Looking for opinions on Tilt II... - Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General

Hey all,
Long time lurker, first time poster...
Up until recently I've spent my phone hacking and info gathering time mostly on Howard forums as they have a little more info on my current implement of mass distraction which is not an HTC.
I am currently waiting to receive my shiny new HTC Tilt II though. It should be here by Thursday per the FedEx tracking on it.
Anyways,
I know there a lot of these out there already and I see a lot of info here, but nothing specific to what I'm looking for.
Basically, I would like to know what you all are doing with your Tilt II's.
What apps are necessities.
What will I need to fix out of the box?
I plan to eventually throw a cooked ROM on as I am currently using a 6.5.1 ROM on my Samsung Epix. No Touch Flo or Manilla though. I was running TF2 and Manilla 2.0 on a stock att 6.1 ROM for a while, but now that I have the Rhodium on the way, I took the plunge and flashed it.
So back to the Tilt II...I plan to eventually flash it, but will keep the stock ROM at least for the first few weeks to get acquainted.
So knowing that, what will I want to remove and could you possibly point me to buried posts telling how?
I've seen posts saying this phone is already app unlocked natively and then I've seen other posts stating the opposite. Will I need to app unlock the Tilt II and if so, is there a cab and where can I get it?
I saw a list of apps for the Rhodium and dug that post. Anyone have any opinions on what has worked best on the this phone?
I think those are all my questions for now...having not even played with the phone yet except for in an att store for all of about 10 minutes. I'm sure I'll have more once its in my hands.
Thanks all in advance for any answers.

I just recently returned the Pure and switched to a Tilt2
Compared to the Pure, the Tilt2 feels so much bigger and heavier, and has a better build quality in my opinion (the Pure feels like cheap plastic...:/)
Back to the topic...I flashed a custom rom within the first 3 minutes receiving the phone...but from the experience from the Pure, nothing is worth keeping on the AT&T stock rom unless you really need their apps.
If you do plan to flash to a custom rom, make sure to find the tilt2 keyboard fix (should be pretty easy to find). Some cooked roms are cooked for the Tilt2 though, for example the Fusion by Atom
Other than that it really depends on what you need

Yeah...I was torn between the two until I walked into the store and looked at them. As soon as I saw the Tilt II, I had no desire for the Pure. How can you deny all that screen real estate??? I mean, its basically a UMD with a phone built in! I think the only thing that could have made this a better phone would have been a 1gig snapdragon processor.
Thanks for pointing me to Atom for a Tilt II specific ROM. Any one recommend any other Tilt II specific ROMS?

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Thinking about about buying the TP2, gimme a hand? :D

