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same exact chipset as the HD2... so does this mean....
what is your take on this?
We just went from no photos of the HTC HD7 to several live photos from several different sources. Some specs of the Windows Phone 7 powered behemoth were unofficially confirmed and a price too (again).
Specs and renders of the HTC HD7
The specs of the HTC HD7 include a 4.3" WQVGA touchscreen, a 1GHz QSD8250 Snapdragon CPU and a 5MP camera with dual-LED flash and 720p video recording. There's 8GB of built-in storage, though the situation with the microSD card slot is unclear - there are contradicting reports (HTCInside.de says "yay", WMPowerUser says "nay").
Live shots of the HD7 and its UI, tweaked by HTC
Update: The full specs for the HTC HD7 leaked. It's just 11.2mm thick, 576MB RAM and T-Mobile USA 3G bands. There won't be a microSD card slot. Check out the full specs below.
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Anyway, the photos of the HTC HD7's back reveal two interesting things - a kickstand and an "HD3" label (we're guessing that was the original name before HTC changed it to emphasize on Windows Phone 7).
The HTC HD7 has a kickstand
A new bit of information suggests that the HTC HD7 will retail on T-Mobile and a 560 euro (750 USD) figure is mentioned as price. That's not too far off from the 599 euro price for O2 Germany from Tuesday. All this info is from rumor-land so take it with a pinch of salt.
Source: HTCInside.de (Site in German), WMPoweruser, Mobile01 (Site in Chinese), Update: WMPoweruser
Why would HTC use the same wack (well now it is) CPU when they are already releasing second generation Snapdragons? This is especially disappointing when you consider that WP7 is supposed to be a strong gaming platform and the original Snapdragon's GPU sucks.
It has a pretty skimpy battery, no? Isn't 1200mAh kinda low for a high powered smartphone?
Award Tour said:
Why would HTC use the same wack (well now it is) CPU when they are already releasing second generation Snapdragons? This is especially disappointing when you consider that WP7 is supposed to be a strong gaming platform and the original Snapdragon's GPU sucks.
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Why did HTC release the Diamond2 with the same internals as the original Diamond? Cost, development times, the fact that it's likely not to make a huge amount of difference?
None of the games we've seen demoed have been short of power, and given the time it takes to develop a new hardware phone platform (a year or so), it's not too surprising they're using slightly older hardware. WP7 has only been in development for about 18 months. It's only been with OEMs for 12 months or so (in a basic form) and probably only 9 months or so for actual hardware development. You don't want to build a new phone with a new OS, with no experience with either, so it makes sense to use hardware you're familiar with. The HTC Desire Z with the new QSD8255 has probably been in development longer than the HD3/7.
QSD8250s are not underpowered, and considering the fact that WP7 doesn't allow third party developers to multitask, it's definitely up for the task.
BS??
Why would t-mobile release there first window seven phone and not put it on there 4G sever? i just dont believe this it sad sad sad the whole spec list is sad. I dont believe this would be the spec of the first WM7 phone it just to sad and way to early to say. But it just a rumor :O
This is a complete joke, I consider this a downgrade not upgarde.
I can guarantee that I wont be getting a ****ty HD3, 8GB max storage my arse, what possible justification can M$ have to not allow storage card? I dont get it, does anybody know the reason as I cant think of a single reason why they would put this limitation on WP7 phones.
l3v5y said:
Why did HTC release the Diamond2 with the same internals as the original Diamond? Cost, development times, the fact that it's likely not to make a huge amount of difference?
None of the games we've seen demoed have been short of power, and given the time it takes to develop a new hardware phone platform (a year or so), it's not too surprising they're using slightly older hardware. WP7 has only been in development for about 18 months. It's only been with OEMs for 12 months or so (in a basic form) and probably only 9 months or so for actual hardware development. You don't want to build a new phone with a new OS, with no experience with either, so it makes sense to use hardware you're familiar with. The HTC Desire Z with the new QSD8255 has probably been in development longer than the HD3/7.
QSD8250s are not underpowered, and considering the fact that WP7 doesn't allow third party developers to multitask, it's definitely up for the task.
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The first and last parts are so wrong that I won't even tell why, it's too obvious.
And yes the Q8250 isn't underpowered, it's pure crap graphics wise.
Gogo Samsung Cetus i917 with Hummingbird and SGX540, what a shame I liked the design of the HTC oh well, I'm not the only one.
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...the fact that it's likely not to make a huge amount of difference?
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The difference in GPU performance between the first and second generation Snapdragons (Adreno 200 vs 205) IS huge.
I own a EVO with the older GPU and the gaming performance is lousy compared to the current gen of high end mobile GPU's. Of course I have no doubt that WP7 will handle gaming a bit better than Android but it doesn't change the fact that it lags waaaay behind what both competitors and HTC itself is now offering. And like I said, a huge draw to WP7 is Xbox Live, so why skimp on the GPU?
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The difference in GPU performance between the first and second generation Snapdragons (Adreno 200 vs 205) IS huge.
I own a EVO with the older GPU and the gaming performance is lousy compared to the current gen of high end mobile GPU's. Of course I have no doubt that WP7 will handle gaming a bit better than Android but it doesn't change the fact that it lags waaaay behind what both competitors and HTC itself is now offering. And like I said, a huge draw to WP7 is Xbox Live, so why skimp on the GPU?
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i heared from a source that the graphics power that appear on our hd2 is not the really power due to the lack of drivers , and with wp7 that supports directx 9 the graphics will be improved allot more than what we see on our hd2 , and here is the proof of what i say , look at these videos running on htc mozart with same specifications , look at how the weather animations is smooth http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/16/i...ndows-phone-7/ the second video , by the way the 8250 processor and the 8gb memory is a limitation by microsoft for the first generation devices htc has nothing to do with that so don't flame them
hoss_n2 said:
i heared from a source that the graphics power that appear on our hd2 is not the really power due to the lack of drivers , and with wp7 that supports directx 9 the graphics will be improved allot more than what we see on our hd2 , and here is the proof of what i say , look at these videos running on htc mozart with same specifications , look at how the weather animations is smooth http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/16/i...ndows-phone-7/ the second video , by the way the 8250 processor and the 8gb memory is a limitation by microsoft for the first generation devices htc has nothing to do with that so don't flame them
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Another worker from HTC has appeared.
