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Time To Modify IIWPO Theft Control.

hey guyz..
the scene is set, dont want to tell anyone where it happened by whom and ofcourse who got robbed but here's the story.
User had an o2 Xda II, customized rom, with IIWPO Theft Control installed in the rom, so that means hard reset wont wipe IIWPO out of the pda.
Robber comes puts a knife on the user's throat takes away cash and the pda, user gives it happily thinking she will get a msg on the other number with all the info of sim changed.
4 days pass by no info come's and the pda is sold or forwarded to someone else or whatever. END OF STORY.
now how did the user not get a msg of the new sim info.
1. SIM WAS NOT CHANGED.
2.SIM CHANGED BUT NO CREDIT IN NEW SIM.
3.BATTERY TAKEN OUT PDA TOTALLY DEAD TILL NEW CUSTOMER GETS IT. ETC ETC.
WHAT CAN BE DONE.
ok guyz this is the part where i would like allll the geeks & gurus to put in some effort, i know it will be tough but i have a feeling its not impossible.
CAN UR,LL UPDATE IIWPO IN SUCH A WAY THAT WHEN WE ARE FEEDING OUR NAME AND OTHER INFO IT WILL ALSO ASK FOR A SECURITY PASS TO BE PUT IN, SO THAT WHEN ROBBER CHANGES SIM THE IIWPO RECOGNIZES THE SIM CHANGE AND LOCK'S THE PDA AND ASKS FOR THE PASS, AND WONT UNLOCK TILL PASS PROVIDED, REBOOT WONT HELP.
Now ofcourse the robber can be anyone, so the robber plans to hard reset and still the device would recognize the sim change and ask for pass now so annoyed he plans to flash the device and what happens after that all of us know.
To prevent this THE GEEKS & GURUS can just build a small security patch that can wont allow flashing of device till pass given, it would work like this, we flash our device for the first time install IIWPO and the NEW SECURITY PATCH (with passwords) device is robbed, robber changes the sim gets pass error he gets pissed and tries to flash the device and that clever software would not flash the device till pass provided, this would prove that all the efforts the robber made to steal the device are gone to waste.
And ofcourse someday someone might put in a sim with credit and we would get the info.
NOT FORGETTING CHARLES WARNER FOR THE GREAT WORK HE'S PUT IN FOR ALL xda-developers.com USERS and also giving the IIWPO to us for free, REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR WORK SIR !! THANKS ALOT.

no one interested in being secured ?

I think the IIWPO idea can definitely be improved, BUT: It will never protect you from being robbed.
The true advantage of IIWPO in its currect form is to be able to get track of the 'new' owner of a nicked device. In the end: someone will put in his/her sim and then its just bing!
All other enhancements will just make sure noone else gets to use the device. Sure an improvement, but less important to me: I just want my device back and get the thief nailed!

Interesting...
But I think you have misunderstood how IIWPO works.
IIWPO does not detect if someone changes the SIM card. It ONLY acts when the someone changes the Owner Information (Start/Settings/Owner Information), so no matter what SIM card there is, as long as it has credit it will send an SMS to the recipient's phone number. That's the beauty of it, that it silently sends the SMS with the 'new' users data so there is a slight chance of knowing who's the 'new' owner.
But! This is by no means fool proof. It's what they call 'protection by obscurity', so if a savvy robber knows how to reflash the device it will get away with it no matter what features we can integrate to IIWPO.
That's one of the cool new features of WM5.0, that we can at least know for sure that our data is SAFE by wiping the info remotely if necessary.
Just a thought.
Rayan

edsub said:
The true advantage of IIWPO in its currect form is to be able to get track of the 'new' owner of a nicked device.I just want my device back and get the thief nailed!
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Rayan said:
so if a savvy robber knows how to reflash the device it will get away with it no matter what features we can integrate to IIWPO
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ofcourse this is why we all love IIWPO cause it sends use a msg, and ofcourse even if someone was to modify IIWPO iam sure that this feature would'nt wipe out.god forbid you get robbed u get a msg frm the cell but you for some reason cant track the person or some other c#@p...and the pda is gone....WHY caz it only sends sms it does not block the screen....if you were to have a feature which would jam or freeze the pda on change of the name then the pda would be useless to the robber nothing much he could do....unless he knows how to flash it...now comes a part where we can do something about not flashin the device with out a pass....this would totally make the pda useless to the robber and would also keep sendin us msgs and secondly the robber maybe maybe next time might think twice before robbing a pda and might go for something else

