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Greetings to all.
I've read alot about memory and memory leak and bloatware and well...am still kind of curious...okay, maybe a little lost.
I am running Black 2.0 with Radio 1.38.00.10
I am running, in addition to the apps included:
SBSH iLauncher
SBSH Pocket Weather
Palm Messaging
WM Extrablack dialer
PTTFix
Vibra-Switch
Batti
Mortgage CALC
ClearTemp
Legolas Date and Time
I love the ROM and love the system. It runs fast 90% of the time. I do have freezes 2 times a day. 1/2 the time I let it sit for a few minutes and it sorts itself out. The other half I have to do a soft reset. I also do a planned soft reset every morning. I downloaded Black 2.0 the very night it was released and had only one instance of it not waking up in the morning.
So, here is my question...
How much memory should be there for me to be comfortable? I see 28mb upon restart and it keeps around 20-23mb with no programs running. With Live Messenger running I had 14.1mb right now.
It doesn't run slow most of the time so I don't know if its sucked dry or not. So how much memory should be there for comfort-15mb? 20mb?24mb?-or is it situational dependent, or is it something I shouldn't worry about until it starts causing slow downs?
Thanks,
Jim
Situational
It's pretty situational on how much memory you usually have. With me I have programs running in the background so I am usually around 15-20 which is pretty good for me. If you start to see your memory drop when you don't have a lot of programs running then you should be concerned. Just look for anything unusual. Also if menus start taking a long time to open then be suspicious. Carefull of the SBSH programs. I've read a lot of comments about people having memory leaks with these programs. I'm not saying you will but if you see a slow down try stopping those programs first. I hope this helps.
same goes for SPB programs like Diary and Pocket Plus
joej said:
same goes for SPB programs like Diary and Pocket Plus
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So what is a good, small foot print launch application?
Try 'cLaunch'...
cLaunch - I've only been using it for about a week and I think it's great! It's a today plugin, so I dunno how much memory it uses.... It's got tabs for different types of programs; you can configure it to the n'th degree and I've only scratched the surface.....
Download it from this link and give it a go! There's various posts on xda-devs about cLaunch vs. lots of other launchers - just search for "cLaunch" and you'll get loads of hits - it's a good idea to look into a few alternatives before you make your mind up.
HTH,
Mark.
its not cLaunch..
its windows live messenger... there are reports on MSDN forums about Windows Live Mobile not releasing allocated memory... M$ are already looking into it
I'm going to follow what others have said - I think that Batti has some issues. I uninstalled and used Battery Status and feel that it's running better...
I ran great for the first week...now it seems to be a little slower with freezes 2x a day or so, really no big deal. I came from a Treo 650 that would freeze and reset everytime the phone rang while I was doing a scheduled mail fetch.
I'll look into battery status. I like the animated battery meter on top that moves when it's charging, but not at the cost of memory. I'm thinking of ditching Pocket Weather and going with just iLauncher and see how that goes.
Odd thing also...about once a day, I'll have like 5-6 phone apps open. With iLauncher I click on the corner to see what programs are running and 5-6 phone apps will be open and I can't close any of them...only happens every 2-3 days though. It happened with both Black v1.2 and 2.0.
Jim
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Newb-Tech-Realtor said:
I ran great for the first week...now it seems to be a little slower with freezes 2x a day or so, really no big deal. I came from a Treo 650 that would freeze and reset everytime the phone rang while I was doing a scheduled mail fetch.
I'll look into battery status. I like the animated battery meter on top that moves when it's charging, but not at the cost of memory. I'm thinking of ditching Pocket Weather and going with just iLauncher and see how that goes.
Odd thing also...about once a day, I'll have like 5-6 phone apps open. With iLauncher I click on the corner to see what programs are running and 5-6 phone apps will be open and I can't close any of them...only happens every 2-3 days though. It happened with both Black v1.2 and 2.0.
Jim
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You need to check the setup of the X-button. Its located in >start>settings>system tab>task manager. Change it as you like then your programs will close.
i have 24mb on restart as i have some today items and startups. if i disable all of them i get 28mb on startup.
phone runs happy all day at 20mb.
if i run activesync all day via usb or push email runs to 18mb.
when i run live messenger with html emails from hotmail (not push as exchange 03) and have internet running ie using xda emails via live messenger and open IE with nothing else running after a fresh restart to 24mb at this moment exactly i have 7mb available.
i know when i finish this and close all i will recover back to about 12-15mb only.
the only way to go back to full will be to soft reset.
i find the worst memory hogs are al MS related are:
IE
HTML Emails
Windows live
Media player
these all suck big time my memory. only soft reset recovers them. most custom apps that have a built in exit system such as gs player resco apps and the like get much better memory recovery rather than using htc X or spb or other app closers.
i must say i am disappointed that ms release such memory hogg programs AND do not build in an adequate memory recovery function.
stukes said:
You need to check the setup of the X-button. Its located in >start>settings>system tab>task manager. Change it as you like then your programs will close.
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My x-button is set the way I want iy.
The point was FIVE or SIX phone apps open...."phone" listed 5-6 times in the running program list.
