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WM6 Rom Comparisons/Feedback

Hi,
I would like to get some peoples thoughts/feedback on the different WM6 ROMs available.
I have a Dopod 838 Pro and am probably going to flash it purely to see if any extra functionality can be gained out of it & seeing as i have Windows Vista on my Laptop, it seems logical to have WM6 on my XDA
XDA Live & LVSW seem to be looking the most populat of the current flavors around?
Any comments?
I'm actually just flashing the device now with LVSW but was reading some of the posts about XDA Live & it seems tempting...
I guess i may aswell mention i'm also testing out Telstra NextG at work, so anything which will make the radio more responsive & reliable is going to go down well in my books.
If mine goes good, then i might have to do the same for one of the managers at work who has the i-mate jasjam but with the current Telstra ROM on there it is performing like a snail in a sand pit.
All comments appreciated, seeing as i'm the guinea pig at work for most of this stuff.
Thanks.

I tried first LVSW, and run into installation trouble. I got the infamous white screen, and after I made it work, it was really slow. Maybe all my mistake, don't know. I tried than XDA Live 2, and that installed like a charm, and works like a charm, very fast. I am using it since 3 days now, and did not have a single time to soft re-set - and that was necessary with WM5 at least 3 twice a day.

Hi there,
I have notice many users with i-Mate JasJam have upgraded to WM6 Black Edition V1.2.
Anyone have any comments or comparison to the other two?
I am currently own a JasJam with WM5 - this thing runs like a dog and having to soft re-set almost everyday - I am currently considering upgrade to WM6 but really not sure which one to go for.
Any advice would be really appreciated - thanks.

See this: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/664668.html
You may have to do that reg hack to enable nextg.. that was the first thing I noticed after flashing a non standard rom.. less band options.. being on plain ole gsm, it didn't bother me.. but that's the only place I've seen mention of it.

I flashed my Dopod 838Pro with Black 1.2 and couldn't be happier. It's really quick, as stable as I noticed WM5 to be, and (being an Aussie) I prefer to have a rom which was cooked here and has carrier settings for here. This was my first experience with flashing a ROM but I only intend to flash again with a later version of the Black ROM. I'd highly recommend it.

I began with the WM6 vanilla and then went to an earlier LSVW ROM. The earlier LSVW took 25 min to flash. I hear newer version takes 40 min to flash. Some have paniced and unpluged their phones temporarily bricking them.
I went back to the vanilla ROM. It takes a little tweaking to get it right but takes only a few minutes to flash. It's also stable. One does have to move the windows office icons around to use MS office.
Remember to SIM and CID unlock your hermes before flashing. Also, you'll have to use the keyboard fix cab for certain hermes versions.

I hear newer version takes 40 min to flash. Some have paniced and unpluged their phones temporarily bricking them.
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nope...I installed the OS only version and it took about only 6 minutes to install.
you need an 'OS only' rom if you have already flashed the radio to the latest version.

WM6 Black 1.2 is the best IMHO. I used XDA Live for several weeks, but find Black more quicker and more stable, less soft resets etc.

My preference is with the latest LSVW. It has less baggage than WMBE but if you need the functionality of the extra software provided with WMBE then you should chose that.
I think there is not much difference in terms of stability between the two although there has been issues with white screen (more apparent with the LSVW apparently) tho I haven't been cursed with that yet. Most of the instability/compatibility issues lie within the software installed after flashing the OS.
If I'm correct, LSVW has not had the OS version number editted to allow BBC/GOODLINK to work on it but WMBE has. This is not an issue for me since I have no use for these programs.
There is also some more recent additions to the variety of WM6 roms tho they are based on the LSVW version.
I'm looking forwards to Jasjammings WMBE 2.0 which he claims to be based on a final version of WM6. This should be very promising and despite the various added features which I won't need I'll definately be installing.

I was using Vanilla at first, sometimes my TyTN hung up but not too often. Then XDA Live v.10, without any problems. Then I've tried Black Edition v.1.2 but it had issues with SPB Software, sop that was no good for me at all.. Now I'm trying LVSW 2007-03-26, so far so good.. but probably i will flash again to XDA Live v.30 when it's avalaible

Black Dymond or LVSW Cingular Edition

I've been using Black (and currently 3.01) but am looking at moving on. Who can give me advise on the pros and cons between Dymond and the LVSW?

