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WM6 memory leaks is worse than WM5?

I just upgraded to WM6 and I installed the same applications which were installed back when I have WM5. One of them if SpB Plus, whereby I put the RAM icon (for running program) at the 1st tab.
I noticed that after running the same applications I typically used back in WM5 (messaging, Pocket Information, SpB Insight, Phone Alarm, etc.), WM6 didn't release the memory back as much as WM5.
Example (after running the above program, then closing all of them - NOT minimizing:
WM5: ~21 Mb
WM6: ~ 18 Mb
I tried this about 4 times with 2 separate 8525, one running WM5 and the other WM6.
Forgot to mention: the file that seems to keep growing after opening/closing application is filesys, checked using MemMaid.
Anyone experienced this?

Which version of WM6 are you running?

I am using LVSW Edition (2007-03-15). I haven't tried the 2007-03-20 since I get really tried re-installing different WM6 ROM and re-installing the apps over and over again. Sooo.. I am waiting to see if other have the same problem with various version of WM6 before plunging myself for another 4 hours of reinstalling everything.

lanwarrior said:
I am using LVSW Edition (2007-03-15). I haven't tried the 2007-03-20 since I get really tried re-installing different WM6 ROM and re-installing the apps over and over again. Sooo.. I am waiting to see if other have the same problem with various version of WM6 before plunging myself for another 4 hours of reinstalling everything.
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try this ROM and let me know how you go...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1180792&postcount=1

I was about to, but I held back because I want to ask if anyone, who have either the LSV or the Black WM6 ROM can tell me if they have the same issue, simply just by looking at the RAM level.
Not that I am lazy, but I have gone on installing ROM so many times it's just not fun anymore and hoping that someone can just post about the memory issue.
UPDATE: I found out that using SkTools "FreeRam" tool, I can free up the memory, but not by much (extra ~1-2 Mb).

lanwarrior said:
I was about to, but I held back because I want to ask if anyone, who have either the LSV or the Black WM6 ROM can tell me if they have the same issue, simply just by looking at the RAM level.
Not that I am lazy, but I have gone on installing ROM so many times it's just not fun anymore and hoping that someone can just post about the memory issue.
UPDATE: I found out that using SkTools "FreeRam" tool, I can free up the memory, but not by much (extra ~1-2 Mb).
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well y dont you install the ROM... and use Task Manager to see how much memory each program is using... and do bechmark tests like every hour or so if your really worried about it that much...

Read my post above: installing ROM and re-installing everything is not a 30 minutes gig. Plus, a real testing will involve normal usage, not just running 1-2 apps and watching the screen.
I merely asking for the community assistance for those who have installed the Black version or has noticed similar problem.
Why are you giving me nasty remarks? TIred of installing ROMS?

lanwarrior said:
Read my post above: installing ROM and re-installing everything is not a 30 minutes gig. Plus, a real testing will involve normal usage, not just running 1-2 apps and watching the screen.
I merely asking for the community assistance for those who have installed the Black version or has noticed similar problem.
Why are you giving me nasty remarks? TIred of installing ROMS?
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calm down... im not giving nasty remarks...
was mierly suggesting that you try it out... and leave task manager running and open the applications you are worried about to actually see if it is releasing the memory or not...
i also am sick of flashing ROMs everyday... but thats how you get to learn about different ROMs and their flaws...

I would suggest bringing this to SPB's attention as you seem to have a difference with WM5 and WM6. If this is a must app for you, then until SPB updates their software to be more friendly with the yet-to-be release crossbow OS, you should probably stick to WM5... think of all the extra time you'll have left over to do other things than install and test... especially if it's not fun for you.
Since the first WM6 ROM was made available, I've received WM6 compatible released software from SBSH, Wisbar, CE-Star (Chinese), Conduits, and CodeCity.
Here's one example:
http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10476
We got our hands on the ROM before developers got their hands on the SDK. He got the SDK 06MAR and identified challenges posed by the new theme. 10MAR confirmed he'll a new rendering engine for the WM6 product t WBL. 16MAR released the update. Nicely done Chris.
And many thanks to the Chef's who continue releasing build improvements that address both shortcomings of the original ROM and additions that make some of the features more convenient.
Walshieau, many thanks to you also for your many informative and helpful posts and contributions to the XDA community.
Cheers to All

