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I've loved the Excalibur every since it first rested in the palm of my hand, and even more so after installing 6.1 upon it. So, naturally I was pretty psyched when I learned that there was a successor with 3G capabilities and a processor that's twice as fast. Even more psyched when I won the only one I could find on eBay for $133.00
I've really tried pretty hard to find these solutions on my own using the search feature, but to no avail. I have a Dopod and I just flashed 6.1 onto it, and I'm using T-Mobile.
1. No connections are working. WiFi works in my home and office, but I do not know the settings for GPRS and the Wizard doesn't include the U.S. on the list of countries. Also, isn't this phone supposed to be 3G capable? What do I need to do to get 3G working? I am in one of the areas where T-Mobile has 3G coverage.
2. My "A" key is useless. If pressed from the home screen it will actually pull up the list of names that start with A. However, if I actually try to type the letter A into a text or a program, it does nothing but give me a small beep. I read a solution to it in the rom's release thread, however it involved editing the keymap, and unfortunately, I wasn't savvy enough to figure it out on my own.
And, so, I turn to those smarter than I. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
the 3g frequency for tmobile in the USA is i bileave 1700, which is not compatible with the cavalier. I also just bought the only one off of ebay for $100 and am currently waiting for it. I am also on tmobile, but will never get 3g speeds, like i said because of the diffrence in frequencies. The connections settings can be found anywhere, just google it, its also on wiki. depending on whether u have the full internet plan or the 5.99 proxy hack, ur information is gonna be different.
molesaied88 said:
the 3g frequency for tmobile in the USA is i bileave 1700, which is not compatible with the cavalier. I also just bought the only one off of ebay for $100 and am currently waiting for it. I am also on tmobile, but will never get 3g speeds, like i said because of the diffrence in frequencies. The connections settings can be found anywhere, just google it, its also on wiki. depending on whether u have the full internet plan or the 5.99 proxy hack, ur information is gonna be different.
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Wow, that's a real ***** man. I appreciate the information though.
Anybody know anything on the "A Key," issue?
xzaviergomez said:
Anybody know anything on the "A Key," issue?
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Read the whole thread, it is good for health (of your device).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=425272
Cheers
I read the entire thread, I just hadn't had any luck with the only solution anybody had found for the problem.
I've got it working now and I will upload a CAB for the fixed eT9 tegic in case anybody else experiences the same problem.
i use AT&T's 3G network just fine. I also had the A problem and found a find in the link give by cruzzmz a couple posts back. You can find it in there somewhere under my name.
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I could not find this answer so please forgive if this is posted...
I know on some phones getting a phone made for one carrier and using it on another will have you lose features... usually 3G.
If I get a TP2 sold by TMob and flash an AT&T ROM (or ROM from this forum) to it, will I lose functionality?
thanks for the help
With or without the ATT ROM, you won't have 3G speeds for data. It's a radio frequency thing, not a software thing. You'll still have access to Edge speed data, and that's plenty for some people. As a bonus however, ATT probably won't recognize the TMo IMEI and thus won't insist that you get a smartphone data plan.
I'd be concerned about putting an Tilt2 ROM on a TMo TP2 anyway given how different the keyboard configurations are (ATT made a lot of changes).
fortunz said:
With or without the ATT ROM, you won't have 3G speeds for data. It's a radio frequency thing, not a software thing. You'll still have access to Edge speed data, and that's plenty for some people. As a bonus however, ATT probably won't recognize the TMo IMEI and thus won't insist that you get a smartphone data plan.
I'd be concerned about putting an Tilt2 ROM on a TMo TP2 anyway given how different the keyboard configurations are (ATT made a lot of changes).
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There's a cab to fix the keyboard fot TMo TP2.
Read this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583237
I have read for a while and I have found nothing that will make me 100% sure for what I need.
I'm interested in buying this phone as it's similar to the Sprint Evo Shift but will work with the new GSM network my carrier has with HSPA+ (at least for 7.2mbps as far as I've read).
So, I know the DZ will work as my carrier uses 850/1900 for HSPA, but I've seen that people with AT&T in the US buy the DZ (not the G2 as T-Mobile uses other frequencies).
My question is, what's finally the difference between both phones? Is there a hardware difference that makes them operate on different frequencies or is it only related to the flashed radio?
It's confusing to me as many people in the forum assure in other threads that the phones are exactly the same, but if people with AT&T spend more for the canadian version makes me think it's a HW issue.