If you're concerned about stability, I'd go with vp3G's version of the LVSW ROM. It's the one I keep going back to, and it has the Cingular customization already done. It's excellent work. In my testing I've found Dymond to be fairly unstable.

That is probably my biggest concern, and the reason I left the factory ROM. I'm kind of leaning the LVSW way but want to make sure I'm not passing up something good with Black Dymond. I"m starting to get tired repeatedly setting up my device with all my programs after I move to a new ROM.

mcvosi said:
If you're concerned about stability, I'd go with vp3G's version of the LVSW ROM. It's the one I keep going back to, and it has the Cingular customization already done. It's excellent work. In my testing I've found Dymond to be fairly unstable.
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please state what testing u did to justify your claims the dymond is unstable.

Good question Jasjamming. I have to say I am impressed with the number of user using your ROM, and the quality of the threads relating to your work. Can you gave me some advice, please, on what I would gain using your Black Dymond? Thanks...

drewriddle said:
Good question Jasjamming. I have to say I am impressed with the number of user using your ROM, and the quality of the threads relating to your work. Can you gave me some advice, please, on what I would gain using your Black Dymond? Thanks...
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speed, stability and the latest RTM Rom (not a MS dogfood rom) available. please see the threads over at 4wm for your self.
Black Dymond has been beta, RC1 and RC2 tested by a user group. Any issues experienced will be isolated based on 3rd party applications. Try it and see for yourself.
If someone posts negative feedback by all means please state what went wrong etc over at 4wm so notes can be taken.

mcvosi said:
...clip...In my testing I've found Dymond to be fairly unstable.
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I am also interested to hear what kind of 'testing' you did.
Dymond is Actually Rock-Solid.

A quick point about "dogfood" since its been spun up with a somewhat bad connotation here.
M$ employees run the latest and greatest software from the development groups. They call it "eating their own dogfood". Its a term of endearment on the M$ campus. Every major M$ developer/presenter I spoke with at MEDC this year was running "dogfood" on their device. Generally, "dogfood" is a few point releases in advance of what gets sent to the masses.
Good or bad, buggy or not. You folks decide.
I'm happy to run "dogfood" on my TyTN. Nobody else has it. Case in point: check the Kaiser thread.

mcvosi said:
If you're concerned about stability, I'd go with vp3G's version of the LVSW ROM. It's the one I keep going back to, and it has the Cingular customization already done. It's excellent work. In my testing I've found Dymond to be fairly unstable.
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Could not agree more! vp3G's LVSW Re-Cooked version is the "Best Rom by far" very fast and very stable...

Black Dymond is the best Rom.....

I am using black 3.5 since yesterday and so far it has treated me well. I don't see any stability issues.
I have installed some spb programs like weather and some games and the ROM rocks.
I have been on black 2.5 before and that was stable as well. However dymond is noticeably much faster.
I have not tried any other ROMS besides these 2 so I cannot say which one I would favor over the other. I like black and sticking with for now.

I recently flashed the vp3G ROM after using Black 2.5 for about a month. Black 2.5 treated me very well, however I am happier with the vp3G (LSVW derivative). It is much faster and more polished than the Black 2.5 I was using(because it is newer, I suppose). I have been very excted about the 3.xx versions of Black but have yet to try them until I read through all the threads to see if it is a fit for me (3.0/3.1 didn't seem to be the right move). For now, vp3G/LSVW is an excellent ROM for me.
I'm running SPB Diary, MS VC 1.6, VOIP, IM+, SKTools, DinarSoft HandySwitcher, MOBITV, SettingSavior .94, and a bunch of other stuff. No problems AT ALL to report. Program Memory stays solid, device never freezes, and battery lasts the longest.
Hope this helps...

