turned off the phone with wifi enabled, then when I turned the phone back on, the wifi did not work or show in the notification area, but when I went in to Comm Manager the wifi appeared to be enabled. So I had to disable and then again enable the wifi to use it again.
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This problem is bothering me.. I can't belive HTC do not test its update!
sounds to me that TP2 owners should stay away from the upgrade to 6.5, not only because of the aferementioned problems, but also because a lot of owners are not happy with the (coloured) icons in the revised TF3D.
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This problem is bothering me.. I can't belive HTC do not test its update!
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I think it is a nice "feature". If you start a program that needs network it automatically turn on WiFi if it was enabled before it was turned off. You do not need to turn off and on again in Comm Mangager.
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I think it is a nice "feature". If you start a program that needs network it automatically turn on WiFi if it was enabled before it was turned off. You do not need to turn off and on again in Comm Mangager.
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Same here, I prefer the implementation now, you can leave WI FI on and it will only connect when you need it, not whenever it is range of a router.
Tom
skjelnes said:
I think it is a nice "feature". If you start a program that needs network it automatically turn on WiFi if it was enabled before it was turned off. You do not need to turn off and on again in Comm Mangager.
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Oh.. It is TRUE!!! WOW!!! I did not understand this feature! It's wonderful! Thank you!
skjelnes said:
I think it is a nice "feature". If you start a program that needs network it automatically turn on WiFi if it was enabled before it was turned off. You do not need to turn off and on again in Comm Mangager.
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That's not what happened on my device. I did try to open Opera after I turned on the phone (when wifi appeared to be disabled in the notification area) but it started connecting to 3G instead of wifi, eventhough wifi actually appeared to be enabled in Comm Manager.
My experiences with the official 6.5 ROM
I have been a WM-user for many years and now my way around the system.
With this ROM I have been through several reflashes and "install-test-restart-install-test-restart-reinstallations" on my unbranded Danish TP2/Rhodium.
+ Nice new IE
+ Nice HTC Sense UI
+ WM 6.5 is a fresh breeze: It is more finger friendly and more colour full than before)
- HTC Sense UI constantly lags
- Bug in "Detailed Power Details" Seems to reset itself so it is hard to keep a statistic of daily usage. Go to-> Settings->System->Power Options
- Spontaneous shutdowns -> Had three in one day, without even using the phone!? Had to remove cover and battery.
- Lag in TomTom got worse than in WM 6.1 (might be TomTom or HTCs fault).
- The keyboard icon on the soft button panel often disappaers and I have to restart the phone to get it back.
- Uses more memory. Idle usage is mostly between 75-80% and often even higher. This makes it difficult to really multitask with several open applications.
- Start menu seems sluggish and not smooth scrolling.
- Delayed sound notifications on text messages
- Multitasking is slooow
In general WM 6.5 seems slow and "laggy" compared to the "old" 6.1.
Yes, it's a "new" OS, but so much worse than 6.1? I don't get it....
HTC (and MS?), IMHO this is a bummer....I am for sure on my way back to 6.1
/The Chozen
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I have been a WM-user for many years and now my way around the system.
With this ROM I have been through several reflashes and "install-test-restart-install-test-restart-reinstallations" on my unbranded Danish TP2/Rhodium.
+ Nice new IE
+ Nice HTC Sense UI
+ WM 6.5 is a fresh breeze: It is more finger friendly and more colour full than before)
- HTC Sense UI constantly lags
- Bug in "Detailed Power Details" Seems to reset itself so it is hard to keep a statistic of daily usage. Go to-> Settings->System->Power Options
- Spontaneous shutdowns -> Had three in one day, without even using the phone!? Had to remove cover and battery.
- Lag in TomTom got worse than in WM 6.1 (might be TomTom or HTCs fault).
- The keyboard icon on the soft button panel often disappaers and I have to restart the phone to get it back.
- Uses more memory. Idle usage is mostly between 75-80% and often even higher. This makes it difficult to really multitask with several open applications.
- Start menu seems sluggish and not smooth scrolling.
- Delayed sound notifications on text messages
- Multitasking is slooow
In general WM 6.5 seems slow and "laggy" compared to the "old" 6.1.
Yes, it's a "new" OS, but so much worse than 6.1? I don't get it....
HTC (and MS?), IMHO this is a bummer....I am for sure on my way back to 6.1
/The Chozen
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Thanks for the long review dude, I will not upgrade to WM6.5 when they release the update for TD2, WM6.1+SPB Mobile Shell 3.5 is good enough for me at the moment.
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I'm on a Topaz and still waiting for our official WM6.5 ROM to be released (26th October is the date) and I wonder how fast and smooth the ROM is for you guys?