"the graphics power that appear on our hd2 is not the really power due to the lack of drivers"
Well the Android based devices with the 8250 doesn't lack drivers and performs crap compared to Adreno 205, SGX5x0 and Tegra 2.
" is a limitation by microsoft for the first generation devices htc has nothing to do with that so don't flame them"
It's the minimum requirement.
TheATHEiST said:
This is a complete joke, I consider this a downgrade not upgarde.
I can guarantee that I wont be getting a ****ty HD3, 8GB max storage my arse, what possible justification can M$ have to not allow storage card? I dont get it, does anybody know the reason as I cant think of a single reason why they would put this limitation on WP7 phones.
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MS said it on youtube viedo: They want that you can get apps only from marketplace and you can not "hack" them to your memory card. Something like that. And something about Zune content restrictions...
Sorry for the long post, can't be bothered replying lots of times!
BeEazy10 said:
Why would t-mobile release there first window seven phone and not put it on there 4G sever? i just dont believe this it sad sad sad the whole spec list is sad. I dont believe this would be the spec of the first WM7 phone it just to sad and way to early to say. But it just a rumor :O
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Because 4G isn't really available most places (and LTE is NOT 4G, it's just marketing rubbish). 4G will be big, and is better than 3.5G, but it's just not available enough (especially since the US has only recently decided 3G would be a good idea).
TheATHEiST said:
This is a complete joke, I consider this a downgrade not upgarde.
I can guarantee that I wont be getting a ****ty HD3, 8GB max storage my arse, what possible justification can M$ have to not allow storage card? I dont get it, does anybody know the reason as I cant think of a single reason why they would put this limitation on WP7 phones.
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It's not a maximum size, and there will be devices with more than 8GB on board, wait until more than one device has had provisional specs leaked before jumping to conclusions. The lack of user replaceable storage is to protect users unfamiliar with the platform, and smartphones in general, it's not as powerful an OS as WM6.X in terms of out of box things you can do, but the UX is much much better. If you don't like the hardware/software, stick with WM6.5, it's going to be supported and available for a few years yet, as it's still used in lots of places.
Mr.Sir said:
The first and last parts are so wrong that I won't even tell why, it's too obvious.
And yes the Q8250 isn't underpowered, it's pure crap graphics wise.
Gogo Samsung Cetus i917 with Hummingbird and SGX540, what a shame I liked the design of the HTC oh well, I'm not the only one.
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No WP7 device will have any hardware other than the QSD8250 SoC in the first round of devices. For the use in WP7, it's far from underpowered, and in every video I've seen (and from briefly playing with a device) it does everything needed, including very intensive graphics processing. Complain when you've tried it, not before.
Award Tour said:
The difference in GPU performance between the first and second generation Snapdragons (Adreno 200 vs 205) IS huge.
I own a EVO with the older GPU and the gaming performance is lousy compared to the current gen of high end mobile GPU's. Of course I have no doubt that WP7 will handle gaming a bit better than Android but it doesn't change the fact that it lags waaaay behind what both competitors and HTC itself is now offering. And like I said, a huge draw to WP7 is Xbox Live, so why skimp on the GPU?
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The only device with a more recent CPU/SoC is the Desire Z, and we've no real proof it's any better. From everything that's been shown off, WP7 test devices on pre-release hardware/software are fast enough for very heavy gaming. WP7 handles graphics very well.
hoss_n2 said:
i heared from a source that the graphics power that appear on our hd2 is not the really power due to the lack of drivers , and with wp7 that supports directx 9 the graphics will be improved allot more than what we see on our hd2 , and here is the proof of what i say , look at these videos running on htc mozart with same specifications , look at how the weather animations is smooth http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/16/i...ndows-phone-7/ the second video , by the way the 8250 processor and the 8gb memory is a limitation by microsoft for the first generation devices htc has nothing to do with that so don't flame them
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Firstly, there is no 8GB limitation.
DirectX 9, and excellent XNA support are big pluses of WP7, but the HD2 is probably fully utilising the hardware. WP7 is very good at handling graphics generally, and from what we've seen, it is more than capable on current hardware.
Mr.Sir said:
Another worker from HTC has appeared.
"the graphics power that appear on our hd2 is not the really power due to the lack of drivers"
Well the Android based devices with the 8250 doesn't lack drivers and performs crap compared to Adreno 205, SGX5x0 and Tegra 2.
" is a limitation by microsoft for the first generation devices htc has nothing to do with that so don't flame them"
It's the minimum requirement.
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first i don't work with Htc iam still 19 years old and iam studying mechanical design
second the graphics drivers on android are not good (chech your info) with some tweaks we got 33 fps on neocore , while stock only scores 26 fps
3rd all wp7 devices on release date will have common processors as windows is developed to work on this processors another tybes will come later after that .
and if you see the video i posted , you will know that hd2 processor graphics are enough , have you seen the weather animations i posted in the video , compare them to android and wm6.5 and you will understand what i mean as microsoft adds directx 9 drivers which improves performence allot
So, HD3/7 = "HD2 Windows Phone 7 Version"
It's really disappointing to think that HTC has voluntarily built the HD2 with some details to have an inconsistency with WP7.
l3v5y said:
Sorry for the long post, can't be bothered replying lots of times!
DirectX 9, and excellent XNA support are big pluses of WP7, but the HD2 is probably fully utilising the hardware. WP7 is very good at handling graphics generally, and from what we've seen, it is more than capable on current hardware.
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but i have noticed big improvements on graphical power on wp7 devices with similar gpu , so i think wm6.5 is not pushing the graphics on hd2 to its max
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Sorry for the long post, can't be bothered replying lots of times!
Because 4G isn't really available most places (and LTE is NOT 4G, it's just marketing rubbish). 4G will be big, and is better than 3.5G, but it's just not available enough (especially since the US has only recently decided 3G would be a good idea).
It's not a maximum size, and there will be devices with more than 8GB on board, wait until more than one device has had provisional specs leaked before jumping to conclusions. The lack of user replaceable storage is to protect users unfamiliar with the platform, and smartphones in general, it's not as powerful an OS as WM6.X in terms of out of box things you can do, but the UX is much much better. If you don't like the hardware/software, stick with WM6.5, it's going to be supported and available for a few years yet, as it's still used in lots of places.