Jim
As memory leak provider I have windows live messenger (well known), Today Agenda and SPB weather (suspected also from others)
Today agenda http://tiews.info/index.php?show=software/todayagenda is a good freeware today plugin and they just fixed a memory leak
Good Changes
Good Things!
I did a hard reset and installed my apps, minus the SBSH.
I'm now running at a comfortable 21mb with all apps loaded and running in the background.
I'm using TodayAgenda, Battery Status and Weather to Go.
It's running quite well now.
Thanks for all the suggestions and info.
Jim
Newb-Tech-Realtor said:
... I am running Black 2.0 with Radio 1.38.00.10
I am running, in addition to the apps included:
SBSH iLauncher
SBSH Pocket Weather
Palm Messaging
WM Extrablack dialer
PTTFix
Vibra-Switch
Batti
Mortgage CALC
ClearTemp
Legolas Date and Time ... Jim
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Just wondering why the PTTFix. I am NOT putting down Sleuth's wonderful piece of work here, nor claiming it to be a memory hog or thief. It's indeed a wonderful piece of software, and direly needed on the stock WM5 that comes with the 8525. But I found that Black 2.0 gave me the functionality to program the PTT Key "out-of-the-box". I haven't needed to reinstall it after upgrading to Black 2.0.
-pvs
pvs said:
Just wondering why the PTTFix. I am NOT putting down Sleuth's wonderful piece of work here, nor claiming it to be a memory hog or thief. It's indeed a wonderful piece of software, and direly needed on the stock WM5 that comes with the 8525. But I found that Black 2.0 gave me the functionality to program the PTT Key "out-of-the-box". I haven't needed to reinstall it after upgrading to Black 2.0.
-pvs
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I wasn't aware I could map the PTT button without it, to be quite honest. I'm going to be upgrading to the Cingular Black 2.0 and I'll try it before installing the PTTfix...
I've done a few hard resets and I can get it all configured and all apps installed to my liking in less than 10 minutes and the PTTfix is part of my process for that. I'll try it though.
Thanks,
Jim
Newb-Tech-Realtor said:
My x-button is set the way I want iy.
The point was FIVE or SIX phone apps open...."phone" listed 5-6 times in the running program list.
Jim
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I have noticed the same thing on my LVSW Rom
Guys,
Been testing the various roms available for some time now, XDALive, Black, Schaps etc but just can't find a single Rom that allows the phone to function as its supposed to, i.e. Fast, efficient and usable.
XDA Live and Black appeared to be great at first, until I installed TomTom and a few other minor apps, at which point they just slowed until the phone took 2/3 seconds to come out of standby, and when ringing the phone, it wouldn't even make a sound until the 2nd/3rd ring!?
Yesterday I flashed to Schaps and its even worse, before installing ANYTHING extra! 3/4 seconds from standby although it is a great looking rom.
Just seems a real shame, is the phone's hardware the limitation or is there a Rom out there that really does make a good job of enabling the best functionality from the Hermes??
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Guys,
Been testing the various roms available for some time now, XDALive, Black, Schaps etc but just can't find a single Rom that allows the phone to function as its supposed to, i.e. Fast, efficient and usable.
XDA Live and Black appeared to be great at first, until I installed TomTom and a few other minor apps, at which point they just slowed until the phone took 2/3 seconds to come out of standby, and when ringing the phone, it wouldn't even make a sound until the 2nd/3rd ring!?
Yesterday I flashed to Schaps and its even worse, before installing ANYTHING extra! 3/4 seconds from standby although it is a great looking rom.
Just seems a real shame, is the phone's hardware the limitation or is there a Rom out there that really does make a good job of enabling the best functionality from the Hermes??
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Same-same feeling here. Tried all, still can't get the reliability and responsiveness of original WM5 Jasjam ROM. It's not a rant and of course I can always go back, but it makes me wander never the less..
Edit 15:30,
Well after such a statement I guess I owe some specifics:
- Hermes 100 and 200
- SPL-2.10.Olipro
- IPL: 1.04
- Radio: v1.43.00.00
- Tried the various available RTM versions, much too slow responding, haven't resolved the SOD problem for me
- reverted to what I consider to be the most stable and comfortable release - LVSW 19/5 (elf edition), still experience SOD but apprx. once in 24 Hrs. Still makes the WM6 Hermes unreliable as a phone, since for those unfamiliar with SOD, it means that while actually frozen, the phone looks externaly to be OK and working, respective LEDs blinking. Tried all solutions known and yet some.. drafted to this some heavy dev colleagues but still there.
Frustrating isn't it, perhaps the Hermes just isn't ready for WM6, would be logical as they haven't launched the Hermes OEM with WM6 yet have they?
Cheers, Ash
If you have a bit, give my latest ROM a try and tell me what you think.
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If you have a bit, give my latest ROM a try and tell me what you think.
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Can do, how do you believe its better than the rest? Where can I get it from?
Thanks mate!
Click the link on my sig.
My ROM is a graft and is not based on any one m$ hermes build. It has components from a number of different devices.
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If you have a bit, give my latest ROM a try and tell me what you think.
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Sleuth255, you are counted with the serious in my book, so I should definitely do so. At the moment I kind of stabilized my devices (less than a SOD in every 24 Hrs. time frame), and I am pretty dependant on my phone.. but... at same time I've a XDA-dev soul, so I don't count on myself to withstand the temptation to try yours...