Im considering the TP2, but im not sure, is it a good pick? and if not what else out there would you suggest before it?
MADMAN-_-zZ said:
Im considering the TP2, but im not sure, is it a good pick? and if not what else out there would you suggest before it?
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given you a hand
MADMAN-_-zZ said:
Im considering the TP2, but im not sure, is it a good pick? and if not what else out there would you suggest before it?
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it is great if you like real keyboard and big screen.
This is my 3rd Windows Mobile phone, and I also had the iPhone 3GS. This is BY FAR the best phone I have ever owend, used, or seen. I'm a picky SOB and do my research before buying anything. This is definitely the best phone, and I will continue to be an HTC customer. They got it 100% right on this one!!
best phone
I bought 2 just to play with.
I have dropped my main one on concrete probably 7 times(not on purpose), got minor dings, but no major functionality issues. flashed rom from SD card and computer probably a hundred times, Hard SPLed it while wasted drunk and still this thing is kickin.
Top notch phone would recommend!
From my point of veiw it is an awsome phone, Try to get it cheap though, as cheaply as possible, because as you probably know htc has the leo out and its only a matter of time for a leo like phone with that 1ghz processor with a keyboard attached. There are plenty of people around asking for it so its bound to happen. So Save some money where you can and buy the tp2 through a carrier and get it through someone who is gsm not cdma so when a new phone comes out you can just pop out the sim and you have a new phone
MADMAN-_-zZ said:
Im considering the TP2, but im not sure, is it a good pick? and if not what else out there would you suggest before it?
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Great phone, by far my Favorite! It is especially good with a cooked rROM with the My Location Weather in the clock. If you get it through an online retailer (not AT&T directly) with service or as an upgrade you can save some cash.
Try:
amazon
Walmart
NewEgg
can't remember some of the others.
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This is my 3rd Windows Mobile phone, and I also had the iPhone 3GS. This is BY FAR the best phone I have ever owend, used, or seen. I'm a picky SOB and do my research before buying anything. This is definitely the best phone, and I will continue to be an HTC customer. They got it 100% right on this one!!
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Agree 100%
Thanks for all the replies guys, that has sealed it, I will be getting one asap, what would you recommend me doing to it off the bat?
MADMAN-_-zZ said:
Thanks for all the replies guys, that has sealed it, I will be getting one asap, what would you recommend me doing to it off the bat?
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Nothing just use it. Then after your sure you like it Hard SPL it and try a cooked ROM. The stickies in the ROM Development forum will help you once you ready to flash some new ROMs.
RojasTKD said:
Nothing just use it. Then after your sure you like it Hard SPL it and try a cooked ROM. The stickies in the ROM Development forum will help you once you ready to flash some new ROMs.
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What exactly will the roms do for me, and is there any in particular that you would recommend?
Guess I'll be the devil's advocate. My experience with the TP2 is that it's still too slow, whether it's the OS or processor I don't know, but it needs a big boost in speed. I'm definitely grabbing a Snapdragon device when it's available because the TP2 is just a slug.
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What exactly will the roms do for me, and is there any in particular that you would recommend?
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The stock ROM that came with my AT&T Tilt 2 was actually not too bad at all. I was much quicker and responsive than I was used to on my Tilt 1, even wit it running a custom ROM.
What a ROM for the XDA "cooks" will remove a lot of bloatware from the carriers (trial app that they want you to pay for). This will free up space and resources and can help make you phone more responsive. It can also add feature from the more recent HTC TouchFlo 3D, such as the weather clock. It give you your weather in the clock and with My location service will give your the weather for where you happen to be at the moment. Other nice app included in most cooked ROMs is the Mobile WiFi app. basically allow you to turn you phone into a wireless access point.
I'm using this ROM currently:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=568233
I'd honestly say the Touch Pro2 is the best mobile device I've ever had (you can see my past devices in my signature). The screen and keyboard are the best part about the TP2, but the whole thing is near perfect. Whether you're new or old to the Windows Mobile scene, I'd say this is an excellent device which you should most certainly consider.
Hey thanks guys for answering my questions, and thanks lowteckh for giving me another opinion on the matter but, Im getting a new phone in the next two weeks and I'm sure the snapdragon will not come out by then so it will have to be the TP2.
If you particularly want a phone with a hard QWERTY keyboard that runs Windows Mobile then you should check out the Samsung B7610 (a.k.a. Omnia Pro). If you don't want a physical keyboard then you probably don't want a TP2.
There are already Snapdragon-powered devices on the market: the Toshiba TG01, and Acer F1 (a.k.a. NeoTouch) both run Windows Mobile. HTC's own HD2 will be available from T-Mobile UK on Monday. (Of course none of them have physical keyboards).
If you're in America, and you think you don't want Windows Mobile, then the Motorola Droid is worth checking out. The Palm Pre and iPhone 3GS are also worth a look.
Thanks for all the feedback guys, and I like that keyboard on the samsung, it looks solid, but im not a samsung fan . I purchased a Sprint TP2 yesterday and should be getting it soon, Im very excited
MADMAN-_-zZ said:
Thanks for all the feedback guys, and I like that keyboard on the samsung, it looks solid, but im not a samsung fan . I purchased a Sprint TP2 yesterday and should be getting it soon, Im very excited
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I have both the Moment and TP2 I have to say I love the tilt feature of the TP2 the moment has some battery issues and wifi is quirky, broswer are not good, but the App store is awesome. Tp2 best features are automatic profiling and Wifi Router, serving 3g speeds to my friend's Iphone. You made a great choice.

