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SD card reading speeds

Hi to everyone!
So, does anyone know or at least make a guess, if the Rhodium will still require things like SD TuneUp for decent read speeds, video watching etc?

GSM arena tested the TD2 with Coreplayer. It seems like it can play Xvid videos without any dropped frames. So it looks like its better than the HD. So maybe you won't beed the SD Tuner. This is only wild guess tho.
Since TD2 shares the same CPU as TP2, I guess it will be the same.

cocoaju said:
GSM arena tested the TD2 with Coreplayer. It seems like it can play Xvid videos without any dropped frames. So it looks like its better than the HD. So maybe you won't beed the SD Tuner. This is only wild guess tho.
Since TD2 shares the same CPU as TP2, I guess it will be the same.
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doesnt the Touch HD also use the same CPU?

Lyian said:
doesnt the Touch HD also use the same CPU?
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Nope, the HD uses a newer CPU because of an USA patent, something was taken out of the original CPU (the one in TD2 and TP2). So that HD can be sold in the USA. Somehow HTC got around the patent issue (or not) and now they use are using the older CPU (better) on the newer phones.
I hope I make sense. This is what I have read on the internet in many forums.

Ok, but I'm not interrested in the CPU. As I stated in the thread title, I want to know if SD reading speeds will finally be acceptable. Its a matter of proper drivers, not CPU. In other words, will we still have to install third party drivers like SD TuneUp

Touch Pro 2 Internal Hardware Discussion (Chainfire please read)

Hi Chainfire,
Thank you for the clarification in the last thread on the different Qualcomm processor variants.
Admittedly I am still a little dubious about your specs because I'm sure I saw a datasheet for the 7200a that stated it was 90nm - however I know that you have been in this game for while (ROMs et al) so I will accept them and verify them when I get a moment)
I also agree that the TP2 did feel snappier than the TP1.
However your argument concerning the TP being a repackaged Tytn2 is a very weak one for the reasons you specified and many others.
The TP is clearly a different class of device in comparison to the Tytn 2 and definitely doesn't feel repackaged.
Also the phones have not simply been repackaged over the last few years, I've had most of them with considerable improvements in each until we reached the Qualcomm era pre snapdragon...
Also I'm not a fan for the 7200 series qualcomm processors for all types of video related reasons.
The snapdragon (also qualcomm) demonstrates innovation and shows promise as well as potential.
On another tangent I'm really loving the snapdragon capabilities they've demonstrated runing android in the netbook market at the moment too (720p hardware encoding and decoding according another engadget and gizmodo.
As usual - Time will tell - it never lies!
Question - Doesn't anyone else feel a little betrayed at the rate of hardware/software innovation in WM products at the moment?
I surely can't be the only one.
I've used these devices for ages and after seeing things like the Palm Pre and IPhone I feel a little frustrated.

qazzi76 said:
Hi Chainfire,
Thank you for the clarification in the last thread on the different Qualcomm processor variants.
Admittedly I am still a little dubious about your specs because I'm sure I saw a datasheet for the 7200a that stated it was 90nm - however I know that you have been in this game for while (ROMs et al) so I will accept them and verify them when I get a moment)
I also agree that the TP2 did feel snappier than the TP1.
However your argument concerning the TP being a repackaged Tytn2 is a very weak one for the reasons you specified and many others.
The TP is clearly a different class of device in comparison to the Tytn 2 and definitely doesn't feel repackaged.
Also the phones have not simply been repackaged over the last few years, I've had most of them with considerable improvements in each until we reached the Qualcomm era pre snapdragon...
Also I'm not a fan for the 7200 series qualcomm processors for all types of video related reasons.
The snapdragon (also qualcomm) demonstrates innovation and shows promise as well as potential.
On another tangent I'm really loving the snapdragon capabilities they've demonstrated runing android in the netbook market at the moment too (720p hardware encoding and decoding according another engadget and gizmodo.
As usual - Time will tell - it never lies!
Question - Doesn't anyone else feel a little betrayed at the rate of hardware/software innovation in WM products at the moment?
I surely can't be the only one.
I've used these devices for ages and after seeing things like the Palm Pre and IPhone I feel a little frustrated.
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Why has this been brough back to life? DaveShaw closed the last thread, can't you respect that and leave it for a bit?