Black Dymond with C-Start : experiencing sync problem
Using Balck Dymond for 12h. Looks quite stable, not to mention the style. Thanks JJ
All functions work well (haven't tested 3G - China not deploying it yet ).
Most impressive is the performance of WiFi (compared to Black 3.01 and WM Hermes QS Edition) - power settings shoul be on "Best Performance", otherwise do not connects even putting the device next to BS
Found some conflict betwen C-Start and embodied input - haven't explored the issue yet.
Issue with synchronization: When the ROM was "virging" no problem synchronizing. Suspect installing C-Start, after the system runs for some time, there is some software conflict. Have followed all ActiveSync 4.5 troubleshooting advice, but looks like the issue is in the device. Next few days will try to install different Chinese characters software - hope it will work!
-- The same issue had with Black 3.1 + C-Start; the difference is that with Black 3.01 was able to etsablish connection between the PPC and the PC, was able to "browse" the PPC but no sync; with Dymond no connection at all
Hope will figure out some way arround with the Chinese characters

Sleuth255 said:
Good or bad, buggy or not. You folks decide.
I'm happy to run "dogfood" on my TyTN. Nobody else has it.
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Heh... I think some folks are wishing this "dogfood" came from Menu Foods rather than M$.
Not to mention anyone who's been in IT for any length of time knows a "shipping" version doesn't necessarily equate to a "good" version (can we all say Windows ME?). C'mon, I know y'all didn't just fall off the turnip truck.

I think vp3g rom is by far the best. I ve been playing with this rom since it 1st came out and i must say its Very stable, very BIG storage, very responsive, and the tie in of the cingular settings with this rom adds close to a perfect rom! My only gripe with lsvw rom base is "esmertec java" Opera mini sucks with it! But otherwise a great rom!

jasjamming said:
please state what testing u did to justify your claims the dymond is unstable.
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I already posted it on your site.
Out of the box, within 30 mins of use, your ROM was freezing up on me several times. I use no 3rd party applications, aside from Pimp My Black (which may have been the problem). I did not see the quirkiness in other ROMs that I saw in Dymond. I've reviewed many ROMs, including your original Black 2.x and 3.x series, and did not have the same polished experience I see in LVSW's base. I think your 2.5 ROM was the best to date in terms of reliability.

DAFTEK said:
Could not agree more! vp3G's LVSW Re-Cooked version is the "Best Rom by far" very fast and very stable...
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It's given me no hassles at all, aside from the WLAN problem when using WPA2 pre-shared key, which seems to be a problem in a few recent ROMs (Faria's being the exception here). It has the Cingular customization already done, and includes what I need and not what I don't need. I also like the inclusion of a working X-button. No additional CABs to install.

mcvosi said:
I already posted it on your site.
Out of the box, within 30 mins of use, your ROM was freezing up on me several times. I use no 3rd party applications, aside from Pimp My Black (which may have been the problem). I did not see the quirkiness in other ROMs that I saw in Dymond. I've reviewed many ROMs, including your original Black 2.x and 3.x series, and did not have the same polished experience I see in LVSW's base. I think your 2.5 ROM was the best to date in terms of reliability.
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Well then,
Maybe you should have choose the word "Tried" rather saying something like 'in my "Testing" I found it to unstable.'
You tried it, you didn't actually do any 'testing.'
I was involved in the 'beta' and RC1, and still using it loaded full of apps, and there is NO instability at all.

cant say much about the others but...
I am running Dymond and no stability issues what s ever were detected unless:
You add on HTC X (doesn't matter what version - both Sucks) use alternatives like handyswitcher or others.
This is the ROM I had the longest uptime before SR!
I am running Pushmail (more than 200 email per day) with sms activity fairly high as well as phone calls that could probably fry my ... and still stability is not an issue.
only issue i am wondering about these days is what Radio Version is the best to work with...

I have actually found the same issues with every WM6 rom I have tried to date. I have loaded all of Kyphurs, a couple of LVSW's and Black 2.01 onwards.
I think everyone here knows that actual problems stem from third party apps and/or personal set up and the roms get blamed for the problems.
I also think we all know that a lot of people fall into the two main camps and will argue their rom is better than the other one.
I am on Dymond and havn't had a soft reset for the two days its been on my device - which for a cooked rom I reckon is pretty damn good - but I reckon from what I have read LVSW's latest is probably ok too...
You pays your money and you takes your choice --- oh except you dont pay any money - ITS FREE!

Its Been a While - so which wm6.1?