New Phones coming out

Hey guys,
I was just wondering what all new phones you have heard were coming out. I got a Tilt2 and seems like I have 30 days to return it. I don't really love the phone. It's still slow. Constantly locking up. Not an upgrade over my Raphael at all other than the screen.
So basically, what are new ATT phones coming out? Anything Android I should look at? Anything HTC is releasing that is actually an upgrade?
No point in flaming, I've been with the newest and latest HTC versions of phones for the last 4+ years. They have been great. But they aren't even upgrading anything anymore, and Android is passing them and at the same time being cheaper. It is unfortunate, but I thought you guys might have some opinions or rumors on new phones that were actual upgrades.
Thanks!
You can try Nokia N900
be careful of how you want people to respond. claiming software on an htc device (against another htc device) is its downfall in the xda forum will make it too easy for people to lash out against you.
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be careful of how you want people to respond. claiming software on an htc device (against another htc device) is its downfall in the xda forum will make it too easy for people to lash out against you.
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Um...Okay?
The Jack of Clubs said:
be careful of how you want people to respond. claiming software on an htc device (against another htc device) is its downfall in the xda forum will make it too easy for people to lash out against you.
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Really I mainly mean lock up as in the software can't work right because of the hardware. I'm mainly critiquing the hardware, not the software. The software would be awesome, if it had a processor to run it.
Don't all the recent HTC devices (not including HD2) have the same specs?
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Really I mainly mean lock up as in the software can't work right because of the hardware. I'm mainly critiquing the hardware, not the software. The software would be awesome, if it had a processor to run it.
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I think you mean't that the software was bad and then someone posted something slightly threatning... The truth is the software is bad. My phone locked up constantly and was awefully slow. I posted that I didn't like it and got a bunch of stupid comments but I did get a few useful ones. Here's what I did to get my phone working pretty well.
I didn't like touch flo, i thought it was slow and didn't offer things I need like tasks. I like the today screen but wanted more functionality. My answer is SPB Mobile Shell. Remove everything from the today screen and just use that. Somehow it uses memory better than touch flo or today screen. I can load the device up with running programs (like 80%) and it responds quickly. I have clearRam running at 12:15 everynight to close it all out while I'm asleep and I wake up to a fully ready to go phone...
Hope this helps...
LG Expo is out or should be out soon, it's packing a snapdragon processor, memory and RAM are the same as the tilt 2, but still it has a snapdragon. I'm also a little disappointed in HTC, i mean it's taking them 3 generations of the touch pro just to upgrade the processor, the touch pro 2 should have had at least a 600 mhz-800 mhz processor. But thats just my opinion.
schwalbach said:
Hey guys,
I was just wondering what all new phones you have heard were coming out. I got a Tilt2 and seems like I have 30 days to return it. I don't really love the phone. It's still slow. Constantly locking up. Not an upgrade over my Raphael at all other than the screen.
So basically, what are new ATT phones coming out? Anything Android I should look at? Anything HTC is releasing that is actually an upgrade?
No point in flaming, I've been with the newest and latest HTC versions of phones for the last 4+ years. They have been great. But they aren't even upgrading anything anymore, and Android is passing them and at the same time being cheaper. It is unfortunate, but I thought you guys might have some opinions or rumors on new phones that were actual upgrades.
Thanks!