No WP7 device will have any hardware other than the QSD8250 SoC in the first round of devices. For the use in WP7, it's far from underpowered, and in every video I've seen (and from briefly playing with a device) it does everything needed, including very intensive graphics processing. Complain when you've tried it, not before.
The only device with a more recent CPU/SoC is the Desire Z, and we've no real proof it's any better. From everything that's been shown off, WP7 test devices on pre-release hardware/software are fast enough for very heavy gaming. WP7 handles graphics very well.
Firstly, there is no 8GB limitation.
DirectX 9, and excellent XNA support are big pluses of WP7, but the HD2 is probably fully utilising the hardware. WP7 is very good at handling graphics generally, and from what we've seen, it is more than capable on current hardware.
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No proof the adreno 205 is better? The benchmarks are out and the desire HD crushes the old adreno by a lot.
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I will pass this is the same as my hd2
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but i have noticed big improvements on graphical power on wp7 devices with similar gpu , so i think wm6.5 is not pushing the graphics on hd2 to its max
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Still doesn't change the fact that HTC uses a 2 year old CPU when there are newer ones available. The newer ones are better and more efficient aswell.
It's okay to think "the older one fits the job, just not as good, but's it's cheaper" for a cheap device but not about their upcoming flagship, this is embarrassing.
To General!
~~Tito~~
HD3 sucks!
I was really looking forward to the HD3 but now based on looks/specc I really changed my mind (which also saves me about £500).
And this is for many reasons like:
Looks like **** - especially the back cover
Camera is 5MP, HD2 has 8MP
8GB internal storage and no microSD card (I currently use a 16GB microSD card on th HD2)
iPhone 4 has a better specc than this. Actually all phones have a better specc than this.
TFT Screen. HD2 uses AMOLED.
Not to mention all the restrictions on WP7. All people that know me call me an M$ funboy but I guess I will shock everyone when I get an iPhone 4.
Commercial name: HTC Trophy (HTC 7)
Codename: Spark
Specifications:
WVGA screen
8-Megapixel camera
1GHz Snapdragon processor (QSD8250)
3G Network: HSDPA 900 / 2100
Hope it's interesting
Regards,
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I have to confess, unless you're talking about the 8 MP camera, I don't see anything that was unknown from earlier leaks. Is that what you're referring to, or am I missing something obvious?
Also, I'd recommend taking down the second image. The name of the user logged in isn't blocked in that screenshot.
Cheers,
--VelJharig
Any more part numbers/models listed? Anything showing US models?
VelJharig said:
I have to confess, unless you're talking about the 8 MP camera, I don't see anything that was unknown from earlier leaks. Is that what you're referring to, or am I missing something obvious?
Also, I'd recommend taking down the second image. The name of the user logged in isn't blocked in that screenshot.
Cheers,
--VelJharig
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Thanks for the head up
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Any more part numbers/models listed? Anything showing US models?
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I only have access to the European portal atm.
Can't believe HTC uses the Q8250 which is now almost 100% confirmed.
Byebye HTC, never liked your phones anyway, they are crappy as phones. Pooooooooooor speakers, pooooooooor batterylife, poooooooooooooooor cameras, pooooooooooor reception.
All above is right compared to other brands, the 4 most important things in a phone aswell, bad bad.
This certainly doesn't look like they are shaping up
Edit: Either way, good find OP
I, for one, don't care what chip is in my phone as long as the outcome is good. From everything we've seen, the performance, including 3D Games, is pretty damn good.
RustyGrom said:
I, for one, don't care what chip is in my phone as long as the outcome is good. From everything we've seen, the performance, including 3D Games, is pretty damn good.
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But could have been better, as well as:
*Cheaper
*More energy efficient
*Newer
Why accept old "crap" in extremely expensive premium devices?
Mr.Sir said:
Can't believe HTC uses the Q8250 which is now almost 100% confirmed.
Byebye HTC, never liked your phones anyway, they are crappy as phones. Pooooooooooor speakers, pooooooooor batterylife, poooooooooooooooor cameras, pooooooooooor reception.
All above is right compared to other brands, the 4 most important things in a phone aswell, bad bad.
This certainly doesn't look like they are shaping up
Edit: Either way, good find OP
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I don't don't seem to understand why your angry at HTC and MS for using the Q8250 processor.
Think about it this way, That processor is the minimum hardware requirement for WP7, so every application and game will be optimized for all devices and developers can take full advantage of the hardware.
Now lets talk about Android fragmentation. Even if you get a Android device with a 2ghz processor and Froyo the applications won't take full advantage of you hardware. Why is that? Because there are Froyo devices on the market with 528mhz and 600mhz qualcomm processors.
Mr.Sir said:
But could have been better, as well as:
*Cheaper
*More energy efficient
*Newer
Why accept old "crap" in extremely expensive premium devices?
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Because it's not "ancient" or "crap" and will allow for devices to be cheaper than they otherwise would be.
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But could have been better, as well as:
*Cheaper
*More energy efficient
*Newer
Why accept old "crap" in extremely expensive premium devices?
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I also can't understand what is happening? It's one thing if HTC would have gone mad or something, but all leaks is pointing towards the QSD8250.
If you don't want a cheaper phone that preforms better and have a better battery time, it's up to you, but I want exactly that!
I hate to state the obvious but doesn't EVERY first gen wp7 device have the same qualcomm processor? strict hardware requirements anyone?
I mean if you knock htc for doing that you may as well knock everyone else for doing it. Fact is that's what microsoft specified for the first crop of devices
domineus said:
I hate to state the obvious but doesn't EVERY first gen wp7 device have the same qualcomm processor? strict hardware requirements anyone?
I mean if you knock htc for doing that you may as well knock everyone else for doing it. Fact is that's what microsoft specified for the first crop of devices
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Do you have a link? We're just complaining that all the leaks are leading to the first gen Qualcomm processor. You know, the one that was in the Toshiba TG-01 back in June 09, with the lacklustre Adreno 200 GPU. If it's the newer snapdragons with the Adreno205 GPU, then that'd be ALOT more acceptable for a current generation device.
In saying that, the Harvest game demo looks hot, but personally, i find it hard to believe that the Adreno200 is doing such good eye candy. I'd like to be proven wrong.