Its been a while since ive even bothered to snoop at whats going on in the old hermes world. I still have my hermes and am curious to see how far wm6 has progressed.
now the dilemma is that so much has happened since i last worked on black (dont get excited - i hung up my boots) and dont know which one to install.
So which is the "best" in terms of stability/speed etc?

Welcome back buddy! WM6.1 builds have a lot problems for now - freezing and HR - maybe depends on BS, but we don't know at the moment.
Maybe you will be successfull...

PDAVIET is the best!!

FARIA.R-32
I've been using it for few weeks now. And had absoultly no problems at all. Best rom so far (at least for me ).

I reakon CRC's ROMs are the best
Try the stable one if you rely on your phone, or the development one if you want to try the bleeding edge stuff...

I vote PDAViet, clean, BigStorage which makes it darn fast and no stability problems whatsoever. Been running for 2 days now

v0id said:
I vote PDAViet, clean, BigStorage which makes it darn fast and no stability problems whatsoever. Been running for 2 days now
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I really wouldn't call 2 days stable... If I relied on my phone, I'd be looking for something that has run for weeks before calling it stable

I wouldnt go to 6.1
Many different custom ROMs of WM6.1 that I've tried.
Some crashed to a hard reset
Some frequently froze
Some froze/crashed/kill my dog
All for what? SMS Threading? And it's an ugly SMS threading by the way, and if you got more than a hundred SMS, it would take a while for it to load threaded SMS with each contact. All other features of 6.1 are either useless to common users (such as corporate security junk) or are transferable to 6.0 (such as Office 6.1)
I've went back and forth between 6.1 and 6.0 until sticking to 6.0
It's faster & stable (won't stay "stableR" because 6.1 is NOT stable)
See it this way
WM6.0 = XP
WM6.1 = Vista
One is older than the other, but all the newer version's stuff was transferable to the older version.
Though I wouldnt say WM6.1 has ANY improvement over the GUI like Vista did.
Newer doesnt necessarely mean better.
Eventually, a hardware device is old enough and newer "software" doesnt improve anything at all.
I'm still running mid-2005 Nvidia drivers on my laptop Most stable drivers for THAT laptop (as it's old).
Hermes is old

I've found that it depends on the Windows Mobile build... Out of all the 6.1 builds I've played with:
19199 = WM6.1, seems to be very stable on all devices.
19209 = WM6.1, seems to be stable on some devices, lots of issues on other devices. Can freeze or hard reset, but it's either it works 100% or fails completely. Not 100% sure why as yet.
19400 = WM6.1, haven't been able to get this to even boot as yet.
This is why I've split my development into Stable (uses build 19199) and Development (uses build 19209 - or higher when I get it working).

Oh that's easy - TNT.19199
The full version.
Only need to add FTouch SL
Simply the fastest and the most fully loaded ROM I've ever used.
(probably partially due to the X-button that actually terminates application process when you click it)
And it's fully loaded with things you can actually make use of...
I'm still finding new useful things to do with the apps it comes with.

CRCinAU said:
I've found that it depends on the Windows Mobile build... Out of all the 6.1 builds I've played with:
19199 = WM6.1, seems to be very stable on all devices.
19209 = WM6.1, seems to be stable on some devices, lots of issues on other devices. Can freeze or hard reset, but it's either it works 100% or fails completely. Not 100% sure why as yet.
19400 = WM6.1, haven't been able to get this to even boot as yet.
This is why I've split my development into Stable (uses build 19199) and Development (uses build 19209 - or higher when I get it working).
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I agree with you 100%
HOWEVER, while 19199 doesn't "hard reset", or crash under "CASUAL" use, it is very sensitive to "torture" use.
6.0 can take in a lot of crap, changing radio bands while turning off bluetooth and having Live Messenger trying to initiate a GPRS connection. 6.1 19199 would most likely just vomit, pass out on face first in the toilet bowl and wake up a while later feeling groggy.
Though it's better than 19209 which would end up overdosing (hard reset)
I dont have any concrete examples of how to stress test 19199 into bugging, but after running 19199 (including your 9.1 ROM, which is the last WM6.1 I tried). I defitively saw the difference between WM6.0 and what is considered to be "stablest" in the WM6.1 kind.
WM6.0 is much more responsive.

i've tried all 6.1 roms and they are excellent in all areas but one - the battery life. it's simply too short no matter what you do.
so, i went back to the best rom i've tried so far - K's final WM 6.0 - it's got the speed and battery life way better than any wm 6.1 rom out there

hi JJ
I am using from PDAviet the DVHa rom version 19209 in combination with radio 1.48. I am using my pushmail alot and the phone last 3 days!!
This is the best I ever had. I have tested nearly every rom in the last year (also black ). I'm running this combination a couple of weeks without a SR or HR!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=385047&highlight=pdaviet
I want to test the new rom from DVHa but in that threat there a some people with HR issues!