aquanaut88 said:
I would suggest bringing this to SPB's attention as you seem to have a difference with WM5 and WM6. If this is a must app for you, then until SPB updates their software to be more friendly with the yet-to-be release crossbow OS, you should probably stick to WM5... think of all the extra time you'll have left over to do other things than install and test... especially if it's not fun for you.
Since the first WM6 ROM was made available, I've received WM6 compatible released software from SBSH, Wisbar, CE-Star (Chinese), Conduits, and CodeCity.
Here's one example:
http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10476
We got our hands on the ROM before developers got their hands on the SDK. He got the SDK 06MAR and identified challenges posed by the new theme. 10MAR confirmed he'll a new rendering engine for the WM6 product t WBL. 16MAR released the update. Nicely done Chris.
And many thanks to the Chef's who continue releasing build improvements that address both shortcomings of the original ROM and additions that make some of the features more convenient.
Walshieau, many thanks to you also for your many informative and helpful posts and contributions to the XDA community.
Cheers to All
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happy to try and help...

I don't use SPB anything, any after about a day or so, I get about 19MB free. A fresh soft reset, gives me 25MB free.

@darkjedi
If the task manager icon is present in the settings menu (go to start>settings>system(tab)>task manager) then tick the top two boxes and when you press the X button it will actually exit the program you are using. You may have many programs running in the background which you are unaware of, by soft resetting this clears the memory and the programs present are those on startup.
@lanwarrior
Version 0.2 of WMXL has a memory cache fix cab, not sure if this will work on LVSW but it is worth a shot, the memory usage improves after installing this, might be worth a shot....if all else fails perform a hard reset and then maybe flash a different WM6 ROM (Black v1.2 or WMXL 0.2??).

I'm actually using the HTC Task Manager, and am closing the apps. I'm using LVSW 3-15-07 ROM. It's working great. It's not really a complaint honestly, just a little annoyance.

I used to love SPB Pocket Plus mainly for its X Button app, Battery meter and quick launch on today screen.
I did find it used to chomp extra resources and every time I returned to the today screen there was always a second or 2 pause while the today screen plugin refreshed.
I've since switched to Batti, Scott Seligman's Launcher and the HTC Task Manager. Same functionality but way less on system resources and memory.

gurubumsmack said:
I used to love SPB Pocket Plus mainly for its X Button app, Battery meter and quick launch on today screen.
I did find it used to chomp extra resources and every time I returned to the today screen there was always a second or 2 pause while the today screen plugin refreshed.
I've since switched to Batti, Scott Seligman's Launcher and the HTC Task Manager. Same functionality but way less on system resources and memory.
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Thanks for mentioning alternates to SPB PP, which is a disaster on Black v 1.2, in my and other's experience. I am going to get them and give them a try.

I mentioned SpB plus because I use their memory meter to monitor the memory usage for the device, irrespective of the applications, SPb or not.
I am going to remove SPB Plus, but I think this is not the primary cause. I have SpB Plus running overnight with no other applications running (today's plug-in or messaging auto-connect) and the memory usage didn't change.
I think it's more of opening and closing applications, whatever they are.
Those who are using NON-SPB applications but monitor their memory using whatever you have, let us know if the memory usage decrease far more than WM5 over time when you open and close applications.

I mentioned SpB plus because I use their memory meter to monitor the memory usage for the device, irrespective of the applications, SPb or not.
I am going to remove SPB Plus, but I think this is not the primary cause. I have SpB Plus running overnight with no other applications running (today's plug-in or messaging auto-connect) and the memory usage didn't change.
I think it's more of opening and closing applications, whatever they are.
Those who are using NON-SPB applications but monitor their memory using whatever you have, let us know if the memory usage decrease far more than WM5 over time when you open and close applications.

If you want to run SPB Pocket Plus, do not try Black edition. It has compatability issue. (I personally will not try any Black Edition again unless more than 10 people confirm the issue has solved.)
I need my phone device for work, can't be beta tester all the time...(more than 15 reflash on same Black Edition. Even the creator of ROM indicate the fixed, but he hasn'y really test it.... Personally, I like Black edition the most, but....)
I am currently running LVSW late edition, very stable. I am running OS only with more space edition. Radio 1.38.0.10 seems to enhance the battery life. Maybe I am using Black Edition's black theme.

