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Hi all,
Is there a way to disable or remove the radio (phone) software. (not switching to flight-mode, or there must be a way to keep it in flight-mode, so i can switch it on/off with a password or something)
My goal is that the Qtec2020 doesn't have any phone capabilities. is there a way?
or
Is there a way to completly disable GPRS / Data??
thx in advance
why get a gsm pda then ?
to disable grps you can just remove all the settings for it
when i exit flight mode i have to type in my sim card pin code just like when i softreset my device guess that depend on the sim and network
here everybody have it to make it impossible to use if people steal it
ok why buy a gsm pda
well we at our company sell software, and the customer will rent the qtec 2020, we don't want our customers to use them as phones.
that's the only reason why i want to disable radio/phone..
we have more that 30 on stock and we don't want to buy new ones
hope that someone can help me.
btw.
hopefully a solution in which we are able to restore everything to it's state in which the phone can be used again. in case our application is going to use gprs/data
you could also put a prepaied sim card in it without any money on
of cause they would still be able to put in their own sim then
otherwise you need a program which keep all phone activity from happening this dont really sound like a program which are out there because of lack of demand maybe you could get somebody to make it
but the program would have to be put in the extented rom to be sure it would still be there if the user hardresets the device
and then you cant really stop a person who knows how to edit the extented rom from removing the program
that is unless you would be willing to open and remove the gsm part of the device
but removing the gprs settings would require the user to know how to set them up again and which settings to put there
and judging from how many people ask about such things here the normal user would not know how to do that
Delete all links to Cprog.exe (Phone Dialer)
then I believe there is a Reg Key that will remove
Turn ON-OFF Flight mode..
You will also need to unmap Green Phone Button.
That's all i can help you!
can't find a reg key
is there no such thing as a dummie radio-stack???
upgrading the PDA with a dummie radio-stack??, or leave the radio-stack out of the upgrade process?? (enough pda's without gsm phone :wink: )
just thoughts!!
thx in advance
upgrading the PDA with a dummie radio-stack??, or leave the radio-stack out of the upgrade process?? (enough pda's without gsm phone
Well yes you could kill the radio stack by forcing error on upgrade I suppose.
hey guyz..
the scene is set, dont want to tell anyone where it happened by whom and ofcourse who got robbed but here's the story.
User had an o2 Xda II, customized rom, with IIWPO Theft Control installed in the rom, so that means hard reset wont wipe IIWPO out of the pda.
Robber comes puts a knife on the user's throat takes away cash and the pda, user gives it happily thinking she will get a msg on the other number with all the info of sim changed.
4 days pass by no info come's and the pda is sold or forwarded to someone else or whatever. END OF STORY.
now how did the user not get a msg of the new sim info.
1. SIM WAS NOT CHANGED.
2.SIM CHANGED BUT NO CREDIT IN NEW SIM.
3.BATTERY TAKEN OUT PDA TOTALLY DEAD TILL NEW CUSTOMER GETS IT. ETC ETC.
WHAT CAN BE DONE.
ok guyz this is the part where i would like allll the geeks & gurus to put in some effort, i know it will be tough but i have a feeling its not impossible.
CAN UR,LL UPDATE IIWPO IN SUCH A WAY THAT WHEN WE ARE FEEDING OUR NAME AND OTHER INFO IT WILL ALSO ASK FOR A SECURITY PASS TO BE PUT IN, SO THAT WHEN ROBBER CHANGES SIM THE IIWPO RECOGNIZES THE SIM CHANGE AND LOCK'S THE PDA AND ASKS FOR THE PASS, AND WONT UNLOCK TILL PASS PROVIDED, REBOOT WONT HELP.
Now ofcourse the robber can be anyone, so the robber plans to hard reset and still the device would recognize the sim change and ask for pass now so annoyed he plans to flash the device and what happens after that all of us know.