However Ash's quest remains. WTF happens with WM6 on the Hermes. No disrespect to those praising it, but if it doesn't work here, it most probably doesn't work elsewhere if you push it to same limits I do.. And where is HTC's RTM. I would expect it's core to be reasonably well, then use it in the kitchen for "our flavours", but apparently RTM is not there yet, or is it RTM ?
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If you have a bit, give my latest ROM a try and tell me what you think.
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Sleuth255, you are counted with the honorable in my address book, so I should definitely try yours, thank you. At the moment I kind of stabilized my devices (less than a SOD in every 24 Hrs. time frame) with LVSW-Elf 2.1, and I am pretty dependant on my phones.. However... at same time I've a XDA-dev soul, so I don't count on myself to withstand the temptation to try yours...
In any case Ash's quest remains. WTF happens with WM6 on the Hermes. No disrespect to those praising it, but if it doesn't work here, it most probably doesn't work elsewhere. At least if you push the envelope to same limits I do.. And where is HTC's RTM. I would expect it's core to first be reasonably solid, then use it in the kitchen for cooking our flavours, but apparently RTM is not there yet, or is it RTM at all, and if it is how come it ain't published on HTC support site yet ?
Questions..questions... but it's fun, isn't it ?
HTC's core CE/XIP for hermes was RTM as of v5.2.1238 and is quite stable IMO. It's the IMGFS that's buggy.
Hermes has always had issues coming out of standby and this delay is what affects the time the call connects to the time you hear the first ring. I noticed this the very first time I tried my TyTN (coming from a Wizard).
I've always wanted to uncover the specific code that handles this because there's also a nagging bit that forces portrait mode as a workaround for the magnets in the case Because of this, I have to disable standby whenever I'm using my stowaway bt keyboard.
edit: SOD could be solved as well by dis-assembling this code...
Sleuth, I agree with you (again). And you are also very right on RTM (I happen to be somehow..remotely... connected to them people in Redmond, but I shouldn't exploit this subject too much here.....
Anyway it's pi__ing me off quite a lot and the "Israeli Team" has given SOD a good chunk of time to no result. What amazes me is that this is one Huge issue that doesn't ring an alarm at HTC's.. BTW assuming that under the hood Hermes 100 and Hermes 200 are one and the same (so says my favorite CTO), I can't understand how would my JasJam (original WM5 ROM) be bullet proof in respect to SOD, while my TyTn showed SOD and call delay on WM5 as well. Maybe all Hermesses weren't born equal (and I refer to the latest crop, post childhood issues).
I happened to work with HTC and I know them to take stuff like this seriously. What happens here ....
So can we conclude that the Hermes wasn't ever *supposed* to run WM6, hence why all the WM6 roms just simply don't really work very well once you install just a couple of apps? Some without even installing supplemental programs?
I can't conclude that. WM6 works wonderfully on my hermes. I can conclude at this point that the device has some powersave related ideosyncracies that may or may not be software related. This is why I'm interested in your XP with my ROM.
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I can't conclude that. WM6 works wonderfully on my hermes. I can conclude at this point that the device has some powersave related ideosyncracies that may or may not be software related. This is why I'm interested in your XP with my ROM.
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I agree with Sleuth, WM6 works so much better on my TyTn than WM5... In every way.
Ok, the (slight) wakeup delay at phonecalls is there but certainly no more than with WM5. And Sleuth's new ROM is very stabile, pretty fast and with very little memory leaks.
At least it is in my case...
Ive been using WM6 releases for hermes since they first surfaced
my favourites are
Schap's WM6 Pro 3.30c
LVSW (latest June release)
Windows Mobile VI Pro - Black 2.5
I don't use Device for gaming at all
I use It strictly for work, this means:
Organizing my day with SBSH PocketBreeze
Chatting with Live messenger
see the weather news with weatherPanel (Schap's ROM replaced my choice of weatherpanel)
I work with/edit simple word documents on the road and e-mail them
Take many photos and record videos
and also watch big videos 22~50megs in both .wmv and .3gp format
Surely some ROM's were a real pain and unstable
with the above mentioned ROM's
My device Is stable and fast
Reading around thoughts and opinions surely will help many new to the PDA scene and surely will reward them with knowledge and make their WM experience more fun and useful rather than adventurous and experimenting
Definetely my TyTN is more useful fast and stable now with WM6
rather than when It was fueled with WM5
Just my 2 cents
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Definetely my TyTN is more useful fast and stable now with WM6
rather than when It was fueled with WM5
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Same here, I'm very pleased with WM6 (currently vp3G). I've installed some apps and its faster and more stable than before. I have no freezes, no sleeps of dead, no lock ups - with none of the Roms.
Programs in use:
Always running:
.) ILauncher
.) PhotoContactsPro
.) BatteryStatus
Installed:
.) Mobipocket Reader
.) SK Tools
.) Vijay's Brighter Screen
.) enAlarm
.) GS Finder
.) Total Commander
.) PocketIrked
My first WM6 ROM was the XDA Live.. then I started playing with the free storage.. created modified XDA Live ROM ( later called "WM6 Brick" because it wouldn't boot for ppl without MFG BL).. anyway.. a week later I bricked my Hermes completely trying to get it working with all BLs.. Then I was out for 2 months.. as my Hermes was being repaired..
