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Theory on next ROM releases

I have a small theory as to when the next ROM updates are going to ship.
Well since the Universal is running the WM 2005 and the SP2 for Exchange already shipped, all we are missing for the push feature is the MSFP (Messaging & Security Feature Pack). SO the OEMs are dying to win corporate users to use the universal or magician, since also the fact that Blackberry might have to stop selling in the US...
Taking all that into account I would expect that iMATE & O2 are going to wait with the release to incorporate the MSFP into the ROM. T-Mobile might also this time join since they are dying to get as much bussiness customers as possible. Here in holland the MDA PRO was available to Businesss customers 2 and a half weeks before they started selling it to consumers. I can verify that because I work as an ICT manager and I was contacted by T-Mobile rep who wanted to come and deliver me the MDA PRO the next day if I agree to take a subscription. I have refused that since we use KPN and UMTS and t-mobile has no UMTS yet. But knowing t-mobile maybe they still are going to let the chance go.
Also this is the reason the QTEK has not released their device at least here in the NL you can not get it yet it is expected in the end of November. the Qtek 9100 (magician) is already in the shops but that device is meant for consumer market. the QTEK 9000 is the business device and I think (maybe I am wrong) it will ship already with the MSFP in it. As I remember reading Microsoft should release the MSFP in the first half of November...
PLease feel free to comment critisize etc. But keep in mind this is just a theory...I might have some facts wrong!

Oh Yea I forgot Orange which is also not yet released at least here in the NL

My theory has just received a blow...
I have just seen two online stores in NL claiming to have the QTEK 9000 in stock. Although on the www.qtek.nl the device is only mentioned that it exist and further no aditional info. And this coming from the site which was the first one to post the 3D anymation of the QTEK 9100.
I have to look into this first thing monday, if they realy have them in stock.
P.S. For those interrested the two stores are:
www.smartphonestunts.nl & www.smartphoneshop.nl

I believe that all operators are waiting for MS to supply the update before they can mess it up a little then distribute it.
And it could also be that MS are holding off the release until the security pack and activesync issues are resolved.

Yea the Operators are real stupid, I mean there is ready device software why stick your own crap in there.
About the MSFP: On the dutch Pocket PC site www.pocketinfo.nl there is an offer to buy the KJAM plus a year sunscription including the push functionality. In small letters they write that for the real push functionality you have to wait for the MSFP to be released untill then the users are more then welcome to sync on schedule.
Anyhow I hope the MSFP is real close since this offer has just appeared now so I guess they know more then we do.

actually i'm thinking that the new ROMs are o their way because MS has done their homework (you cannot release only half of the package) so it's up to the HTC to finish the ROM then up to the carriers to provide it to us.

I'm afraid MS HAS done half the job, again.
MSFP is RTM as of the 4th Nov, according to my contact.
Question is, how long will it take the likes of Orange to incorporate it? Blummin long time I reckon.
F.

Is there anyone with an MSDN license ?? I beleive you could get it there

Nope, it's not on MSDN Sub Downloads.
It's got to be integrated with the providers' software (ROMs) so they only supply it to the providers. With the exception of those who were on the Windows Mobile Beta program, but if you stuck a copy of (I thinkk it's called Crossbow, the next version) on your machine most features wouldn't work I suspect!
We're at the mercy of buttholes like Orange.
F.

Well that sounds really disturbing. what if I want to deploy the feature enterprise wide. I mean I am myself an ICT Manager but our company is too small to pull a muscle but large multinationals are then also at the mercy of the operators or shall I say buttholes?

Aye, it seems that way.
Problem is, I can't get any decent info from MS about it, and Orange say that there's nobody to ask there - even the data guys, who apparently "have access to almost every system in the company", are not told about ROM updates until they're on the website!
We'll have to wait and see. As I say, I believe the MSFP went RTM last week so it might not be tooo long...
For the record, I'm an Exchange consultant and so have a vested interest in this damn push-email thing.
F.