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I don't know anything about the Tilt2 locking up, because, well, I had it for less than an hour before I HardSPL'ed it and flashed a custom ROM to it. It has never locked up on me even once. Funny thing, even though the processor is the same as the Fuze, my Tilt2 is a LOT faster than my Fuze. I mean a LOT. I don't quite understand it myself, but it is self-evident when I perform actions on either device. It even took about one third the time to flash the same build/date ROM (check my sig.) to my Tilt2 that it took to flash to my Fuze.
I know this isn't the point of the thread but I've had a Tilt 2 for a couple of weeks now, running the stock ROM (with tweaks and regedits) and have had no lock-ups. The phone doesn'r seem slow or laggy at all to me. I had a Fuze last year for a week but returned it because it was so bad. The Tilt 2 is a major improvement IMO.
the lg expo is just not a better phone. it has a snapdragon processor but thats not going to be what makes the phone. lg is a bad brand and makes bad products. and if you keep windows mobile but stray away from htc youll regret it. people dont make roms for many other manufacturers. you wont beable to squeeze out more performance by flashing a new rom. youll be stuck on stock with all the bloat and none of the htc enhancements. if you really want it, buy it, its not my money.
As far as I can see with new devices not any real HTC replacement for Rhodium will come till 2011, so let´s enjoy it!!
there are ways to make the rhodium better. a better camera with flash. i would have liked to have a 5mp camera as is fashionable with this generation of phones. some would say a capacitive screen but compared to the hd2 the sensitivity is close to the same. and being a business phone i think having a stylus for notes is more important. the only thing you would really want a capacitive screen for is zooming and it has a zoom bar. i secretly miss a dpad though they always disappoint a little, knowing they could be better. and the chrome could have been skipped on a bit. i love a good hardware keyboard and the touch pro 2 has the best of any phone ive ever used. i cant see myself getting rid of it since almost no phone will have anything like it.
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I don't know anything about the Tilt2 locking up, because, well, I had it for less than an hour before I HardSPL'ed it and flashed a custom ROM to it. It has never locked up on me even once. Funny thing, even though the processor is the same as the Fuze, my Tilt2 is a LOT faster than my Fuze. I mean a LOT. I don't quite understand it myself, but it is self-evident when I perform actions on either device. It even took about one third the time to flash the same build/date ROM (check my sig.) to my Tilt2 that it took to flash to my Fuze.
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So did I. The latest version of Energy does help with the lock ups, although the previous one was locking up and this one is still slow.
Not a software thing, but some examples are things like:
If I have a lot of texts, it takes forever for them to load a thread, and when I exit the person's text part it will basically take 10 seconds to get back to the list of everyones texts. Sometimes the top bar(where Start menu is) will get stuck and show things like the top-right X and the previous top bar for the last program I was in even when I'm back at the home menu. The weather animations lag everything sometimes(Sense 2.1 ones, not 2.5 because 2.5 made it lag even crazier.)
Seriously though my favorite phone was the Tilt 1. Then the Fuze just blleewww. Now this one is an upgrade and I like it better than the original Tilt, but only slightly. The hardware and specs aren't even much better at all it seems, and it simply isn't worth $500 for almost no upgrade. I've played with some of the Android/Palm/Iphone phones with better specs and stuff and everything is just snappier and smoother. Once again, its nothing our chef's can fix, just HTC isn't giving us upgrades.
So thats why I was asking if anyone had heard anything about real upgrades on ATT. Even if I have to switch to Android, just an upgrade.
I obviously think switching to another WM6.5 that isn't made by HTC is a bad idea just because of the custom ROMs, so I can only look for a better HTC phone or Android, and neither seem available.