To prevent this THE GEEKS & GURUS can just build a small security patch that can wont allow flashing of device till pass given, it would work like this, we flash our device for the first time install IIWPO and the NEW SECURITY PATCH (with passwords) device is robbed, robber changes the sim gets pass error he gets pissed and tries to flash the device and that clever software would not flash the device till pass provided, this would prove that all the efforts the robber made to steal the device are gone to waste.
And ofcourse someday someone might put in a sim with credit and we would get the info.
NOT FORGETTING CHARLES WARNER FOR THE GREAT WORK HE'S PUT IN FOR ALL xda-developers.com USERS and also giving the IIWPO to us for free, REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR WORK SIR !! THANKS ALOT.
no one interested in being secured ?
I think the IIWPO idea can definitely be improved, BUT: It will never protect you from being robbed.
The true advantage of IIWPO in its currect form is to be able to get track of the 'new' owner of a nicked device. In the end: someone will put in his/her sim and then its just bing!
All other enhancements will just make sure noone else gets to use the device. Sure an improvement, but less important to me: I just want my device back and get the thief nailed!
Interesting...
But I think you have misunderstood how IIWPO works.
IIWPO does not detect if someone changes the SIM card. It ONLY acts when the someone changes the Owner Information (Start/Settings/Owner Information), so no matter what SIM card there is, as long as it has credit it will send an SMS to the recipient's phone number. That's the beauty of it, that it silently sends the SMS with the 'new' users data so there is a slight chance of knowing who's the 'new' owner.
But! This is by no means fool proof. It's what they call 'protection by obscurity', so if a savvy robber knows how to reflash the device it will get away with it no matter what features we can integrate to IIWPO.
That's one of the cool new features of WM5.0, that we can at least know for sure that our data is SAFE by wiping the info remotely if necessary.
Just a thought.
Rayan
edsub said:
The true advantage of IIWPO in its currect form is to be able to get track of the 'new' owner of a nicked device.I just want my device back and get the thief nailed!
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Rayan said:
so if a savvy robber knows how to reflash the device it will get away with it no matter what features we can integrate to IIWPO
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ofcourse this is why we all love IIWPO cause it sends use a msg, and ofcourse even if someone was to modify IIWPO iam sure that this feature would'nt wipe out.god forbid you get robbed u get a msg frm the cell but you for some reason cant track the person or some other c#@p...and the pda is gone....WHY caz it only sends sms it does not block the screen....if you were to have a feature which would jam or freeze the pda on change of the name then the pda would be useless to the robber nothing much he could do....unless he knows how to flash it...now comes a part where we can do something about not flashin the device with out a pass....this would totally make the pda useless to the robber and would also keep sendin us msgs and secondly the robber maybe maybe next time might think twice before robbing a pda and might go for something else
How about a device that would be installed internally to the xda and if it is stolen and a different sim/different user info is entered and the person makes a call it fires a large captive bolt which nails the phone to the head of the user, it then adjusts itself to full volume with all lights flashing and announcing "This is a stolen phone...call an ambulance...or hearse".,
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How about a device that would be installed internally to the xda and if it is stolen and a different sim/different user info is entered and the person makes a call it fires a large captive bolt which nails the phone to the head of the user, it then adjusts itself to full volume with all lights flashing and announcing "This is a stolen phone...call an ambulance...or hearse".,
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tht would be great..... are u goood enough to build something like tht ?
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But I think you have misunderstood how IIWPO works.
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I perfectly understands the IIWPO functionality. It was me who put together IIWPO for other devices than Wallaby.
Let me explain how my earlier post should be interpreted: Sure it is triggered by the change of owner info, but most thieves (or buyer from a stolen device) will put in another SIM (simply because they dont have the pin of the stolen sim or because the stolen sim is blocked by the network). Thus: As soon as the 'new' owner puts in a SIM AND he/she has changed the owner info (and every one does that!) the sms is sent.
Also: Eventually a thief might flash a device, but ost certain a thief (or buyer) starts it up to test whether its working or not.