Penske MB said:
If you want to run SPB Pocket Plus, do not try Black edition. It has compatability issue. (I personally will not try any Black Edition again unless more than 10 people confirm the issue has solved.)
I need my phone device for work, can't be beta tester all the time...(more than 15 reflash on same Black Edition. Even the creator of ROM indicate the fixed, but he hasn'y really test it.... Personally, I like Black edition the most, but....)
I am currently running LVSW late edition, very stable. I am running OS only with more space edition. Radio 1.38.0.10 seems to enhance the battery life. Maybe I am using Black Edition's black theme.
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everyone has a right to post chump... but did you try the workaround and remove the Safe Mode?
if your going to bag someone's ROM... y dont u do it in the ROM's thread insdead of cluttering others???

Penske MB said:
......can't be beta tester all the time........
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Since these cooked WM6 roms available (Vanilla, WMXL, Black, LVSW, 3DES.1) are all based on early (possibly beta) versions of WM6 you WILL be beta testing them until we can get a fully stable version.
Its thanks to hard working individuals like Kyphur, walshieau, jasjamming, lvsw, olipro, pof et all ~(apologies if ive missed anyone out that REALLY should be mentioned) that these ROMs are getting more and more stable every time a new version is released, if you dont like using them then revert back to WM5. But dont go wragging on the authors just because software DESIGNED FOR WM5 doesnt work on them.
Id suggest cooking your own WM6 version as it may help you appreciate the work put into these releases....free of charge may i add.

Pretty much the WORST messaging device ever!

I don't know why but text messages on my US TMOB TP2 make this phone one of the most irritating devices I have ever owned. I am using stock 6.1 and the device lags so incredibly it is beyond description. One of the reasons that I purchased this particular model was because I wanted to be able to bang out quick text messages hence a full qwerty keyboard. I sometimes have to wait over a minute for it to stop thinking before I can access my messaging. And god forbid I am actually trying to accomplish something when somebody interrups me with a text message. Can I down grade this to WM5? I have almost had it!!!

Is it just me, or are a large percentage of the people who complain about this phone with T-Mobile?

From my experience my unbranded TP2 is just great using hardware keyboard
Of course not better keyboard then my beloved Universal but from the new devices TP2 is the best one with kb this days

I feel ya!
Well I do not have the T-Mobile TP2 but I have a Tilt 2 and on the stock WM6.5 is could get laggy if I have a lot of messages.... try clearing your inbox and that will help out! Now that may take a while to actually do the clearing, but don't worry the device is still deleting. My recommendation would be to look around the Rhodium ROM development forum and read up on custom ROMs or maybe an official T-Mobile 6.5 ROM. I am currently using TPC's ROM which should work w/o a problem on your T-Mobile TP2!
It really is a great phone and has one of the best keyboards around imo! So if you are willing to go for it and try an after-market ROM I recommend it, and its pretty easy although ya know you run a few risks (albeit low)!
Good Luck to ya!
Oh and no I do not think WM5 is an option!

i have a tmo tp2 and i have NEVER experienced keyboard issues. You prolly have very low memory problems or cache issues...if ur getting lag you prolly need to check your memory in task mnger and see how much program memory is in usage. download app called clean ram its a good utility to clear up loose memory.Delete history in your internet browser also when need be, stuff like this for cleanin up your memory is mandatory, also see the thread about TMO keyboard fix and see if you need that cab, search rhodium app section. You may have a bad/recalled phone also so i suggest you take it back to tmo if your still having problems afterwards.

This is stock ROM for you.
I had similar issues, but a cooked WM6.5.1 ROM reduced lags considerably.
Still, Windows Mobile leaves much to be desired.

My RAM is never above 56%. I do not run many multiple apps simultaneously. This issue of mine is not keyboard related either. It is software related because it doesn't matter whether I am using the keyboard or not. It just seems like the messaging portion just has a lot of thinking to do. I tap to view something and it just stalls out. Every other app runs fairly smooth. Sending picture messages basically is a 5 minute job. Very annoying. It also doesn't matter if I am using TF3D or not.