Thank you and regards
Frequency compatibility is set in hardware, and can't be modified with software. You need to buy the phone that is compatible with your carrier's 3G network. As you suspected, this is the reason why AT&T customers (like myself) have paid premium prices for the Bell Canada version of the Z, the only version of the Vision that is fully compatible with AT&T's 850/1900 MHz 3G network.
Aside from frequency compability, the Z and the G2 are essentially the same phone. The G2 has a keyboard button for .www and .com (its a Tab key on the Z). But that's really it. Of course, the Z has Sense, but that is software, and you can flash a Sense ROM if you want.
redpoint73, thank you very much. I have the Evo Shift right now that works on the 3G CDMA network, but my provider just released the 4G HSPA+ GSM network and since then, I feel 3G speeds are getting lower every day and the network isn't as stable anymore as it used to be.
I was about to buy the T-Mobile version, but now I'm confident that I need the Bell version... Will have to wait for a good deal on Ebay. Too bad that HTC has only these options with keyboard, I really like my Evo Shift, but I'm getting speeds as low as 380kbps for download while users with HSPA+ are getting up to 4mbps...
Are you sure that GSM phones even work on Sprint? My understanding is that the your phone needs to be Sprint branded, otherwise they will not have an ESN number to activate in the system.
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No, I'm in Mexico, my carrier is Iusacell. They used to be a CDMA network, the first 3G network in Mexico built more than 10 years ago, most of us used to buy Sprint phones as they were the best to port to this company, however now they are starting their GSM network and it looks as if they're starting to leave the CDMA network out of the priority, so I'm looking for a phone that will work. I have done my research and they use the 850/1900 frequencies for HSPA+, so most US/Canada phones will work but not T-Mobile.
Thank you...
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No, I'm in Mexico, my carrier is Iusacell. They used to be a CDMA network, the first 3G network in Mexico built more than 10 years ago, most of us used to buy Sprint phones as they were the best to port to this company, however now they are starting their GSM network and it looks as if they're starting to leave the CDMA network out of the priority, so I'm looking for a phone that will work. I have done my research and they use the 850/1900 frequencies for HSPA+, so most US/Canada phones will work but not T-Mobile.
Thank you...
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Ahh, I understand now. That makes a lot more sense. You didn't mention your carrier (or country), but mentioned Sprint, so I assumed that was your carrier.
Right now, it seems that indeed the Bell Canada version of the Desire Z is best fit for what you want (same conclusion that I came to a few months ago).
Redpoint, don't forget the partitions are different on the phone also. The DZ has smaller partitions (system at least) than the G2. This hasn't been an issue... yet, given than every custom so far has been well below the stock size of even the DZ. With the new sense though, things are going to only go up in size for those ROMs. That being said it still shouldn't be an issue.
KCRic said:
Redpoint, don't forget the partitions are different on the phone also. The DZ has smaller partitions (system at least) than the G2. This hasn't been an issue... yet, given than every custom so far has been well below the stock size of even the DZ. With the new sense though, things are going to only go up in size for those ROMs. That being said it still shouldn't be an issue.
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Hard for me to forget it, since I wasn't aware of that :-/
Whats the exact breakdown of the difference in system partitions?
That's actually opposite of what one would expect, since the Sense ROMs take up more memory.
Yes, I hadn't mentioned my carrier earlier. Now my issue is that shipping from Canada to Mexico is prohibitive (more than 90USD), so maybe I will have to stay with the AT&T inspire... Will have to use Swype or something similar as an alternative to the physical keyboard.
mschmiedel said:
Yes, I hadn't mentioned my carrier earlier. Now my issue is that shipping from Canada to Mexico is prohibitive (more than 90USD), so maybe I will have to stay with the AT&T inspire... Will have to use Swype or something similar as an alternative to the physical keyboard.
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I was going to recommend the Inspire, even though you seemed to need/want a physical keyboard. It looks like a great phone.
The Desire Z is my 3rd smartphone, and all have had physical keyboards. But for my next, I am seriously considering going without the physical keyboard. I can't stand typing on a touch screen by the "traditional" method. But I've found that with Swype, I can type as fast, maybe even faster than with the physical keyboard. I've been finding myself using the physical keyboard much less than I thought I would.
Yes, I really like Swype too, but I have some issues with it. I write moste messages in Spanish, but I also use English and German. Changing languages is not as easy as I think it should be. But well, the main issue for me is that Swype always uses special charecters in Spanish/German (ñ, á, ä, etc.) which is nice on Emails, whatsapp, etc. but is a big problem with SMS texting as carriers in Mexico don't support these characters (it's really stupid) so messages sometimes get messed up completely.