I'm still crossing my fingers that Samsung will have a hummingbird/SGX540 in theirs.
I just want to know what people are referencing to make them think the 8650 is cheaper than the 8250? I'm not buying that.
RustyGrom said:
I just want to know what people are referencing to make them think the 8650 is cheaper than the 8250? I'm not buying that.
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Dont know about cheaper, but it should be abit faster, and less power hungry giving better battery life, due to it being 45nm rather than 65nm. The real breaker is the GPU really. The Adreno 200 on the QSD8250 is like 1/3 the speed of the SGX540.
There are still rumours about that WP7 devices might have the QSD8250A processor @ 1.3ghz, so theres still hope.
Here's a list of Snapdragon CPU's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(processor)
Cruzer1 said:
Dont know about cheaper, but it should be abit faster, and less power hungry giving better battery life, due to it being 45nm rather than 65nm. The real breaker is the GPU really. The Adreno 200 on the QSD8250 is like 1/3 the speed of the SGX540.
There are still rumours about that WP7 devices might have the QSD8250A processor @ 1.3ghz, so theres still hope.
Here's a list of Snapdragon CPU's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(processor)
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Well I get that but people are claiming that it's cheaper as well which seems highly unlikely to me. Maybe over time but not yet.
45nm parts are cheaper to make since they can fit more of them on a single wafer. I have no idea if they are sold cheaper or not to manufacturers but they are cheaper to make.
Op thanks for the look. You still need to remove the second pic as there is no information that isn't in the first except who is logged in.
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Because it's not "ancient" or "crap" and will allow for devices to be cheaper than they otherwise would be.
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I believe the 8255 is cheaper, because it's manufactured on a 45nm process instead of the 65nm. That means more chips per waffer = lower prices.
krjcook said:
I don't don't seem to understand why your angry at HTC and MS for using the Q8250 processor.
Think about it this way, That processor is the minimum hardware requirement for WP7, so every application and game will be optimized for all devices and developers can take full advantage of the hardware.
Now lets talk about Android fragmentation. Even if you get a Android device with a 2ghz processor and Froyo the applications won't take full advantage of you hardware. Why is that? Because there are Froyo devices on the market with 528mhz and 600mhz qualcomm processors.
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I partly agree, however:
Microsoft have said all phones will run all programs, no fragmentation. But we do know that if not the first wave uses the Adreno 205, the second one will. How long will the game developers care about the ones with the first Adreno 200 users?
So,
I'm waiting for the Dell Venue Pro to be released, but it keeps getting delayed...
I'm wondering if some manufactureres would be releasing new phones close to the release of the dvp, thuss, maybe there would be some better phones by then...?
Anyone read something interesting?
quinstar said:
So,
I'm waiting for the Dell Venue Pro to be released, but it keeps getting delayed...
I'm wondering if some manufactureres would be releasing new phones close to the release of the dvp, thuss, maybe there would be some better phones by then...?
Anyone read something interesting?
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That's truly an interesting question for one reason: MS will be doing updating and all phones are suppose to be similar hardware wise...to avoid fragmentation. I believe, with the exception of screen types and camera res, that every WP7 phone currently released, and likely the CDMA versions included, use the same processing hardware.
The reason this is interesting is because, how will MS handle hardware evolution. These WP7 phones certainly can't remain the same forever. Eventually there will be 1.5GHz CPUs and higher res screens. How will MS handle incorporating phones equipped with higher speed CPUs and higher res screens into WP7 filled with the current tech. The whole point of WP7 is keep things level across the board. A current 1GHz SnapDragon certainly would not be level with a 1.5 or 2GHz FlamingLizard dual core CPU.
MartyLK said:
That's truly an interesting question for one reason: MS will be doing updating and all phones are suppose to be similar hardware wise...to avoid fragmentation. I believe, with the exception of screen types and camera res, that every WP7 phone currently released, and likely the CDMA versions included, use the same processing hardware.
The reason this is interesting is because, how will MS handle hardware evolution. These WP7 phones certainly can't remain the same forever. Eventually there will be 1.5GHz CPUs and higher res screens. How will MS handle incorporating phones equipped with higher speed CPUs and higher res screens into WP7 filled with the current tech. The whole point of WP7 is keep things level across the board. A current 1GHz SnapDragon certainly would not be level with a 1.5 or 2GHz FlamingDragon dual core CPU.
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Windows Phone 8 in a year?
It'll be like games consoles, a new one every 5 years or so. After all, with the OS being as fast as it is on 1GHz processors, nobody cares about 1.5GHz ones. Except geeks.
As a geek, I can say that I would insta-buy a FlamingLizard device. That name is just pure awesome.
Seriously though, certain hardware was specified because MS is providing the correct drivers to use that hardware correctly (glowers @ HTC). When new stuff hits, MS will pick a new item they like, make drivers for it, and tell OEM's what to use, just like they've done with the current line. MS has way too much invested in WP7 to let it get relegated to second-rate hardware. Even if Metro doesn't ask for a huge level of processing power, MS is heavily pushing live integration, and I believe that they will be all over stuffing powerful processors into phones in order to sell them as gaming platforms.
MS could go apples way.
Every year in november for example, ms could allow to use higher hardware.
Like: iphone 2g, 3g, 3gs, 4
And ms give us a wp7 version for each generation of wp7 phones
i think the best way for MS to give the hardware manufacturers more capabilities would be to set up benchmarking for all the different components. have the current components as the benchmark for example, and if they want to change say the CPU/GPU, it has to outperform the current benchmark. this way, it becomes a lot more like Android in the manufacturers can make the devices the way they'd like using the parts they'd like.
the only issue is, MS would need to be involved in creating every driver for every different component. i think at present it's quite restricted down to particular components so that you get a good boot up time and running experience, because there isn't redundant/generic drivers on the phone.
As far as I know the requirements aren't as specific as what people are saying, but more "Minimum Requirements"
From what I can remember it's something along the lines of
AT LEAST a 1ghz Processor
AT LEAST a 3.5" Screen
AT LEAST 8Gb Storage
etc etc.
So new devices can come out with faster processors, they wont though... Manufacturers will milk the cheapest hardware for as long as they can. I would expect a rehash of requirements each year.