Imho IIWPO can be improved, but practically chances of getting a device back will not significantly improve
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Rayan said:
But I think you have misunderstood how IIWPO works.
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I perfectly understands the IIWPO functionality. It was me who put together IIWPO for other devices than Wallaby.
Let me explain how my earlier post should be interpreted: Sure it is triggered by the change of owner info, but most thieves (or buyer from a stolen device) will put in another SIM (simply because they dont have the pin of the stolen sim or because the stolen sim is blocked by the network). Thus: As soon as the 'new' owner puts in a SIM AND he/she has changed the owner info (and every one does that!) the sms is sent.
Also: Eventually a thief might flash a device, but ost certain a thief (or buyer) starts it up to test whether its working or not.
Imho IIWPO can be improved, but practically chances of getting a device back will not significantly improve
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Sorry edsub, I should have specified to whom I was refering to (zairyaab) when I wrote that comment.
Best regards,
Rayan
np m8
edsub said:
It was me who put together IIWPO for other devices than Wallaby.
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Can you explain what should I change in the cab to make it work on other devices (Like ETen M500/Torq P100)?
edsub said:
Imho IIWPO can be improved, but practically chances of getting a device back will not significantly improve.
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Yeah, but still I would feel somewhat better if I can at least call the thief/buyer and shout some expletives if he/she refuses to cooperate!!! :twisted: :lol:
Best regards,
Rayan
i have my girlfriend's number as my report number.. what if were together and we got robbed both our phones are taken away.. a multiple report number would be a good addition to IIWPO
The changes I'd like to see done to IIWPO include:
a) not using "IIWPO" or 'xda-developer' in the registry (user customisable registry key)
b) user customisable executable file name (IIWPO_startup is like a dead giveaway)
c) not storing owner name & number 'in the clear' (a simple XOR to hide it would be just as effective)
d) a hash of the entire owner info page (not just the last name) so unit will resend an SMS if any info changes
e) a new sms is resent after a preset time (eg: every 24/48/120 hours for example), regardless if owner info has changed or not.
I also like the idea of multiple number reporting.
a,b,c) Considering the concept of IIWPO is 'security by obscurity'; it will help if one could hide it more effectively. (no one is going to bother too much about bluetooth.exe or msn_update.exe in the startup folder for example...)
d) Most people get their name right; then meddle with the other bits of information as time goes on - it'd be good to get 'updated' info as and when it happens.
e) Consider it a 'keep alive' thing, so we'll know the unit is still in use, and can continue to keep in touch with the new owner =) I've no moral issues burning up the credit of someone who refuses to give me back my property either. =P
If nothing else, we'd be able to know when the unit gets reflashed, and can quiety say goodbye to our unit after not hearing from it for a while... =(
Is IIWPO still being maintained by the author, or anyone on xda-developers? If not, is the source available? I might be interested in following up on it (time permitting...)
Edited to add: A really vicious version of the IIWPO would possibly send out:
a) phone numbers stored in the SIM card
b) phone numbers stored in the addres book
c) recently dialed/received phone numbers
d) recently sent/received SMS phone numbers
Not all in one go; but in bits and pieces (eg: every 20 startups; send phone numbers of last 5 SMSs sent/received + last 5 phone calls dialed/received).
That would allow us get in touch with his friends and would possibly aid in getting the unit returned (use your imagination... probably easier to get them tell you who/where he is, rather than to get them convince him to return it...)
Probably this would add too much bloat to IIWPO; but hey, could be useful... =P
WOW, ok.
First of all - I registered 2 this forum less than a week ago,
and great job for doing these kind of things.
second - where can i d/l the prog?
and last another idea: when some1 steals ur pda he's usually gonna sell it over. meaning he made his money.