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Neither of the words "fast" or "smooth" are appropriate for the official WM6.5 ROM on the TP2. "Slow", "sluggish" and "laggy" are more the sort of words I found myself using.
After 2 days of using 6.5, by the end of which I was ready to give up on the HTC and buy an iPhone, I went back to the official 6.1 ROM.
There isn't that much extra graphic flashiness in 6.5 - certainly not enough to justify the seriously adverse effect it has on responsiveness of the user interface. I'm wondering if this is a deliberate ploy by HTC to persuade TP2 owners who want 6.5 to upgrade to a new device...
wm 6.5 has problems but the problem about memory is just the HTC Sense item, HTC Manila in 6.1 was faster due to graphics... i think we do not need such quality in graphics (because that made the HTC Sense slowerr) i closed HTC Sense and added other today items and works much better than 6.1!! HTC is trying to get better today screen than the other WM phones, this makes it much better but slower . but, i think HTC and iphone have much differences. Whatever for me; Windows Mobile and HTC are the best!!
I flashed probably the best cooked WM6.5 ROM for Topaz and I saw no difference with HTC Sense on/off, it was same sluggishness with both.
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wm 6.5 has problems but the problem about memory is just the HTC Sense item, HTC Manila in 6.1 was faster due to graphics... i think we do not need such quality in graphics (because that made the HTC Sense slowerr) i closed HTC Sense and added other today items and works much better than 6.1!! HTC is trying to get better today screen than the other WM phones, this makes it much better but slower . but, i think HTC and iphone have much differences. Whatever for me; Windows Mobile and HTC are the best!!
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On both WM6.1 and WM6.5, I hack the registry to turn off as much of the HTC customisation as possible, and HTC Sense is the first thing to go. Even with all the HTC additions switched off, WM6.5 itself uses 50% of the program memory - WM6.1 used less than 40%. The sluggishness is still there with the default Windows today screen and start menu on 6.5. It may well be worse with HTC Sense enabled, but disabling it does not make 6.5 on the TP2 anywhere near as fast and responsive as 6.1.
My positive experience with the official 6.5 ROM
i thought i had better post as i am obviously lucky, as my TP2 (UK unbranded) is working so much quicker in the 6.5 rom. slider is much quicker to respond with no lag, and the "grid" menu of programs is instamt on key press. I was impressed when first using. I used for a week and then installed Pocket Shield, expecting it to take a performance hit. But no, it is still working quicker than before. I then started to add a few programs, and as has been posted the memory usage does go to 80% from time to time, but I still have a quick device. what have i got that is different?
I will now start tweaking to give other improvements.
I had to post to give a balanced view.
So here's my dilemma.
TF3D is a memory hog. When I am on the go and say have Bing navigation open and receive a phone call sometimes (not very often to be fair) it quits Bing to free up RAM. Once after it happened to me while on the road I got fed up and installed SPB MobileShell. The amount of available RAM jumped from 60 MB at startup to over 80MB and it stays higher even as the RAM slowly leaks during the day. (Yes I am using various RAM freeing progs but they can only go so far). However, even though SPB MS uses less memory, it feels more sluggish than TF3D, especially while responding to touch but also sometimes when drawing the icons.
Now, I don't run stock MS - it's fugly - I installed Mobile Sense. I also modded TF3D by using Co0kie's Home Tab. So may be the stock MS would perform better.
Yesterday I played with my friend's iPod and the touch responsivness and overall speed of the interface felt leaps and bounds above what I got on my device. By then I've been running MS for a couple of months. So I switched back to TF3D and it's noticeably faster and more responsive - still not as great as the iPod but close.
So, what can I do to free up more RAM ? I don't want to run a custom ROM, not just yet - I've been using WM PDA's for ever and have enough experience with custom ROMs to realize that if it ain't broke you don't fix it unless you just like tinkering with things. As far as I see the stock ROM performs well - everything works the way it should. I no longer have time to spend on chasing my tail fixing issues. (Now I would love to do that I just don't have time).
I also don't like cleanup CABs. Been there, done that and a few HRs to fix the mess they leave behind.
I like to know what I am doing, why I am doing it, and what to expect.
Any suggestion is much appreciated !
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So here's my dilemma.
Yesterday I played with my friend's iPod and the touch responsivness and overall speed of the interface felt leaps and bounds above what I got on my device. By then I've been running MS for a couple of months. So I switched back to TF3D and it's noticeably faster and more responsive - still not as great as the iPod but close.
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That's because the iPod is an MP3 player, not a smartphone.
If you mean the iPhone, than the reason that is smoother is that it manages program memory in a different way by not allowing multi-tasking (even the iOS4 is not true multi-tasking, the apps have to be coded especially for it).