Bad news guys ... i hope that i'm wrong.
From the Microsoft Launch of VS2005 today in Milano seems that the new features will be available only from 2006 , meaning that we can only hope for ROM updates without the security and exchange improvements.ùù
As an additional info ... the italian Jasjar is real, brought by TIM. It has the italian ROM version.

We are all waiting for this ROM for the JASJAR & belive me I am checking the site of imate three times daily!

It's June, where is the HTC update?

I had loads of fun with all the great WM6 version we tried this months. But after nearly a year with my TYTN, would be nice and fair to finally see a downloadable update from HTC site. A Vista updater without hacks. Not mentioning an official update in Italian.
Maybe we will quickly return to our Black or LVSM or whatever version....
Anyways, does anyone knows anything? June means 29th, just like the iPhone. Or it will be out when he will be out?
Share your knowledge.

IMHO the official update will be pants!
The only reason I cant wait for the official update is so that our Chef's can pull it apart and make something really special for us.
The current batch of WM6 roms are very close to perfect, all that is needed to make it 100% for me at the moment is a working voice dial BT solution.
My Tytn is fast and stable right now.
Jules

I just want to be able to easily update with Vista...

ZaJules said:
IMHO the official update will be pants!
The only reason I cant wait for the official update is so that our Chef's can pull it apart and make something really special for us.
The current batch of WM6 roms are very close to perfect, all that is needed to make it 100% for me at the moment is a working voice dial BT solution.
My Tytn is fast and stable right now.
Jules
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I agree totally. And btw, thanks for your BT MSV cab/procedure. Is a real PIA but it DOES work! (and I can't live with BT activation)

From everything I've heard, July is the new June...

hirowla said:
From everything I've heard, July is the new June...
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How right you are -- I've never met a tech company that missed an opportunity to miss a date...

well the ROM is finished and signed off... so i couldnt see why there is a delay... as most of the Operators now have the release ROM from HTC

The HTC announcement was the release of the HTC Touch
www.htctouch.com

From dopod HK, their official website says July.

Don't forget it's June for another 3 and a half weeks.

Don't you guys think HTC's CS is a bit crap. I fail to understand why did they have to start branding their own devices, when their support strategy so far seems to be pushing the customers to switch over to carrier branded devices. Cingular posted ROM upgrade quite a while ago and to get HTC's upgrade you have to send in your device to a repair center. Why wouldn't they post it online like everyone else. I think with the way things are going they won't post wm6 online as well.

This from South Africa's official supplier:
WM6.0 should be available end of July. You will be able to update your TYTN. At moment we have not yet confirmed if it will be a free upgrade or not.
Regards,
HTC Support
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WM6 upgrade will be free!
From the official dutch agency who has the all the rights to distribute HTC in the Netherlands:
"2e helft van 2007; gratis upgrades naar het nieuwe Windows Mobile 6.0 t.b.v.:
- HTC Advantage X7500
- HTC TyTN
- HTC S620
- HTC P4350
- HTC P3300
De exacte data wanneer deze upgrades beschikbaar komen is helaas nog niet bekend. Zodra beschikbaar zijn de upgrades te downloaden via HTC Downloads."
Which means: free WM6 upgrades for the models above.

Official HTC WM6 ROM in the wild
akihabaranews has recieved a hermes with the official WM6 ROM from htc, as a replacement unit!
here is the link for the pics:
http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-14251-The+HTC+Hermes+running+WM6,+soon+for+all+!!.html
it is running a radio-rom version 1.47.00.10!!!
so it looks like the release is really really near.
just wanted to let you know

ahfunaki said:
I just want to be able to easily update with Vista...
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To use CustomRUU with Vista, you only need to upgrade to WMDC 6.1. With this you can upgrade like in XP...
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/devicecenter.mspx
Regards.

jcespi2005 said:
To use CustomRUU with Vista, you only need to upgrade to WMDC 6.1. With this you can upgrade like in XP...
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/devicecenter.mspx
Regards.
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thanks a lot for the tip
I've also noticed that HTC has changed a bit the e-club update section. They are definitely preparing for the update launch (after nearly a year with no official update for HTC branded phones from their official site), such suicidal tendency was too bad to be true even for a tech company.