I've not done much in the way of messaging yet, but I've noticed that anytime I let PIE or Windows Explorer do anything that requires them to access the filesystem the wait begins. I've tried tweaking the cache size with Memmaid and it helped a bit, but it's still unacceptably slow. Enough to where I never ever use Windows Explorer now, and don't let PIE access the filesystem on the SD card.
I'm not trying to hijack your thread here. I think that your problem is my problem and it has to do with a defect in our devices that causes extreme slowness when the filesystem needs to be read by the OS, or specifically how that is implemented on this particular device. My iPaq 210 has no problem, Windows Explorer on it is almost instant in reading all filesystems, even the Windows directory itself. And with any of my many CE, PPC, and WM devices I've never had a similar problem.

you got some other issues going on, the stock tmobile rom was glorious for me, although now im on a official 6.5 rom euro style. Its got nothing to do with being tmobile either, and this place is mostly gsm thats why theres mostly tmobile complaints, and its been out longer than at&ts........

i never had a problem with the stock rom for tmobile either.

Try out SMS-Chat from VITO. That thing is faster than lightening to text with.

Man, I am PRETTY sure I was reading on XDA the first week TP2 came out for Tmo about HTC sending out devices with memory error? like some devices not having as much RAM as stated? I could be wrong by try to search. Maybe it could be that? warranty what?
Oh, and I am a texting whore (10,000-15,000/month EASY) thanks to my job and lifestyle and I have tried many phones in my life...the TP2 is amazing.

My gripe with the TP2 (or TMo Vario V with a stock TMo 6.5 ROM) is the inconsistency of the UI.
I get a different texting screen if I start texting from favourite people or from the all contacts list.
The "all programs" listing is different when started from the manila tab or from the windows key/symbol. And I didn't even start ranting on the subject of the calendar ...
Robert

rfka01 said:
My gripe with the TP2 (or TMo Vario V with a stock TMo 6.5 ROM) is the inconsistency of the UI.
I get a different texting screen if I start texting from favourite people or from the all contacts list.
The "all programs" listing is different when started from the manila tab or from the windows key/symbol. And I didn't even start ranting on the subject of the calendar ...
Robert
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This is why I ditched the HTC UI ASAP and went with a custom 6.5 ROM with Titanium...thing's a beast!

Hard reset solved the problem. Thinking of custom 6.5 ROM now since TMOBUS doesn't look promising.

Mutiple programs won't stay open on my Tilt 2

I've had my Tilt 2 for several weeks now and for some reason, I cannot seem to have more than one app open at the same time. As soon as I open a second program, it kills whatever else was running.
Does anyone else have this problem or know how to fix it? I have Auto Kill disabled...
Help!?

It also happens with my Hermes and Raphael..
My Hermes (Dopod 838 pro) running official WM6 ROM
My Raphael (HTC Touch Pro) running stock WM6.1 ROM (Version 1.9)
It's a big problem, I can't keep my Twitter,downloader, and Messenger app to run at the background..

silverfoxx said:
I've had my Tilt 2 for several weeks now and for some reason, I cannot seem to have more than one app open at the same time. As soon as I open a second program, it kills whatever else was running.
Does anyone else have this problem or know how to fix it? I have Auto Kill disabled...
Help!?
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So let's say you open File Explorer. You press the Windows button. Now you open Word Mobile and make a new document. Now press the Windows button and go to Home. It still says you closed everything in the HTC Task Manager?
If so, that's weird... looks like you bought yourself an iPhone with a keyboard!

For some unknown reason Windows Mobile 6.x will only run a maximum of 32 processes at one time no matter how much RAM is free. This includes all the basic phone etc that's running.
Clever eh ?
That's some amazing forward thinking Microsoft did. It obviously didn't occur to them that someone might come along and release a device with a faster processor and a load of RAM.
Find yourself a process manager program, not the HTC taskmanager. While typing this I had a quick look and I am running 28.