The whole point of it all isn't really to keep things level, it's to make sure that underpowered devices aren't released that run the OS like crap (Eg Wildfire, Tattoo) and also so that devices aren't released running a version of the OS that's over a year old (Xperia X10)
yeah thats what I was wondering. Those were the minimum requirements not specific reqs as people assume. The hardware manufacturers just stuck to those to save costs. I'm sure if MS did not have these then they would have used even lower end crap, thus destroying any chance WP7 has of attaining success.
FL5 said:
As a geek, I can say that I would insta-buy a FlamingLizard device. That name is just pure awesome.
Seriously though, certain hardware was specified because MS is providing the correct drivers to use that hardware correctly (glowers @ HTC). When new stuff hits, MS will pick a new item they like, make drivers for it, and tell OEM's what to use, just like they've done with the current line. MS has way too much invested in WP7 to let it get relegated to second-rate hardware. Even if Metro doesn't ask for a huge level of processing power, MS is heavily pushing live integration, and I believe that they will be all over stuffing powerful processors into phones in order to sell them as gaming platforms.
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+1 for the flaminglizard dual core cpu. or even blazedmonkey dual core cpu. or bullsballz dual core cpu. so long as it's dual core, i'll buy it. hell, i might even buy it if it ran windows, then dump a android rom on it and have a flaming-dog-ballz rooted/ unlocked dual core cpu smash phone.
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+1 for the flaminglizard dual core cpu. or even blazedmonkey dual core cpu. or bullsballz dual core cpu. so long as it's dual core, i'll buy it. hell, i might even buy it if it ran windows, then dump a android rom on it and have a flaming-dog-ballz rooted/ unlocked dual core cpu smash phone.
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LMAO...funny stuff!
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yeah thats what I was wondering. Those were the minimum requirements not specific reqs as people assume. The hardware manufacturers just stuck to those to save costs. I'm sure if MS did not have these then they would have used even lower end crap, thus destroying any chance WP7 has of attaining success.
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I think what certainly would have happened, at least with HTC is they would have 1 premier device, probably the HD7 in it's current iteration. The rest of the devices would then go from Bad to Absolute ****. The Trophy or Mozart would probably have a smaller screen and a severely slow processor by today's standards.
What will happen eventually is someone will realise that the majority of the handsets are the same and release something with better specs than the current bunch in an attempt to stand out from the crowd. My guess is it will be LG
Here's my take on it.
First half of 2011:
* Chassis 2 handsets start appearing, being technically the same as launch devices.
Come November 2011:
* WP8 devices come consisting of second or third gen snapdragons and/or introduce another SoC like Hummingbird or OMAP.
* Chassis 3 handsets also start appearing (tablets or gaming style deisgn like PSPhone maybe?)
My wishes:
* Resolution bump for tablets and smartphones
* Hero phone introduced by Microsoft (much like the Nexus series), Zune/xbox phone anyone?
edit: looks like WP8 will actually be coming out end of 2012 http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/windows-phone-7-mango-rumors
I take no credit for this, ita a great article i came across that made the most sense in a while related to hardware :
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011...erately-need-more-powerful-devices-this-year/
As you have probably already noticed I was at Mobile World Congress this week so I had the opportunity to play around with some of the latest and most powerful handsets ever created. This year was obviously dominated by Google’s Android platform which took center stage at the convention with essentially every OEMs demonstrating or unveiling products running the immensely successful OS. What does it have to do with Windows Phone 7 hardware ? Well if there’s one thing that really garbed my attention it is the fact that not a single Android device I played with was as snappy and smooth as the Samsung Omnia 7 device I had in my pocket (or any iPhone model). Yes some of the devices on display were running non finalized software and probably hardware too but this has already been the case with retail devices like the Galaxy S and Desire HD which feature more powerful hardware than all the currently released WP7 devices.
I will repeat what I have been saying for a while: Android is the new Windows Mobile. OEMs want to differentiate their the products and one of the best way to do this is to use the latest and greatest chipsets, screen technology or other fancy hardware components. But as an end user, why should I care about the newest Exynos 4210, TI OMAP 4430, Tegra 2 if it can’t provide me with the same user experience as the now nearly 3 years old QSD8250 found in my Windows Phone 7 device? Similar to the old Windows Mobile days; OEMs are using Android’s “openness” as a test bed for their new CPUs and chipsets and are pumping out devices with crazy hardware specifications to show themselves in the press and sell device purely based on check list features: Dual-Core CPU ? Check. XX Mpix camera ? Check. 3D Cameras? Check. Huge Screen? Check etc. The issue here is that device manufacturers are more interested in time to market so optimizing the software to work with the hardware is just an afterthought. It’s not Google’s job to code the driver for the Samsung Exynos or for TI’s OMAP4. Google doesn’t even want to get the browser to use GPU acceleration for smoother scrolling and panning so the device manufacturers shouldn’t even count on the big G to give them any kind meaningful help in this department (Samsung has apparently implemented GPU acceleration to the browser in some unreleased Galaxy S firmware builds).
HTC has apparently learned the lesson a long time ago and has instead decided to milk the same SoC for while and instead just improve it’s Sense software layer every time it releases a new batch of devices. The end user is in both cases being presented with less than optimal solutions / offerings: On one hand you have new hardware that goes totally unused (Samsung, LG) and on the other you are buying exactly the same hardware but with an updated software layer (HTC).
Now let’s go back to Windows Phone 7 for minute. Take a Google Nexus One/ HTC Desire and compare it to the similarly speced WP7 devices. Which one is the snappiest and offers the smoothest UX? Same for the HTC HD2 running WM6.5 compared to the same device running Windows Phone 7. Microsoft has several big advantage with WP7 compared to Android. First, the have enforced strict HW guidelines and are currently only supporting Qualcomm’s Snapdragon SoCs and their Adreno GPUs. Secondly the Adreno GPUs are closely related to the Xenos GPU found in the Xbox360 so the company was already quite a bit familiar with architecture. Thirdly they control the APIs (Direct3D Mobile through DXGI and probably Direct2D for IE9 Mobile) unlike Android which relies on OpenGL ES and the drivers developed by the chipset manufacturers. The Windows Phone 7 ecosystem is like a console ecosystem with one set of drivers and APIs all controlled and certified by Microsoft while Android is more like a PC ecosystem filled with tons of different hardware configurations, driver versions controlled by nobody (Qualcomm even told me that OEMs don’t really bother including the latest drivers in the devices just because they are more concerned by the shipping date of the handset than with the end user experience. For example, as of right now the SE Xperia Play is the Android handset that has the latest Adreno 205 drivers).