How about a device that would be installed internally to the xda and if it is stolen and a different sim/different user info is entered and the person makes a call it fires a large captive bolt which nails the phone to the head of the user, it then adjusts itself to full volume with all lights flashing and announcing "This is a stolen phone...call an ambulance...or hearse".,

cruisin-thru said:
How about a device that would be installed internally to the xda and if it is stolen and a different sim/different user info is entered and the person makes a call it fires a large captive bolt which nails the phone to the head of the user, it then adjusts itself to full volume with all lights flashing and announcing "This is a stolen phone...call an ambulance...or hearse".,
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tht would be great..... are u goood enough to build something like tht ?

Rayan said:
But I think you have misunderstood how IIWPO works.
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I perfectly understands the IIWPO functionality. It was me who put together IIWPO for other devices than Wallaby.
Let me explain how my earlier post should be interpreted: Sure it is triggered by the change of owner info, but most thieves (or buyer from a stolen device) will put in another SIM (simply because they dont have the pin of the stolen sim or because the stolen sim is blocked by the network). Thus: As soon as the 'new' owner puts in a SIM AND he/she has changed the owner info (and every one does that!) the sms is sent.
Also: Eventually a thief might flash a device, but ost certain a thief (or buyer) starts it up to test whether its working or not.
Imho IIWPO can be improved, but practically chances of getting a device back will not significantly improve

edsub said:
Rayan said:
But I think you have misunderstood how IIWPO works.
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I perfectly understands the IIWPO functionality. It was me who put together IIWPO for other devices than Wallaby.
Let me explain how my earlier post should be interpreted: Sure it is triggered by the change of owner info, but most thieves (or buyer from a stolen device) will put in another SIM (simply because they dont have the pin of the stolen sim or because the stolen sim is blocked by the network). Thus: As soon as the 'new' owner puts in a SIM AND he/she has changed the owner info (and every one does that!) the sms is sent.
Also: Eventually a thief might flash a device, but ost certain a thief (or buyer) starts it up to test whether its working or not.
Imho IIWPO can be improved, but practically chances of getting a device back will not significantly improve
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Sorry edsub, I should have specified to whom I was refering to (zairyaab) when I wrote that comment.
Best regards,
Rayan

np m8

edsub said:
It was me who put together IIWPO for other devices than Wallaby.
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Can you explain what should I change in the cab to make it work on other devices (Like ETen M500/Torq P100)?
edsub said:
Imho IIWPO can be improved, but practically chances of getting a device back will not significantly improve.
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Yeah, but still I would feel somewhat better if I can at least call the thief/buyer and shout some expletives if he/she refuses to cooperate!!! :twisted: :lol:
Best regards,
Rayan

i have my girlfriend's number as my report number.. what if were together and we got robbed both our phones are taken away.. a multiple report number would be a good addition to IIWPO

The changes I'd like to see done to IIWPO include:
a) not using "IIWPO" or 'xda-developer' in the registry (user customisable registry key)
b) user customisable executable file name (IIWPO_startup is like a dead giveaway)
c) not storing owner name & number 'in the clear' (a simple XOR to hide it would be just as effective)
d) a hash of the entire owner info page (not just the last name) so unit will resend an SMS if any info changes
e) a new sms is resent after a preset time (eg: every 24/48/120 hours for example), regardless if owner info has changed or not.
I also like the idea of multiple number reporting.
a,b,c) Considering the concept of IIWPO is 'security by obscurity'; it will help if one could hide it more effectively. (no one is going to bother too much about bluetooth.exe or msn_update.exe in the startup folder for example...)
d) Most people get their name right; then meddle with the other bits of information as time goes on - it'd be good to get 'updated' info as and when it happens.
e) Consider it a 'keep alive' thing, so we'll know the unit is still in use, and can continue to keep in touch with the new owner =) I've no moral issues burning up the credit of someone who refuses to give me back my property either. =P
If nothing else, we'd be able to know when the unit gets reflashed, and can quiety say goodbye to our unit after not hearing from it for a while... =(
Is IIWPO still being maintained by the author, or anyone on xda-developers? If not, is the source available? I might be interested in following up on it (time permitting...)
Edited to add: A really vicious version of the IIWPO would possibly send out:
a) phone numbers stored in the SIM card
b) phone numbers stored in the addres book
c) recently dialed/received phone numbers
d) recently sent/received SMS phone numbers
Not all in one go; but in bits and pieces (eg: every 20 startups; send phone numbers of last 5 SMSs sent/received + last 5 phone calls dialed/received).
That would allow us get in touch with his friends and would possibly aid in getting the unit returned (use your imagination... probably easier to get them tell you who/where he is, rather than to get them convince him to return it...)
Probably this would add too much bloat to IIWPO; but hey, could be useful... =P

