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After having used my Hero for 1 week now, I grew tired of the sense UI.
I do not need the HTC widgets, or the keyboard/ custom contact lists or 7 homescreens.
That is why I want to run the original vanilla 1.6/donut on my HTC Hero.
I don't want any custom roms, because I trust that Google is able to make the OS fast as it is. Plus I hate custom hacks and things I don't know about which somebody put in.
So can anyone give instructions on how to do this?
(Plus will the camera, buttons, lights still work?)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=567672
You could however just start using the standard Android interface instead of Sense and that way skip all the HTC apps.
kosmiq said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=567672
You could however just start using the standard Android interface instead of Sense and that way skip all the HTC apps.
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Thanks! I could not find that topic through the search (came up with people who want updated 1.6 on Sense UI however).
I Understood that I can use the standard interface, which I am doing at the moment. This only works for the homescreen though. The colors, and contact lists are still hero (spammed with flckr twitter, facebook, etc) Also the keyboards are still hero this way.
I have a feeling it is still in the memory, because my friends G1 (1.5) seems to run faster, even though the specs are the same (save for 7200/7201 cpu)
Bear in mind that it's quite unlikely that you'll be able to get everything up and running on Donut, as it really requires the kernel source for Hero to be released. I'm not saying that it's impossible, as a lot of good work has already been completed, but without the kernel source it is a good order of magnitude harder!
Regards,
Dave
Sorry, I cannot seem to change the title.
I would also be happy with Vanilla 1.5 on my Hero, as I don't need the features. It is to my understanding that the HTC Magic is running 1.5 android, without the Sense UI. I am currently searching if somebody successfully ported 1.5 vanilla to the hero.
(with successfully I mean with everything working).
I would even be content if I can use my hero firmware, while restoring the original google apps, contact list, keyboard, homescreen, lockscreen etc.
so a htc 1.5 rom with turned-off sense is not good enough for you? might become difficult then, for two obvious reasons:
1. there is no official rom for hero without sense ui (why would they, they spend a lot of time and effort to create this great ui)
2. there is no inofficial rom for hero without sense ui (why would they, their goal is to pack MORE features in the custom builds...)
I have to agree with the thread starter, I'd love the Magic ROM looks, white taskbar and all on my Hero hardware... I'd finally have a working IMAP client as well (using K-9 now since HTC doesn't know how to make a usable app...).
//Nik
I understand, and respect, that a lot of users would prefer the Sense UI on their hardware.
But I want to have the OS as clean as possible.
example:
http://the-gadgeteer.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/android-g1-6-0.jpg
http://www.openintents.org/en/sites/default/files/mediaplaybackactivity1.png
I prefer that to the hero sense UI music player interface.
So maybe somebody with modding experience could help ?
We can use the Hero Sense UI rom, and 'mod' the default android features back. Would that be an option?
It works for the homescreen already, maybe it works also for the other features.
E2K said:
I understand, and respect, that a lot of users would prefer the Sense UI on their hardware.
But I want to have the OS as clean as possible.
example:
http://the-gadgeteer.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/android-g1-6-0.jpg
http://www.openintents.org/en/sites/default/files/mediaplaybackactivity1.png
I prefer that to the hero sense UI music player interface.
So maybe somebody with modding experience could help ?
We can use the Hero Sense UI rom, and 'mod' the default android features back. Would that be an option?
It works for the homescreen already, maybe it works also for the other features.
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best option, wait for HTC to wake up and provide us with the kernel source, then build a fresh android with that....
complain to HTC that they are LATE with providing the sources......
Jesterz said:
best option, wait for HTC to wake up and provide us with the kernel source, then build a fresh android with that....
complain to HTC that they are LATE with providing the sources......
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Thanks for this information. I would like that option, to contact them and complain.
It would only be useful however, if it worked in the past: ie complaining and then getting something done by htc
Check if this might be what you want to accomplish:
http://android.modaco.com/content/h...if-you-wanted-to-get-rid-of-rosie-completely/
I'd really, really, really recommend a backup of everything first though. Or simply solve it by renaming the files from something.apk to something.apk.old or similar. That way the apps won't launch and you should be pretty close to vanilla android
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Check if this might be what you want to accomplish:
http://android.modaco.com/content/h...if-you-wanted-to-get-rid-of-rosie-completely/
I'd really, really, really recommend a backup of everything first though. Or simply solve it by renaming the files from something.apk to something.apk.old or similar. That way the apps won't launch and you should be pretty close to vanilla android
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Thanks for the help!