Who would have thought that Microsoft would be able to easily port IE9 (which requires a DX10 GPU on the desktop) to Windows Phone 7 which only runs on a relatively old Adreno 200 GPU (DX9 capable) ins such a short time? Now take a look at the current state of the Webkit on Android: Yes it’s blazing fast at loading web pages on those super powerful handsets but after that the UX is simply anticlimactic because of the lack of HW acceleration. This is supposed to be fixed in Honeycomb on the tablets right? But where’s the smartphone version? From what I have seen at MWC the touch responsiveness of the Android 3.0 tablets varies greatly from one device maker to another. So once again Google’s lack of control of the hardware and drivers is going to hurt the end user.
This is not to say that Windows Phone 7 should be stuck with the current QSD8250. New high-end WP7 devices are going to be announced later this year because technology evolves at a rapid pace and Microsoft will obviously want to support higher resolution screens and video formats (and yes they are working on new Chassis but the Nokia partnership which was decided only last Thursday changed some of the plans), more graphically intensive 3D games and applications but the point here is that they are in no rush to do this because they can squeeze a lot more out of the first generation Snapdragon SoC than what is possible with Android. Everything I just said so far also applies to Apple’s iPhone which is quite similar to Windows Phone 7 and I personally think that there’s no need for Apple to switch to a dual-core SoC for the upcoming iPhone 5 given that the A4 is still powerful enough for 99% of the tasks (but if they do then you can be sure that they will have the software to take advantage of it). Android is obviously a really great OS that I enjoy using it on a daily basis thanks to all the features it supports but Google should really stop the madness and take over control of what should or shouldn’t be done on the platform. OEMs are loving it right now because they are free to do whatever they see fit but I really think that it will hurt the platform in the long run when people start to realise that they paying for hardware that most of the time isn’t used all or just paying for a software update (HTC..).
What Windows Phone 7 is in desperate need of is software updates filled with differentiating features and thrid-party access to more APIs so they developers can create more exciting and advanced applications.
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Pretty much the facts.... I mean that is just an astounding article... spot on.
As an Android user who is otherwise impartial to OS wars, I wholeheartedly agree. For months now, I've been telling people that Android reminds me of the old Windows Mobile. Every WM7 device I have ever played with has exhibited exemplary smoothness and snappyness compared to any Android handset you care to name. It's a shame because Android is really good otherwise.
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IMO, although it would be nice to have, WP7 doesnt have to go overboard like Android is doing when it comes to specs as to dual core cpu's, 3d displays and such. I believe that they should improve hardware based on features such as front facing camera to add video chat functinality, perhaps a video output via 3.5mm jack (since requiring hdmi might be pushing it a little across all oem's) etc.
Im positive that if they bump up the cpu to support at least second gen snapdragon with its 45nm architecture, improved 205 Adreno GPU and much faster clock per clock compared to first gen, i have no doubt that besides the inmensly graphical stressing situations, WP7 would run circles round any dual core Android device since it being used to its full potential and proper optimization and drivers makes it not have a elephant on its back to carry
I think it is a given that we will eventually see more powerful Qualcomm SoCs show up in WP7 devices, and possibly other manufacturers' SoCs. This generation might become the "budget" chassis in 2012...Who knows?
What I do like, and want it to remain the same, is the fact that Microsoft needs to certify whatever hardware specs is used, so when updates are pushed out, Microsoft wouldn't need to run to each manufacturer and ask for drivers...
I'm sold where can I buy one? I kid, I kid. I have a Focus.
One thing is for sure, the overall opinion of the phone UI is excellent for all the listed reasons. Thanks for the post.
I compare this current experience to my experience with Windows 7 rc. Much like the day I installed Windows 7 to my lowly Dual Core (e2150, 2gb, 7200 HDD), it was good but not great in terms of speed, quick but not fast. Then, the cycle moved on and new hardware at low prices came into my life...
Now at Quad Core, 8 gb, Dual GPU, SSD, it is like driving a Buggati Veyron, downhill, on a 5 lane speedway, with no traffic. Life is instantaneous, the only limit...my ability to click as fast as it acts. ha! It happens as if I had on a thinking helmet and it sucked the idea out of my head!
I can only imagine wp7 on the set of phones that will come out...8 months...1 to 2 years from today...oh yeaaaaaa
close your eyes, think about it. Did you think about it? Think again, that's right. Amazing.
Wasn't that nice? Ahhhh yeaaaaaa
With dual core and a 2x faster GPU...oh my...it will get smoother and faster...hard to imagine and exciting at the same time. :splooge:
All in due time, I am happy with my phone today and happily have put my development time into other projects and not Wm6.5. Like this one from Johnny http://hackaday.com/2011/02/09/low-cost-video-chat-robot/
The current WP7 devices are fine. Just make sure you get one with 16G Storage and 512+ RAM or hope you're gonna be lucky enough to find a big SD Card that works well the first time. Data loss due to a bad/incompatible SD Card months down the line is... Unfun!
I want my next phone to have the IBM Watson OS
I don't really expect to see WP7 handsets with faster processors. It isn't needed. Every app or game being made will be aiming for a certain minimum standard.
I do see improvements coming in extra features (like a front facing camera). And I do expect to see handsets with more and more memory.
If the end of 2011 brought WP7 devices with the current processor, but also offered 768 MB RAM, 32 GB storage and a front facing camera, that would be one hell of a competitive device.
Then in the holiday of 2012 we could see WP8 push the hardware limits by launching with some really high minimum specs. But at the same time, still support WP7 for "budget" handsets.
They need sexier devices. I must admit the three buttons on the front do look classy.
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I don't really expect to see WP7 handsets with faster processors. It isn't needed. Every app or game being made will be aiming for a certain minimum standard.
I do see improvements coming in extra features (like a front facing camera). And I do expect to see handsets with more and more memory.