I never met a person who did not lie (since businesses are 'legally' people in the States). July, eh? I am betting on August or September, especially for AT&T Customers since AT&T will now be focuses on the 3Gless, GPSless, DVD Quality videoless, 5MP less iPhone. I am comparing the Apple iPhone to both the Softbank X01HT (no GPS here) and Nokia N95 which for what you are paying for the iPhone (iClone), you should get something. Maybe, in 3 or 4 generations, the iPhone (iClone) will be what the TyTN and it's variants were in 2006.
Regards

crazyut said:
I never met a person who did not lie (since businesses are 'legally' people in the States). July, eh? I am betting on August or September, especially for AT&T Customers since AT&T will now be focuses on the 3Gless, GPSless, DVD Quality videoless, 5MP less iPhone. I am comparing the Apple iPhone to both the Softbank X01HT (no GPS here) and Nokia N95 which for what you are paying for the iPhone (iClone), you should get something. Maybe, in 3 or 4 generations, the iPhone (iClone) will be what the TyTN and it's variants were in 2006.
Regards
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I wouldn't hold my breathe for the update from AT&T seeing they are getting the kaiser why update an old model...

Hi Guys,
Do you know if there will be an update for the Tmobile Mda Compact 3 ?

CUSTEL said:
I wouldn't hold my breathe for the update from AT&T seeing they are getting the kaiser why update an old model...
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I have been talking to AT&T about the kaiser and they dont know what i am talking about. Custel i just want to know how do you know its going to come out for AT&T and when?
thanks

S620 WM6?

Anyone heard anything more about the WM6 upgrades for the S620 that HTC was supposed to put out in the May/June timeframe? There's not much time left in that "frame" - was hoping to hear something by now. I'd prefer to not have to mess with trying to put the TMo ROM on there.

nop there has been no news at all keep checking this page:
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/software/

It's pretty much July. I'm expecting an update to come out yesterday.

Any other source, other than the website where we could have any more information?

Download link for T-Mobile's WM6 is here:
http://t-mobile.com/wmupgrade/
Comes with some fandango, and more t-mobile... (well, you tell me, i don't know how the HTC wm6 compares)
you can use my number:
2 m 0 r 5 a 5 e 2 r 9 y 7 c 9 e 4 o 0 s

Is it locked to T-mobile?

HTC eClub
Anybody joined the HTC eClub?
I think they are gonna distribute the WM6 that way, since I can't register my Dash there I can't confirm. Can someone with a S620 sign up and see if the update is available now?

htc club
Hi i have joined the club, as i have a HTC s620. There have been no updates as of yet. I will be checking the site most days, so as soon as i hear anything i will post here

No updates other than some audio driver. This is really getting annoying.

Does anyone know if the VoIP feature will be included with this HTC release? (I'm talking about internet calling if nobody knows what I'm talking about.)

September!!!!!!
Below is an email I just got from HTC:
The Windows Mobile 6 update will roll out from June. The provisional date for the S620 is believed to be in September. We have no more accurate information than that and as it is a provisional schedule, it is possible that if any last minute problems are encountered in the final testing phase, it may be delayed.
Thank You for your enquiry. Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your local number can be found at http://www.europe.htc.com/support/csbyphone.html
Kind regards
Khushal Hirani
HTC Europe Support
[email protected]
http://www.HTC.com

BBAdmin said:
No updates other than some audio driver. This is really getting annoying.
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It's getting worse now... I just called them again to complain, and they said that the june timeframe reffered to 'information on the upgrade to WM6' and not the upgrade itself... They told me that they expect the update now mid-september....

wmeter said:
It's getting worse now... I just called them again to complain, and they said that the june timeframe reffered to 'information on the upgrade to WM6' and not the upgrade itself... They told me that they expect the update now mid-september....
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yeh i know thats why september is in bold in the email above.

Too bad there is no real competition on the market. Otherwise I would switch now. This is pissing the customer in the face.
I really love my S620 it's great hardware but not sure if I can hold out with WM5 too much longer.