WOW, ok.
First of all - I registered 2 this forum less than a week ago,
and great job for doing these kind of things.
second - where can i d/l the prog?
and last another idea: when some1 steals ur pda he's usually gonna sell it over. meaning he made his money.
HOWEVER - if even after a HR after changing sims (maybe even without) there will be a picture message saying:
"You cannot use this phone"
"This phone can only be used by me - *name*"
"However, Im willing to buy this phone back from you. call +......"
there wont be a place on the screen to enter the code.
however - the phones' user knows he can type his password and unlock the phone. you might even integrate a handwriting recognition programm for signature or somthing but that will be super hard, i know.
another option is that when seeing this message user has to touch 4 corners of the screen with the stylus in a specific order, then he'll have a please enter password screen.
any comment?
is it do-able?

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=IIWPO

A Pain in the SPV!

My SPV M3100 phone keys jammed - Called Orange in their wisdom sent me a replacement spv m3100. I 'spb' backed up my data - not thinking nor really caring to sync my phone with outlook. After all I have been backing up my data on my card and saw no reason for doing - unless I needed. (My computer outlook data looks like Yellow Pages , and didn't want it on my phone)
The phone arrives - I restore...To my horror! No contacts!!
I call orange - no bloody help!- level 2 technician has just painted finger nails and has no idea of problem and puts me on hold for 30 mins, call drops. Call again - advised me to visit retail phone shop for old model, so that I could migrate my data from card to an older version of the phone.
Did that! Spent 4 hours wondering phone retail outlets restoring phones, but all I came up with this is not the same device HEME100 -Not that I want to spend my life talking to a bunch of numbnuts (although - one guy I came across should have worked for NASA - pointed me in the direction of ROM upgrades)
I Realise that the problem lies with a change of pim.vol from one version to another and have spent the evening downloading and installing an array of ROM downgrades, upgrades and side grades. Non of these seem to work with reloading pim.vol - it appears corrupt and the pda flashs before going to normal screen.
Phone's not interested in the orange backgrade - I am fed up - spent two days trying to resolve problems. IS THERE A GENIUS OUT THERE WHO CAN ADVISE? - PLEASE HELP!
A Distraught Soul!!

To the XDA Community
If no one can answer this request - then there is serious money to be made. If anyone is interested please contact and I will show how!!

Have you tried a partial restore?
Did you create a full backup? It is possible to backup everything except the contacts etc..
Only things I can think of for now
Baggyt said:
If no one can answer this request - then there is serious money to be made...
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If you want to pay for it, just upload the file somewhere and reward the person who's able to send you the contacts back to ya

GPS Phone home security

Im looking for a program that will autosend GPS location data in either SMS or Email form.
The idea behind this is simple, if it gets stolen at a set time if there is GPS data available it is to send location data to another phone or email.
Ideally im wanting this to survive a hard reset but im fully aware that if its reflashed there would be no hope.
any ideas guys?

dazza9075 said:
Im looking for a program that will autosend GPS location data in either SMS or Email form.
The idea behind this is simple, if it gets stolen at a set time if there is GPS data available it is to send location data to another phone or email.
Ideally im wanting this to survive a hard reset but im fully aware that if its reflashed there would be no hope.
any ideas guys?
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try and do a search, a few weeks ago there was a link to the software that will do this for you, i think it maybe called mobile justice, but not sure.
good luck.

mobile justice
yeah cheers, i found that, sadly it doesnt appear to work with the artimis, seems exactly what im looking for as well! just typical.
Has anyone got this working on artemis? or know of something similar?
thanks again

vito technology
Search for VITO- technology they are offering such a tool....
Mike

as good as that program appears to be, its only really helpful for keeping track of your kids, an ill be damned if there going to be using my £300 phone!
it wont keep track of sim changes more worringly, so a quick swap of the sim an its rendered usless, then flash it an hay presto!

