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Hey everyone.
Earlier today I switched to T-mobiles windows mobile 6.5 rom.
And since then I noticed my used memory slowly went up as I used programs and closed then.
On 6.1 (t-mobile rom) after start up I was at 56% which after a few days of use maybe went up to 60-65% tops.
On 6.5 I start with the same number, however as I use programs and close them, only a part of the used memory seems to clear up.
Right now after using 7 different programs, which I used to use on 6.1 I'm at 74% memory in use.
I've tried the memory cleaner from the rhodium software thread, which does free up some memory, 74% to 71%. However this just seems wrong in my eyes.
So does anyone have a explanation?
Prozzeh said:
Hey everyone.
Earlier today I switched to T-mobiles windows mobile 6.5 rom.
And since then I noticed my used memory slowly went up as I used programs and closed then.
On 6.1 (t-mobile rom) after start up I was at 56% which after a few days of use maybe went up to 60-65% tops.
On 6.5 I start with the same number, however as I use programs and close them, only a part of the used memory seems to clear up.
Right now after using 7 different programs, which I used to use on 6.1 I'm at 74% memory in use.
I've tried the memory cleaner from the rhodium software thread, which does free up some memory, 74% to 71%. However this just seems wrong in my eyes.
So does anyone have a explanation?
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Where did you get a T-Mobile version of WM6.5? Is that the generic HTC-released WM6.5?
The one released by T-mobile, found here.
http://www.t-mobile.nl/persoonlijk/htdocs/page/service-contact/software-updates/mda.aspx
It's their official 6.5 release.
so its for T-Mobile Neatherlands & not T-Mobile US. I'm thinking that's what MCbrian thought you had
The explanation is pretty simple
6.5 eats a lot more memory than 6.1
If you are not satisfied with the RAM eating 6.5 go back to 6.1
Or try disable manila or titanium and you´ll get more free RAM
Prozzeh said:
The one released by T-mobile, found here.
http://www.t-mobile.nl/persoonlijk/htdocs/page/service-contact/software-updates/mda.aspx
It's their official 6.5 release.
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xnifex said:
so its for T-Mobile Neatherlands & not T-Mobile US. I'm thinking that's what MCbrian thought you had
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Yes, that's what I thought...though I know that TmoUSA is just the poor cousin of Euro-Tmo
It is helpful when posters list their location and carrier in their profile/ID...but that's a personal choice.
You mean Microsoft have released software that hogs as much resource as possible ?
That's got to be a first.
So judging from what Orb3000 and dik23 said, It's perfectly normal for WM6.5 to display more memory used as more programs are used and shut down, while in the same situation 6.1 clears out the memory just fine.
Yeah, sorry, I just don't buy that at all.
Does anyone else have similar issues regarding this?
I mean this looks like some sort of memory leak to me.
Surely a memory leak would result in more and more RAM being used without opening any new application. I think you could mean bad memory management ie the OS not removing closed processes from the RAM when they're finished with. And this would only become a problem if new applications failed to start because of that.
What I was saying it's well known Microsoft like to program operating systems that like to hog as much processor time / RAM / storage space / whatever they can get. Stupid way of doing things me thinks
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What I was saying it's well known Microsoft like to program operating systems that like to hog as much processor time / RAM / storage space / whatever they can get. Stupid way of doing things me thinks
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Seems like general Microsoft-bashing is more appropriate on an iPhone or BB board.
This wasn't helpful information at all because it doesn't explain why the OP is having more memory issues than others using same/similar OS, e.g., me.
from what i've gathered from other threads & whatnot, 6.5 has the Push Internet feature on, & it takes up 10MB+ of memory, while TmoUS has it disabled. With the Push Internet enabled, it also has Opera Mobile running in the background at all times eating up more memory.
Right?
MCbrian said:
Seems like general Microsoft-bashing is more appropriate on an iPhone or BB board.
This wasn't helpful information at all because it doesn't explain why the OP is having more memory issues than others using same/similar OS, e.g., me.
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Sorry mate but it happens to be the truth. And you've not heard my iPhone bashing !
Does the lack of RAM cause any real problems apart from confusion ? I mean are you actually running out of RAM when trying to do anything ? I had a Hermes that ran out all the time and it's very annoying when the phone rings and the SatNav app dies.