Have you turned off push internet? This it probably the single, easiest way to free up the most program memory, and may save you up to 9mb. Manually cleaning up the Startup folder in Windows of non-essential items may also help.
Flashing a custom ROM is the best way to increase performance of the HTC interface. You say "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" But you will find that the right custom ROM is vastly smoother, faster, more stable and fixes lots of other things also. The stock ROMs are much more broken than you think. Also, Sense has replaced TF3D. Still a memory hog, but looks great, and adds lots of great functionality.
Yes, it was the iPhone. My bad. And I know of Apple's functionality limitations - for any future upgrade it's dead last on my list. But still, it's very snappy.
I have the Push Internet turned off - it may be done automatically by Co0kie mod, as I don't recall changing this setting.
I looked at the number of custom ROMs and I see much great work but also lots of posts about trying different radio versions, having problems with GPS / Sprint Nav / Sprint TV / device emitting low-pitched farting noise (just kidding)... in other words, just like in my Axim days, any custom ROM is a trade-off. Unless there's a ROM that's known to have no issues, which I was unable to find (not that I searched hard), I'd rather stick with stock one.
I can't speak for Sprint, as I'm on ATT. I don't really keep up with the CDMA custom ROMs, but on GSM Rhodiums, you can keep the same radio for as long as you want, regardless of how many times you flash custom ROMs.
I've been using Energy since May, and found it fixes so many things in the stock ROM. Some people seemed to have a couple significant bugs (speaker phone not working, and a couple other things) several months ago. But I never experienced those, and those bugs seemed to be completely fixed in later releases. My stock ROM had issues connecting to the HTC weather and stocks (only connected over WiFi), totally fixed by Energy ROM. Video playback on Coreplayer and TCPMP is much smoother. The clock flip glitch on TF3D/Sense is gone. And other annoying aspects are also fixed: battery meter which reads in percent increments, not 10% increments, and displayed in the taskbar. Backgrounds work in every tab. Lots of other stuff I can't think of right now.
There are definitely tradeoffs to custom ROMs when the phones are newer, when the cooks are just getting started, and the custom ROMs are still under heavy development. But many of the Rhodium ROMs (especially the ones released by the most reputable cooks) have reached the maturity level, where there are very few if any bugs. For instance, Energy mostly just keeps tweaking to further improve speed, or to just fix very minor cosmetic things.
There is a downside, in that if you don't have time to tweak your phone, then flashing a ROM may be too much for you right now (getting everything back the way you like it configured). And not everyone believes that flashing a custom ROM is a overall net improvement. But I think the majority will say that it is.
There a couple of other things:
The push internet thing is not really turned off by turning it off (if you know what I mean!) since it stops it donwloading/updatng pages, but keeps Opera in memory ready to be opened quickly - search for NoPushInternet_v2 cab
This is also reported to free RAM: SSK TP2 Dynamic Resource Proxy
EDIT: also try searching for: xredjokerx jsmith8858's memory leak mod
I found that Opera 9.7 would quit if more than 1 tab or I had a call/SMS etc - Opera 10 seems not to and takes up less RAM as well as being faster (although zoom bar doesn't work).
I have also read that the standard 6.5 start menu takes up a fair bit of RAM (for what it is) and that there are replacements that use less, but I haven't tried yet.
Also, as well as the RAM issue, you can try overclocking the processor (there are 2 relatively stable ones now specifically for TP2) - I use OCT (at 729MHz) and it helps with Co0kie's Home Tab's animations (CHT does also take up a load of RAM as well I find, but I put up with that), opening apps etc.
However, I am thinking about trying a custom ROM...
try changing the pageppool or trying this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=711914 - this should give you like 10-20mb free
You may want to read up on changing the pagepool before you do it. Note that it can only be changed before a flash. This can give you an added 10 to 15 mb. Or you could just always disable TF3D when you need to that should give you up to 40mb free depending on your set up.
This is what I have found from testing and analysis:
Shells
- TF3D adds about 20 MB ram. (Don't use it)
- SPB Mobile Suite adds about 10 MB ram. (Don't use it)
- SPB Pocket Plus adds very little. Best for stability.
Browsers
- Internet Explorer has much memory leak. (Don't use it)
- Opera 9.5 has some memory leak. (Don't use it)
- Opera 10.0 has no memory leak. Best for viewability.
- Opera 5.0 (Java) has no memory leak. Best for speed.
Others
- Messages gradually has memory leak.
- Contacts and calendar dont leak.
- SPB (News, Time, Weather) dont leak.
- Audible, Win Media Player, SPB Radio dont leak.
Office
- Pocket Word, Excel dont leak.
- MADE editor dont leak.