WIMP - Where Is My Phone

I'm posting this here as well as other GPS enabled device forums.
Here's the main thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1543674#post1543674
Here's the gist:
I’ve found a mint piece of software that no Kaiser owner should be without.
It comes with a trial period and u should check it out.
I was looking for some software that would help secure my phone and came across this. http://www.wimp-software.co.uk)
It’s supposedly designed to help you find your phone (yeh right, I aint gonna lose my £500 phone) but me and my mate have had a **** load of fun with it.
It’s pretty cool.
If you read the instructions, you can basically text the phone, but the other person doesn’t get the text message. The software grabs this coded text message and sends you back the gps position of the phone. It also gives you a link to google maps which is great if you’ve got Opera installed on your phone. (Don’t try PIE, it doesn’t work)
I gotta say, I’ve seen a lot of cool software around, but this one is SO cool. I only wish my girlfriend had a Kaiser. I could have so much fun with this.
The only thing I would add to the software though, is to know I was being WIMPED. Maybe a little SMS noise, or the icon changed or something, but I do suppose that it was written for phone theft. I haven’t tried it yet, but it also claims that if you change the SIM card in the phone it’ll SMS you with the number of the new SIM card.

It seems very cool.
I'm gonna give it a try

It Rocks!!!

Isn't this known as AGPS... well... a kind of gps location by bouncing off the signal dishes of your provider... but as far as i know your operator has to support it... alas it does not work on all...
P.S. now we know THEY can track our phones

Mobile Justice
Not tried it myself but there is a piece of open source software called MobileJustice that does the same thing.

Works for me. After about 10mins I got a text back with all the GPS data.
Gonna try the open source one though now!

craftyb said:
Not tried it myself but there is a piece of open source software called MobileJustice that does the same thing.
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CraftyB,
I'm trying the open source one you said about but can't seem to find anywhere to set things like com port for the GPS. Any ideas?

MJConfig
In your programs file you wil find MJConfig icon there you can enable gps, MsgBox and Loc. Call.....i tried the software but when i changed the simcard, your phone must send a sms message with the new phone number...to your other mobile..(the number you have put in MJConfig)
or else you won't be able to track your phone (gps logging and messaging is activated by sms, without the new number, no tracing) but it didn't work for me changed 2 simcards and the phone i gave up to sms didn't recieve any.....
So it is useless if someone changes the simcard.....and yes i used the international numbers....

I guess you could notice being WIMPed, as the connection LED, which is normally blinking green, changes to blinking yellow, which indicates activated GPS...

esackbauer said:
I guess you could notice being WIMPed, as the connection LED, which is normally blinking green, changes to blinking yellow, which indicates activated GPS...
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Mine stay blinking green when I've a GPS connection

Anyone found it useful?

HARD RESET and it is useless.

Not true.
Put it in your External ROM and it most definately isn't!!!

They've got automatic launching of Virtual Earth Mobile now too.
Check out their forum at http://www.wimp-software.co.uk

Flash external ROM
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Not true.
Put it in your External ROM and it most definately isn't!!!
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Flash the external ROM and it is a mute point. Are you their agent?

No I'm not their agent.
For a start, think about this. Someone steals your phone.
Are you saying that they are going to
a: Ooooh, it's a WM phone so the first thing I'll do is hard reset it.
b: That's not good enough so I'll flash their Extended ROM
c: I'll put a cooked ROM on it just to be safe.
I'm supporting an excellent piece of software from a company which is obviously just up and coming. If you don't like it then don't f***in use it.
I'm glad there are people out there thinking about us people that DO happen to be victims. Then you get people like you have nothing to do but scorn them.