No clearly I can't.
While the TP2 isn't that bad a device - if all else fails I will probably end up with one - There is an underlying issue here that needs to be discussed and addressed that isn't only applicable to the Touch Pro 2.

And further more I'm not offending anyone I'm encouraging discussion that needs to be encouraged.
I've been here since 2004 and been using these devices before 2004 and am seriously wondering what's happening with WM in the industry lately.
- WM7 promised the world but has yet to see the light of day.
- We still don't have properly implemented VGA recording in our devices
- Rich application experience is only available through 3rd party programs and pluggins when it should be available at the OS level.
- Why on earth do some programmers know how to manipulate the hardware at OS level better than Microsoft, the people that make the OS (Example Point UI)
Seriously what is going on here?
Have you seen the Palm Pre?
Have you seen the Iphone?
Have you seen Android Cupcake?
What do we have?
Microsoft has given us a half a hearted attempt at an OS refresh (6.5) and embarassingly all our rich app experiences are provided by third parties.
Why couldn't HTC release Rhodium level hardware with Android?

As for processor specs:
From the MSM7200A datasheet that I "absolutely don't have":
7200: 90 nm CMOS (15 x 15 x 1.4 mm)
7200A: 65 nm CMOS (15 x 15 x 1.4 mm)
Some more interesting changes in non-A vs A are that the A has 24bpp display support for EBI2, and the memory is clocked at 166mhz instead of 128mhz (aside from the obvious 528mhz (533 officially) addition) and also uses a different GPS core. I assume all the latter is also in the 7201A but I cannot verify that, so...
As to the repackaging thing, perhaps you misunderstood me. I do not feel like the TP is a repackaged TyTN II, nor do I really feel the TP2 is a repackaged TP. But, if you say the latter you should also say the former - the thread starter only did the latter. Even if for one you may feel instinctively that it isn't repackaged and for the other you do, it's either both or neither, from my viewpoint.
I agree there have been many improvements, but most of them were not in the 'bare' hardware. And that was the discussion point of the thread starter, who stated in one of his posts that we were not talking about software. Obviously, casing, screens, etc have improvements as well as the software.
Again, I love the TP2. The first time I played with one was love at first sight.
As for video, the 7200 series is more than capable - just not supported very well. With fully optimized drivers and software, video playback should be much better than it is right now. Its the old trick of unleashing a little bit more potential with every device release to get people to upgrade. Sound business model, but obviously us techs frown at it.
As for snapdragon, I agree it has got awesome capabilities, but there are some caveats (note that I already played with snapdragon devices and it felt really fast to me... much faster than TP2).
Caveat #1: How will it stack up versus the Tegra? I've also seen Tegra (test) devices in action up close (no touching, though, and it was bigger than my pocket) and it did seem extremely awesome.
Caveat #2: It's still Qualcomm. While HTC is partially to blame for the whole mess the past few years, so is Qualcomm. Both of these companies continuously let us down performance-wise. Will the old dogs learn new tricks? Will major corporations ever actually care about their customers? Will they ever deliver what they promise? We are talking about HTC and Qualcomm here, and due to past experience I wouldn't put the chances of that very high.
Of course, Microsoft also has a big role to play in optimizing WM. It's a dog. But it's improving... I do have high hopes for WM7.
Do I feel betrayed? I don't think that's the correct word, but yes, I am disappointed (even if I do love the TP2 ). I think over time things will get better though. WM being the slow dog that it is, with the latest hardware and some effort it should still be technically possible to top iPhone performance by a large margin.
I can easily understand your frustration though. I am myself heavily invested in WM (my livelyhood actually depends on it) so I am also frustrated. It can be much better!