When it came back I started flashing it with different WM6 roms.. (I guess I liked it much more when there had been only one wm6 rom available). They've all looked nice.. but none of them have been stable. I don't care so much about the speed.. but I hate when it freezes while I am scrolling the file list in the built-in Explorer.. and this happens with all WM6 roms I've tested.
I guess that at some point it will be stable enough for me to use it.. but as I don't need html-emails.. or sd-card encryption I guess I'll stick to WM5 for a while :/
I've tried:
Custel 2.5
ALL of the Blacks
Elf's 2.1
LVSW
Faria
I am with Custel 2.5 right now and I love it. No sleeps of death here.
I'm running:
SPB Pocket Plus
SPB Weather
SPB Phone Profile
IM+
Today Agenda
MobiReader
Google Maps (Latest Build)
MortgageCALC
After being "awake" for 12 hours, I still have 23.4 MB of memory avail. with normal usage.
I don't do any media on my phone; I don't even have the media net settings loaded to my connections. I use it strictly for business: direct push mail, text message between the contractors, phone calls, scheduling and looking up houses, google search quite a bit and the PIM software.
Perfect ROM for me:
4mb pagepool
HTweak 1.5
Windows Media Player (for ring tones only)
Office 2007
RedEdit
NO Task Manager
Java Manager
Internet Sharing
NO Streaming Media
NO Audio Manager
PocketRAR
The updated file explorer that's floating
NO Live
NO Messenger
Unfortunately I'm not a cook.
Jim
I have tried both the Elf V2.1 and the BlackShadow and both have worked very well for me so far. I have so far only added the following external apps:
1. Ateksoft Webcamera Plus
2. Adobe Flash Lite 2.1
3. Adobe Reader LE 2
I definitely love my phone now even more so than when I first bought it when it came with WM5.
ROM, Radios, Carriers, Phones each has its own benefits, if you put some together they dnt work, you can change one thing it could work.
i can honestly say that i have only had problems with the early blacks, shadow works fine for me, wheras others worship black 2.5.
personally i always use sleuths roms they definately the fastest & most stable (for me anyway!!)
One last tip
Unless you are in the UK dont use radio 1.43 it is designed for the UK and not too good elsewhere
Newb-Tech-Realtor said:
I've tried:
Custel 2.5
ALL of the Blacks
Elf's 2.1
LVSW
Faria
I am with Custel 2.5 right now and I love it. No sleeps of death here.
I'm running:
SPB Pocket Plus
SPB Weather
SPB Phone Profile
IM+
Today Agenda
MobiReader
Google Maps (Latest Build)
MortgageCALC
After being "awake" for 12 hours, I still have 23.4 MB of memory avail. with normal usage.
I don't do any media on my phone; I don't even have the media net settings loaded to my connections. I use it strictly for business: direct push mail, text message between the contractors, phone calls, scheduling and looking up houses, google search quite a bit and the PIM software.
Perfect ROM for me:
4mb pagepool
HTweak 1.5
Windows Media Player (for ring tones only)
Office 2007
RedEdit
NO Task Manager
Java Manager
Internet Sharing
NO Streaming Media
NO Audio Manager
PocketRAR
The updated file explorer that's floating
NO Live
NO Messenger
Unfortunately I'm not a cook.
Jim
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I think my v3.0 *almost* fits your "perfect rom"
Hi all,
I've been a reader (lurker) of this forum since the 8125. I have a Hermes 100 from Cingular which I have played around with, as shown on this forum. I am trying to create a fast, multimedia phone, that runs on the Hermes. I am not a techie, like many of you who know how to program, but I do admire what you've done. I could use your help......
Recently, post the last HTC upgrade, I added Black Satin, the Iphone Slider, and SPB Shell 1.5 , Diary and Pocket Plus 4.0, just to see how things work. Some thoughts (and the questions for which I seek an answer).
Do like the Black Satin add-ons, though Black was never really my color, and the HTC Shell and Diary are nice (though with Pocket Plus, gets very bloated)...still, it runs very slow....how can I:
1. Find a basic HTC shell?
2. If I wanted to ad in an interface, would you suggest the SPB Shell 1.5 + Diary or do you think Pocket Plus 4.0 is smooth, fast and multi-talented?
3. Opera or Explorer?
4. I still cannot watch Youtube, and some websites that require flash to show videos do not like Macromedia 7.0 Flash..they say "upgrade!" Thoughts?
5. I downloaded and installed The Black Shadow Video Dial Configuration, to use 3G video phone calls. But, as I am on the Cingular network, neither my brother (with the Tilt, unlocked) or my Hermes can make video calls on the network. Advice?! This would be super cool.
6. Are there "optimal" cingular internet settings that allow fastest access, or unblocked ports for 3G vid calling, streaming etc?
7. what is the best solution in terms of Iphone like scrolling and unlock? I know 4.0 Pocket Plus has it...its just "ok"...I tried to install Slide2unlock, didn't work for me.