If it's not actually causing any issue then ignore it. Otherwise you could get an app to clean the RAM out (like should be done by the OS). I think SKTools is a good example but it means that you have a process running and apparently some clever man decided 32 was the maximum number of processes you're allowed.
dik23 said:
Does the lack of RAM cause any real problems apart from confusion ? I mean are you actually running out of RAM when trying to do anything ? I had a Hermes that ran out all the time and it's very annoying when the phone rings and the SatNav app dies.
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Yes, I haven't gotten any real issues so far, but for instance, the youtube player refused to play movies because of the lack of memory
(It's hovering between 82-84% memory used right now, after running basically every application, which as I'll repeat once again, did not happen in 6.1)
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Otherwise you could get an app to clean the RAM out
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As stated in the opening post, I already did that.
Seeing as no one here has any concrete answers or solutions, I'll contact T-mobile and HTC tomorrow and report back here.
Good luck !
orb3000 said:
The explanation is pretty simple
6.5 eats a lot more memory than 6.1
If you are not satisfied with the RAM eating 6.5 go back to 6.1
Or try disable manila or titanium and you´ll get more free RAM
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Hello MCbrian
I read your reply on WM6.5 using up more memory than WM6.1
Wanted to know how I can switch back to WM6.1 or is there a way to control memory usage in 6.5
Nilesh
Prozzeh said:
Hey everyone.
Earlier today I switched to T-mobiles windows mobile 6.5 rom.
And since then I noticed my used memory slowly went up as I used programs and closed then.
On 6.1 (t-mobile rom) after start up I was at 56% which after a few days of use maybe went up to 60-65% tops.
On 6.5 I start with the same number, however as I use programs and close them, only a part of the used memory seems to clear up.
Right now after using 7 different programs, which I used to use on 6.1 I'm at 74% memory in use.
I've tried the memory cleaner from the rhodium software thread, which does free up some memory, 74% to 71%. However this just seems wrong in my eyes.
So does anyone have a explanation?
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Hey Prozzeh, I am facing the same problem. Did you manage to find out the solution. What you done after that.
Hey, just out of interest can anyone here give an indication of 6.5.1 RAM usage ?
I saw an advert for Windows7 whilst in town the other day. It said "Windows7 - Time to get a new PC". Yeah, because my old one won't be able to run it ! Says it all.
dik23 said:
Hey, just out of interest can anyone here give an indication of 6.5.1 RAM usage ?
I saw an advert for Windows7 whilst in town the other day. It said "Windows7 - Time to get a new PC". Yeah, because my old one won't be able to run it ! Says it all.
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And I thought the marketing droids got drunk after they came up with ideas! Whoops!
http://i37.tinypic.com/wv7uqq.jpg
lol
I know there's a thread about how to increase the speed of my Tilt2 by freeing up memory but I can't find it now. I've searched for it and can't seem to find it. As of right now I have a total of 187.07MB of program memory and 167.82MB is in use leaving me with only 19.31MB free. Can someone point me in the right direction on how to free up memory being used when there are no programs currently running.
okcboi said:
I know there's a thread about how to increase the speed of my Tilt2 by freeing up memory but I can't find it now. I've searched for it and can't seem to find it. As of right now I have a total of 187.07MB of program memory and 167.82MB is in use leaving me with only 19.31MB free. Can someone point me in the right direction on how to free up memory being used when there are no programs currently running.
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There's actually just two simple .cab files you can run on your phone that will make a big difference in the memory management on the TP2, with or without programs running. I've attached both below, just copy them to your phone, run them from there, and you should see a noticible difference in the amount of available RAM you have, whether you're running stuff or not
sirphunkee said:
There's actually just two simple .cab files you can run on your phone that will make a big difference in the memory management on the TP2, with or without programs running. I've attached both below, just copy them to your phone, run them from there, and you should see a noticible difference in the amount of available RAM you have, whether you're running stuff or not
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Thanks, so I can run them both at the same time? I thought I read somewhere about how to really close Opera cause it doesn't really close when you exit out of it, do you know where I can find that as well?
Once again thanks for the two .cab files Sirphunkee.
okcboi said:
Thanks, so I can run them both at the same time? I thought I read somewhere about how to really close Opera cause it doesn't really close when you exit out of it, do you know where I can find that as well?