I saw the link, but this post was discouraging to say the least:
http://android.modaco.com/index.php?showtopic=291353&view=findpost&p=1079483
this part:
I just did this but you dont get the plain Android UI
I still have a lot of HTC apps left on my phone:
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I will try it tomorrow however, and I'll make a backup beforehand.
If the calendar, dialer, contact list, music player, and browser turn back into 'regular android', i would be a very happy Hero owner
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If the calendar, dialer, contact list, music player, and browser turn back into 'regular android', i would be a very happy Hero owner
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The calendar, music player and browser can be turned back: I have the regular ones on my Hero.
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The calendar, music player and browser can be turned back: I have the regular ones on my Hero.
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That is good news!
Did you also use this method: "root", then input all the commands as suggested by MoDaCo?
Wasn't there something like 'Rosie remover' for the hero? A program / process that patched / modified your running Hero to remove all / most of the HTC stuff from the current ROM.
dipje said:
Wasn't there something like 'Rosie remover' for the hero? A program / process that patched / modified your running Hero to remove all / most of the HTC stuff from the current ROM.
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Yes,
http://android.modaco.com/content/h...m/291477/13-08-1-0-modaco-hero-rosie-remover/
But it did not remove the htc apps fully
I know this thread is old, but this is exactly what the poster was looking for:
(add the h-t-t-p) forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=607865
Vanilla 1.5 minus the HTC bloat. I installed it this weekend and it works very well. I cant post a link as a new poster. Sorry!
Is it possible to still turn off Sense UI on newer Desires.
Here its not easily done on later firmwares?
Hello,
Not sure about other Desires, but for my unbranded desire I bought a few months ago, I could not turn off Sense like the video did. I suppose the one in the video is a prototype
The best answer I can give is a simple Yes.
Sense is just a series of widgets with many different options in style. You can make them all disappear, but also create profiles of widgets and switch between them.
Good widgets are hard to find, and HTC s design is better than anything I can find in the Android market.
Peace.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
not sure on the answer but you can install adw launcher or launcher pro and you wont be seeing sense anymore
not seeing doesn't mean it does not run, what i did when i was using 2.1, installed another launcher (eg, launcher pro) gone and disabled sense like in the video.
This will stop it for now but when u reboot it will still start, what u can do here is mount via adb and rm the apk of sense
what video? I just go in applications and kill the htc sense app.
You can use a launcher such as ADWLauncher or launcherpro. These will give you a different feel to the phone, but sense will still be running in the background.
If you aren't rooted you can't use adb to remove the sense stuff, and anyway you may well remove something critical to the stability.
I'd advise you to just simply use a launcher and if you want sense stopped, force stop it.
Hi all!
As per topic, actually.
I hope this is the right section to ask for this, as I want to make it specific for the Desire ROMs and not all the ROMs with Sense or No Sense.
I plan on getting an HTC Desire and having a custom ROM right away (that is, after going through all the required process of rooting etc.).
My question is the following:
What should I ask myself when choosing between a Sense and No Sense ROM(other than the UI experience)?
While doing a research through the forum I found some answers, however nothing was too informative. E.g. I found out that if one wants to play games in a custom ROM he should go for a No Sense ROM.
Is it because Sense ROM affects the performance or is it because of the way its settings are that does not interact with games well.
Does this happen to other kinds of applications as well?
Is there anything else that one needs to keep in mind when chosing for a ROM when it comes to Sense or No Sense?
Why go for Sense and why for No Sense?
I realize this is too much to ask, but as I searched through the forum and did not find anything specific, I believe that this will be helpful information for Desire newbies like me.
Thank you!
This may not answer your question in the depth you asked but from my own experience after using roms with and without sense I prefer the ones with sense.
Did not find any appreciable difference in speed but prefered sense roms from a purely aesthtic point of view.
Best idea is to get the phone and try different roms to see what you like. There are so many roms and everybody has their favourite that you will not get a definative answer.
The fun part is, once you are rooted you can test all ROMs and see which work best for you.
You can either spend hours trying to find an answer to this particular question or you can just try a couple of them and see what works best for you.
Sense comes with a couple of wonderful apps, which you lose (like the FM-radio) when you use a non-Sense ROM.