As I recall, WinMo will close apps if it runs low on memory so the first thing I would do is reboot the phone and bring up task manager and see how much free memory you have left. Then keep watching memory as you do what you normally do with the phone. It's not how WinMo is supposed to act by default and my phone doesn't act that way so it's either an app, how you use it or a hardware fault.

markgamber said:
As I recall, WinMo will close apps if it runs low on memory so the first thing I would do is reboot the phone and bring up task manager and see how much free memory you have left. Then keep watching memory as you do what you normally do with the phone. It's not how WinMo is supposed to act by default and my phone doesn't act that way so it's either an app, how you use it or a hardware fault.
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Lots of threads on this, and no, it's NOT memory. It's processes.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=575663
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=600210
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=600356

Is there any solution to break this limit?
dik23 said:
For some unknown reason Windows Mobile 6.x will only run a maximum of 32 processes at one time no matter how much RAM is free. This includes all the basic phone etc that's running.
Clever eh ?
That's some amazing forward thinking Microsoft did. It obviously didn't occur to them that someone might come along and release a device with a faster processor and a load of RAM.
Find yourself a process manager program, not the HTC taskmanager. While typing this I had a quick look and I am running 28.
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Is there any solution to break this limit (32 processes)..

Not seen one. If you do plz give me a shout ! Don't even know if it'd be possible. To me it seems like it could be a Kernel level issue.

How can I see all running processes?

blowy666 said:
How can I see all running processes?
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install dotfred's taskmanager.

I use everapp.. http://www.modaco.com/content/pocke...app-v0-2-application-persistence-under-wm6-x/
it installs a service which runs when u boot up ur phone and u just add w/e programs u want to everapp and it'll keep them running in the bg..great for opera 10 which never stays open for me

try everapp, http://www.modaco.com/content/pocke...app-v0-2-application-persistence-under-wm6-x/

Hi i have tried on Omnia Pro B7610 to avoid auto-closing of apps but the result is not satisfactorie, as everapp is also stopped and besides i cant launch the app (excel or word) from the shorcut after the taskmanager autoclose these. If you have some usefull information regarding this issue i will appreciate it.

[REQUEST] Disable Windows Mobile Memory Management/Secure Apps from it

Dear experts,
Since I'm using custom Roms (with 6.5 or 6.5.x), I was asking myself why for god's sake my Browser was supposed to close in the background while I was downloading a big file or why my Windows Live Messenger is always being closed while I'm not having the focus on its window ...
Well I'm now at the point to know that Windows Mobile loves kicking Applications out of the RAM, especially when having a high memory consumption ... BUT why does it do this to apps that obviusly are supposed to be also running in the background (messenger) and also, why does it start closing applications even with more than 10% of my Ram left? I thought Ram was used to store programs in it, not to keep it empty and clean ...
So, is there ANY way to disable this "feature" that kills the possibility of multitasking? Or at least any chance to prevent Windows from always killing WLM and Opera? I already found "EverApp", but it doesn't work too nicely ... The added programs are still being closed and I cannot reopen then, as they are still present inside my memory ...
Thanks in advance!
Edit: And I totally wouldn't mind having the errors related to disabled memory management, as I have cleanram and a task manager to do that myself and would prefer it to have it that way

I am looking for a solution to this as well.
I am using an HD2 with 576MB enabled, and IMO it's unreasonable for WM (6.5.5) to close application ad libitum if I keep open:
1) tomtom
2) navicomputer
3) mortplayer
4) acr base (a background process that automatically record received and made calls)
With 576MB total ram, even with the memory taken by the OS, it's unlikely for the ram to be unsufficient to run these tasks at the same time... instead, it should be able to run at least other 2 application and have yet more to spare.
Asking the developer of the call recording software to make it into a service could be a way (and I already did), yet I cannot really have navicomputer made into a service, let alone mortplayer, and those got closed by WM as well while I was driving (imagine the trouble I had to go to start them again while holding the steering wheel, lucky me it was in a semi-traffic-jam).
Isn't there any setting to reduce the occurence of this behaviour? Has the page pool value have something to do with it in any way?
EDIT: just digged some more in the concept of pagepool. So I know what it is and how it works. Yet the mistery deepens, afailk the default pp on the leo is 15mb, some cooks set it to 22-24mb, yet very far from the ~270mb free program memory I get after boot... starting tomtom, navicomputer, mortplayer, and having acrbase in background amounts to less than 15MB of ram, go figure if it makes any sense that with 276mb starting free ram WM should close any of these apps... maybe it's all the other way, and I should have a bigger pagepool to accomodate all those applications at the same time?

