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Does push Gmail require my data connection to be on all the time? If so, how much battery drain does a constant data connection cause?

kgeissler said:
Does push Gmail require my data connection to be on all the time? If so, how much battery drain does a constant data connection cause?
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no. ur using activesync so u have d choice of setting it to manual sync, or interval or immediate (always on)
if ur using edge, expect 8-9 hours.
3g, 6 hours top.

I’d just like to add my 2 cents in this so that people don’t get turned off by push email…
I happen to connect to an Exchange Server via Active Sync for my email. For 14 hrs a day, it’s set to sync “as items arrive” (i.e. push). During the night, I set the sync schedule to “manual”.
I get a moderate amount of emails each day and I have to say that I’ve not notice a substantial battery drain relative to an IMAP connection that polls every hour.
Push email doesn't require a constant connection as if you're always downloading something. It's more of a "pulse" connection. Try to research a bit into exactly how push email works and you'll see what I mean...

There are two ways to push gmail (or two that I've used recently). One is the new gmail sync, which is an Exchange server. Using that method, I was getting about 8 hours of battery.
The other method is the System Seven beta. I used this for a year+ on my Moto Q before gmail sync became available. I don't know how System Seven works -- it's not Exchange and it's not IMAP. But it works. It seems to be more reliable and quicker than gmail sync, at least for now. It never has gmail sync's problem with passing through attachments. On my TP2, with Seven, I can turn Direct Push off in Comm Manager, and I get more than 24 hours of battery. The only funny glitch with Seven is that on the TF3D home messaging tab, in the little envelope on the screen, instead of showing the beginning of the message, it says, "Click to view message." But that's o.k.; I wouldn't read messages on that screen anyway.
I recently switched back from gmail sync to Seven, and for now it's better. I expect that in a short while, gmail sync will iron out some bugs and become more responsive, and maybe I'll switch back.
One feature that neither of them have, and I'm dying for: The ability to synchronize flags, to mark a message as "Follow up" in Pocket Outlook and have it star the message in gmail. Gmail sync allows the flag, and it will sync with Outlook, but not directly with gmail on the web.
System Seven is here: http://community.seven.com/main.php
It's free and seems likely to remain so...

Windows Live-driven Push Hotmail killing battery, making phone warm/hot

I wasn't able to get Google Sync to push emails to my phone, so I bit the bullet and forwarded my Gmail accounts to my Windows Live Account, because I could then get push email on my TP2 using the Windows Live app.
I assumed that email would be pushed to my device through MS servers, thus saving battery life by not having the phone check for mail every minute. And to some extent, this is what I think is happening. But the battery life SUCKS now! I surf the web on my phone and listen to music for about 4-5 hours a day. The rest of the time, it's inactive in my pocket while I'm at work, and is charged every night.
But with Windows live mail on, the phone gradually gets warm while playing music (Microfi nitrogen) and gives me low battery warnings by 7PM. Normally I could go 1.5 days without a recharge.
Here are my Windows Live Settings:
Sync Options --> Sync Email (ticked)
Sync Schedule --> As Items Arrive
Sync Times ---> Always
These seem to be fairly standard, and nothing power-intensive. Does anyone have an idea as to why my battery life has dropped off a cliff? Thanks.

don't really know, but I noticed that I had my phone checking G-mail, regular hotmail, and yahoo every 30 minutes. Battery from full morning charge, would be at 1 bar by 9pm. This is w/ normal use, using BT for an hour, 10 phone calls or so.
I thought that the Push concept only applied to MSFT Exchange server. You may be emulating 'push' using the other accounts, but I'm not sure if its the same. I'd just change your sync settings to like 2 hours and observe it, not the best thing, but it'll give you a better idea. Thats what I've had mine at now all day and the one bar hasn't dropped off yet..

aniym said:
I wasn't able to get Google Sync to push emails to my phone, so I bit the bullet and forwarded my Gmail accounts to my Windows Live Account, because I could then get push email on my TP2 using the Windows Live app.
I assumed that email would be pushed to my device through MS servers, thus saving battery life by not having the phone check for mail every minute. And to some extent, this is what I think is happening. But the battery life SUCKS now! I surf the web on my phone and listen to music for about 4-5 hours a day. The rest of the time, it's inactive in my pocket while I'm at work, and is charged every night.
But with Windows live mail on, the phone gradually gets warm while playing music (Microfi nitrogen) and gives me low battery warnings by 7PM. Normally I could go 1.5 days without a recharge.
Here are my Windows Live Settings:
Sync Options --> Sync Email (ticked)
Sync Schedule --> As Items Arrive
Sync Times ---> Always
These seem to be fairly standard, and nothing power-intensive. Does anyone have an idea as to why my battery life has dropped off a cliff? Thanks.
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Using the push email features means that the phone keeps a constant connection to the Internet servers, transferring data continuously. That eats up the battery. I had the same symptoms when I set up Activesync to use push email from my gmail account. I stopped using push (which worked fine - when gmail got a new message, I IMMEDIATELY got a push email) and went back to manual checking. I don't use my gmail for primary email anyway, I was just checking the capability.