Tilt2 good upgrade from Tilt considering Android?

Pardon me mods if I'm not in the right place, but it was my best guess based on the situation.
I'm having a hardware issue with my Tilt, and upgrade costs versus repair costs might make the Tilt2 a solid option. I know that the Tilt2's WM experience will be an improvement over the Tilt's. What I'm not sure about is Android.
My question is this - considering the very well-developed Android system over on the Kaiser/Tilt, would the Tilt2 be a naturally good upgrade? Strong points included the ability to stay with a good WM system while Android development progressed (Tilt2 is similarly strong in this regard, I'm sure), as well as the overall great job being done by the developers on these forums.
I know that some features I used often on the Tilt's Android are not quite there yet here on the Tilt2, especially GPS. I realize it's all speculation at this stage, but are there any red flags I should be aware of, any known issues that would render future development of these features impossible? I'd probably be willing to jump to the Tilt2 if the potential was strong, even if current stages are short in areas that I enjoy en everyday use. I guess I just want to make sure that there isn't anything known that would completely prevent any possibility of future development in things like GPS, BT, camera, etc.
Any thoughts/suggestions?
Meh, 50/50
Man, there are pros and cons when it comes to the Tilt 2. I absolutely loved my TyTn II. I went from it to an Iphone 3GS, and then reverted back to the Tilt 2, for lack of business-related features on the Iphone. I've had mixed emotions on my Tilt 2 ever since I first picked it up. Some days, I love it. Some days, I cant stand it. I'm keeping my fingers crossed, as I'm sure you are, on the possibility of a full-blown Android ROM that runs quick and smooth on this thing. To be completely honest, the stock Windows ROM needs tweaking just to run smoothly. On top of that, it has one of the most buggy SMS applications I have ever seen on a smartphone. I fell in love with HTC devices, and the Tilt 2 is a nice piece of hardware, but you have to do some work to get the software to where it just "fits". I am currently looking around for that "one ROM" that I will just love. And so far..... no luck.
Bottom line, the phone has amazing potential. Either it be a kick-butt Windows Mobile ROM, or a fully functional Android ROM, these will be the saviors of this device. Don't expect a warm and fuzzy feeling right out of the box, though.
That's actually really helpful, thanks for the input. Any ideas on similar devices? Just kinda weighing the options. The Pure is another upgrade possibility, and I'm sure there are more out there. That hardware keyboard on the Tilts is nice, though.
Either way, tweaking is fine with me. That's the fun, that's why I'm thinking WM/Android and avoiding the iPhone. I like the innovation and experimentation found here on XDA. I know that occasional crashes and resets come with the territory, I guess I'm mainly looking for a device that will allow me a similar level of functional flashing fun that the Kaiser did (and may still do if repair is easy).
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Man, there are pros and cons when it comes to the Tilt 2. I absolutely loved my TyTn II. I went from it to an Iphone 3GS, and then reverted back to the Tilt 2, for lack of business-related features on the Iphone. I've had mixed emotions on my Tilt 2 ever since I first picked it up. Some days, I love it. Some days, I cant stand it. I'm keeping my fingers crossed, as I'm sure you are, on the possibility of a full-blown Android ROM that runs quick and smooth on this thing. To be completely honest, the stock Windows ROM needs tweaking just to run smoothly. On top of that, it has one of the most buggy SMS applications I have ever seen on a smartphone. I fell in love with HTC devices, and the Tilt 2 is a nice piece of hardware, but you have to do some work to get the software to where it just "fits". I am currently looking around for that "one ROM" that I will just love. And so far..... no luck.
Bottom line, the phone has amazing potential. Either it be a kick-butt Windows Mobile ROM, or a fully functional Android ROM, these will be the saviors of this device. Don't expect a warm and fuzzy feeling right out of the box, though.
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Well then yeah, I would defiantly give the Tilt 2 a shot then. If your comfortable with flashing/customizing/crashing then you will be well on your way to what you want. (Wow... that's a lot of W's) I would avoid the Pure though, waaaaaay to small. OR you could hold off until the almighty Windows 7 Phone series launches. Trust me THE DAY that one is released for AT&T, the Tilt 2 will be a paperweight for a while.
You gotta remember that most of where your money is going, is to HARDWARE.
Right now, hands down, Tilt2 is the best Touch and Type device on the market. The WVGA screen combined with the best hardware keyboard of any handset, HTC or otherwise, cant be beat.
Some people don't care about the keyboard, but personally I HATE typing on a touchscreen, and I NEED my keyboard. I had a Tilt also, and I loved that phone, it made the top 25 Most Innovative Inventions of 2007-2008 list (one of those years), and the Tilt2 makes that handset look like a baby's toy. LOL (slight exaggeration)
Only thing is, Tilt2 was supposed to be last years line up, America is just slow as hell getting us handsets. There are going to be some REALLY nice Touch and Type HTC handsets coming out for 2010, you may just want to wait, and see whats in the second quarter 2010 lineup.
Thanks all. Confirmed that the Tilt2 is a nice device to be thinking of right now. I'll see how everything goes with my Tilt, and if it is indeed upgrade time, I'll probably be a Rhodium Android end-user guinea pig before long.
So just confirming, it looks like there's at least potential for fully-featured Android (GPS/WiFi/BT/Data/USB/etc.) in the future? No definitive permanent impossibilities that anyone's aware of?

current state??