Once again thanks for the two .cab files Sirphunkee.
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No prob! You actually just run each of those cabs once, one right after the other, and they make registry changes that just stay in effect after that (they're not like programs that you would have to run every time you power the phone on).
As for Opera...what version are you running, just the stock 9.5 that came with the phone? There is a manual registry tweak (I haven't seen any cabs for it) that's supposed to make it close when you hit the "x", but they don't seem to work 100% for everybody. I'd actually recommend just going and downloading the free Opera10 beta that is avaible now...it's an improvement over 9.5, and has the ability built-in to completely close it from within the app.
check out cleanram as well:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=85285
Some people have problems with resetting the UI (the phone will freeze after a couple days), I haven't experience issues, but if you do, just use the 1st option, not the 2nd or 3rd as they reset the UI.
hi guys!
is it possible to improve the multitasking performance? I often use twitter (moTweets) and Opera and Palringo simultainously, which unfortunatly always causes an automatic shutdown of all the applications. Running just one app at the same time is quite annoying. Is it possible to optimize this? (ROM: DeepShining, Manila 2.5)
thanks for your thoughts!
Opera 10 is a RAM killer.
Try Advanced Config 3.3 (you should be able to find it here or if you google it), go to HTC Task Manager - AutoKill - Disabled. HTC Task Manager will stop automatically close tasks to free up memory. Or decrease the default threshold. This may cause your device to get laggy or even freeze, but it worth a try.
slimslim said:
Try Advanced Config 3.3 (you should be able to find it here or if you google it), go to HTC Task Manager - AutoKill - Disabled. HTC Task Manager will stop automatically close tasks to free up memory. Or decrease the default threshold. This may cause your device to get laggy or even freeze, but it worth a try.
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Hi, I tried all kind of tweaks, but nothing really works. As soon as I open mail or a twitter client, the browser shuts down itself quickly. Maybe there is a specific rom, that is very handy for multitasking?
Uninstall opera 10
I don't know why people insist on using that version but it effectively renders your tp2 a non multitasking device with all the resources it eats up. 9.7 or even 9.5 is way better for the tp2 (and faster imo). version 10 seems to have been written for a desktop type of device for the amount of ram it consumes.
People are delusional and want to use it thinking its good. but its really not.
I´m using Opera Mobile 10 beta2 without any issues, yes it eats RAM, but I have plenty so no lags here.
I have tested several browsers and Opera is the best so far, so it´s ok if needs more RAM to run
orb3000 said:
I´m using Opera Mobile 10 beta2 without any issues, yes it eats RAM, but I have plenty so no lags here.
I have tested several browsers and Opera is the best so far, so it´s ok if needs more RAM to run
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I dont have a problem running opera 10 either. Its when I try to run Opera 10 and something else that I run into issues. Apperently you and I are using the same device with the same specs. I did everything suggested in your opera thread and still it eats up around 90% of the resources. If I try to open say two tabs and another program, thats when the memory issues begin. Also, it seems enourmously slower than the previsous version even on wifi. The load bar seems to sit at 50% for ever and a day while the same site on 9.7 is loaded fully in a few seconds. I firmly beliive 10 comes with a placebo effect built in.
The UI is nice, but the browser is not for a rhodium by any means. Not unless you want to turn off tf3d or run JUST the browser.
Same here, using 10 b2, no problems at all, is my main browser. Also using SPB MobileShell or Titanium helps freeing memory.
I'm using Opera 10 beta 2 and palringo both at the same time no issues, also pocketwiter with no issues so possibly is it the twitter app that is causing the problems?
I m having the same issue with both 9.7 and 10 beta 2. I cannot let Opera and IE both running even when the autokill is set to off.
I think it's not the opera's problem cause I cannot let TVUplayer and core player running together either.
TVUPlayer should be running in the background dealing with the stream data while the core player is playing in the foreground but TVU always got killed in the background.
I think TP2 doesn't have enough ram for multitasking when manila is running.
I'm fairly certain this is a ROM problem. I've experienced the same thing with all ROMs that have Sense 2.5. My applications kept getting autokilled.
This happens rarely with WinMo 6.5+Sense 2.1 ROMs. But sometimes, it does and it's very irritating.