I don't need them per se, so I am currently on WhiteXperience, which is non-sense.
This ROM is extremely fast with low battery usage, which makes it great for playing games.
New ROMs come out every day and they get better and better each day.
A Thread with a question I also want to know since several weeks
If I get a no Sense ROM do I lose all HTC specific programs.
Widgets, ok, no issue. I don't use them either. Use Launcher Pro.
But programs, especially the mail client, how's that? Do I have to search a new one from the Market? I don't think there is one available as powerful as the HTC one.
I prefer using the sense roms cause I get the sense dialer which I much prefer over the stock Android dialer, including the contacts manager. However in using adw launcher as it feels much faster than the sense interface
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E.g. I found out that if one wants to play games in a custom ROM he should go for a No Sense ROM.
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I've not heard that one before! I've no problems playing games with a Sense ROM.
Regards,
Dave
I love sense and can't do without it now. Sense-less roms feel really empty and boring to me now.
Doesn't really answer your question, but there are a couple ROMs that have the UI portion of sense (i believe its called rosie) removed and then had the dialer/contacts/etc ported to work with stock or alternate launchers. Iirc Cyanogen is one like this... might help you out going that route too..
As to the actual question.. I have noticed that non-sense roms do seem to be a noticeably faster, but its usually cause most are highly tweaked for increased performance and usually include a2sd+. A lot of the sense roms are also tweaked as well, but usually include the froyo a2sd, which doesn't seem to be as much of a performance boost. Onto of which most of the tweaked to the sense based roms are for UI improvements, themes, etc. And not as hardcore performance based...
Just my 2 cents... IMHO... Take it as you will
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sbdags said:
I love sense and can't do without it now. Sense-less roms feel really empty and boring to me now.
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I had a Motorola Milestone previously so I'm used to the stock Android.. if you want something with a little more umph, I really recommend LauncherPro (and LP Plus). My fav launcher by far!
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mikeandjaimie said:
Doesn't really answer your question, but there are a couple ROMs that have the UI portion of sense (i believe its called rosie) removed and then had the dialer/contacts/etc ported to work with stock or alternate launchers. Iirc Cyanogen is one like this... might help you out going that route too..
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Just an fyi, but CyanogenMod is most assuredly *nothing* like this.
CyanogenMod is based on AOSP Android, but has been significantly customized from the original source. It owes nothing to the Sense frameworks that HTC have built into their own version of Android.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
Just an fyi, but CyanogenMod is most assuredly *nothing* like this.
CyanogenMod is based on AOSP Android, but has been significantly customized from the original source. It owes nothing to the Sense frameworks that HTC have built into their own version of Android.
Regards,
Dave
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Sorry yeah I worded it wrong.. I should have said sense-less ROMs that have some of the sense components ported. My bad, but thanks for pointing it out.
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Thank you everyone!
I will follow your advice and try out different ROMS of both UIs (Sense and non-Sense) and see which of the two I prefer.
I will most probably start with a Sense ROM and if I stumble upon any issues I will try the other one as well.
Can you please point me towards two or three ROMs of each UI that I should definitely try out?
As for the battery efficiency of the ROM I do not worry. I have stumbled upon a couple of threads that IMHO give the best advice I could get when it comes to managing several phone settings in order to reduce power drainage.
Try this one, you can remove Sense very quickly if you want, but Sense Dialer will stay, which is better anyway.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=741661
You wouldn't go wrong trying the Cyanogenmod ROM, its a non-sense one, but as stated before, very tweaked.
As regards one of the other posters, an excellent replacement for the mail app is K-9, you'll find it in the market, and its been my mail app of choice since I owned my G1, it handles IMAP very well, though I've not tried it with an exchange server, so can't comment there
Hope that helps
Tried many sense and non-sense roms. This is what I found:
HTC Sense roms have:
- Better Gallery, faster and with better zoom
- Better Dialer, faster, sleek and functional
- Better and nicer graphics for contacts
- Better camera application. Touch focus (coming to non-sense), better autofocus
- Better integrated Clipboard and selection mode
- Some other HTC applications for News, Twitter, Plurk, Facebook, Weather, etc. But these can be replaced more easily
- Some nice widgets for the above applications. They have a very nice graphic appearance
- (subjective) better memory management, I find AOSP builds too aggressive in some regards
- Nice touches like usb-plugging choice, Bluetooth FTP, etc
- Medium-high auto brightness levels
For Non-Sense roms you get:
- many kernels to choose, OC, UV, etc. At least until htc froyo source is released
- crazy high benchmarks if you OC
- much more configurability, mainly for the interface
- configurable Auto-brightness
- system wide equalizer
- some stuff I don't use (so I don't know well) like OpenVPN
- WiFi N ?