pagepool is for system processes (i.e. inaccessible to you). increasing pagepool would only result in *less* memory available for your user processes, such as tomtom, navicomputer, etc.
unfortunately i have been looking for a solution to this problem for many months and it is, as far as I can tell, impossible to solve. this is, imho, the worst thing about windows mobile. they did not correctly design the core operating system and created this ugly, ugly hack to prevent the system from crashing when it runs out of memory, and as a side effect it closes your programs without saving any of their data.
an equally ugly workaround is to use XTask, and "hide" the processes that you do not want closed. you see, if they are not visible in task manager, then windows mobile does not auto-close them. they are still running and in the process list, just not the task manager list. in order to hide a process in xtask, you open up the task manager list, long-press on the task you wish to hide, and go to Other->Hide. In order to make a process visible again, you have to find it in the Process list, click on it to view its windows, and long-press on the main window of that process and choose Show. You have to do this very quickly because windows closes background tasks and not the active task, so when you open XTask, it becomes the active task and the one you are trying to hide becomes backgrounded. you have about 5 seconds to hide it before it closes. its a very convoluted process but it works. i can get my music started in kinoma, hide the task, and then open up Garmin. As long as garmin stays in the foreground everything can rock along indefinitely.

Yes, that's sounds literally obnoxious, a workaround which would be just right for a setup with an htc alpine running wm 6.5 maybe... absolutely not acceptable for devices such as rhodium or leo which have plent of resources.
I stillw onder though, I have no idea about total/free resources on tpro2, yet with ~280MB free ram, and only 15mb worth of applications in ram loaded subsequently, how can windows mobile "decide" it needs to close either one of them?
I'd like to think it was just something weird going on with that particular session, that maybe got solved after a reboot, yet I have mno way to confirm it, as I didn't need to load the same amount of applications since then

I actually have the opposite problem on my HD2 running Miri's roms -apps don't close themselves down at all most of the time, which means when I have about 5 "windows" worth of programs open (ignoring other stuff I have running as a processes), or 1 Opera Mobile 10 window my HD2 starts behaving weird and gives me errors everytime I try to start up another app unless I shutdown said memory intensive app.
Might be because I use Ameba to close down any apps I'm not using (always)... or maybe because I've set the glyph cache to 524kb like suggested in the HD2 tweak article on Pocketnow.

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Yes, that's sounds literally obnoxious, a workaround which would be just right for a setup with an htc alpine running wm 6.5 maybe... absolutely not acceptable for devices such as rhodium or leo which have plent of resources.
I stillw onder though, I have no idea about total/free resources on tpro2, yet with ~280MB free ram, and only 15mb worth of applications in ram loaded subsequently, how can windows mobile "decide" it needs to close either one of them?
I'd like to think it was just something weird going on with that particular session, that maybe got solved after a reboot, yet I have mno way to confirm it, as I didn't need to load the same amount of applications since then
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The storage manager doesn't necessarily decide to close things based on free program memory (of which you clearly have a ton), but also based on free virtual memory. You only get 32 MB per process, and if you load a bunch of dll's for resource heavy applications, you can run low on virtual memory. This is a good read on the issue. You can run virtualmemory.exe with some of your apps running to see if this is the problem.

def bookmarking this thread! i had similar questions!

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I actually have the opposite problem on my HD2 running Miri's roms -apps don't close themselves down at all most of the time, which means when I have about 5 "windows" worth of programs open (ignoring other stuff I have running as a processes), or 1 Opera Mobile 10 window my HD2 starts behaving weird and gives me errors everytime I try to start up another app unless I shutdown said memory intensive app.
Might be because I use Ameba to close down any apps I'm not using (always)... or maybe because I've set the glyph cache to 524kb like suggested in the HD2 tweak article on Pocketnow.
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I'd actually LOVE to have your same "problem"
Since WM is all about "having control", at least more than what you get with other "commercial" phones, I would prefer very much to decide which apps to keep open, which ones to *manually* close to free resources.
Just like I do with my desktop pc (did, actually... since 4GB of ram are truly hard, for my use, to fill up to the critical point even starting a ton of programs at the same time)
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The storage manager doesn't necessarily decide to close things based on free program memory (of which you clearly have a ton), but also based on free virtual memory. You only get 32 MB per process, and if you load a bunch of dll's for resource heavy applications, you can run low on virtual memory. This is a good read on the issue. You can run virtualmemory.exe with some of your apps running to see if this is the problem.
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thank you for the enlightening reference, I was actually curious to know the real reason behind this!
EDIT: (some minutes later) really interesting read, even without the need to dive into the huge two-page article linked from that page. Now at least I *know* the cause of this, and regarding this Leo I feel like having bought a ferrari which can only be fueled with a second grade combustive which can only output 50HP when in reality the engine is capable of 200. Something which is the contrary of what I was expecting from a WM device when compared to its fashion and more commercial equivalent so dear to some.
Which leads me to be curious about aussiebum's situation, where instead he appears to be able to keep opening programs without any automatic-close behaviours. It may still very well be that in the occasion where I had autoclosing problems with only a handful of apps open and running, there was something gone wrong that was solved with a reboot, I have yet to find the time and willingness to recreate the setup