I understand your point....
Yes... It is a good idea. However, if you do not have the GPS on, it is useless. And you have to send the SMS message when the GPS is on.

You obviously haven't read the manual.
The WIMP message switches the GPS on, and then switches it off when it's finished.
You should try it before giving it a bad rep!!!!

Hi all,
in my old Nokia N70, I have this software :
http://www.symbian-toys.com/guardian.aspx
"Guardian is the new antitheft system for Symbian Series 60 devices.
Every time you switch on your mobile telephone, Guardian proceeds with authentication of the inserted sim card; if authentication fails, Guardian send a notification sms message to a previously set telephone number.
In addition, the system features remote control functions, i.e. deleting your photographs/phone book/text messages/video/audio data in case of loss or theft of your mobile phone (see Plugins section).
Please NOTE that all the sms sent / received by Guardian will not notified in any way to the user, no icons, no lights, no sounds, no vibro, nothing visibile in inbox/sent/outbox messages folder, and of course, no traces left in logs."
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But, this it's only for Symbian Series 60 devices..
Somebody know if there is the same for Windows Mobile ?
Thanks you.

Just had a read of the forum.
Looks like the next version gets rid of the icon on the today screen!!
Hooray

For guys girls who didnt know about RemoteTracker - Antitheft software by Joubert

Guys/Girls since we are equipped with an expensive piece of phone i guess this software is very useful! After all its Totally FREE!
Check it out! it is released by a guy called "Joubert Vasconcelos"
on XDA he is known as 'joubertvasc'!
I guess we all should have this on our HDs i have on mine already totally awesome and working!
this is where you can download the app.
http://remotetracker.sourceforge.net/
this is where you find support
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394203
A word from the Original Site:
"This is an Antitheft software and you can use it to track your Windows Mobile device when it was lost or stolen.
It works catching a formated SMS sent from any phone, MSN, AIM or web sites and then send useful informations back. These informations can have GPS coordinates, list os contacts, owner informations and more.
You can use it to others objectives, like keep your eyes in your child. Use your imagination!
To use all features RemoteTracker has, your device must have GPS and GSM capabilities. If your device does not have a built in GPS receiver, you can get the position based on the Cell Tower it is answering. Please visit OpenCellClient project for more details.
If the thief change your SIM card, you will receive a SMS alerting you and you still can track your device. All you need to do is set an emergency cel number."
Enjoy!

i've been using this app.. really great stuff

UPS this is COOOL !!
I am always hanging around with an expensive piece of hardware, you´re damn right !!!
This will help to make me feel more comfortable with my SEX1
THANKS !!!

you are welcome!

Does anyone know how to cook this into the touch HD ROM?? as this will prevent anyone doing hard resets

dagg3r said:
Does anyone know how to cook this into the touch HD ROM?? as this will prevent anyone doing hard resets
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When I read this post, I thought the same, this should be cooked in all roms.

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When I read this post, I thought the same, this should be cooked in all roms.
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Yeah they should actually. the guy who made this app is even giving out code to have it cooked in Roms.
My only question is even if they do cook this into roms, after a hard reset by the guy who steals the phone how will the settings be loaded again to the program? (such as the Number to SmS) hmm.. if they have a workaround on this too it will be so great!

for true tracking & protection and to be "cookable" it needs to be stupid on the device. By that I mean all it knows how to do is call home and report the phone IMEI & Location info. For example:
On hard reset it is set to run as a service in the background.
On New SIM Detection it calls home and report phone number & IMEI.
Server side has info for registered owener of the IMEI. Forwards the message to your e-mail.
If the phone was taken you can send SMS to the number to enable "active tracking" which sends location reports to home on a regular interval. All message sent home are forwarded to registered owner.
If a developer did this they might even be able to make a deal with providers so that the Call Home function is directly to the carriers and it gets built into the Stock Roms.

I use Sprite Terminator. Has the option to remove all your important data.

Usefull thread. but only missing small how to cook this into the touch diam/pro or HD ROM. The main problem is how to make that shortcut fo SMS

kyphur said:
If a developer did this they might even be able to make a deal with providers so that the Call Home function is directly to the carriers and it gets built into the Stock Roms.
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if your phone get stolen, you'll going to buy a new one. No deal for them