Hi Chainfire,
Oh - I see... Got you.
So the A supports higher bit resolution displays and has faster memory!
Ok I stand corrected about the MSM7200 series processors.
Somehow I'm not surprised the hardware is capable of good Video - I just haven't experienced it.. yet.. - But I also put that down to poor colaboration (possibly deliberately) on MS, HTC and Qualcomms part)
I also have been wondering about the Tegra but I see it taking ages to come to market based on NVidia's PDA GPU efforts before which eventually materialised in Dells axim x51v (PDA) initially and then imates 6150(Phone) ages after anouncement.
Obviously this could change.
I agree the Tegra is a worthy force to be reckoned with if implemented correctly - I unfortunately have only seen working examples of the Tegra on Youtube but what I have seen has been very very impressive GUI wise.
The Snapdragon looks kinda crazy too with its 1.3ghz potential when its already flying at 1ghz on the TG01 and the whole netbook angle/implementation of snapdragon.
I guess we'll have to wait and see what WM7 has to offer although I imagine it's must be a little difficult for you at the mo with the whole Android and apple app store gaining ground and making their mark in industry.
Anyhow I wish you good luck with your WM based business projects/ventures.

Maybe tp2 use msm7201A http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=522460

That would be interesting, it is listed as 7200A everywhere on the net. But as some people already have one, perhaps they should check the about screen?
Mine still not in...
EDIT: Checked FCC pics, that one indeed seems to have 7201A. Wonder if the EU version will also have this or have 7200A. We'll know soon enough I guess!

Chainfire said:
That would be interesting, it is listed as 7200A everywhere on the net. But as some people already have one, perhaps they should check the about screen?
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UK version 7200A-528MHz, according the the About screen.

Hmm, that makes it likely the US versions will be MSM7201A and the rest of the world will get MSM7200A... Interesting!

out of interest im in uk and mine has the 7200A...

Intense 3d Games

Evening guys,
just installed the Neo drivers on my Rhodium, and want to test it with some intense 3d games, any suggestions?

Doughnut said:
Evening guys,
just installed the Neo drivers on my Rhodium, and want to test it with some intense 3d games, any suggestions?
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Solitaire
There really isnt much in terms of "3D games" for windows mobile.

Doughnut said:
test it with some intense 3d games
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XTRAKT. it is floating around in the themes applications and software forum.
please report whether the drivers provide any performance boost.

mastermarv said:
XTRAKT. it is floating around in the themes applications and software forum.
please report whether the drivers provide any performance boost.
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no lol, its running exactly same as before???
i also tried need for speed last night...runs flawlessly...not sure if it shouldnt on standard tp2???

Personally I noticed some lag/slow down in the "Hard" stages in Xtrackt. So you might wants to check on those. The normal (first five) work smoothly and flawlessly from what I saw.
There are other 3D games like prince of persia 3D HD but I haven´t tried them so I don´t know how threy handle with or without the 3D drivers.
Good luck and I hope you´ll report your findings.

Just tried Prince of Persia HD...
For a so called "HD" game the graphics are terrible IMO...
Xtrakt has superior graphics, as does Need for Speed Underground, all 3 seem to run flawlessly.
I think im expecting way too much, im expecting similar graphics to the PSP...Which will probably never happen lol...

Well, remember that no matter how good the graphics drivers the game shouldn't be any better than it was designed to originally be. Also Xtrakt was for the SE X1, meaning that it might have been optimized for the processor anyways.
How about FPSCE, the playstation emulator. It seems it doesn't run full speed on many games. Maybe the drivers will help a bit with it. Otherwise nothing else comes to mind other than things which normally don't work or only test the abilities such as the Quake 3 Arena port (which supposedly only runs at 5fps):
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-quake-3-arena-ce-v1-1b.html
the 3d benchmark tool:
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-3d-benchmark-v1-0b.html
and the diamond hologram software floating around here somewhere...
If we're lucky this game engine demoed on the X1 will make it into games that we can actually play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2yZ...-para-windows-mobile/&feature=player_embedded

Same...
Also Xtrakt was for the SE X1, meaning that it might have been optimized for the processor anyways.
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They both have the same processor: Qualcomm MSM7200 @ 528 Mhz, the only difference would be the d rivers implemented by Sony Ericsson.
Cyph

Madcypher said:
They both have the same processor: Qualcomm MSM7200 @ 528 Mhz, the only difference would be the d rivers implemented by Sony Ericsson.
Cyph
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That's what I meant. As it's a system on a chip if the game was designed to properly access the graphics chip on the x1 then it might run the best it will with or without installing the 3d drivers on the TP2 (and therefore it could be a bad test subject).