so there wont be any solution for this quite anoying bug/feature?
-.-

HD2
I have a stock TMOUS HD2 and it seems to have a max open programs set to 7 somewhere and it doesnt matter how memory intensive the program is. it does get mighty slow though!

Have any of you tried AutoClosePatch ? I made that for a similar problem on the Omnia II, I have heard of people using it on the HD2 with success (i.e., it being useful). I've never really run into this problem on the HD2 itself, though.
http://www.chainfire.eu/articles/68/AutoClosePatch_1_1_released/

Chainfire said:
Have any of you tried AutoClosePatch ? I made that for a similar problem on the Omnia II, I have heard of people using it on the HD2 with success (i.e., it being useful). I've never really run into this problem on the HD2 itself, though.
http://www.chainfire.eu/articles/68/AutoClosePatch_1_1_released/
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Thank you for pointing us to yet another pearl of usefulness of your code
I will test it and I think I should be able to report the result in at least a week.
If the 15MB lower limit and 20MB upper limit do work on Leo as well, I think I will be able to start more applications together than I will ever need
EDIT: didn't make my leo explode, yet it didn't have the desired effect, alas. I could apparently keep starting apps one after another, then at a certain point I always got a system error notification about not being there enough free ram, and that for anything I tried starting no matter what it was, not even WM task manager. Even if I tried bringing back on top the already started apps by clicking on their icons gave the same error.
I uninstalled, restarted, and tried without it, and set battclock showing the free MBs of ram available. Well, after boot I have 270MB free, believe me or not I couldn't get lower than 214MB free, it kept closing down applications. That is just plain, utterly, abominously, scandalously STUPID.

Chainfire said:
Have any of you tried AutoClosePatch ? I made that for a similar problem on the Omnia II, I have heard of people using it on the HD2 with success (i.e., it being useful). I've never really run into this problem on the HD2 itself, though.
http://www.chainfire.eu/articles/68/AutoClosePatch_1_1_released/
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Gonna try this to...hope with more sucess.
>edit< ....unbelievable. IT WORKS...was searching months for a working app/tweak. Thanks chainfire...Donation is coming (=
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I might have managed to get my HTC HD2 from closing my application. I have downloaded Advanced Configuration Tool There is a section in this application called HTC Task Manager. In there I disabled Auto Kill. Only time will tell I guess.

Davearia said:
I might have managed to get my HTC HD2 from closing my application. I have downloaded Advanced Configuration Tool There is a section in this application called HTC Task Manager. In there I disabled Auto Kill. Only time will tell I guess.
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Restored a backup, to ensure that chainfires tweaks arent present.
Ure way didn't work for me.
After the 6th and 7th opend app, taskfacade & than s2p closes.