JJ, glad to hear from you again. Hope all is OK with you. I have been using Pandora Naked ROM for a few months now and it is very stable. I have not had any hard reset so far. Worth a try.

jasjamming said:
Its been a while since ive even bothered to snoop at whats going on in the old hermes world. I still have my hermes and am curious to see how far wm6 has progressed.
now the dilemma is that so much has happened since i last worked on black (dont get excited - i hung up my boots) and dont know which one to install.
So which is the "best" in terms of stability/speed etc?
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speed: faria , it's a bit unstable(but you gotta see it at least once...
stability: pdaviet, clean and stable(fast as well)

Well, well! If it isn't the highly respected JJ! Notwithstanding your great contributions to this community I would direct you as I would any question about which is the "best"; do a seach in the topic titles with the word 'best' and you'll start to get a good idea.
As of the last couple of weeks I would definitely shortlist the ROMs based on the 19209 builds (i.e PDAViet and PDACorner and maybe try some of the newer PDAViet builds).
Let us know how your get on and how they fare against your once ubiquitous roms.

Nothing has been as smooth as black !!, as a noob i've been sticking with Shaps....Please post which one's you like the best after trying, Thanks JJ

jasjamming said:
Its been a while since ive even bothered to snoop at whats going on in the old hermes world. I still have my hermes and am curious to see how far wm6 has progressed.
now the dilemma is that so much has happened since i last worked on black (dont get excited - i hung up my boots) and dont know which one to install.
So which is the "best" in terms of stability/speed etc?
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Get back in #xda-mofos where you belong JJ, and where the **** is walshieau hiding?

Hi Jasjammin, A t this point in time I've used a heap of the wm 6.1 roms. I tend to like (for my jasjam) the PDAViet roms as I dont seem to get the hangups or hard resets I've got in other roms. I quite like the PDAViet rom series 19701, Its BLINDINGLY FAST and no problems yet. Mind you I only had it on a day or two, so.... As for the earlier versions, my Jasjam didnt like 19199 or 19202 but seemed to be ok with 19209& 19400. My radio rom is 154.30.10. Hope this helps... Cheers

Hi Jasjammin, A t this point in time I've used a heap of the wm 6.1 roms. I tend to like (for my jasjam) the PDAViet roms as I dont seem to get the hangups or hard resets I've got in other roms. I quite like the PDAViet rom series 19701, Its BLINDINGLY FAST and no problems yet. Mind you I only had it on a day or two, so.... As for the earlier versions, my Jasjam didnt like 19199 or 19202 but seemed to be ok with 19209& 19400. My radio rom is 154.30.10. Hope this helps... Cheers

Poll: Which WM 6.1 ROM?

Just a quick poll for my own curiosity if nothing else, which WM 6.1 ROM are you using?
If not one of the above, please add a post explaining which.
Also, are there are any newer benchmarks available than those shown here?

You forgot "Binky11's ROM". Best I have used so far.

We seem to be getting a few 'others', but no indication which they are?

I'm currently using Faria's/Dr. Puttingham's ROM but it seems a little unstable, as the OS freezes on me forcing me to pull the battery to reset. I installed it yesterday, with 2 freezes already. I think I'm going to try another one. I use an 8525 btw.
-PB

PDACorner's ROM's have been the cleanest and most stable for me. He is always using the latest builds. I am currently using V.14. build 20226.

Personally I stay away from super storage ROMS. I don't have a need for them, and maybe by sheer coincidence I've only had 1 hard-reset for all the ROMs I've tried, whereas it seems like other folks were having them more often.
I've been a fan of the pdaviet ROMs, but lately have been happy with CRCs... not sure if you need to break out his dev ROMs from stable, since one is just a progression to another.
Stable, with good available program memory.