hey
i think about buying a touch pro 2 and as now im running android on the htc kaiser and love it i want to have it on the touch pro 2 too
so could someone please tell me the current state?
is NAND available? so internal flash?
and are there several builds?
and how about the chiefs? are there quiet a few so the developement is fast?
and then does anyone know how the touch pro 2 is compared to the kaiser?
is it way faster and better?
thanks
nick
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=627997
the-nj said:
hey
i think about buying a touch pro 2 and as now im running android on the htc kaiser and love it i want to have it on the touch pro 2 too
so could someone please tell me the current state?
is NAND available? so internal flash?
and are there several builds?
and how about the chiefs? are there quiet a few so the developement is fast?
and then does anyone know how the touch pro 2 is compared to the kaiser?
is it way faster and better?
thanks
nick
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as far as the phone itself, the Rhodium way better than the Kaiser(i have 2 tilts also ). it has a bigger higher quality screen. more finger friendly touch screen, etc...dont get me wrong, the Kaiser(tilt) , in my opinion, was one of the first true do it all phones. i was doing everything with that phone..lol as far as Android on Rhodium concerned, You be better off reading that link that Reefer posted for ya. I have the Tilt 2 with XDAndroid AOSP 2.1 n lovin it
thanks for the replies,
about android
it doesnot seem to be a very fast developement as we have it for the kasier.
do you have just 2 different builds?
what about a sense build? because they released a new one with rosie launcher which looks very nice.
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nick
i believe theres 3 builds goin on simultaneously. the original build, then Aosp 2.1 , and the Klinux 2.1 build. of course the Rhodium isnt going to be as far along as the kaiser. the kaiser been out alot longer b4 the tilt 2. so its Android project is going to be further along in developement. the Rhodium is night and day different than the kaiser. wvga 480*800..its like Kaiser is Nintendo and Rhodium is like playstation 2 or 3..lmao
personally i would hold on to the kaiser until sound is figured out on the rhodium builds that was one of my main concerns when i bought my tilt 2 but as far as development goes Rhodium is going along rather quickly considering on how long development of 2.1 builds on kaiser with and of course Sense 2.1 is gonna be a big improvement when you do move to rhodium
okay thanks
i did buy a pt2 now but i guess then il need to stay with windows mobilke for a few month!
i just hope that the 2.1 android developements goin fast and ill do my best to help out with it!
nick
If you were buying a new phone and wanting Android, why not buy a phone with Android on it by default??
beacuse i want to have a full keyboard and ki dont like the G1
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beacuse i want to have a full keyboard and ki dont like the G1
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there is a samsung with full physical keyboard and android 2.0
i thinks time to close..
if you want to buy tp2 purely for android, why the hell would not just buy android-native phone.
no matter how good all these xda builds are, they will never be as good as running a phone designed from the ground up to run android.
even if you want keyboard, there's bunch of android phone to choose from. although with swype and similar types of input, i find myself using physical keyboard less often.
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if you want to buy tp2 purely for android, why the hell would not just buy android-native phone.
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Sprint SERO is the best answer to this one. The jump from $30/month to $60+ is quite a lot to swallow. I'm doing it for the EVO, but my wife just couldn't justify it and bought a TP2 today. She is still on WM, but hopes to be able to dual boot them both once the sound issue is resolved.
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Sprint SERO is the best answer to this one. The jump from $30/month to $60+ is quite a lot to swallow. I'm doing it for the EVO, but my wife just couldn't justify it and bought a TP2 today. She is still on WM, but hopes to be able to dual boot them both once the sound issue is resolved.
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^ I'm waiting to buy a TP2 for this port. I will NOT pay double price
Fancy_Lad said:
Sprint SERO is the best answer to this one. The jump from $30/month to $60+ is quite a lot to swallow. I'm doing it for the EVO, but my wife just couldn't justify it and bought a TP2 today. She is still on WM, but hopes to be able to dual boot them both once the sound issue is resolved.
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I'm on SERO too and upgraded to TP2, but not because of android(it wasn't released then). but again, if you want a phone to run purely android, perhaps look at diamond, i think its development state is further along than tp2.
hey,
thanks for all your advice but ive already bought the tp2...and its not just because android...i have a kaiser right now and running android on it and i just like the tp2 as the device...and not because i could run android on it...
so i just wnated to know what works and what doesnt and what build are availabe...just the current state of developement. but i think im kindof in it now and know the build availabe and as soon as we have a native bootloader for android i might run android again...but for now ill just stick with wimo
thanks
nick
mxxcon said:
if you want to buy tp2 purely for android, why the hell would not just buy android-native phone.
no matter how good all these xda builds are, they will never be as good as running a phone designed from the ground up to run android.
even if you want keyboard, there's bunch of android phone to choose from. although with swype and similar types of input, i find myself using physical keyboard less often.
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There are currently, to my knowledge, no phones that satisfy the following three requirements:
1) Keyboard (N1 doesn't have this)
2) Support for the AT&T 3G band (Everything but N1 and Backflip)
3) Non-backlevel (has to be 2.0 or greater for Android) OS release (Backflip is a cripplephone at 1.5 or 1.6)
In my case once Android for Rhodium becomes more mature, I might use it as an Android phone, but so far thanks to the lack of a phone that offers all three of my requirements above for Android, I'm sticking to the Tilt2 running a Windows Mobile EnergyROM build, which meets all three of my key requirements above.
mxxcon said:
if you want to buy tp2 purely for android, why the hell would not just buy android-native phone.
no matter how good all these xda builds are, they will never be as good as running a phone designed from the ground up to run android.
even if you want keyboard, there's bunch of android phone to choose from. although with swype and similar types of input, i find myself using physical keyboard less often.
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Here's why, at least in my case... there's no phone out right now that meet ALL the following criteria:
1.) WVGA or greater (480x800)
2.) CDMA (I'm on Sprint)
3.) Native Android (2.1+)
4.) Physical Keyboard (I hate the touchscreen keyboards, always fat fingering, I swapped my diamond for a TP1 because of this)
However, I bought my TP2 originally because I was upgrading from a TP1, never expected to use android on it, but seeing that it's SO much faster than WinMo, I would much rather use it than WinMo... Not to mention unless Windows Phone 7 is some kind of revolutionary break through (which as it seems, it looks like "too little too late") they are going to lose to Android, very quickly, so I'd rather stay ahead of the curve or at least in line with it, rather than fall behind.