This is one of the main reasons why I've "downgraded" back to stock WinMo 6.1 ROM. My applications never gets autokilled now. I've consistently done the following things simultaneously with no problems:
-Listen to music using the Music tab in TF3D
-Browse web using Opera 9.5
-Chat using MSN Messenger
-All while having the following applications opened: Messaging, Notes, Resco File Explorer, Calculator, Excel Mobile
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I'm fairly certain this is a ROM problem. I've experienced the same thing with all ROMs that have Sense 2.5. My applications kept getting autokilled.
This happens rarely with WinMo 6.5+Sense 2.1 ROMs. But sometimes, it does and it's very irritating.
This is one of the main reasons why I've "downgraded" back to stock WinMo 6.1 ROM. My applications never gets autokilled now. I've consistently done the following things simultaneously with no problems:
-Listen to music using the Music tab in TF3D
-Browse web using Opera 9.5
-Chat using MSN Messenger
-All while having the following applications opened: Messaging, Notes, Resco File Explorer, Calculator, Excel Mobile
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+1 on the stability and smoothness of 6.1! I honestly can't remember the last time I ran into a memory shortage, at least not to the point where anything autokilled. I often leave opera (10b3) open just to save myself the initial load time whenever I want to look something up real quick (which is often), and it's never kept me from having all the other stuff running that I usually have open:
WMP
Total Commander
File Explorer
messaging (always with active use)
calculator
and often google maps as well
The point of all this is...the cause of the issue for the OP (and many others) is just the resource consumption of the later models of WM and TF3D~Sense
How many of these threads really must exist?
It's PROCESSES, not ram... Unless you guys are doing something asinine, my Tilt 2 right now has 88M ram free, I never see less than 40M free, and I run a LOT of stuff, PocketWeather, GPSToday, a cell location upload program, plus FlexMail, Palringo, S2U2, all the while doing stuff like Twitter, FIM, PIE, Opera, whatever.
What gets you is processes. Look at some tool which will show you how many current running processes there are, I'd think any task manager can, I use MemMaid. 31 is the maximum for Windows Mobile, and I have heard when it exceeds 28 it starts killing.
My Tilt 2 had something like 25 processes at boot at first, with a few programs installed.. I had to do a bit of tweaking, but now I have it down to 22 with all of the above normal stuff running, and now I rarely have a problem with programs exiting.
khaytsus said:
How many of these threads really must exist?
It's PROCESSES, not ram... Unless you guys are doing something asinine, my Tilt 2 right now has 88M ram free, I never see less than 40M free, and I run a LOT of stuff, PocketWeather, GPSToday, a cell location upload program, plus FlexMail, Palringo, S2U2, all the while doing stuff like Twitter, FIM, PIE, Opera, whatever.
What gets you is processes. Look at some tool which will show you how many current running processes there are, I'd think any task manager can, I use MemMaid. 31 is the maximum for Windows Mobile, and I have heard when it exceeds 28 it starts killing.
My Tilt 2 had something like 25 processes at boot at first, with a few programs installed.. I had to do a bit of tweaking, but now I have it down to 22 with all of the above normal stuff running, and now I rarely have a problem with programs exiting.
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Are you sure about this.. i donth think it's the case.. it is because of the memory.. because i use fdcsoft task manager.. it shows that there are 15 processes running... but still if i open opera, palringo, gsplayer,sms and a new tab .. programs will start closing .. so if you calculate i only have 15 + 4 processes.. it's waaaay less than 31.. are there any hidden processes which i am not seeing??.. which task manger are you suing to get the no of processes??
I've also noticed that under 40 MB RAM, Opera Mobile won't even start... currently I have 17 processes runing in fdc (two of tem being Opera and fdc - just opened, so basically only 15)
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Are you sure about this.. i donth think it's the case.. it is because of the memory.. because i use fdcsoft task manager.. it shows that there are 15 processes running... but still if i open opera, palringo, gsplayer,sms and a new tab .. programs will start closing .. so if you calculate i only have 15 + 4 processes.. it's waaaay less than 31.. are there any hidden processes which i am not seeing??.. which task manger are you suing to get the no of processes??
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15 seems very low with programs running, so I'm thinking you aren't seeing the total number of processes. As I said, I use MemMaid
I use DF Task Manager & Memmaid Both have different benefits.
I also have the same issues. If I load Opera it closes everything else.
