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Hi All,
I have an XDA orbit, I am wondering if it automatically tranfsers data via EDGE or the standard GPRS
It is always showing the G symbol when not connected and the G with connecting/connected arrows, But I have never seen an E logo appear in its place!
Can anyone help
Many thanks in advance
Alex (Hippy999)

Since you have a XDA Orbit, i asume your carrier is O2?
O2 does not have EDGE Technology in their GSM Network. They spent their money on establishing their UMTS Network, so with O2 you have the choice of GPRS (using their GSM Line) or UMTS.
I have the same "problem" I don't really need UMTS Speeds, but EDGE would be nice.

Actually O2 does have the Edge network. They have had this facility since the Launch of the IPhone in the UK. I quite often get the Edge icon on my phone (Orbit), however, when i come to connect it reverts back to the G for the gsm network & so im not entirely sure as to which it is utilising. I have been told that it automatically reverts to whatever network your within range of, but aint a 100% certain of this.

HSDPA Signal

After about a week plus of having my TP2, i realize that where i normally am surfing the net, i don't have HSDPA anymore. All i get is 3G. It's strange cos when i put the sim card into my TP, it gets HSDPA right away.
I've taken my TP2 out and in town, it gets HSDPA so that pretty much confirms that there is no setting problem. I've flashed with all the available Radio from the radio thread and none seem to help. I still can't get HSDPA where i'm sitting now while my TP would have full strength.
Anybody else has this problem? Is there a way to force HSDPA connection?

Anybody?
I just hard reset my TP2 and still no "H". Took the TP2 out for a drive closer to tonw and i get "H" which again means nothing is wrong with the settings portion.
Take the sim card out and put it into my TP, i get a strong full strength "H" from where my TP2 could not get
Weird & sad cos i use my data plan a lot.

Try downloading something and see if actively using the data connection switches it over from 3g to H

Let me preface by saying I don't have TP2 yet, still waiting on AT&T
I think without using something like Advanced Config (assuming there is a rhodium version), it will only show 3G even if it is in fact an HSDPA signal. You can adjust the setting with advanced config to enable the H display. But it is just enabling the icon I believe.

With the stock rom on my worldwide version it comes up with H when i use the data connection, otherwise it sits on 3g even in full reception ;- ) why i suggested it

worldwide edition is; world 3G on GSM right? where can you get that one!

Axeslocked said:
worldwide edition is; world 3G on GSM right? where can you get that one!
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Worldwide except the USA I believe. Otherwise I would have bought it long ago

dammit!
I want to upgrade to this **** from my TyTN that is falling apart but no Canada 3G until 2010 quarter 2. thats when rogers upgrades to 2100

HSDPA is 3G. Some taskbars on the Touch Pro 2 label a 3G connection as "H" or HSDPA.
You are getting the same data speeds regardless of whether the "H" or the "3G" symbol can be seen on your phone.
However if you get an "E" or a "G" that means you will get EDGE speeds and GSM speeds respectively.
The fastest is as follows from left to right: 3G > EDGE > GSM

Thanx for the reply guys.
HSDPA is faster then 3G right? Or did i get that information wrong
Anyway HSDPA is already enable in my TP2 as when i move to other locations...say closer to town, i do get "H". I just feel that the reception is not as strong as that of the TP cos at home where my TP has HSDPA connection, my TP2 does not

T-Mobile signal strength icon

The mystery of my free T-Mobile sim I ordered to evaluate the signal reception in the house has been solved, er indoors binned it as being junk mail a few days ago *cue bin raking*
The reason I asked for the sim was because the couple next door are both on t-mob and need to come outside to make calls even though the T-Mobile coverage checker threw up a 3 bar 'good' rating for both 2 & 3G signals.
Anyway, seems okay in mine (gable end), my question is that my o2 displayed a 'G' for 3G signal, this t-mob doesn't ...but if I ask it to access the web a 'G' then appears as its connecting, and when I close down the web the 'G' disappears.
In summary, when the mobs lying around doing nothing the o2 always displays the 'G', the t-mob doesn't.
Is this the norm?

A "G" displayed by itself means it's connecting via GPRS.
A mobile broadband connection is displayed as either "3G" or "H" depending on the connection type.