I used schaps 4 for ages, but I find myself more and more taking a simple "no options" rom (like the PDACorner rom) and adding the dialer, interface, and applications that I really want, instead of using some rom someone else builds.
So I guess you could say I use PDACorner with LOTS of mods.

CRC's 11.2 and 12.2 is the same
Basically re numbered. I too have issues with BS ROMs, my device seems not to agree with it! I would love to try again in the near future, but I use my device for business and can not afford hard resets at all. I go with CRC's ROM for weeks with the only need to power off and on again with side button every other week.
I don't know why but I can't seem to find others that would not hard reset on me, yet.

I have been using Alex's v5.att.161.home ROM for months now, and I love it.

yesod7 said:
I have been using Alex's v5.att.161.home ROM for months now, and I love it.
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Hmm, it is a hermes forum, ... you've got a tilt.

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Hmm, it is a hermes forum, ... you've got a tilt.
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Oh. Right. Well, uh, if you ever get a Tilt, you should use this ROM...

i think the "others" are older WM 6.0 ROMs. im still using sleuth 3.1 from 7/5/07! =P. it's a PITA to backup data then upgrade, then resync data.
but i'm looking forward to upgrading soon, i think wm6.1 improves performance+stability yes?

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i think the "others" are older WM 6.0 ROMs.
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Agreed, i am sick of using WM6.1 to do the ASSync issue which seems to be present even in the official ROM's

Dvha79_ddt
Its always updated with the latest build. Its clean and stable. Suits my taste.

for what it's worth see my signature...

I have tried at some point just about every 6.1 rom I can find on this forum.
The PDAcorner v16 seemed good, and VERY fast, but I didnt like the UI or the idea of how long it would take me to get it how I like it.
I LOVE CRC's roms, they are clean, stable, and fast. Using 12.2 atm! with a 8meg page pool, dam fast!

For those who speak of the "latest build" ala PDA Viet and PDA corner...is there actually a noticeable difference when u flash to a later build ROM? I love flashing a new ROM but it takes me such a long time to get it tweaked to how i like it, so i don't do it so much and then when you consider that you can try the same ROM with so many Pagepool settings, sigh....i could be spending HOURS testing ROMS and just don't have the time to play with them all and at diff settings. That is why I am VERY glad for a thread like this, cause it seems to be frowned upon to compare the ROMS on this site (or mainly to ask the oppinion for a ROM)...i don't exactly understand that, why not discuss and compare them?
what i am wondering, are the latest builds considered to always be the best? i feel like there are so many factors (including unknown ones) that attribute to a ROM being a good working ROM.
for those who have tried lots of the PDAVIET ROMS, any thoughts on which is/are the best?
I can't pick one of the ROMS on the list, but i will say this, i've been on WM6.1 for a while and am considering trying 6.0 again to get a new frame of reference to tell if one is indeed better than the other for me

Shamanix`s WM6 Ultimate v2 FINAL [SuperStorage] With add on's

I'm using CRC12.3 at the moment, but I'm not all that rapt in it.
PDV has had some good ones. Does a nice clean install and removes rubbish that other ROMs leave behind. Got rid of a bug that had plagued me for months.
PDACorner has had some good ones.
Randomize had the best package that needed the least customising by me.
I guess I'm just a ROM junkie.
Been thinking of upgrading to a Samsung i900, but then I'd miss all this fun.

Dillsnik said:
I love flashing a new ROM but it takes me such a long time to get it tweaked to how i like it, so i don't do it so much
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You can use UC/sdconfig.txt to re-install all your favourite programs that run from internal RAM. Most of the stuff I want to add back in runs off my SD card. I just keep the cabs in a separate folder on my SD card and work through them. Only takes a few minutes.
Biggest hassle I had was with contacts and email settings.
But PIMBackup restores contacts in a flash, and Settings Savior restores all my email accounts (about 4 or 5).
Now I can re-flash and be back in operation in under 30 minutes.