HOWEVER - if even after a HR after changing sims (maybe even without) there will be a picture message saying:
"You cannot use this phone"
"This phone can only be used by me - *name*"
"However, Im willing to buy this phone back from you. call +......"
there wont be a place on the screen to enter the code.
however - the phones' user knows he can type his password and unlock the phone. you might even integrate a handwriting recognition programm for signature or somthing but that will be super hard, i know.
another option is that when seeing this message user has to touch 4 corners of the screen with the stylus in a specific order, then he'll have a please enter password screen.
any comment?
is it do-able?
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=IIWPO
So, i have a question about an unlocked phone like the 8502.
I would like to buy an 8502 but would like to be able to cook roms. Does anybody have any resources for people doing dev work for the 8502?
I have this device, but baed on the relatively few post on xda it doesn't seem to be very popular and there doesn't seem to be a critical mass to get a rom cooker. shame cos this could be a great device if it had a better rom. its not as stable a device as my other machine: samsung i780 but I keep coming back to it because it is the highest specified front keyboard device out there - better than the i780 and the Kaiser (had one of those for 6 months). I may have a go at extracting the rom and creating 6.1 if there is sufficient interest (and if I can figure it all out!).
i just got this to because of the full qwerty keyboard! coming from tilt II this is a great phone! only thing is my microSD card (6GB) is not working
Anything to free up a bit more RAM please......
The support from imate is pretty ordinary to say the least. I have the Aus Telstra version and without any other software installed it is using about 65mb of RAM. I have installed MemMaid as a trial to recover some but with not much luck.
anyone found an SDHC patch that doesnt mess the phone up? I have had stability issues ever since I had this device, did a hard reset and installed everything slowly. Turns out that SD cards over 2mb even with the patch eventually destable the device.
If you want to free up some RAM, use MemMaid (or something similar) and disable the imate service from the startup routine. This takes up a whole bunch of memory. This will mean however that you can't use the imate configuration and security services, but not many people use this anyway I think. Up to you I guess, it's been worth it for me. It makes a noticeable difference to the speed, even improving video feedback considerably.
Also, it's not the cards over 2GB that are destabilizing the device - it's the patches. There is no patch that works properly for these devices yet, but supposedly imate are working on one to include in a new ROM. All the SDHC patches lock up wireless and/or cause other problems, so the most you can use is a 2GB card. Pretty annoying, but a lot of people are pretty agro about it and I've read elsewhere that supposedly it's a priority for imate to get it sorted.
How much additional RAM can u free up by removing Imate startup services?
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If you want to free up some RAM, use MemMaid (or something similar) and disable the imate service from the startup routine. This takes up a whole bunch of memory. This will mean however that you can't use the imate configuration and security services, but not many people use this anyway I think. Up to you I guess, it's been worth it for me. It makes a noticeable difference to the speed, even improving video feedback considerably.
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How much additional RAM can u free up by removing Imate startup services?
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I freed up over 5MB. With a couple of other minor tweaks I start up with around 40MB free. But that was the major one. You can free up another 4-5MB or so by disabling the imate operator skin in the registry, but this causes the keyboard to behave a bit differently. It no longer intelligently knows when you need to use numbers - you must hold the Fn button down every time. So for example, I use a simple PIN lock, and with the skin enabled, the phone knows that this input can only be numbers so that's all it lets you enter. Which means you don't have to hold the Fn button down to enter them. With the skin disabled, you have to hold Fn to unlock the device, which means you can't unlock it one handed. Another example is say searching contacts. With it enabled, as you start typing, it matches all contacts that have those letters in the name AND, if they are also number buttons, any contacts that have those numbers in their phone number. With the skin disabled, it only matches letters unless you hold down Fn, then it only matches numbers. And so on...
I also read someone else say that with the skin disabled, you can't make video calls, but I can't confirm that as I don't make them. I guess then with the skin it would be whether you'd prefer more memory but slightly less functionality. As far as I can tell, the phone works fine otherwise with it disabled, but I personally have chosen to leave it enabled. It does seem like an awfully bloated skin though...