but i thought the point of push email, at least when using a WindowsLive/Hotmail account was that MS servers were doing the work of checking my account for new mail, and then notifying me only when I had new mail to check, kinda like an SMS alert. That is supposed to take the strain of checking continuously off of my device.
I had a BB Bold 9700, and this is how push email is supposed to work. Blackberry's Enterprise servers check all their users' mail accounts for new mail continuously, and push notifications to the users when new mail arrives.
It's very disappointing to know that this sort of system is not possible on the TP2. I switched to it from the 9700 because the surfing experience was better, and I liked the customizability, but lately I've been regretting my decision to switch, seeing as how seamless and fast BB OS 5.0 is compared to WM, which, even after downgrading to 6.1 and disabling, is sluggish to the point of annoyance.
Honestly, I had a Samsung Blackjack II with WM Standard 6.1, and it often felt faster than my TP2.

aniym said:
but i thought the point of push email, at least when using a WindowsLive/Hotmail account was that MS servers were doing the work of checking my account for new mail, and then notifying me only when I had new mail to check, kinda like an SMS alert. That is supposed to take the strain of checking continuously off of my device.
I had a BB Bold 9700, and this is how push email is supposed to work. Blackberry's Enterprise servers check all their users' mail accounts for new mail continuously, and push notifications to the users when new mail arrives.
It's very disappointing to know that this sort of system is not possible on the TP2. I switched to it from the 9700 because the surfing experience was better, and I liked the customizability, but lately I've been regretting my decision to switch, seeing as how seamless and fast BB OS 5.0 is compared to WM, which, even after downgrading to 6.1 and disabling, is sluggish to the point of annoyance.
Honestly, I had a Samsung Blackjack II with WM Standard 6.1, and it often felt faster than my TP2.
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The blackberry is designed fro the start to do push; the WM platform is designed as a portable computer, to which they have added push capabilities. I'm not really sure how the BB connects to push, but I suspect that it is not via what we would normally call an Internet connection. If you really need push, then I'd suggest either going back to BB or getting an extended battery.

stevedebi said:
Using the push email features means that the phone keeps a constant connection to the Internet servers, transferring data continuously. That eats up the battery. I had the same symptoms when I set up Activesync to use push email from my gmail account. I stopped using push (which worked fine - when gmail got a new message, I IMMEDIATELY got a push email) and went back to manual checking. I don't use my gmail for primary email anyway, I was just checking the capability.
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It is my understanding that exchange push only connects when it receives a 'wake up' message from the server.
I use exchange push 24/7 and the few times that I have turned it off, I noticed no difference in battery life.

worwig said:
It is my understanding that exchange push only connects when it receives a 'wake up' message from the server.
I use exchange push 24/7 and the few times that I have turned it off, I noticed no difference in battery life.
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I think the issue is with the gmail push system. I suppose if one is using an actual MS Exchange mail system at a company it may work better.

Same with me when I have it set to "as items arrive" drains the battery fast !

I have Gmail push set up through ActiveSync and notice no impact on battery life. If anything, I get better battery life than when I had email set up as IMAP and checking the server every 30 minutes.

dwboston said:
I have Gmail push set up through ActiveSync and notice no impact on battery life. If anything, I get better battery life than when I had email set up as IMAP and checking the server every 30 minutes.
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Wow, I wonder why mine doesn't do that. Are you syncing just email or other data as well?

stevedebi said:
Wow, I wonder why mine doesn't do that. Are you syncing just email or other data as well?
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Just email. No contacts or calendar - I sync those from my PC at home.