[Q]FPSEce (Play Station One) for WVGA on WM 6.5.3

Hello everybody!!!
I think many HD users looked for good games for their devices. There are some really nice applications like Resco Bubbles, Experiment 13 etc. Also We can run Nintendo, Sega and other old games on HTC HD(with sortware multitouch support).
However, for my device I want at least psx games...(I am final fantasy and takken fan) I found emulators such as PocketISO and FPSEce, which allowed you run games from PS1. BUT I cant install it properly(I read many articles about it before start a new thread, but still cant find solution). Furthermore, I read, that FPSEce is not support WVGA(((
On Youtube I found many videos about FPSEce 0.10 working on Samsung Omnia and running psx games with full speed. I don't think that HTC HD is less powefull in turms of CPU and RAM than Omnia(maybe I am wrong).
So, can anybody explain me how to install it and (if possible) how to make it multitouch (like Morphgear with some skins and fix)?
I am using WM 6.5.3 by T2M(28004)
Thx in advance.

I try to run fpsece many times, but always whit poor result. The site appear old and no update. However, This progr starting directly from the executable file and work in the hd wvga, but can't start games for me

the point is simple really, the resolution aint supported. omnia has a far less screen res, thus delivering better application experience/smoothness. moreover, it seems fpsece has been discontinued or at least not updated in the last, well, year, so i fear your request is d00med from the start.

crashDebug said:
the point is simple really, the resolution aint supported. omnia has a far less screen res, thus delivering better application experience/smoothness. moreover, it seems fpsece has been discontinued or at least not updated in the last, well, year, so i fear your request is d00med from the start.
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Not really. Project is not dead!!! Check video on YouTube, it is amazing!!! Driver 2 with "touch" control and full speed. G-sensor is working, nice on-screen buttons, sylus mode etc. Now it is even better than real PS1!!!
By the way, I had chat with moderator from FPSE forum, and he said, that new version will probably released before Xmas! I hope it will fully compatible with our device.

aliff said:
Not really. Project is not dead!!! Check video on YouTube, it is amazing!!! Driver 2 with "touch" control and full speed. G-sensor is working, nice on-screen buttons, sylus mode etc. Now it is even better than real PS1!!!
By the way, I had chat with moderator from FPSE forum, and he said, that new version will probably released before Xmas! I hope it will fully compatible with our device.
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Could you post a link to the youtube video you're refering to?
Thanx!

MAMeingast said:
Could you post a link to the youtube video you're refering to?
Thanx!
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Check this links
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MHCQiT6e54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHDwIkGuvAc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR2e1Mep2b0

I've been waiting for FPSCE all year now, and every week we've been told "It's a few weeks away". I've purposely put it out of my mind for weeks now as I can't be bothered with the continual delays (although it does seem a lot of progress has been made recently and it looks a fantastic app).
I had 0.96 running on my HD no problems, except the FPS (frames per second) was about 17 for even simple games like Ridge Racer = unplayable. However vers 1.0 promises to work a lot quicker.
There is also a thread on their forum about the Touch HD, and I think it will work and be playable if/when released. They are also working on multitouch-faking controllers, otherwise bluetooth controlllers work well.
So I'm a little ambivalent over the project, mainly because I got sick of waiting for it, but I'm ready to eat my hat if/when it is released (probably in 2011 )

smeddy said:
I've been waiting for FPSCE all year now, and every week we've been told "It's a few weeks away". I've purposely put it out of my mind for weeks now as I can't be bothered with the continual delays (although it does seem a lot of progress has been made recently and it looks a fantastic app).
I had 0.96 running on my HD no problems, except the FPS (frames per second) was about 17 for even simple games like Ridge Racer = unplayable. However vers 1.0 promises to work a lot quicker.
There is also a thread on their forum about the Touch HD, and I think it will work and be playable if/when released. They are also working on multitouch-faking controllers, otherwise bluetooth controlllers work well.
So I'm a little ambivalent over the project, mainly because I got sick of waiting for it, but I'm ready to eat my hat if/when it is released (probably in 2011 )
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Well, I hope you are wrong about release date...
About FPS: I have tried Final Fantasy 8 and during first video it worked with 25-35 frames per second. However, I can't start the game - I can see FF boot screen, but I can't move to the main menu. I pressed all buttons("x", "start" etc.) with no result, only "select" buttons works fine. What I did wrong? I have tried other games with the same result.