8. I also used RealVGA, but didnt' notice a considerable difference. Is it not there, or am I dreaming?
9. Finally, should I just sell this Hermes 100 (its a "new" refurbished one from AT&T, got it yesterday) and buy a Tilt, or can I do everything I want on this baby!? I've had this type of phoen for a half a year now.....
Wow, a lot of questions, and I know you folks could say "read the 500 pages of the forum"...trust me, I've spent hours in these threads. I would appreciate your help, and I've honestly been trying, but it gets a little too technical for me past installing Cabs and following instructions, to be honest. So, any help you can offer would be VERY greatly appreciated.
All the best, George
Ok, here are answers to some points of yours:
4) There is no flash enabled browser for Windows Mobile. Only workarounds exist for watching the flash videos off Youtube and similar pages. So you will not be able to see those pages in near future.
7)iPhone scrolling - I use fTouchFlo - it works in all of the programs but has its flaws, I use s2u2 on my Hermes with no problem. One more thing to note is that Hermes touchc screen is different form iPhone touch screen and what we have (including SPB scrolling) are workarounds that still need a time to mature.
8) RealVGA? You are missing the point - both Hermes and Tilt have QVGA screen - there is no way to get it to VGA (simply because your screen has four times less pixels than VGA screen). It will not work because it is intended for VGA devices not for QVGA we own.
This is a developer forum - if you want less technical focus you can head to HOFO or other fora... I know lots of people in here read a lot... but they do not seem to think about what they read and then they tend to have really stupid questions. If all you want is media phone go for iPhone - there will not be 3G functions - but the scrolling works - there is no hassle with third party applications and everything can be done in only one way - the Apple way. The WM platform lets you do much more but it comes at price - in here I think you should get your feet wet in some basic techie stuff other than installing CABS. Hope I helped at least little...
PS: I had a hard time being new to the WM too - it needs time - I think right now you do not know what exactly you can expect from your device.
Well, first of all:
Thank you for your reply. True, it is called XDA Developers....and I am, in fairness, not. And as for an Iphone, wouldn't touch it with a 10 ft pool - I like the flexibility of this HTC WM6 phone I have...but frankly apart from some BASIC at the age of 9-11yrs, programming is not a forte ;-)
I'll try your solution to the scrolling.....and of course, I'll keep reading, but I figured (a. You folks know this stuff so well, and b). I can't be the first person to come in with these questions. After all, It's not like I'm not trying,...I flashed something like 20 roms yesterday testing them all out! - on that note, I love your benchmark thread.
Anyway, thank you for your help and the help of anyone else who gives it!
best, George
Ehhm to put some things straight...I know even less programming than you do I have a very same opinion of an iPhone - this thing can not be called "smart" phone at all. What you stumbled upon is the fact that there are two basic groups of users of our PDA phones - first ones are user tha want their phones just work - they are not interested why something does not work, they just want a certain standard to work and as long as it does they are happy. Second group is geeks like me (and the majority of users of this forum) that are just happy to upgrade their phones to whatever newer and try it out. The problem is that for example cooked ROMS have bugs/issues (not that official ROMs have none) - issues vary from small glitches, memory leaks, not functioning buttons to random hardresets. If you go way of the cooked ROMs usually you will have to spend more time with your devices than the first group of users just to fix glitches. The other thing is that cooked ROMs and applications there can enable you do much more with your phone - for example resource hogging HTC Home plugin was not intended for Hermes, touch scroll ability as well and we can continue - but folks over here made it possible - that is what makes this forum so great. Butif you choose to go this way you will have to read, read and read again - because nothing is perfect. Our devices have limitations too - hermes processor has computing power roughly equal to Pentium 100 MHz (that is over ten years old processor for desktops) - so some tasks are hard to be adapted (that is why most of the programs we use are watered down versions of desktop programs - as well as screen size is quite limiting for browsing and so on - if you want a VGA screen than you have to count with: your device being a tad slower (4x more data to be displayed over QVGA) and also bigger battery drain (4x more pixels to power up). Said that you can get some of the things you ask for in your questions, but some are still a challenge...
Use vtap for youtube viewing. Just google it.
Opera. Definitely Opera.
Well, AT&T does not support video calls so unless you go out of the country its useless to you. Besides, your phones dont even have the front facing camera, so it would be hard to do anyways.
Mcorrie:
Thanks, I think right now, I am at:
1. A Basic Shell for speed and customization (not sure which yet)
2. Web Browser: Opera
3. YouTube Browser: VTap
4. Scrolling: TouchFlo or s2u2
5. Additional Scrolling: Possibly Touch Commander
6. Maps: Google Maps
7. Wifi Searching: WIFIFOFUM
8: Microsoft Office
9. Phone Dialer (includes 3G Video??): Unknown
10. Camera/Video Program: Unknown
11. Media Player: Unknown
As for Video Calling, I figured there was a way to bypass the Cingular restrictions, but I have not found it yet. After all, it is a pipe...so it should be possible, right?