If the end of 2011 brought WP7 devices with the current processor, but also offered 768 MB RAM, 32 GB storage and a front facing camera, that would be one hell of a competitive device.
Then in the holiday of 2012 we could see WP8 push the hardware limits by launching with some really high minimum specs. But at the same time, still support WP7 for "budget" handsets.
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The minimum specs must be maintained and they must be maintained at a level that ensures user experience will not be compromised for people who bought launch devices. In the holiday season of 2012 people will still be stuck on contract with current devices, probably for months to come.
All of a sudden apps will be updated in a way that their phones will choke running these apps.
Just upping the minimum specs because you think it sounds cute is a dumb idea. I doubt Microsoft will do it, and if they do, people will sort of laugh at them and they will lose a ton of customers. By then RIM will have QNX Blackberries and WebOS may be well-developed. There will be even more choices than we have today...
They really have to take an "Apple" approach to hardware support, IMO. It's the only thing that makes sense sort of overspeccing your devices and enticing a bunch of geeks to upgrade their phones every year for major software updates/bug fixes every 9 months to a year.
Yeah but is it partially due to room? I mean, Sense ROMs running slower than the cleaned up and simpler AOSP ROMs? I get the lack of acceleration ... a d understand the end result and why people might complain ... but my phone is snappy even though at times I notice slow down .. but that is hardly reason to ignore stability updates, even others. I mean , while my phone might be running smooth here ... it may slow down there. I see the choppy scroll .. but I've seen friends WP7 - uh, phones? - slow down at times too.
I get sick of this WP7 is constantly butter because its not. More often than not? Sure. But I rarely get agitated at the speed of mu device and most don't either ... sure I can see it, but I've also seen my.phone jump as much as my friends WP7 devices. It all depends. Overall, sure ... but it still doesnt touch iOS. To think you are major steps ahead is hype. More overhead here .... lack of acceleration here ... it's not shocking when you think about it. Android uses more resources and overhead ... you have such q standardized system. Its almost not surprising. And it's NOT suggestive of you being "good" at the moment.
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That's a great article. I agree 100%. I had a Samsung Galaxy S and with it's freshest time it had the most powerful chips int the markets, but even today it is not lag free, because of crappy Samsung optimizations to the software. That's why I really don't believe the new Galaxy S II will be any better with it's dual core. You could see it from the videos, that it's laggy at the moment and I don't believe Samsung will get it lag free ever.
fast hardware = bad ?
this smacks of hardware envy something terrible.
surrrrre, android + quad cores will suck... but wp8 will be perfect. whatever, if ever.
N8ter said:
The current WP7 devices are fine. Just make sure you get one with 16G Storage and 512+ RAM or hope you're gonna be lucky enough to find a big SD Card that works well the first time. Data loss due to a bad/incompatible SD Card months down the line is... Unfun!
I want my next phone to have the IBM Watson OS
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Why is 512+ RAM important, I was thing about getting the HTC 7 Pro, which only has 448 RAM and also is 16gb necessary if I don't use my phone as a media player as HTC 7 Pro only has 8gb as well?
Beesneazy, you're either completely full of crap or just delusional. I mean wow. Android fanboyism at its ugliest. Yeesh.
Ohgood, did you read the article? If you did, perhaps it's time to go back to Hooked on Phonics to work on word comprehension...
Anyhow, on topic, I completely agree with the article posted by OP. Kiddies like these Android fanboys love to deny the truth but it is what it is. Did everyone really think Microsoft would just sit back and be pummeled in the mobile phone market forever? With the right moves in the future WP7 will be huge. Maybe knock Android back down to third or fourth place and setup a head to head with iOS...
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this smacks of hardware envy something terrible.
surrrrre, android + quad cores will suck... but wp8 will be perfect. whatever, if ever.
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Yes, and when you get your quad core phones that are still lagging, and still dont recieve the latest updates, and are still running a version of android that is essentially a pallet swap of 2.1 and still looks like a low end iphone we'll be happy with our maybe dual or maybe quad-core phones that run smoother, have better games (because aside from iphone ports and maybe 1-2 other games androids selection is just terrible), have a decent media player, have oustanding integration with business and personal matters, and we'll actually have a NEW OS not just an overhyped pallet swap of the previous version.
Fact WP7 will never catch Android or IOS.
Sure WP7 is nice. Serious competitor, nope.
Think realistic and remove your love affair. Maybe WP7 can be 5th place or if things go well 4th place.
Now flame on.
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The minimum specs must be maintained and they must be maintained at a level that ensures user experience will not be compromised for people who bought launch devices. In the holiday season of 2012 people will still be stuck on contract with current devices, probably for months to come.
All of a sudden apps will be updated in a way that their phones will choke running these apps.
Just upping the minimum specs because you think it sounds cute is a dumb idea. I doubt Microsoft will do it, and if they do, people will sort of laugh at them and they will lose a ton of customers. By then RIM will have QNX Blackberries and WebOS may be well-developed. There will be even more choices than we have today...
They really have to take an "Apple" approach to hardware support, IMO. It's the only thing that makes sense sort of overspeccing your devices and enticing a bunch of geeks to upgrade their phones every year for major software updates/bug fixes every 9 months to a year.
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I'm not sure what you're attempting to address when you quoted me. I never mentioned changing the minimum specs of WP7.
And I think it's pretty much guaranteed that WP8 will have a completely different set of minimum specs. Do you expect it to never change?
vetvito said:
They need sexier devices. I must admit the three buttons on the front do look classy.
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Exactly! I agree they don't need more powerful devices but they do need more appealing hardware (for a start a 32GB device would do no harm).
vetvito said:
Fact WP7 will never catch Android or IOS.
Sure WP7 is nice. Serious competitor, nope.
Think realistic and remove your love affair. Maybe WP7 can be 5th place or if things go well 4th place.
Now flame on.
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Sad but true. WP7 is quite late and if you think about it the real launch will be with Nokia, I doubt they'll sell anything before that as nothing has changed since October.
vetvito said:
Fact WP7 will never catch Android or IOS.
Sure WP7 is nice. Serious competitor, nope.
Think realistic and remove your love affair. Maybe WP7 can be 5th place or if things go well 4th place.
Now flame on.
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this is true only because the majority of cellphone owners are complete morons.