- Cyanogen Renders (in some)
- many new tweaks and releases every week
personally I really don't mind the bugs and quirks you sometimes get in AOSP roms, but I can't really live with the available alternatives to the HTC Gallery, Dialer and Camera.
Anyway these are some of the possible replacements for HTC stuff:
- Email client -> Maildroid
- Dialer -> Dialer One
- Gallery -> .... uuuuhmmmm .... errrr..... either Stock 3D Gallery or Just Pictures. They are both crap in my opinion
- Camera -> Vignette or just use stock Nexus One
- Home Launcher -> Many to choose
- News -> Feedr
- Twitter -> official client
Hello all,
I have my Galaxy for almost 2 weeks and the more I use it the more I realize that the Samsung interface is nothing short of idiotic. Today I compared it with an HTC device some colleagues at work and what I thought were just pure Android OS stupidity it turned out to be Samsung's
Just an example: In the dialer application, if I start typing a contact name, I get a match ONLY if I type the first letters -- I get no match in the middle of a word.
Also, when a match is found, I am not presented with all the phone numbers for that contact, only the first one.
That's _really_ bad -- even my old Omnia running WM6.5 can do better than that.
Needless to say same thing worked as expected on the HTC running Froyo.
So, the question is: Is there any custom ROM (ideally 2.2) that doesn't suffer from this stupidity ? Or -- even better -- is HTC Sense (or a similiar, sane interface) ported to the Galaxy ? Or maybe even a vanilla 2.2 GUI ?
Thanks...
do a market search on 'launcherpro'. it's as good if not better than htc sense (with all the built in widgets), at least until the newer version of htc sense from desire hd comes out.
this is not really android rom dev, is it?
As this seems to be a dialer problem for example, check out the alternative ones from the market, one may cover what you miss...
For example dialer one. It's at least way faster than the stock one...
Oh, and +1 to LauncherPro (Plus), unless you use Touchwiz widgets.
zenkinz said:
do a market search on 'launcherpro'. it's as good if not better than htc sense (with all the built in widgets), at least until the newer version of htc sense from desire hd comes out.
this is not really android rom dev, is it?
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Thanks for the tip, will look into it.
Well, I'm not so sure it's not rom dev since I'm not sure how much TouchWiz is embedded with ROM, if there are "vanilla" ROMs without TouchWiz or other cooked ROMs with other (better) interfaces, etc. etc.
So you tell me if it's rom dev or if it's not
P.S. And yes, "HTC Sense" was just an example, maybe not the best. Maybe I should have said "a saner interface than TouchWiz"...
the dialer found in froyo rom will be able to search in the middle of the name, instead of just starting.
you can run launcherpro over touchwiz although you probably want to remove the touchwiz widgets as they are not accessible outside of touchwiz. (which means you need to have your rom rooted). But you can't remove touchwiz completely (unless things has changed in the last 1 month) as it's integral component to feature/function beyond shell interface (e.g. you need this if you want to use kies to connect to your galaxy)
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the dialer found in froyo rom will be able to search in the middle of the name, instead of just starting.
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Not sure which Froyo you are talking about, but the test above is on the XXJPH I have installed off this very forum (and seems "ho-hum" in terms of stability on my device).
Anyway, will take a look at LauncherPro -- maybe it will alleviate some of the issues with TouchWiz
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the dialer found in froyo rom will be able to search in the middle of the name, instead of just starting.
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Unfortunately, it isn't. Is there a way to hack it?
Theres already a Bounty for porting HTC Sense/the full ROM to our phones. Search, got around $1000+ between both threads (one over in the other subforums), but we need someone to port it. There is someone who has semi done it, just need him to release it publicly.
if you really want something similar to htc sense then check out this awsome mod from JAguirre1231 here , its the closest thing to sense (at least for now) with azreils sense theme. Or if you want stock android, you can check this which includes stock everything but only 2.1 (no its not a port, it still has touchwiz framework but everything is stock even the phone app) . Hopefully devs are working on cyanogen and once thats out, you will get what you want. until then you can use these
Hope i helped
HTC Sense is consider warez on XDA if it is not on an HTC device. HTC already threatened to sue acouple of developers on the Motorola Droid for porting it.