Some more from me:
4. Scrolling: TouchFlo or s2u2 (s2u2 is only for unlocking! no other scrolling so you can use both))
5. Additional Scrolling: Possibly Touch Commander or Slither's Flash cube (the same effect, but free)
9. Phone Dialer (includes 3G Video??): Schen's Kaiser dialer 2 (or something like this)
10. Camera/Video Program: CoolCamera - this one is commercial, but best there is
11. Media Player: TCPMP 0.81 - freeware plays nearly everything: audio video, with plugin even .flv and so on...
Karhu,
Dakujem for the additions: I am also adding Radio 1.48 as that seems to be the most stable for Brooklyn, NY according to a June report....I'm going to test myself, but as of now:
1. A Basic Shell for speed and customization
2. Web Browser: Opera
3. YouTube Browser: VTap
4. Scrolling: TouchFlo and s2u2
5. Additional Scrolling: Slither’s Flash Cube or Touch Commander
6. Maps: Google Maps
7. Wifi Searching: WIFIFOFUM
8: Microsoft Office
9. Phone Dialer (includes 3G Video??): Schen's Kaiser dialer 2
10. Camera/Video Program: CoolCamera
11. Media Player: TCPMP 0.81
Now, I just need to figure out what else needs to go in this thing! Trying to avoid bloat, but don't want to leave out needed functionality! I think maybe I'll find someone's mostly stripped down Rom and just add in - its a start.
More comments:
I think if you are looking for less bloated system you should stick with basic WM5/6 look - Wisbar advance that can customize the whole look of the system runs on the top of the basic shell and thus takes up some precious RAM space. The same goes for bells and whistles like s2u2 or slither's Cube - function of s2u2 is to lock/unlock the device - but a part of the program runs in background as a service and consumes 200k of RAM even when you use the device - it is not much but as you proceed to customize the device the amount of bloat grows.
I think you should also look for some decent task managers: I personally like wktask and Quickmenu, but pBar is also nice. HTC xButton is quite a bloat in this matter. You should think what is the main purpose you will use your phone for - CoolCamera is nice but due to hardware limitation of the Hermes those pictures will always look....like taken by a phone.
When it comes to extra lite ROMs beware - they tend to have memory leaks and some Super storage ROMs even random bricking - hardreset needed to make them work again.
Several other variants:
Peek Pocket in wifi scanner (just one small exe)
Core Player instead of TCPMP (Core player is the commercial succesor of freeware TCPMP)
You should also consider some backup program if planning to fiddle more with your phone:
If you want to save your messages, mails, contacts and stuff go for free PIM Backup.
Hope that helps a little
1. Find a basic HTC shell?
What do you mean? If you want HTC TouchFLO-like shell (the basic one is TouchFLO 2D), get ThrottleLauncher. You can install TouchFLO, but you need to flash your ROM. You also can use Spb Mobile Shell 2 with Diamond theme (search Diamond theme for Spb Mobile Shell in xda-developers forum)
UPDATE : Now it's possible, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=541750 It's the TouchFLO 2D from HTC Touch2 (HTC Mega).. Download the "PATCHED MANILA FOR WM6.1 and non-HTC devices" if you have 6.0 or 6.1
2. If I wanted to ad in an interface, would you suggest the SPB Shell 1.5 + Diary or do you think Pocket Plus 4.0 is smooth, fast and multi-talented?
Spb Mobile Shell!
3. Opera or Explorer?
I usually use Explorer for short time browsing, and Opera Mobile for long time or serious browsing, because we must wait for about 5 seconds for Opera to boot up
UPDATE : With Opera Mobile 10, the Opera is not slow anymore, I'm currently using Opera Mobile 10 as my only and favourite browser on my Hermes..
4. I still cannot watch Youtube, and some websites that require flash to show videos do not like Macromedia 7.0 Flash..they say "upgrade!" Thoughts?
Download the YouTube app, you cannot view on the Windows Mobile browser..
UPDATE : With SkyFire browser, you can..
7. what is the best solution in terms of Iphone like scrolling and unlock? I know 4.0 Pocket Plus has it...its just "ok"...I tried to install Slide2unlock, didn't work for me.
Upgrade your Windows Mobile to Windows Mobile 6.1 or 6.5
UPDATE : Use Slide2Unlock2 (S2U2), it works on my Hermes (running official WM6 ROM)
8. I also used RealVGA, but didnt' notice a considerable difference. Is it not there, or am I dreaming?
Hermes's screen is QVGA (320x240), so you cannot force Windows to view VGA (640x480)
9. Finally, should I just sell this Hermes 100 (its a "new" refurbished one from AT&T, got it yesterday) and buy a Tilt, or can I do everything I want on this baby!? I've had this type of phoen for a half a year now.....
No, I think Hermes' body is more sturdy than the Tilt (Kaiser)
Epic necro. Another month and a bit and you'd have had 2 years!
Timing is everything when replying to a thread. Especially when it's almost 2 years old!
I have an unbranded TP2 with an original dutch ROM. I use TouchFlo all the time and I'm pretty happy with it (responsiveness, speed, etc). Sometimes I use an alternative GUI, like SPB Mobile Shell 3.5 with Sense le Revolution. I never use the Windows UI by itself. I deactivated push internet so as to win RAM. My normal RAM usage is about 35% and therfore my TP2 reacts crispy. With all this saisand written, is it wise to upgrade to WinMo 6.5? What do I win when I upgrade? Advice most welcome,
regards, Kuzibri
I'm sorry I can't answer your question as I haven't upgraded but can you tell me how you disabled Push Internet? Thanks
First of all, before asking questions use the search function of this forum.