NFSFAN Vs NagROM

Hey,
I've just realized NFSFAN and NagROM are to different ROMs. My phone is currently on NFSFAN v16. Can someone advise which one is better for each carrier or differences between them?
BTW thanks a lot to NFSFAN, Nagrom Nniuq and everyone else for their effort/support on getting us a wm6.5 solution for our Vogue

Even though this has been discussed repeatedly....
NFS's ROM's are of the more stable variety, using tried and true Windows 6.5 builds. In addition he cooks in a long list of useful apps, tweaks, ports and theme. His next release(V17) will be his last Windows 6.5 release, when he will move onto 6.5.1 beta releases.
NagROM is coming from a different direction, his goal is to build ROM's with the newest hottest leaked 6.5.1 ROM's. His ROM's are going to need a lot more tweaking and problem solving than NFSFAN's polished 6.5 releases. From what I have gathered NagROM makes quality ROM's, but you have to be willing work around the large changes Microsoft is making with every new release. That is to say with every new release there seems to be an issue that you have to work around. Lastly NagROM's ROM's are made in a true barebones version and a slightly modified version with a few core apps added along with the new Touch Flo interface.
I have been running NFSFAN ROM's with very few issues for a while now. I have also been eagerly keeping tabs on NagROM's builds waiting for Microsoft to make a 6.5.1 build that is polished enough for me to use daily(although there are plenty of people who do use those ROM's daily).
The carrier and ROM's have nothing to do with each other, you don't have to pick which ROM by the carrier, all are fully supported.

slow88lx said:
Even though this has been discussed repeatedly....
NFS's ROM's are of the more stable variety, using tried and true Windows 6.5 builds. In addition he cooks in a long list of useful apps, tweaks, ports and theme. His next release(V17) will be his last Windows 6.5 release, when he will move onto 6.5.1 beta releases.
NagROM is coming from a different direction, his goal is to build ROM's with the newest hottest leaked 6.5.1 ROM's. His ROM's are going to need a lot more tweaking and problem solving than NFSFAN's polished 6.5 releases. From what I have gathered NagROM makes quality ROM's, but you have to be willing work around the large changes Microsoft is making with every new release. That is to say with every new release there seems to be an issue that you have to work around. Lastly NagROM's ROM's are made in a true barebones version and a slightly modified version with a few core apps added along with the new Touch Flo interface.
I have been running NFSFAN ROM's with very few issues for a while now. I have also been eagerly keeping tabs on NagROM's builds waiting for Microsoft to make a 6.5.1 build that is polished enough for me to use daily(although there are plenty of people who do use those ROM's daily).
The carrier and ROM's have nothing to do with each other, you don't have to pick which ROM by the carrier, all are fully supported.
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well said, basically if you want the very latest build Nag is the way to go, if you can settle for an older but more stable build then NFS.

I go back and forth between both of their roms, and you cant go wrong with either one really.

NFSFAN without a glimpse of a doubt

nfsfan because it seems to do everything i need and then some, on top of that its a definite stable ROM, being im not real good with phones i dont wanna have to worry bout random issues popping up, and anything that ever happens with his ROM is usually addressed within a day or 2 and its very minor

I had NFSfans and it's solid. For some reason my phone doesn't like it. It would randomly lock me out of the phone. The old Windows Mobile Lock screen would come up and when I tried to enter my Password it would not register the button presses. So the only way out was to Take the battery out or soft reset. Both options would hard reset the phone including the memory card if I left it in. (Yes I tried flashing back to Stock about 5 times, hard reset in the new ROM a few times and YES IT REALLY DID CLEAR THE MEM CARD)
Also I thought my company changed something in their server because I could'nt get Outlook exchange to work. Turns out the ROM was the issue. I've switched to Nagrom because I was tired of the random lock-ups. I wasn't expecting Outlook to work because like I said I thought it was my company. Well with Nagrom Outlook Exhchange works just as well as it did in WM6.1. NFSFans Rom is more pretty but in my current experience NAGROM seems the most stable.