G is 2G or GPRS
3g would indicate 3g
H would indicated HSDPA

Cheers chaps
Changed some settings on the mob for data 'always on' and they both matched.
On hol for 10 days, will pick it back up on my return

Connection jumping from 'H' to 'G'

Had my Desire for a while now, and I'm just wondering why my internet connection jumps from 'H' straight down to 'G', seemingly bypassing 3G.
Anyone else got this happening?

this happens to me but only when im on a train which is understandable
it shouldnt happen if you are stationary
HSUPA is 3G just an enhanced version, so if you lose HSUPA it will just jump to G/E

I get H, 3G or G, I've never once seen Edge at all.

samac92 said:
I get H, 3G or G, I've never once seen Edge at all.
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That's because T-Mobile never bothered to implement EDGE on their network. As far as I'm aware, only O2 and Orange have implemented EDGE, and O2 only did it because of the original iPhone 2G contract.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
That's because T-Mobile never bothered to implement EDGE on their network. As far as I'm aware, only O2 and Orange have implemented EDGE, and O2 only did it because of the original iPhone 2G contract.
Regards,
Dave
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I see, thanks for the info.

Seen EDGE once, that's it haha
No what I mean though, is fine, I'll be getting GPRS signal pretty much anywhere I go, and should be getting H signal in city's and largely populated areas, which I do (while it is pretty flakey). But inbetween those gaps, shouldn't I be getting 3G signal, in the areas with no H?
At the moment if I have no HSPA it goes straight to G, just completely missing the 3G areas, is this normal?
Sorry, tried making myself as clear as possible here

This is common problem with the Desire. Try dialling *#*#4636#*#* and then changing from wcdma preferred GSM auto (PRL). It's helped for a few people, including myself. A search will dig up a few useful threads

weird, I only see H and E and G. Have never ever seen 3G and I monitor it closely too.

HSUPA is 3G just an enhanced version, so if you lose HSUPA it will just jump to G/E
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This. As long as you are not on an internet package that doesn't allow HSDPA then you should only see the H symbol, not 3G, when in range. Before I contacted T-mobile I was stuck on their normal Web 'n' Walk that restricted the speed so I was only ever seeing 3G. After being upgraded to the W 'n' W Plus I never see 3G anymore flick between H and G depending on my signal.

foyrtcw said:
This. As long as you are not on an internet package that doesn't allow HSDPA then you should only see the H symbol, not 3G, when in range.
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Sorry, but that is incorrect.
I'm on T-Mobile, and I regular see G, 3G, and H depending on where I am.
Right now, my phone is sitting on my desk in my office and is showing 3G. If I run a speed test, it immediately jumps to H and I get results of 1877kbps down and 476kbps up, so I'm definitely provisioned for HSDPA.
So, you can be correctly provisioned for HSDPA and still see the 3G symbol, though it would appear that this will jump to H pretty much as soon as you start using data.
Regards,
Dave

HSDPA (H) is a lot faster than 3G, but not all mobile masts have the right equipment to use it. If an HSDPA cell is available on a mast then your phone will only show H and never 3G. However, if the mast is not configured for HSDPA it will show 3G.
If a handset is connected using 3G/HSDPA and the signal is weak/lost it will drop down to 2G(G)/EDGE.
Most issues people have with the handset dropping down to 2G will be coverage/signal related. Best thing to do is try it in another area. If the connection is stable in any other place you are in then there is nothing wrong with the handset.

foxmeister said:
So, you can be correctly provisioned for HSDPA and still see the 3G symbol, though it would appear that this will jump to H pretty much as soon as you start using data.
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HSDPA is data-only so the handset will show 3G if not using data. As soon as a data connection is established/requested it will change to HSDPA (H) if it is available. 3G is for voice/texts and also data if no HSDPA is available.

samac92 said:
I get H, 3G or G, I've never once seen Edge at all.
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I only get H/G here in the UK, but a recent trip to Paris had me only on E. It's dependant on what the carrier is using.

foyrtcw said:
This. As long as you are not on an internet package that doesn't allow HSDPA then you should only see the H symbol, not 3G, when in range. Before I contacted T-mobile I was stuck on their normal Web 'n' Walk that restricted the speed so I was only ever seeing 3G. After being upgraded to the W 'n' W Plus I never see 3G anymore flick between H and G depending on my signal.
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Bull****... It is like Edge and Gprs, Edge is a "better" version of the normal Gprs, you get >Edge where ever Edge is available, otherwise normal Gprs.
Same to HSDPA and 3G (umts) thats why i get mostly 3G here and HSDPA not that often, because my Provider has bad availability of HSDPA.