If you had done that, then you would have found this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=532948
Thanks for the advice Kuzibri.
Actually, I only just discovered what a "forum" was a few days ago, this is all totally new to me. Most of it is Chinese and like learning hyrogliphics. I'm an old man now and it's all so new... so thanks for the advice. I'll try to learn how to use the Search function now.
kuzibri said:
I have an unbranded TP2 with an original dutch ROM. I use TouchFlo all the time and I'm pretty happy with it (responsiveness, speed, etc). Sometimes I use an alternative GUI, like SPB Mobile Shell 3.5 with Sense le Revolution. I never use the Windows UI by itself. I deactivated push internet so as to win RAM. My normal RAM usage is about 35% and therfore my TP2 reacts crispy. With all this saisand written, is it wise to upgrade to WinMo 6.5? What do I win when I upgrade? Advice most welcome,
regards, Kuzibri
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I upgraded to WM 6.5 when the HTC Official ROM (WWE version) became available. There are already several threads on the forum talking about people's experiences. For me personally the main gains were fixes to do with Microsoft Exchange-enforced security. I'll just quickly summarise my own experiences:
Positives:
1. Fixed the behaviour with going to Home Tab (when the Simple PIN security was active) every time the phone was turned on, and also when taking the phone away from your head to use the dialpad when in the middle of a call.
2. Fixed the wifi settings being lost on a weak signal.
3. Added cool-looking lock screen (which I actually like)
4. New "HTC Sense" version of TouchFLO - it's still Manila 2.1 but with added animated weather wallpaper, and location services (detects where you are and updates weather accordingly).
5. FM Radio is bundled as standard and it works. On WM 6.1 the FM Radio app that you could manually add in would get 'stuck' on a particular radio station. This does not happen on the WM 6.5 version.
Interesting:
1. New Hexagonal Start screen: Trying to get used to this still. The grid-style Start Menu for the WM 6.1 ROM is in a tab called 'Programs' now.
2. New behaviour with wifi: When set to 'on' in HTC's Communications manager, Wifi switches off in standby and connects again only when an app tries to access data. This can cause problems in Opera when it gets tired of waiting for wifi to connect and just times out, requiring a page refresh. See this thread on the new behaviour: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=571993
3. Windows Marketplace: I haven't used this enough to make a comment.
4. Microsoft My Phone: Installed but checks for an updated version and downloads that. You can do this on WM6.1 manually anyway.
Negatives
1. Memory usage is higher with the official WM 6.5 ROM, so deactivating Push Internet is a very good idea.
2. Apps seem to get 'killed' more easily and booted from running in the background than on the WM 6.1 Stock ROM even if there is fair amount of RAM left. See this Tilt2 thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=575663
3. Last Full Charge information does not work very well. See this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=571606
EDIT: Forgot some more points:
4. The WM6.5 ROM disables control over the which alerts flash the LED. See here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572054
5. Owner information requires a bit of fiddling around to get to: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=571198
So basically, the WM 6.5 upgrade is not perfect, but it did fix a lot of things that I found very annoying with the original ROM. My advice is that if you're happy with your current set-up, there's no rush to upgrade. For me, the fixes were worth it.
Hi monomer888,
thank you very much for your elaborate answer.
regards, Kuzibri
Nice! Thank you so much for the detailed answer!
I have been waiting for Tmo to release their official 6.5 upgrade for sometime. I used WM6.5 on tmo wing in the past and honestly wasn't that impressed (and it was earlier builds too, and locks up all the time). The one advantage of the "official rom" by tmo is that it's stable. For the past 2 months I had my TP2 I may have soft reset twice due to the phone hanging in the middle of the day and that's it. No missing important phone calls in that nature. It's just stable.
Of course wm6.5 always have something to be desired, which is the new windows button and close button, but I'll wait till it fully matures.
monomer888 said:
I upgraded to WM 6.5 when the HTC Official ROM (WWE version) became available. There are already several threads on the forum talking about people's experiences. For me personally the main gains were fixes to do with Microsoft Exchange-enforced security. I'll just quickly summarise my own experiences:
Positives:
1. Fixed the behaviour with going to Home Tab (when the Simple PIN security was active) every time the phone was turned on, and also when taking the phone away from your head to use the dialpad when in the middle of a call.
2. Fixed the wifi settings being lost on a weak signal.
3. Added cool-looking lock screen (which I actually like)
4. New "HTC Sense" version of TouchFLO - it's still Manila 2.1 but with added animated weather wallpaper, and location services (detects where you are and updates weather accordingly).
5. FM Radio is bundled as standard and it works. On WM 6.1 the FM Radio app that you could manually add in would get 'stuck' on a particular radio station. This does not happen on the WM 6.5 version.
Interesting:
1. New Hexagonal Start screen: Trying to get used to this still. The grid-style Start Menu for the WM 6.1 ROM is in a tab called 'Programs' now.