wud_e said:
I had NFSfans and it's solid. For some reason my phone doesn't like it. It would randomly lock me out of the phone. The old Windows Mobile Lock screen would come up and when I tried to enter my Password it would not register the button presses. So the only way out was to Take the battery out or soft reset. Both options would hard reset the phone including the memory card if I left it in. (Yes I tried flashing back to Stock about 5 times, hard reset in the new ROM a few times and YES IT REALLY DID CLEAR THE MEM CARD)
Also I thought my company changed something in their server because I could'nt get Outlook exchange to work. Turns out the ROM was the issue. I've switched to Nagrom because I was tired of the random lock-ups. I wasn't expecting Outlook to work because like I said I thought it was my company. Well with Nagrom Outlook Exhchange works just as well as it did in WM6.1. NFSFans Rom is more pretty but in my current experience NAGROM seems the most stable.
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The instructions for Flashing one of NFSFAN's custom ROMS from the Chef himself:
1. Flash from BOOTLOADER mode only, let all customizations run.
2. Hard reset, let all customizations run.
There are users who suggest the "triple flash technique", In another forum NFSFAN himself suggested to a user to flash back to stock first, I think it started from there.
Question is......did you at least follow the chef's instructions?
The only tiime I have ever experienced a random hard reset with a ROM from NFSFAN is when I purposely flashed from active sync and did not hard reset after. One single improper flash. I was able to replicate most of the problems alot of users were reporting......and worse after the self hard reset. My exchange wouldn't sync contacts was one of them.
Following the above procedure (once again.....NFSFAN recommends bootloader mode himself) I have NEVER had a random hard reset, and my exchange works perfect. There was one 6.1 ROM version that had exchange issues (a beta build), but NFSFAN resolved it and I've never seen those problems since.
I can't remember the technical reason NFSFAN gave once for bootloader mode. BUT, it is his own kitchen and his ROM, therefor when he gives instruvtions on hoe to install it I do just that.
Please don't take this as a rant or anything personal. I would be interestred to hear if you flashed according to NFSFAN's instructions, and if not if you tried again and tested your exchange etc.
Cheers and happy flashing (With NFSFAN, VIN, NAG etc we have lots of that to do!!!)

were you really that bored?
right now am using NagROM because of 6.5.1 i llikkee it

wud_e said:
I had NFSfans and it's solid. For some reason my phone doesn't like it. It would randomly lock me out of the phone. The old Windows Mobile Lock screen would come up and when I tried to enter my Password it would not register the button presses. So the only way out was to Take the battery out or soft reset. Both options would hard reset the phone including the memory card if I left it in. (Yes I tried flashing back to Stock about 5 times, hard reset in the new ROM a few times and YES IT REALLY DID CLEAR THE MEM CARD)
Also I thought my company changed something in their server because I could'nt get Outlook exchange to work. Turns out the ROM was the issue. I've switched to Nagrom because I was tired of the random lock-ups. I wasn't expecting Outlook to work because like I said I thought it was my company. Well with Nagrom Outlook Exhchange works just as well as it did in WM6.1. NFSFans Rom is more pretty but in my current experience NAGROM seems the most stable.
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It's a problem with the Windows Default Lock. Change to Windows Classic. Been a week without issues and mine was locking every day or 2.

slow88lx said:
Even though this has been discussed repeatedly....
NFS's ROM's are of the more stable variety, using tried and true Windows 6.5 builds. In addition he cooks in a long list of useful apps, tweaks, ports and theme. His next release(V17) will be his last Windows 6.5 release, when he will move onto 6.5.1 beta releases.
NagROM is coming from a different direction, his goal is to build ROM's with the newest hottest leaked 6.5.1 ROM's. His ROM's are going to need a lot more tweaking and problem solving than NFSFAN's polished 6.5 releases. From what I have gathered NagROM makes quality ROM's, but you have to be willing work around the large changes Microsoft is making with every new release. That is to say with every new release there seems to be an issue that you have to work around. Lastly NagROM's ROM's are made in a true barebones version and a slightly modified version with a few core apps added along with the new Touch Flo interface.
I have been running NFSFAN ROM's with very few issues for a while now. I have also been eagerly keeping tabs on NagROM's builds waiting for Microsoft to make a 6.5.1 build that is polished enough for me to use daily(although there are plenty of people who do use those ROM's daily).
The carrier and ROM's have nothing to do with each other, you don't have to pick which ROM by the carrier, all are fully supported.
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Thanks for an excellent and accurate write up of both of our ROMs!