With nothing running except Manilla I onlky have 60Mb left of the original RAM. I have experimented with SPB. I if use this I start with 90Mb free.
I have tried all sorts of Manila tweaks and memory hacks to free up memory from manilla.
Nothing works.
Looks like I might have to find a ROM with 6.1 instead of 6.5.5 .
Just did a test. nothing but WM6.5, Manilla & Opera 10 running. 18Mb left. something wrong with this picture!!!
Try changing the pagepool to like 12. But you're going to have to do this before a flash. Read up on it if your interested.
Ive been a previous tilt owner for about 2 years and I just upgraded to the tilt 2. First thing I did was install spb mobile shell. I think its so much better then touchflo 3d. Im also using the kaiser tweaks. Ive never looked into using different ROM's. I think im nervous about installing something like that.
Ive noticed when leaving the phone on overnight (about 8 hours) it uses 10% battery life. The original tilt would use 1-2%. I dont have email set-up (ive heard that eats battery life), why is the phone using so much battery life?
There seems to be so much memory being used right when the phone turns on. About 113 megs. I feel like the phone runs pretty fast but I know it can run faster. Is using cooked ROM my only choice here?
I mainly use the phone for the internet and text messages. Im using opera mini 5. Is there any way delete opera mobile or is that integrated into the phone like internet explorer is? How can I make opera mini the "default" web browser?
I used the kaiser tweaks to enable HSPDA. Right after I did this, I noticed the "H" icon but after I restarted, it went away and hasnt come back? Any reason for this? I looked at the "tilt 2 data speed fix 1.0.cab" but when I goto start/settings/connections/advanced network there is no option to enable HSPDA. Only PAP and CHAP
How do I remove some of the programs on the phone that I never plan to use?
THANKS
Welcome aboard
I recommend installing a cooked ROM, it´s faster than any stock ROM and you will get rid of all garbage that slows your Rhodium.
bentz69 said:
How do I remove some of the programs on the phone that I never plan to use?
THANKS
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A lot of the programs on there (including the default opera install) are cooked into the stock ROM and are unremovable, unfortunately.
However, Crud Scraper will help clear out a lot of the stuff AT&T slipped in on top of the ROM. It won't get rid of everything you'll never use, but it can still clear a fair amount of space for you.
I'd like to add that it has been my experience, that frequent use of the internet does drain the battery much more quickly.
If you go cooked, choose your rom wisely. Some are configured more for business while others are more for fun.
I haven't done it myself, as I don't go online too much, but I have heard that sending your cache to your sd will help. Again, I haven't tried it myself, but Advanced Config (if my memory is right) does this, so does MemMaid.
Finally reclaim your ram throughout the day, shut down programs that may be running in the background, but that you are not currently using, and make minor adjustments and tweaks which will help you consume less resources, which will in turn help save your life.
Just downloaded MemMaid. Are any of these startup programs optional?
poutlook.lnk
BTTrayCE.lmk
MessageCSPTool.lnk
DelWMPTempFolder.lnk
HTCStartup.lnk
PKG.lnk
Is there any way to add Icons with shortcuts to spb mobile shell? Id like to make a youtube shortcut and even a MemMaid shortcut. All I see is "add widgets" but it doesnt allow and option to add my own
^Nevermind about the shortcut, I figured that out
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Just downloaded MemMaid. Are any of these startup programs optional?
poutlook.lnk
BTTrayCE.lmk
MessageCSPTool.lnk
DelWMPTempFolder.lnk
HTCStartup.lnk
PKG.lnk
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I do not have an answer, and welcome any chefs to address this, as I myself have wondered what things I can remove from startup!!
bentz69 said:
Just downloaded MemMaid. Are any of these startup programs optional?
poutlook.lnk
BTTrayCE.lmk
MessageCSPTool.lnk
DelWMPTempFolder.lnk
HTCStartup.lnk
PKG.lnk
Is there any way to add Icons with shortcuts to spb mobile shell? Id like to make a youtube shortcut and even a MemMaid shortcut. All I see is "add widgets" but it doesnt allow and option to add my own
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1) Needed for automatic download of e-mails.
2) Bluetooth support.
3) HTC messager.
4) Deletes WMP's temp (like it says in title)
5) Starts services that creates missing icons whatever.
6) Needed, won't recommend delete it.