aliff said:
Check this links
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MHCQiT6e54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHDwIkGuvAc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR2e1Mep2b0
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all videos on 1Ghz device doubt it will work same on 528Mhz... maybe half speed.

aliff said:
Check this links
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MHCQiT6e54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHDwIkGuvAc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR2e1Mep2b0
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all videos on 1Ghz device doubt it will work same on 528Mhz... maybe half speed.
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Exactly why I wanted to see the videos myself... You can't compare the TG01 with the HD! The HD doesn't even have half the Toshiba's speed!
(Even when running a SnapDragon processor at the same frequency as the HD's processor, the former is faster than the latter...)

MAMeingast said:
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Exactly why I wanted to see the videos myself... You can't compare the TG01 with the HD! The HD doesn't even have half the Toshiba's speed!
(Even when running a SnapDragon processor at the same frequency as the HD's processor, the former is faster than the latter...)
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I know that TG01 in terms of speed and performance much better than our device.
I just posted this links as an example of what new version can do....
About speed:
This is DELL X50v
On this device FPSEce runs many games with 30-40 frames per second.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i4JNUaEOdE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBSgNJlq38Q&feature=related
I don't think that X50v(processor 624 MHz Intel PXA 270, 64 RAM, VGA) is more powerfull than HD(processor 528 MHz Qualcomm MSM7201A, 288 MB RAM, WVGA)
BTW, on this video it seems to be an old version of FPSEce, however authors said that new version will run games much faster and smoother.....

aliff said:
I know that TG01 in terms of speed and performance much better than our device.
I just posted this links as an example of what new version can do....
About speed:
This is DELL X50v
On this device FPSEce runs many games with 30-40 frames per second.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i4JNUaEOdE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBSgNJlq38Q&feature=related
I don't think that X50v(processor 624 MHz Intel PXA 270, 64 RAM, VGA) is more powerfull than HD(processor 528 MHz Qualcomm MSM7201A, 288 MB RAM, WVGA)
BTW, on this video it seems to be an old version of FPSEce, however authors said that new version will run games much faster and smoother.....
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Don't know, if CPU is everything... I know the Axim has a very powerful 2700G graphic chip the HD doesn't! (I owned a Axim before my HD...

this will be fantastic. i can't wait to try crash band on my Topaz

Hi maxcy,
I just installed Max Manila Ultimate 2.6 Beta and can confirm that it works perfectly with latest NRG ROMs. Once again you did an awesome job. I finally have my 16 shortcuts and bg4all back + a working action softkey. Thank you so much.

ps1 for wvga
hi guys i think fpsece looks really good im tired of the low quality mobile games they keep bringing out and this looks like it will be decent. just need to find out how to get all my favourite ps1 games on my storage card. i read on the oficial forum that the developer is thinking about charging £5 for the emulator when its available on wvga devices. well im sure he/ shes done alot of work and i for one think thats fair. i think it will be free if you dont want to save your game or something like that. just cant wait.

Hey GUYS!
FPSEce is released!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.fpsece.net/downloads.htm

the software still hasn't support 6.5.3 yet, has it?

W.C. said:
the software still hasn't support 6.5.3 yet, has it?
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This software support WM 6.5.3, at least some ROMs. For example, it works on Flashmore's and XennyTech's ROMs.

where can we find some games?

hello00 said:
where can we find some games?
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google is your friend! can't really say, where you can find it.