CONCLUSIONS:
I have the following STARTUPS:
- SPB Pocket Plus
- SPB Wireless Monitor
- SPB Phone Suite
- RESCO Today (Shows Free RAM - good for monitoring)
The above is very stable, doesn't leak, and leaves me with 86 MB of free ram on reboot.
I reboot once the free ram drops to about 60 MB; below that the multi-tasking switches become too slow. I will reboot immediately after any of the aforementioned heavy memory leak programs.
Overall, with the above, I need only reboot once every three days - as done voluntarily. The device does NOT hang, by limiting myself to the above.
Okay, I did a good search and can't find a simple, straight answer for this so I figured I would ask.
What is the best way to speed up my verizon touch pro 2 running WM 6.5. It lags when I try to text and even just going through menus, I don't want to add anything crazy, just something that will make everything run quicker if that is possible. If anyone can help me out here, I would much appreciate it!
I think its several ways to optimize your device speed.
Try to choose new custom fast firmware.
Try to minimize RAM load-look at running apps.
Try overclocking tools.
Try registry hacks.
Try to shout at device "FASTER FASTER"
lol the best advice was "faster faster"
Disable TF3d, or even better, use a 6.1 rom and disable Touchflo.
Okay, thanks for the tips. I will definately trying yelling FASTER at it but if that doesn't work I will try the others
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Okay, I did a good search and can't find a simple, straight answer for this so I figured I would ask.
What is the best way to speed up my verizon touch pro 2 running WM 6.5. It lags when I try to text and even just going through menus, I don't want to add anything crazy, just something that will make everything run quicker if that is possible. If anyone can help me out here, I would much appreciate it!
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Take A Look At This Thread I Think It Will Solve Your Problems --> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=887469
That works really well. Thanks Doo Doo
It really shouldn't lag all that bad, unless you have hundreds of messages that need to load.
I personally wouldn't overclock the CPU until I have tried all other options. It's got to have an impact on battery and stability. I've overclocked my devices in the past and most of time it was more trouble than I was willing to live with.
Did you try to HR ? Most time a severe system lag is a sign of screwed up registry. Another issue is available memory.
You can free up lots of RAM by disabling the default Start menu and replacing it with something smaller and faster. I use QuickMenu and WKTask combo.
Finally, switching from Sense to Titanium speeds things up another bit, and Titanium is surprisingly useful when you install a few "missing" plugins (Application launcher (CLauncher), Favorite People, Titanium Weather, Stock tickler plugin).
I cant complain TOO much, seeing how my work pays for the service...but these TP2 with WM 6.5 are sooooo buggy and sluggish and doggy.....i ran out of other words for slow.....
We got them because they run a program that we use @ work....even the program sucks on this phone.
From all ive read..the only good thing about these phones...are the fact that you can make them look and feel like other phones that suck less....(android)
so......
short of a hard reset....how the hell do you make these phones "fast"
it seems like I spend most of my time waiting for the phone to react to the task that I just asked it to do.
I clear ram, I delete SMS/MMS.....nothin.
I wanna spike it like a football and poop on It's carcass
6.1 Titanium. It's fast, ugly, and not functional at all. Basically WinMo slightly sped up.
It's an older phone, pretty good for its day but fairly underpowered compared to today's phones.
That being said, it is absolutely packed full of features, which is why I love it.
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6.1 Titanium. It's fast, ugly, and not functional at all. Basically WinMo slightly sped up.
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say what? Actually comparing titanium to SPB mobile shell, I have to say the latter is faster, at least compared to energy rom titanium 6.1.
As for the functionality I find it better because you can get twice as much done while the stupid sense interface is busy loading/freezing up.
I'm not happy with the speed of the phone, even running slimmed down roms its still slow and will never open anything instantly. But as has been mentioned, the functionality is 2nd to none. I honestly think for a 'business' phone, i.e. replacing a laptop, windows mobile is the best OS by far. And the slide out keyboard is almost mandatory to make it work properly
Things such as mapping fn+c = ctrl+c/copy. fn+z = ctrl+z/undo, shift+SMS = escape key. fn+up/down/left/right = pgup/pgdown/home/end. These are not possible with an onscreen touch pad, nor do I believe they are natively supported in android or ios. If you ever want to essentially use a desktop in the field then it's fantastic having native support for just about every windows' basic function straight out of the box. Even if you have to custom map keys at least you don't need to write software to perform those functions.
I've tried using things such as remote desktop connections on android phones and I lack the ability to do certain things on the fly, such as if I want to move a file, I have to use the crappy right click shortcut (usually 2 finger tap or something like that) and do it that way. Whereas because this is a windows environment I simply hit fn+x / fn+v. Syncing files, reading files and handling the file system is up to 'me', not up to the hopeless proprietary software i.e. itunes/apple