S620 upgrade WM6
I called their support line on Tuesday (July 3) and the gentleman on the phone told me to expect the WM6 update around late July. I don't think they know for sure.
If I knew how to clean a rom of all that T-Mobile garbage I'd upgrade to WM6 using the T-Mobile rom.

So, just to amuse myself (and possibly others), I called HTC's hotline again, asking when WM6 comes out for the S620. The gentleman on the phone read me the email that was sent out to the phone support folks about WM6, and it went a little something like this:
"WM6 is a big OS upgrade, and all new HTC devices are using WM6, so basically HTC is tailoring the WM6 upgrades for each of their devices that support the upgrade. The Sprint MDA upgrade for WM6 came out 2 days, however, HTC will be releasing the WM6 upgrade for the S620 at the end of July, but no later than the middle of August."
<sarcasm>
In summary, HTC is aware of our concerns and doesn't contradict themselves.
</sarcasm>

Tell them T-mobile already has released WM6 and since the device is actually made by HTC its absolutely ridiculous that T-mobile can tailor the device quicker than HTC can.
The Cavalier is out this month so I can see alot of people ebaying their S620 and going for the much more powerful S630, probably what HTC are hoping anyway and why they are delaying the update. Furthermore they probably didn't sell as many of the Vox as they would have liked because people realised that the Excalibur/Caviliar form factor is so much nicer.

indiekiduk said:
Tell them T-mobile already has released WM6 and since the device is actually made by HTC its absolutely ridiculous that T-mobile can tailor the device quicker than HTC can.
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Yes but the T-Mobile WM6 ROM is crap.
I have it on my Dash. It is full of bugs and memory leaks. I am waiting to HTC to release the S620 WM6 ROM, then I'm going to buy an S620 and ditch my Dash.
Give them time to get it right and not hastily release a buggy ROM.

This is very disappointing. I hope this is not the case with all the said upgrades.

htc is delaying it for 1 reason because they what people to get fed up and by a new phone with wm6 built in. EXAMPLE: htc x7500 which has wm5 and htc x7501 has wm6. now you can already buy the x7501 at CompUSA for $899 just check if you dont believe me. but wm6 upgrade for x7500 won't be out untill september, makes no sense to me

Windows Mobile 6.5

Ive heard its out (officially) and ive been seeing themes and such for it. Should we be upgrading our TP2? I know were suppose to get a free upgrade from 6.1, but not sure how i would get that. Ive tried to update though Windows Update on my device, but it never can get a connection (weird)

Where have you heard it's officially released? Last I heard it was early next month.
There are leaked copies around and the chefs are cooking 6.5 ROMs. I'd expect the official (free) upgrade to go up on the HTC site some days / weeks after the official release, when the carriers will release their versions is down to them
Gordon

Lyian said:
Ive heard its out (officially) and ive been seeing themes and such for it. Should we be upgrading our TP2? I know were suppose to get a free upgrade from 6.1, but not sure how i would get that. Ive tried to update though Windows Update on my device, but it never can get a connection (weird)
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6.5 is going to be released officially on October 6th. When the carriers release their own version, it will most definitely be after that date. Also, Microsoft has not once used Windows update for WM, and they won't use it to upgrade you from 6.1.
dwizzy130

so its pretty pointless to even check for updates on that hua.. fair enough.. and i didnt think they would send 6.5 though the update, just thought id check.
And it was porly the leaked roms i found stuff on.
Ahh yea,, Oct6. missed the date on it.
Windows Mobile 6.5 and Marketplace Available Oct 6

It's also been stated that HTC plans on releasing their update on that same date. Meaning that you can upgrade your unlocked/unbranded phone then. One of the advantages of not having waited for the local carriers to release their version. You don't have to wait for them to release their update either

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It's also been stated that HTC plans on releasing their update on that same date. Meaning that you can upgrade your unlocked/unbranded phone then. One of the advantages of not having waited for the local carriers to release their version. You don't have to wait for them to release their update either
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Any links where HTC has mentioned it that they intend to release it on 6th oct for everyone? i am really looking forward for it

Anyone here have a 6.5 ROM that can compare differences with 6.1? I've used 6.5 briefly on a Tilt and I'm not really seeing the benefit besides the bigger icons. TouchFlo with 6.1 on my TP2 seems to be fine to me. 6.5 seems to be a little cumbersom. What's the real benefit of 6.5 anyway? I think I'll skip and wait for 7.