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1) Needed for automatic download of e-mails.
2) Bluetooth support.
3) HTC messager.
4) Deletes WMP's temp (like it says in title)
5) Starts services that creates missing icons whatever.
6) Needed, won't recommend delete it.
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Thanks Jackos, and considering how awesome your roms have been I trust this info completely!! I appreciate you taking the time to clarify that for all of us non-chefs.
Could you please tell me what the following does, and is it safe to delete...
1-Instant Forward
2-ysrem
Thank you in advance.
You're welcome.
I don't have your shortcuts, so I assume they're from some installed programs.
From my experience you may delete all those shortcuts and the phone will boot anyway Just keep in mind that your programs may not work correctly if you delete too much
Dear experts,
Since I'm using custom Roms (with 6.5 or 6.5.x), I was asking myself why for god's sake my Browser was supposed to close in the background while I was downloading a big file or why my Windows Live Messenger is always being closed while I'm not having the focus on its window ...
Well I'm now at the point to know that Windows Mobile loves kicking Applications out of the RAM, especially when having a high memory consumption ... BUT why does it do this to apps that obviusly are supposed to be also running in the background (messenger) and also, why does it start closing applications even with more than 10% of my Ram left? I thought Ram was used to store programs in it, not to keep it empty and clean ...
So, is there ANY way to disable this "feature" that kills the possibility of multitasking? Or at least any chance to prevent Windows from always killing WLM and Opera? I already found "EverApp", but it doesn't work too nicely ... The added programs are still being closed and I cannot reopen then, as they are still present inside my memory ...
Thanks in advance!
Edit: And I totally wouldn't mind having the errors related to disabled memory management, as I have cleanram and a task manager to do that myself and would prefer it to have it that way
I am looking for a solution to this as well.
I am using an HD2 with 576MB enabled, and IMO it's unreasonable for WM (6.5.5) to close application ad libitum if I keep open:
1) tomtom
2) navicomputer
3) mortplayer
4) acr base (a background process that automatically record received and made calls)
With 576MB total ram, even with the memory taken by the OS, it's unlikely for the ram to be unsufficient to run these tasks at the same time... instead, it should be able to run at least other 2 application and have yet more to spare.
Asking the developer of the call recording software to make it into a service could be a way (and I already did), yet I cannot really have navicomputer made into a service, let alone mortplayer, and those got closed by WM as well while I was driving (imagine the trouble I had to go to start them again while holding the steering wheel, lucky me it was in a semi-traffic-jam).
Isn't there any setting to reduce the occurence of this behaviour? Has the page pool value have something to do with it in any way?
EDIT: just digged some more in the concept of pagepool. So I know what it is and how it works. Yet the mistery deepens, afailk the default pp on the leo is 15mb, some cooks set it to 22-24mb, yet very far from the ~270mb free program memory I get after boot... starting tomtom, navicomputer, mortplayer, and having acrbase in background amounts to less than 15MB of ram, go figure if it makes any sense that with 276mb starting free ram WM should close any of these apps... maybe it's all the other way, and I should have a bigger pagepool to accomodate all those applications at the same time?
pagepool is for system processes (i.e. inaccessible to you). increasing pagepool would only result in *less* memory available for your user processes, such as tomtom, navicomputer, etc.
unfortunately i have been looking for a solution to this problem for many months and it is, as far as I can tell, impossible to solve. this is, imho, the worst thing about windows mobile. they did not correctly design the core operating system and created this ugly, ugly hack to prevent the system from crashing when it runs out of memory, and as a side effect it closes your programs without saving any of their data.
an equally ugly workaround is to use XTask, and "hide" the processes that you do not want closed. you see, if they are not visible in task manager, then windows mobile does not auto-close them. they are still running and in the process list, just not the task manager list. in order to hide a process in xtask, you open up the task manager list, long-press on the task you wish to hide, and go to Other->Hide. In order to make a process visible again, you have to find it in the Process list, click on it to view its windows, and long-press on the main window of that process and choose Show. You have to do this very quickly because windows closes background tasks and not the active task, so when you open XTask, it becomes the active task and the one you are trying to hide becomes backgrounded. you have about 5 seconds to hide it before it closes. its a very convoluted process but it works. i can get my music started in kinoma, hide the task, and then open up Garmin. As long as garmin stays in the foreground everything can rock along indefinitely.