All T-Mobile & Orange UK Customers Look Here!

As some of you may know, T-Mobile and Orange are merging
So what are the benefits to T-Mobile customers?
You should be able to get better coverage
Improved signal
Faster Internet
So when do you get these benefits?
NOW - and it's free
I've just done it and now instead of 3 bars i get 4
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/share/
All you have to do is turn on Data Roaming in Wireless & Network Settings

I did this yesterday, thought it would be good. Seen no difference, not a thing so far!
Anyone know how to keep an eye on if I'm on T-Mobile or Orange cell towers??
Also when you enable "Data Roaming in Wireless & Network Settings" there is a rather nasty warning about potentially incurring charges from other operators, could it hop me over onto other providers without me knowing and getting me cross-network charging? (I'll admit I don't really understand the roaming part of this)

couple of issues with this:
1) 2G roaming only until 2011
2) Orange cell will only be selected if their is zero tmobile coverage. Auto selecting best cell site for signal strength will be next year.
In other words, this is a very basic roaming service.
You can force orange service but then you will only get 2G

i did this yesterday, will be better when HSDPA is added.

At the moment, until sometime in 2011 you will only use the "other" network when you lose your existing signal completely.
In 2011 it will just give you whatever is strongest, but at the moment you have to completely lose all your existing signal.
And it only shares 2g at the moment, so you will not be able to get better 3g signals.

but still useful for those times when you do in fact lose signal or your signal is low.
and if you sign up now then you'll be ready for 2011

First quarter is when 3g/Hsdpa roaming will be enabled.
You can manually select either network at the minute tho
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

One benefit is lower power after it locks on to an Orange signal when having lost the T-Mobile signal. Otherwise, mine would be stuck with high power drain searching, checking, verifying and registering to the T-Mobile network consecutively. I definitely now have 1-3 bars with Orange when I had 0 priorly. Very happy at the move.
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Get off my network T-Mobile scum! >;P

Maybe change the title to include Orange users too?
Did scans today and its a seperate network and goes by the name: Orange T Mobile
HOW GENIUS ARE THEY?!

GANJDROID said:
Did scans today and its a seperate network and goes by the name: Orange T Mobile
HOW GENIUS ARE THEY?!
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Incorrect, it will be called 'Everything Everywhere'.
Still a crap name really but there we go.

oursoul said:
Incorrect, it will be called 'Everything Everywhere'.
Still a crap name really but there we go.
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Yes, it will be called Everything Everywhere but if you're on T-mo and sign up for this, the network will appear as "T-mobile Orange" when you're "roaming" on the Orange network. I think for Orange customers "roaming" on the T-mo network it shows as "Orange T-mobile"

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if you're on T-mo and sign up for this, the network will appear as "T-mobile Orange" when you're "roaming" on the Orange network.
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Yep, that's what I'm seeing ATM

oursoul said:
Incorrect, it will be called 'Everything Everywhere'.
Still a crap name really but there we go.
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The networks aren't merging, they'll still be seen as two seperate companies under the parent "Everything Everywhere" company AFAIK.
Also, anyone else noticed the damn Content Lock problem? :/

I stand corrected.. twice.

oursoul said:
Incorrect, it will be called 'Everything Everywhere'.
Still a crap name really but there we go.
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Their project is called Everything Everywhere, but the network that you connect to when yours has lost signal is Orange T-Mobile (and vice versa)
Edit. Nvm, didn't see someone already said this
Sent from my HTC Desire

This looks really good.
I never got a T-Mobile signal inside our local supermarket, but now got a full 4 bars under 'Orange T-Mobile'... and as soon as back home, Im back to T-Mobile again. Cool!

I sent the text to have this set up on my iPhone. To get this to work on my desire I will just need to turn on roaming and aromatic network selection won't i?
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

well orange sent me a text the other day to tell me my phone switched over to the t-mobile network for the first time...
after breaking in to a cold sweat and holding on to the nearest fixed object rather tightly, waiting for aliens to land, or the world to end...
I deleted the text and life went on as normal lol

I have just set up my phone! Hopefully this should improve Orange's poor coverage