My Touch Pro 2 uses about 2 Meg a day just in keeping the heartbeat alive for Windows Live with only the hotmail service active.
I worked this out as Windows Live runs as a service which is hosted by services.exe. If I monitor the bandwidth usage of services.exe, it works out to be about 2 Meg a day. (Verfied that hotmail was the only thing going through services by turning off hotmail and verifying that bandwidth usage of services.exe didn't increase.
I'm more concerned about bandwidth usage of Windows Live. However, I'm assuming that bandwidth usage = heat and battery life which are issues that started this thread.
Can anyone else confirm that they are seeing similar bandwidth usage just in maintaining the heartbeat?
Does anyone know how to reduce the heartbeat frequency? As that would reduce bandwidth usage, heat, battery life etc.
Thx. Paul

email send/receive scheduler?

I was wondering if there is a way to set up a schedule for when the stock windows mobile email program on the Tilt 2 can send/receive emails. I have it set to rend/receive every half hour, but I don't want it to keep sending/receiving while I am sleeping because of the tone and flashing led when I get new emails. I also do not want to turn off the tone or led during the day because I work in a loud environment, and without these things I may not know when I get new messages.

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Hi, maybe this can help you, It work with my GMAIL account (sync with m.google.com (ms exchange))
Go in ActiveSync, chose menu and go to Schedule. You can use peak time at bottom.
If you have Hotmail
go to windows mail, then choose menu,tools,options. chose HotMail and go in Sync Schedule.
You have the option ''during these times''
I have my GMAIL and Hotmail no sync when I sleep. so it don't ring if I receive a new mail.
Hope that help you

[Q] Sync/Push Question

Hopefully this is a simple question.
When I have Sync for Exchange "Disabled", should I still be receiving e-mails? I have them set to "Push" under settings.
I have disabled Exchange Sync at night and I still get woken up in the middle of the night with emails.
TIA!

offtohavasu said:
Hopefully this is a simple question.
When I have Sync for Exchange "Disabled", should I still be receiving e-mails? I have them set to "Push" under settings.
I have disabled Exchange Sync at night and I still get woken up in the middle of the night with emails.
TIA!
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thats because you need to change the email notificatin alert sound to silent. the sync has nothing to do with it.

Thanks. What I'm asking is if sync is turned off, shouldn't that stop the emails? I can't turn off notifications because I need to receive text messages for call outs.
I miss the peak hours setting in setup in pre cm9 roms.
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offtohavasu said:
Hopefully this is a simple question.
When I have Sync for Exchange "Disabled", should I still be receiving e-mails? I have them set to "Push" under settings.
I have disabled Exchange Sync at night and I still get woken up in the middle of the night with emails.
TIA!
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If you have it set to "push" they will come. Why not just put the phone on silent during you sleeping period?
Sent from my Epic4G ICS CM9

[Q] Email Does not sync Automatically

hello everyone
I got the ONE X last night, and I am having a problem in automatically receiving my Emails.
I have set An Exchange Email, Gmail, and Yahoo mail using the device's mail app.
the "Auto-Sync" is Deactivated to save battery and avoid syncing other accounts.
in the mail settings of the Exchange Account, I set the "Peak time Sync" to (Push mail) which means (I guess!!) I would get the Email as soon as it reaches the account.
in the Gmail and Ymail, the Least time available on the "Peak time sync" is 5 minutes.
in either case, I am unable to receive the Emails unless I start the app and manually refresh!!!
the Email reaches Ymail or Gmail on the Laptop, I wait for more than 20 minutes with no notification on the device!
I didn't have this problem when I had the Galaxy SII, and sometimes the Exchange Email reached the device before the Laptop!!
this is very annoying and any suggestion is welcome!
I do not wanna go for the Ymail app from the Market or any other Exchange support app!
NOTE: the Gmail application in the Device behaves the same way,, does not sync until I manually refresh from the app itself

If you want to receive pushed data, auto-sync must be on.

pa64 said:
If you want to receive pushed data, auto-sync must be on.
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When I had the SGSII I never turned the Auto-Sync On, and I used to get the Emails all the time very quickly!
Both are Android I do now know what is the problem!

Does any one have an idea about this issue??
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA

as pa64 said, the emails will not sync with auto-sync disabled
turn it on and turn off auto sync manually for each app you don't want it to sync

phil112345 said:
as pa64 said, the emails will not sync with auto-sync disabled
turn it on and turn off auto sync manually for each app you don't want it to sync
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I will give it a try. But doesn't this affect the battery life? Which is already not good?

3mar84 said:
I will give it a try. But doesn't this affect the battery life? Which is already not good?
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possibly. but you can either turn it on and have push email or leave it off and have to manually check.
afaik auto-sync is a system wide switch for all updating. if you manually turn it off for everything other than mail only mail will be polling for updates. and there was some stuff a couple of years ago (with the iphone) that seemed to conclude that push is actually pretty battery efficient.