I too just got this device and am really looking forward to a cooked ROM or some proper patches from i-Mate.
Great device....if the problems get sorted
has anyone successfully upgraded an ultimate ROM? I got the one from the imate website but it doesnt seem to be going anywhere, just gets stuck on the 'searching for drivers' screen...
I reckon it might be needed to unlock but no clue how to do it...
any tips lads ?
There's a new Zest firmware available for download from http://www.my-xda.com/. The filename is Xda_Zest Firmware Update_V7.7.0S.WWE20.00_M4.6.5.P7_V2.1.4 GBR20, which seems to be updates to most of the roms inside the zest. It's installing at the moment, and the upgrade interface on the phone is displaying "GalaxyMini5 Eboot (3.33.0). Since this appears to be a codename for the P565, I guess this is more evidence that the XDA Zest is simply an underclocked P565 and more evidence that P565 firmware may well work on it.
Warning, this firmware does not appear to contain the O2 menu software, or the free GPS software that comes with the phone (although maybe the latter can be re-installed from the SD card). Shame - I rather liked the O2 menu interface.
what improvements does it have? Is it actually worth upgrading?
Thanks.
The only things I can see that I don't remember seeing before are a couple of new or updated control panel entries. Video calling is probably the really important one.
You seem to lose the RSS reader, the O2 auto settings, the O2 menu and the GPS s/w (although the latter was only a demo). I have no idea if using the SD card that came with the Zest will restore these, as I don't have it. (If the software is all on there somewhere, and someone could bung me a copy, I'd be really grateful.)
It does make me wonder how the P565 firmware compares. I understand it has a nice touch interface on it.
It seems odd that the new firmware would remove all the o2 specific bits. Great if you want to use it on another network I suppose, but I quite like the mobile shell or o2 menu.
The satnav software isn't on the sd card - only the maps.
The instructions say:
Please note that if you already have CoPilot satellite navigation software on your Xda, refer to the Xda Zest user manual before upgrading your device software.
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I couldn't see anything of significance in the user manual.
Interesting. I actually have Tomtom for GPS on a different SD card, which is related to the reason I don't have the original SD card. Tomtom autoinstalls from the SD card, so I thought it might be that the O2 software installed itself from the SD card provided by O2. I guess that if it's only maps on the SD card then that's not the case, and the new firmware does strip out all the O2 extras, which seems like a peculiar decision to say the least.
Still, it did get me to try the new SPB mobile shell 3, which is what the O2 menu is based on, but nicer. I'm trying to decide whether it's worth the $35 for just a flashy finger driven interface. The weird thing is, it actually might be.
I'm actually going to upgrade my firmware to new one which is currently available in O2 site. What I want to know is if upgrade mine to the latest what would be the changes I may seen... Is it worth upgrading by loosing all the software?
So far I've seen nothing to write home about. The only reason might be if you can't already make video calls and want to do so. (I never make them, so I have no idea whether or not they're supported in the original firmware.)
I just upgraded mine to new firm ware. It worked fine for me. I didn't lose any O2 extras inc O2 menu. It was Oki but haven't tried yet to make video calls.. I will install iGO8 and will uninstall the co-pilot.
SPB Mobile shell 3.0 Rocks working smoothly with my Omnia and Xda Zest
I've just updated, and I didn't lose any O2 extras either (including Copilot). I backed up the Program Files\Copilot folder on the device to my PC before updating, and copied it back over after the update and voila, I've still got my fully activated version of Copilot. It did still prompt for allowing it to connect to the net during the 14-day trial the first time I ran it, but the license screen confirms it's the full version.
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I have a working theory that the autorun on my Tomtom SD card might have run in preference to some autorun that might otherwise have run the first time the OS booted. I could test this by re-installing the firmware, but it's kind of a pain to have to put all the data on again.