Test that:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Shell\LowMem]
"ProgramMem"=dword:0

j4n87 said:
Gonna try this to...hope with more sucess.
>edit< ....unbelievable. IT WORKS
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dang, you were luckier than me.
How did you test it exactly? Up until what free ram amount could you go to?
As I said in my previous post, I can apparently open as many apps as I want until the point I get the system insufficient memory error, and once there I cannot start anything at all, not even a task manager

Ham3r said:
Test that:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Shell\LowMem]
"ProgramMem"=dword:0
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I don't even have that key... so I suppose it's not for leo's purpose

Well, you have to keep in mind, AutoClosePatch only helps when the problem is actually the free memory.
An explanation what may also be going on is here: http://www.modaco.com/content/i8000...ying-the-virtual-memory-monster/#entry1250151
What is comes down to is that the _virtual_ memory management may run into "no available memory" even though there is more than enough _actual_ memory available, and can be dependant on the amount of DLLs and executables loaded. It is a tricky subject to fully understand, but there are a myriad of reasons why this error can occur (and AutoClosePatch only fixes one, that nevertheless is often the problem). Most of these "other" reasons are due to how WM (or our base version of CE, rather) is built. Most of these issues are fixed in later versions, of course (we are now two revisions of CE farther), but unfortunately we won't see that until WP7, which, well....

Chainfire said:
Well, you have to keep in mind, AutoClosePatch only helps when the problem is actually the free memory.
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whoops, yes, silly me; thanks for reminding me of that fact, I actually have delved a little into the problem of 32mb virtual memory limit under CE 5 core, which alas is the base for 6.5.x as well (and which is a different matter than "free ram"), and for an optimistic while I thought your utility could overcome that, forgetting you clearly stated in your blog that it addresses only the free physical ram issue.
But since I get auto-closing problems starting from more than 210MB *free* ram, it's definitely a virtual memory issue, so technically your patch doesn't interfere with that.

TP2 running v slow - how do i free up memory?

My TP2 (winmo 6.5) is running painfully slow atm - it can take 10-20 seconds do do something like load my inbox or an email..
On a quest to speed it up I was looking at the memory in use:
Total: 187.41mb
In Use: 151.36mb
Free: 36.05
which is when the device is idle with no open apps.
36MB of free memory seems appallingly low to me.
Im sure on winmo 6.1 there was a slider you could adjust how much memory is allocated to storage and how much to programs. did I imagine this or how do i find it now?
I have 259.2MB of 'Storage' memory, of which only 30MB is used, hanging onto the rest is a big waste.
Or - is there a better way to speed things up? (like install android? )

You can look through a couple other posts stating very similar characteristics. Two popular programs are the SSK Dynamic resource proxy and NoPushInternet. Both can help reduce RAM usage significantly. Another program you should look into is CleanRAM, which will clear any stacks that might not have been closed when the program was ended. If you need help finding the CABs let me know and i'll post them up.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=676277

Well I dont know which 6.5 your running but I have switched ROMS myself, I was using the EU rom for the past couple of months, and anytime I got under 40MB free memory, the TP2 would run slow and odd, I recently switched over to the SEA rom, put the exact same programs on and as of right now I am running at 27MB of free ram with nothing running, and its just as fast when its fully loaded and I have almost 87MB of free ram. but its taken 4 days to drop to 27MB, odd.

burtonsnow8 said:
You can look through a couple other posts stating very similar characteristics. Two popular programs are the SSK Dynamic resource proxy and NoPushInternet. Both can help reduce RAM usage significantly. Another program you should look into is CleanRAM, which will clear any stacks that might not have been closed when the program was ended. If you need help finding the CABs let me know and i'll post them up.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=676277
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Yeah, also by reducing the ShareMemSize (HKLM\SOFTWARE\HTC\ResProxy) to 0. So I read somehwere!

BioTecK said:
Yeah, also by reducing the ShareMemSize (HKLM\SOFTWARE\HTC\ResProxy) to 0. So I read somehwere!
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Yes, I'm pretty sure that's what the "dynamic resource proxy" cab does. I don't have my TP2 with me at the moment or I'd test to confirm.

jamesb457 said:
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Im sure on winmo 6.1 there was a slider you could adjust how much memory is allocated to storage and how much to programs. did I imagine this or how do i find it now?
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I'm afraid you are showing your age, so far as I know that slider hasn't been used since before WM5. With WM5 they went to using NVRAM for storage (flash memory if you prefer). Prior to that all WM used RAM for storage - which meant they could not be turned off without clearing everything! But in those versions (I remember WM2003 in particular), you could allocate where the ram was used - storage or programs.
I often think that in some ways those older OS were faster. I remember my XDA mini working very fast. When MS switched to non volatile storage, I think they lost a bit of speed - flash is not as fast as RAM. Of course they gained the fact that you don't have to worry about turning off the power and losing your files!