TP2 reliability ?

Just ordered TP2 from Sprint, and already have reservations regarding its reliability... the problem is it's the only new smartphone with both stylus and WM, and I need both these features. Or so I think.
Anyway, I come from Axim X51v which is arguably the best PDA ever sold in States. At least after I took it apart and fixed the super-annoying battery latch issue. Also had iPaq 2215 that was very reliable. So at the very least I expect the new device to last a few months over 2 yr contract.
The only hardware problem I found for TP2 seems to be the digitizer separation / rainbow banding / newton rings whatever you want to call it. Don't know if it's a widespread issue - the poll on PPCGeeks shows 38% affected, but then we all know there's lies, damn lies, and statistics. The people who have a problem are more likely to go out and post about it.
Are there any other issues with this device ? Is the screen problem widespread ? Any reasons to stay away from it ? The other phones I looked at were HTC Hero and Samsung Moment, but both had their fair share of complaints, plus I really want to be able to use stylus and my WM applications. EVO looks great but it's too spanklng new, and I am not paying $10 a month for a privilege to not use 4G when not available.
Any info / horror stories / good experience from longtime TP2 users ?
id say get the Tilt 2 outta the bunch u named. THis is the main thing to remember, with the Tilt 2 u have a stylus and Windows Mobile. Also now u can have Android OS on it also. Now name me one Android phone that can load up WM? its the best of both worlds. best hardware keyboard around. Its a great device in my opinion. i dont have any complaints with it. There are so many tweaks that can be done to it, for optimization. A lot of people up here always saying, ohhh, its sloowww...plz....with my tweaks ive done, id pit my stock rom up against a custom one. Cuz mines is pretty damn fast. plus it takes great pix also. too much stuff to list. I only have good things to say about. nothing really bad, yet...lmao anyways, good luck on ur decision. plus if u do get a tilt 2, u dont have to flash a new rom to get faster. Ive noticed some folks here always want to recommend flashing, no matter what the problem is. You could be like, how do i set up email, and some will respond, Flash a new rom..lmfao You know what i mean. Flashing is cool though. You have to search around for the best and most stable ones that fit ur interests. if u get the tilt 2, PM me, and ill get ya up to speed very quickly.
Or Ummagumma could just flash a new custom ROM...
ultramag69 said:
Or Ummagumma could just flash a new custom ROM...
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hahahahaha
I've had the TP2 since the minute it was released and I can only say that I've been very pleased with the experience. It's smooth, stable, feels solid when you hold it, the tilt screen is a nice feature and any time I want a different look for my phone, it doesn't take too much work. I gotta say though that i've needed the stylus only a handful of times but it's nice to have. Know that if you are on a call and you take out the stylus, it automatically takes you to One Note so that you can jot down the info that you may need. While I don't know much about the other devices you mentioned, knowing what I know about the TP2 would lead me to purchase it yet again.
So, maybe it's just me, but I'm on my fifth device. T-Mobile touch pro 2, the first 2 had the rainbow banding, as you desribe it, the next 2 would often turn themselves off when opening or closing the phone.
Hoping 5th time is the charm, and all that. Though, even with all the problems and device swapping, I still wouldn't give up the phone. Best keyboard I've ever used, beating even my beloved SE P990i.
I luv my TP2! I've had it since launch-day in August.
While there have been plenty of complaints on these boards about this and that, they're almost all complaints about software...or indirectly about software as in "the software is too big for the hardware" -- stuff like that.
The vast majority of "problem" threads are issues about software.
I think it's safe to say that hardware problems are rare (except for those unfortunate few who seem jinxed).
Or Ummagumma could just flash a new custom ROM...
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U know that had me laughing hard as hell. ;-)
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