[Q] Sony Xperia S or HTC One S (S4)? Which is a better device? HELP

Hi. I need help on choosing which is the better device, the HTC One S or the Sony Xperia S. I know these devices was released a year ago but I want to know if it can still compete on today's smartphones esp. flagship phones.
Please rate/answer. Thanks
-UI
-Performance
-Can it still compete on today's smartphones?
-Will it support the latest Android version?
and
-PROS AND CONS of Sony Xperia S (in your opinion)
I did search and read reviews, but the reviews was posted a year ago. lol

UI: Sony
Performance: Htc One s
Can it still compete on today's smartphones? : NO
-Will it support the latest Android version? : Never
and
-PROS AND CONS of Sony Xperia S (in your opinion)
PROS: Everything......!!
Cons: Nothing...... Although there are few bugs in JB Like 1080p or 2G but it will be solved by sony in near future......
Choice is Yours...!

Thanks for answering. What do you mean by "everything" in PROS?
Does it lag on:
-playing 3d games?
-multitasking?

One S is better

Poonch said:
Thanks for answering. What do you mean by "everything" in PROS?
Does it lag on:
-playing 3d games?
-multitasking?
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On Adreno 220 you cannot expect too much.
some common games will run OK.
Multitasking.....not really..
XS has Adreno 220 and HTC One S has Adreno 225. Both are outdated.
So gaming and other graphical performances are way inferior to today's level.
What's your budget?
Why don't you think of Xperia SP?

I am just a student so I cannot afford today's high end smartphones. Can Adreno 220 and 225 still play 3d games smoothly (e.g NFS, GTA)? Because I previously own an iPhone 4 and I can say NFS runs ok (rarely lags but loads slow).

get an xs that is bootloader unlockable and have fun
Sent from my 4.3 Xperia S via Tapatalk

later one
htc one s has a better spec

Poonch said:
Thanks for answering. What do you mean by "everything" in PROS?
Does it lag on:
-playing 3d games?
-multitasking?
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I mean nothing is wrong in this phone..it doesnt lag for me .... i have played nfs...gta.....asphalt.....all run perfectly smooth....dont listen to dated or outdated ones......if it fullfill your needs its perfect.... camera is also very good. multitasking is also very good....after jelly bean update ram capacity has increased from 635 to 685 Mb....

Poonch said:
I am just a student so I cannot afford today's high end smartphones. Can Adreno 220 and 225 still play 3d games smoothly (e.g NFS, GTA)? Because I previously own an iPhone 4 and I can say NFS runs ok (rarely lags but loads slow).
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No GTA VC
NFS MW, Real racing 3 runs smoothly on my Xperia™ Ion.
but if you can afford Xperia S then Xperia Sp wouldn't cost more and you will get new Android updates as well.
Not like Xperia S which is betrayed by a Snapdragon S3 chipset.

I own Xperia S and very recently tested ONE S as possible candidate for a replacement but since there is a hope that all annoying bugs will be fixed by Sony and @letama is already working on 4.3 I will not replace it until my contract ends in November.
My thoughts after side by side test:
Differences in gaming? I could not notice any big difference. Most 3d rpgs and racing games work well enough with occasional hangups or lags on both phones. Cpu and Gpu is slightly better in ONE S on paper but benchmarks and real world experience is very similiar.
Camera? Xperia S has better camera and both handsets are capable of 1080 video recording. In my opinion Xperia S is better for still pictures but for obvious reason I could not compare 1080 video.
Screen? Xperia S has better resolution and nicer feel of the screen.
Future? I don't know much about ONE S development progress. Check out their forums for prognoses about 4.2/4.3. For Xperia S there is a hope for fully working 4.3. Mind that ONE S has only got 16GB of internal memory, compared to Xperia S (32GB) and both phones have no external card slot.
As a previous owner of some HTC devices I can tell that Sense UI is a matter of preference but it is very resource consuming. On both phones I would go for AOSP rom.
There is no clear winner and it's a matter of taste (and price). As a former Sony hater (before they promised to fix major bugs promptly i.e. several days ago) now I started to like and respect my current handset (given update will fix all current problems and will allow for further development of 4.3 at xda).
My personal advice would be to save some money and get a newer handset which has best support and development effort.

And the winner is : SONY XPERIA S