When I start typing 626 the equivalent for "mam" I get more suggestions.
first is "mama".
I also get a girl with the name "oana" because 626 numbers also equals "oan".
And I get some random guy that it happens to have a number like 07 626 3xxxx
is there any way to get sense apps like the Music, camera, and phone onto vanlla phones or on cyanogen
I was hoping there was a way to get the dialer from a sense rom onto any stock rom. I actually may try that out later this week and see if it works (doubtful).
It requires sense framework for the Widgets as I've asked this before, as far as camera mods and what not I've seen that on vanilla roms but I'm sure there are geniuses that dwell on XDA that could figure it out.
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Eventually, there will be hacked up ROMs with bits and pieces from every corner of the earth - I wanted the same thing on my Nexus (stock with the HTC cam) and there were a few options (though all had bugs here and there). Given the G2 was *just* permrooted, it might be a few weeks/months before you see some really creative ROMs.
Other stuff, like the lockscreen, can be changed with apps like widgetlocker and such.
You should definitely try out the Desire Z rom, though. It's all kinds of awesome, with new features that weren't there in previous versions of Sense. Hell, the camera app alone is worth it - makes the stock Android camera app look like a joke.
Sense apps have never and will never work on a non-sense based rom as it has far too much reliance on lots of frameworks (its a messy area).
The closest you will get is a rom like SuperVillain (out later today) that is a Sense based rom but with Rosie (Launcher) and widgets removed so looks like vanilla but still has all the sense apps working.
Keep an eye on villainrom.co.uk or the dev section here on xda for the rom release of SuperVillainZ
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Sense apps have never and will never work on a non-sense based rom as it has far too much reliance on lots of frameworks (its a messy area).
The closest you will get is a rom like SuperVillain (out later today) that is a Sense based rom but with Rosie (Launcher) and widgets removed so looks like vanilla but still has all the sense apps working.
Keep an eye on villainrom.co.uk or the dev section here on xda for the rom release of SuperVillainZ
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=614427
Enomther's TheOfficial has the option of both the HTC Camera and the HTC Music app - plus you can install the HTC IME (onscreen keyboard) easily as an APK (there's even a kitchen that lets you customize the colors and such).
Your sig claims you've owned 4 android phones. So you're obviously not a super noob. So my question to you is -
Did searching just not occur to you, or did you honestly believe you were not the 7,548th person to ask this question?
I am not asking about sense widgets because im aware that i need to have the sense framework running but im just wondering about the 2 apps Camera and Music. i know that enmothers rom gives you the option to install the 2 if you want and am just wondering if its possible to do the same for cyanogen.
also i have used the Sense Roms for the G2 but i was never really a fan of non Vanilla android.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=614427
Enomther's TheOfficial has the option of both the HTC Camera and the HTC Music app - plus you can install the HTC IME (onscreen keyboard) easily as an APK (there's even a kitchen that lets you customize the colors and such).
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A couple of apps may have been REBUILT to work without sense, but its not an easy job and certainly isn't something a lot of people have done.
the HTC IME keyboard was pretty much an entire rewrite of the code based on what the htc one looked like, its not the apk from sense just moved over.
I can't comment on the camera or music, but I imagine these are the same.
Lennyuk said:
Sense apps have never and will never work on a non-sense based rom as it has far too much reliance on lots of frameworks (its a messy area).
The closest you will get is a rom like SuperVillain (out later today) that is a Sense based rom but with Rosie (Launcher) and widgets removed so looks like vanilla but still has all the sense apps working.
Keep an eye on villainrom.co.uk or the dev section here on xda for the rom release of SuperVillainZ
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There has been a sense app ported to stock. Enom ported the HTC camera to his stock ROM for the Nexus... I remember running it.. That was a great ROM
Sorry, I see this has already been covered... But I know the app wasn't rewritten, it was a straight port, with the stock framework rewritten, so it was a straight app port
JD
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I really like the browser from sense, I use lpp for widgets so I'm good there. I asked about getting some sort of plug in for google translate onto vanilla browser and got nothing but flame. Hopefully gingie brings this to us... I mean is there any other plug ins other then flash? Honest question
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