Windows Mobile 6.5

I have the tp2 for tmobile i would like to know if i can get the official upgrade to 6.5. i know that tmobile doesnt plan on releasing an update anytime soon. so i would like to upgrade maybe to the officail uropean version. if anyone could please provide me a link
thank you

you will need to wait until HTC actually releases their ROM....

spoke to T-Mo USA Tech Support, Thy promise 6.5 upgrade by the end of the year. (I hope)

so much over the excitement of 6.5 being released today
Is there a 6.5 rom from xda that will work with tmobile tp2 with touchflow 3d and the weather icon on the flip clock and not lose my 3g, text, or mms and also not have buggs
Lol I feel like I'm asking for too much
Direct link if possible please......

I think it's only good it takes a while longer. maybe we can have some of the touchflow 3d 2.5 abilities extra when the update comes out. Besides the weather.

ariel123 said:
so much over the excitement of 6.5 being released today
Is there a 6.5 rom from xda that will work with tmobile tp2 with touchflow 3d and the weather icon on the flip clock and not lose my 3g, text, or mms and also not have buggs
Lol I feel like I'm asking for too much
Direct link if possible please......
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=490
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virain said:
spoke to T-Mo USA Tech Support, Thy promise 6.5 upgrade by the end of the year. (I hope)
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ha...remember Tmobile also said that the TP2 was $279.99...then a couple days later they change their minds to $349.99, And they wouldn't even budge for loyal customerssssssss.

Status on Microsoft Web Site for 6.5 update
This URL clearly identifies the Touch Pro 2 as a phone eligible for the 6.5 update but no date available as of yet:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/en-us/meet/wm65-upgrade.mspx#phoneList

Yea that list states the tp2 european version is eligible for an update but the tmobile touch pro 2 gets its own update from tmobile and so will other carriers according to the rep I spoke with from the htc hotline I really think that the european version update will come out 1st on the htc website before anyone else

Tmobile has absolutely no info about where they stand on the winmo 6.5 update. So if anyone on the phone says it will happen they are just taking a guess. Tmobile has allowed updates before with devices like the dash but they have really ignored their winmo customers this time around since they are trying to push forward with android. The last minute price change on the TP2, the lack of training for the device, and overall confusion around the product has really screwed up what would have been a good launch. Now that we have the marketplace this is completely going to change what we can do and it will in time compete with android and apple. Also I have talked to tech support many times and I am an internal employee and I am pretty disgusted with how they are dealing with customers who have bought their most expensive device. On a positive note I am very impressed with XDA developers and hope to see the official release so I can finally get the update this device deserves.

Tmobile has absolutely no info about where they stand on the winmo 6.5 update. So if anyone on the phone says it will happen they are just taking a guess. Tmobile has allowed updates before with devices like the dash but they have really ignored their winmo customers this time around since they are trying to push forward with android. The last minute price change on the TP2, the lack of training for the device, and overall confusion around the product has really screwed up what would have been a good launch. Now that we have the marketplace this is completely going to change what we can do and it will in time compete with android and apple. Also I have talked to tech support many times and I am an internal employee and I am pretty disgusted with how they are dealing with customers who have bought their most expensive device. On a positive note I am very impressed with XDA developers and hope to see the official release so I can finally get the update this device deserves.

the german t-mobile site has the 6.5 update out already. installed it yesterday...

So this update should work on tmobile tp2 usa? And can you provide the link

well i doubt it works in the US and I doubt you would want a german language version hu?
The Update for the german "MDA Vario V" (which is the TP2) is here:
http://www.t-mobile.de/fremdcontent/1,2790,131619,00.html

.... does anyone know if the htc skin in the official 6.5 upgrade will be the same as the sense interface that the HD2 has... with the panoramic kinda view in the pictures tab and all!!?

Well you can change the language but your probably right it probay won't work here