Yes, that's sounds literally obnoxious, a workaround which would be just right for a setup with an htc alpine running wm 6.5 maybe... absolutely not acceptable for devices such as rhodium or leo which have plent of resources.
I stillw onder though, I have no idea about total/free resources on tpro2, yet with ~280MB free ram, and only 15mb worth of applications in ram loaded subsequently, how can windows mobile "decide" it needs to close either one of them?
I'd like to think it was just something weird going on with that particular session, that maybe got solved after a reboot, yet I have mno way to confirm it, as I didn't need to load the same amount of applications since then
I actually have the opposite problem on my HD2 running Miri's roms -apps don't close themselves down at all most of the time, which means when I have about 5 "windows" worth of programs open (ignoring other stuff I have running as a processes), or 1 Opera Mobile 10 window my HD2 starts behaving weird and gives me errors everytime I try to start up another app unless I shutdown said memory intensive app.
Might be because I use Ameba to close down any apps I'm not using (always)... or maybe because I've set the glyph cache to 524kb like suggested in the HD2 tweak article on Pocketnow.
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Yes, that's sounds literally obnoxious, a workaround which would be just right for a setup with an htc alpine running wm 6.5 maybe... absolutely not acceptable for devices such as rhodium or leo which have plent of resources.
I stillw onder though, I have no idea about total/free resources on tpro2, yet with ~280MB free ram, and only 15mb worth of applications in ram loaded subsequently, how can windows mobile "decide" it needs to close either one of them?
I'd like to think it was just something weird going on with that particular session, that maybe got solved after a reboot, yet I have mno way to confirm it, as I didn't need to load the same amount of applications since then
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The storage manager doesn't necessarily decide to close things based on free program memory (of which you clearly have a ton), but also based on free virtual memory. You only get 32 MB per process, and if you load a bunch of dll's for resource heavy applications, you can run low on virtual memory. This is a good read on the issue. You can run virtualmemory.exe with some of your apps running to see if this is the problem.
def bookmarking this thread! i had similar questions!
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I actually have the opposite problem on my HD2 running Miri's roms -apps don't close themselves down at all most of the time, which means when I have about 5 "windows" worth of programs open (ignoring other stuff I have running as a processes), or 1 Opera Mobile 10 window my HD2 starts behaving weird and gives me errors everytime I try to start up another app unless I shutdown said memory intensive app.
Might be because I use Ameba to close down any apps I'm not using (always)... or maybe because I've set the glyph cache to 524kb like suggested in the HD2 tweak article on Pocketnow.
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I'd actually LOVE to have your same "problem"
Since WM is all about "having control", at least more than what you get with other "commercial" phones, I would prefer very much to decide which apps to keep open, which ones to *manually* close to free resources.
Just like I do with my desktop pc (did, actually... since 4GB of ram are truly hard, for my use, to fill up to the critical point even starting a ton of programs at the same time)
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The storage manager doesn't necessarily decide to close things based on free program memory (of which you clearly have a ton), but also based on free virtual memory. You only get 32 MB per process, and if you load a bunch of dll's for resource heavy applications, you can run low on virtual memory. This is a good read on the issue. You can run virtualmemory.exe with some of your apps running to see if this is the problem.
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thank you for the enlightening reference, I was actually curious to know the real reason behind this!
EDIT: (some minutes later) really interesting read, even without the need to dive into the huge two-page article linked from that page. Now at least I *know* the cause of this, and regarding this Leo I feel like having bought a ferrari which can only be fueled with a second grade combustive which can only output 50HP when in reality the engine is capable of 200. Something which is the contrary of what I was expecting from a WM device when compared to its fashion and more commercial equivalent so dear to some.
Which leads me to be curious about aussiebum's situation, where instead he appears to be able to keep opening programs without any automatic-close behaviours. It may still very well be that in the occasion where I had autoclosing problems with only a handful of apps open and running, there was something gone wrong that was solved with a reboot, I have yet to find the time and willingness to recreate the setup
so there wont be any solution for this quite anoying bug/feature?
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I have a stock TMOUS HD2 and it seems to have a max open programs set to 7 somewhere and it doesnt matter how memory intensive the program is. it does get mighty slow though!