2. New behaviour with wifi: When set to 'on' in HTC's Communications manager, Wifi switches off in standby and connects again only when an app tries to access data. This can cause problems in Opera when it gets tired of waiting for wifi to connect and just times out, requiring a page refresh. See this thread on the new behaviour: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=571993
3. Windows Marketplace: I haven't used this enough to make a comment.
4. Microsoft My Phone: Installed but checks for an updated version and downloads that. You can do this on WM6.1 manually anyway.
Negatives
1. Memory usage is higher with the official WM 6.5 ROM, so deactivating Push Internet is a very good idea.
2. Apps seem to get 'killed' more easily and booted from running in the background than on the WM 6.1 Stock ROM even if there is fair amount of RAM left. See this Tilt2 thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=575663
3. Last Full Charge information does not work very well. See this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=571606
EDIT: Forgot some more points:
4. The WM6.5 ROM disables control over the which alerts flash the LED. See here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572054
5. Owner information requires a bit of fiddling around to get to: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=571198
So basically, the WM 6.5 upgrade is not perfect, but it did fix a lot of things that I found very annoying with the original ROM. My advice is that if you're happy with your current set-up, there's no rush to upgrade. For me, the fixes were worth it.
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Well, if I had more time to devote to my phone, I'd probably try a custom ROM on it. As it stands my phone functions well day-to-day and even with its faults, I love how the TP2 works.
Hi All,
I recently bought a touch pro2, it's running windows 6.5 and also has HTC sense, i stopped using sense and it free'd up 10mb on the program ram, however it was so buggy without it, for some reason, i enabled it again.
I have total 187.02mb Ram
in use: 136.99mb
Free: 50.03 mb
usually the free ram goes way down when i run an application, i currently have no programs running.
How can i increase the free space? I thought uninstalling programs and installing them onto my storage card would help, but it didn't. I'm new to the phone after a well deserved upgrade (it's been 6 years lol) I love the phone, however it's just a minor problem as sometimes it crashes and I have to take out the battery to start it back up again.
Any help would be appreciated.
I understand you can get Custom Roms, however I am quite happy with the stock, but its vodaphone, i don't know if theres any bloatware, lol and i like the facebook and all the softwares it has. I only want a minor tweak not expecting miracles, but maybe 10mb more or something on average.
Also I'm running the stock rom which is 1.86.161.0 I understand there is a newer one out, will thsi make it any faster?
You might have a memory leak somewhere, I generally idle around 57% and only hit 75% (50 mb free) with multiple programs open. You might have an issue with one of your programs causing a memory leak, what exactly do you have installed?
The new ROM may help out a little bit with your RAM usage. Also, SSK Dynamic Resource Proxy and NoPushInternet should help out if you want to try those before the new ROM.
right now im running at 74% and this seems to be the norm and even running into 80% if i open skype. basically if i open any program like camera asin 1 program at a time as well not multiple at one time, it regularly goes to 80%, I got no pushinternet, i even had cleanram, removed that cas didn't help that much as it would always go back to same old 74%, havent tried ssk dyanmic resource proxy. I am trying that now.
heres what i have installed:
*gets comfy*
Active syn
adobe reader
album
all peopel
audio booster
bubble breaker
calculator
calendar
camera
comm manager
contacts
email
excel mobile
fm radio
facebook
file explorer
getting started
google maps
htc calendar
help
internet explorer
internet sharing
jetcet presenter 5
mp3 trimmer
mail setup
marketplace
messenger
microsoft my phone
notes
02 sim
one note mobile
opera browser
phone
pictures and videos
pockettwit
pockettwit quickpost
powerpoint
quickgps
rss hub
remote desktop mobile
sim manager
sun java (gmail app in there too)
search phone
search widget
settings
skype
solitare
streaming media
tasks
teeter
text
voice recorder
windows live
windows media
word
worldcard mobile
youtube
that seems to have done it! thank you. I reset the device afterwards im running like 4 apps and its on 60% brilliant
You can also try this CAB, its not mine but I use on some ROMS, it improves a decent amount of ram if you would like to try it.
Hope it helps,
Kenichi
phoenixcg said:
that seems to have done it! thank you. I reset the device afterwards im running like 4 apps and its on 60% brilliant
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Sweet deal, glad to help out
trying that cab out as well, loll if it helps more, why not haha.
amazing its running at 55% with skype...wow haha, that feels right now.
Any idea if this would improve battery life, because if more apps were running surely it was using the cpu more or something?
I believe so, mostly I remember from the thread (forgot where it is now) is that it lowers much of RAM, but I am guessing the battery life will go up a little bit more but not much.
that improved by a percent so every little helps, hmm, the phone is on 60% anyway with wifi and 3g on all day, and plus pretty constant texting and email plus skype usage, so thats pretty alright, might try to push it tommorow. constant skyping, see how long it lasts.
Alright, I haven't been able to find anymore RAM tweaks that really improve anything, I'll post here again when something that works out.
I tried all of the above but I'm still sitting at 70% usage while idle =/
What ROM/Carrier?
Also when you continue to cache files for quick load your RAM will go up and stay up. Read the thread for joker's cab there is a lot of info about how your phone caches files.
Well Demonic240 you have to be running Manilla 2.5 or something to have such a big amount of ram running at 70%, although I have no problem with that what so ever because all your programs don't take that much RAM. If you were to have such problem with RAM then just switch to Titanium or even less RAM the windows menu screen.