Having played around some more and browsed the Extended ROM on my device, this does appear to be what happened, as all the CAB files are present. Fortunately this is a bonus for me, since I'm not on O2, and most of these files are useless to me, and I can therefore just pick and choose the apps I'd like to install.
This might be useful to other Zest users - the hack to make the Extended ROM visible:
Use your favourite Registry Editor to make HKLM\System\StorageManager\Profiles\ONDisk2\FATFS\MountHidden set to 0 (default is 1)
You can then browse to \ASUS_ROM\ in Total Commander to view your Extended ROM partition. The ROM does not appear to be write protected, so you can now put all the packages *you* want re-installed on a hard reset in there. Neat.
I contacted O2 support about this issue, and they replied saying that:
On occasions the O2 menu can drop off after a ROM upgrade, but this would usually be resolve by either hard resetting or running the upgrade again. The o2 menu is still installed on the new ROM.
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I have now done this upgrade and have retained the 02 menu. The radio reception seems a bit better as I now get HSDPA at home, which I didn't previously, so the radio upgrade seems to be worth it.
ringer
ive got the zest and am happy with it so far apart from the last 2 days i cannot hear it when i get a call everything else works ie.system sounds,core player etc but the actual phone wont ring it just vibrates ive reset it a million times and checked system settings etc but nothing so if anyone has any ideas i would be very grateful, also how do you know if you are getting hdspa or not is there a setting for it or something, cheers guys.
The connectivity icon at the top right of the screen shows what communication protocol is being used by showing a symbol (usually just a single letter) in a solid square. The letters I have seen so far are:
G - GPRS (2G)
E - EDGE
3G - 3G (this is the odd one out with the two letters squashed together)
H - HSDPA
It's worth mentioning that on my train ride home I see all four protocols at different points, and the hand-off between them is very smooth.
thanks for quick reply i will keep an eye on it, still no joy with my ringer though its very strange. never had a problem like it on my orbit. i will keep investigating ,also do you know if anyone will be coming up with a rom for zest as i miss manila 2d although mobile shell v3 is good.
Have you checked:
Start->Settings->Sounds & Notifications
On the Notifications tab you can select the "Ring type", one possible choice of which is "Vibrate", which will make the phone only vibrate on incoming calls. Just guessing.
yes ive tried all that it might be affected by software ive installed recently i will try unistalling them one by one and see if that helps, failing that il do a hard reset i guess, anyone know how to hard reset the zest? thanks for your help.
There is a contortional key sequence for this, but you can also reset it by going to:
Start->Settings->System Tab->Default Settings
cheers managed to sort it , i installed mini lyrics software and ticked all in associating files which for some reason stopped the phone from ringing
thanks for your help.
Failure of firmware upgrade
Ive just had a power failure whilst upgrading the firmware on my new xda Zest and all it it shows when turning on is "OS Update failed! Please update again". Is there anything i can about this or will it need to be returned to O2. Any suggestions. thanx
hi guys,
am new to this forum and i just got the HTC touch HD for about 2wks great fone installed a lot of stuff but am trying to develop a program that i can track my phone on a web browser. can anyone help me on how to communicate with my phone and get the gps cordinates.
not sure about this, sorry if i get it wrong but maybe you can have a look at this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=482249
what am actually look for is like sending may be an sms to my phone and getting the gps coordinates really need help pls.
maybe this one?
http://smartphonetracker.blogspot.com/
Sprite are currently doing a special HTC package which includes backup plus a secuirty application which can track your phone using the GPS
SPRITE HTC Special Offer
Just to mention that as far as I know any solution includes comunicating with the SIM card. If you want to track your phone in case it gets stolen, well... forget it. I don't believe any thief will be stupid enough to leave the SIM card in the phone and/or the phone turned on. If you want it for another scenario - MAYBE it will work.
you can buy theese lil tracker things they tiny lil sticker things which u can put on cars/phones etc. They can be tracked and reported to the police.
just want to find a way to communicated with the phone it for a project.