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011...e-cpu-and-gpu-chipsets-coming-later-this-year
Does wp7 really want to be only single-core really old hardware? This new hardware in the end 2011 with Android even if unoptimised will kick ass to wp7 in current specs chassis even with Mango enhacments... MS needs to work harder...
Much better games performance, faster loading apps... etc...
75% lower power... I think MS needs to step back on power restrictions... this chips will be 75% less power... they are restricting too much the OS against the Android when the new chips will have a much better battery and performance rate than the actual ones...
Well, the benefit of multiple cores isn't as obvious as one may think because software has to be written in a special way in order to benefit from more than one core. So basically buying a phone with two cores running current versions of Android or WP7 or whatever is most probably just a waste.
That being said, newer processors are built using 45nm technology and consume less power, so using those more modern cores would probably be more noticeable.
And of course it's all going the way of megapixels. Since most people will automatically assume that if you have twice as many cores the thing will run twice as fast, you sort of must use those multiple cores, no matter if it benefits the end user or not.
So yeah, I guess MS have to update hardware support...
actually 28nm...
and this new hardware, have 2.5Ghz... even if they are multi-core they should go faster then current 1ghz... with less power... and games would benefit a whole lot...
besides even if current software isn't optimized, as soon as this harware would be released people would start to optimize it. Android already start it. Does MS wants to be on the back of mobile competion, again?
Whether games will be rewritten or not depends on how widespread those multicore devices will be and when. So far games aren't exactly utilizing modern hardware - how many of them take advantage of Samsung's awesome GPUs built into Galaxy S phones? When 90% of devices in the market don't have this type of tech, what's the point of rewriting everything just to accomodate for the 10%?
Now, I'm not saying that multiple cores aren't awesome, I'm just saying that it's highly unlikely that you'll see real benefit from them this year.
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actually 28nm...
and this new hardware, have 2.5Ghz... even if they are multi-core they should go faster then current 1ghz... with less power... and games would benefit a whole lot...
besides even if current software isn't optimized, as soon as this harware would be released people would start to optimize it. Android already start it. Does MS wants to be on the back of mobile competion, again?
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First: no flame intended.
You're making a lot of assumptions. Faster, less power. Don't look into the neighbor's garden to fix your own garden. Think what is necessary for WP7 to advance and be better.
Then, Android is so fragmented and has sooooo many models I wouldn't know where to start if I would want to try one. There is no real stability in term of standards. Every 6 months there's a better phone (like a new generation) and you end up with an older model after that period. So basically the cycle is much shorter than on every other platform. Even iPhone has a 1 year cycle. And I don't even want to think about privacy issues there, you basically upload all your data and behavior somewhere else and agree it can be used by others...
But that is not the real issue. People expect a platform to mature over night. It won't happen, we all need to be a bit patient. If you're looking for future features now, then you've already made a mistake, regardless of what platform you're on.
People should understand what they want from a phone first. We all know it's easier to spot problems with the things you're familiar with and you see the others as better. But once you try the others you realize it's the same story again, it looked better before when you didn't know it.
To conclude: my WP7 phone does exactly what's supposed to do, with the current hardware specs. Can it do more? Sure, but we have to be a bit patient. Then, if it doesn't deliver, try something else. Until then, I don't want to be a technology nomad, I'll always be unhappy as in a few months there will always be a better phone. I'd rather stick with something until it matures a bit and enjoy the ride/phone.
You do realise that the Chasis is minimum specs right? Manufaturers can use what they want as long as it's above those specs.
^ not for chips.
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You do realise that the Chasis is minimum specs right? Manufaturers can use what they want as long as it's above those specs.
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not really... you are wrong... they can for components... camera, etc... not chips...
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not really... you are wrong... they can for components... camera, etc... not chips...
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Fair enough, my bad.
The good thing about how MS is handling hardware is also the bad thing. They are making the drivers so we don't have to worry about putting up with crappy drivers from OEM's like HTC. The bad thing is in order to see newer hardware, MS has to release an update for said hardware's drivers. Mango will include drivers for a newer chipset, just not this Quad Core. Than again, the Quad isn't due out till the end of 2012, so why add support now or even write drivers for unfinished hardware.
I dont see the need for multiple cores, am i the only person?
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I dont see the need for multiple cores, am i the only person?
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+1
I want to use my phone primary as a "information device", I use it to check my mails, send messages, update facebook, look things up on Wikipedia, search translations and browse the web. In order to do these things my old HTC Touch with 200 MHz was enough (it was slow but it has done the job well :-D ). But new devices like the WP7s add further possibilities. Entertaining has become more important. Entertaining has becom more important. But in order to use the handset as media player i don't think a Dual-Core Processor is necessary. And honestly, if I want to play a game with high graphics, i use my PC.
I don't want to complain but i totally agree with you moneysaver... Using Dual-Core processors would on one hand increase the gaming experience but on the other increase the price and drain more power. In my opinion "better" processor would bring to many downsides ATM. Another thing is, that you can outsource all heavy calculations to the cloud...
In short: If someone would offer me a phone with a efficient Dual-Core Processor, I would't say no. But i wouldn't say a Dual-Core Processor is a must-have...
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Most important is low power with fast processor.
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well low power it fast processor is exactly what this new chips are...
twitter takes 7 seconds to fully open... with a 2.5ghz would take 3 seconds and with a dual core much less... and which less consuptiom i cant see what how bad could it be...
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Most important is low power with fast processor.
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The newer chips consumes less power
tfouto said:
well low power it fast processor is exactly what this new chips are...
twitter takes 7 seconds to fully open... with a 2.5ghz would take 3 seconds and with a dual core much less... and which less consuptiom i cant see what how bad could it be...
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I 'd rather have a fully used single core processor with optimized drivers from Microsoft than a 5GHz quad core with no software to use it. Next update will bring lower memory consumption and other optimizations that will be enough to coast us to 2012 were another update will (probably ? ) be released to support the upgraded chassis specs (dual cores maybe?)
iPhones have shown that optimized software makes up for less powered hardware (my wife's 3Gs is a living proof of that)
Android: Non-optmized OS.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/28/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-review/
- Class-leading speed and responsiveness
i sincerely dont believe that wp7 Mango optimized with current Snapdragon can compete with this speed... and the later HTC EVO 3D... and of course
battery life...