Have any of you tried AutoClosePatch ? I made that for a similar problem on the Omnia II, I have heard of people using it on the HD2 with success (i.e., it being useful). I've never really run into this problem on the HD2 itself, though.
http://www.chainfire.eu/articles/68/AutoClosePatch_1_1_released/
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Have any of you tried AutoClosePatch ? I made that for a similar problem on the Omnia II, I have heard of people using it on the HD2 with success (i.e., it being useful). I've never really run into this problem on the HD2 itself, though.
http://www.chainfire.eu/articles/68/AutoClosePatch_1_1_released/
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Thank you for pointing us to yet another pearl of usefulness of your code
I will test it and I think I should be able to report the result in at least a week.
If the 15MB lower limit and 20MB upper limit do work on Leo as well, I think I will be able to start more applications together than I will ever need
EDIT: didn't make my leo explode, yet it didn't have the desired effect, alas. I could apparently keep starting apps one after another, then at a certain point I always got a system error notification about not being there enough free ram, and that for anything I tried starting no matter what it was, not even WM task manager. Even if I tried bringing back on top the already started apps by clicking on their icons gave the same error.
I uninstalled, restarted, and tried without it, and set battclock showing the free MBs of ram available. Well, after boot I have 270MB free, believe me or not I couldn't get lower than 214MB free, it kept closing down applications. That is just plain, utterly, abominously, scandalously STUPID.
Chainfire said:
Have any of you tried AutoClosePatch ? I made that for a similar problem on the Omnia II, I have heard of people using it on the HD2 with success (i.e., it being useful). I've never really run into this problem on the HD2 itself, though.
http://www.chainfire.eu/articles/68/AutoClosePatch_1_1_released/
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Gonna try this to...hope with more sucess.
>edit< ....unbelievable. IT WORKS...was searching months for a working app/tweak. Thanks chainfire...Donation is coming (=
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I might have managed to get my HTC HD2 from closing my application. I have downloaded Advanced Configuration Tool There is a section in this application called HTC Task Manager. In there I disabled Auto Kill. Only time will tell I guess.
Davearia said:
I might have managed to get my HTC HD2 from closing my application. I have downloaded Advanced Configuration Tool There is a section in this application called HTC Task Manager. In there I disabled Auto Kill. Only time will tell I guess.
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Restored a backup, to ensure that chainfires tweaks arent present.
Ure way didn't work for me.
After the 6th and 7th opend app, taskfacade & than s2p closes.
Test that:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Shell\LowMem]
"ProgramMem"=dword:0
j4n87 said:
Gonna try this to...hope with more sucess.
>edit< ....unbelievable. IT WORKS
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dang, you were luckier than me.
How did you test it exactly? Up until what free ram amount could you go to?
As I said in my previous post, I can apparently open as many apps as I want until the point I get the system insufficient memory error, and once there I cannot start anything at all, not even a task manager
Ham3r said:
Test that:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Shell\LowMem]
"ProgramMem"=dword:0
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I don't even have that key... so I suppose it's not for leo's purpose
Well, you have to keep in mind, AutoClosePatch only helps when the problem is actually the free memory.
An explanation what may also be going on is here: http://www.modaco.com/content/i8000...ying-the-virtual-memory-monster/#entry1250151
What is comes down to is that the _virtual_ memory management may run into "no available memory" even though there is more than enough _actual_ memory available, and can be dependant on the amount of DLLs and executables loaded. It is a tricky subject to fully understand, but there are a myriad of reasons why this error can occur (and AutoClosePatch only fixes one, that nevertheless is often the problem). Most of these "other" reasons are due to how WM (or our base version of CE, rather) is built. Most of these issues are fixed in later versions, of course (we are now two revisions of CE farther), but unfortunately we won't see that until WP7, which, well....
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Well, you have to keep in mind, AutoClosePatch only helps when the problem is actually the free memory.
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whoops, yes, silly me; thanks for reminding me of that fact, I actually have delved a little into the problem of 32mb virtual memory limit under CE 5 core, which alas is the base for 6.5.x as well (and which is a different matter than "free ram"), and for an optimistic while I thought your utility could overcome that, forgetting you clearly stated in your blog that it addresses only the free physical ram issue.
But since I get auto-closing problems starting from more than 210MB *free* ram, it's definitely a virtual memory issue, so technically your patch doesn't interfere with that.