I think that's the main reason why I like the physical keyboard. I have had many smartphones (mogul, touch, diamond, touch pro, motorola droid, htc evo and now the evo shift). I really hated the droid's keyboard, but the shift is really nice to use. Will have to get used to using on screen typing again... I think it's not worth paying 500 bucks for the Desire Z due to shippig if I can get a brand new Inspire for less...
Regards
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Hard for me to forget it, since I wasn't aware of that :-/
Whats the exact breakdown of the difference in system partitions?
That's actually opposite of what one would expect, since the Sense ROMs take up more memory.
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Sorry, didn't come back to this thread yesterday. I'm not sure of the exact breakdown for the partitions. I know the system is smaller and a couple others vary. There's an old thread somewhere on here with the details though.
Hey guys, I currently own a Nexus S 4g on sprint and I'm really considering jumping ship due to the ****ty data speeds, pulled premier program and lack of official CDMA Nexus S support.
My question is this: Is there a similar issue with the CDMA GNex on Verizon? Is it too early to tell?
I desperately want 4g considering the coverage is great in my area, but I'd be willing to trade that to not deal with the same bull**** that my Nexus S on sprint forces me to deal with.
TL;DR Version: Does Verizon GNex have full OTA and Rom support compared to the GSM Unlocked Version on AT&T's network?
Verizon OTAs will be behind GSM generally, but not a discernible amount. The basic thing to know here is that Verizon's CDMA and LTE network stacks are proprietary (closed source) and they have to add it and test it before putting an OTA out. This doesn't have to happen on the GSM model as its standardized and open source.
ROM community should still be pretty strong for the VZW version. But when it comes down to it the base of users using the GSM model around the world is probably larger (and its the official dev phone). There will surely be good community support of both versions.
Thing is that if you care about OTAs you probably don't care about ROMs, and vice versa. Kinda gotta tell us what you care about more. But luckily with the Nexus you'll stay pretty up to date without rooting and ROMing.
The amount of data you will use is 100% based on your usage patterns. Don't let someone else's usage give you an idea of how much you'll use. That's something you should be able to figure out based on your previous usage.
And by the way, there is no AT&T version of this phone. There is the unlocked GSM version, which works on any GSM carrier in the world. The OTAs on that model have nothing to do with what carrier you're currently using (only on the variant of regional software/radio you may or may not have).
martonikaj said:
Verizon OTAs will be behind GSM generally, but not a discernible amount. The basic thing to know here is that Verizon's CDMA and LTE network stacks are proprietary (closed source) and they have to add it and test it before putting an OTA out. This doesn't have to happen on the GSM model as its standardized and open source.
ROM community should still be pretty strong for the VZW version. But when it comes down to it the base of users using the GSM model around the world is probably larger (and its the official dev phone). There will surely be good community support of both versions.
The amount of data you will use is 100% based on your usage patterns. Don't let someone else's usage give you an idea of how much you'll use. That's something you should be able to figure out based on your previous usage.
And by the way, there is no AT&T version of this phone. There is the unlocked GSM version, which works on any GSM carrier in the world. The OTAs on that model have nothing to do with what carrier you're currently using (only on the variant of regional software/radio you may or may not have).
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Thanks for the response and the clarification about the unlocked GSM version. In your opinion, do you think the official dev support/larger user base is worth the slower data speeds and ****tier customer service?
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Thanks for the response and the clarification about the unlocked GSM version. In your opinion, do you think the official dev support/larger user base is worth the slower data speeds and ****tier customer service?
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Well the data speeds aren't just slower with no benefit. HSPA+ does severely better on battery than LTE does. But the speeds are still very serviceable. IMHO 10mbps is still plenty fast lol.
You also get the benefit of choosing your own carrier. If you're on AT&T or T-Mobile you'll get the same customer service for network issues, you just won't get hardware customer service. With GSM you get to choose any carrier and stay off contract and potentially save a TON of money every month if you decide to go that route. You probably have about 12 carriers to choose from when looking at all the GSM offerings in the US. When you buy the VZW Galaxy Nexus, you're going to be paying Verizon every month for the rest of the time you use that device, and that's it.
This is a much larger question that has been battled in 100's of pages of flaming between VZW and other GSM users. You should read up on those but when it comes down to it just understand that there are pros and cons to both that you should weigh when choosing. As I said you have to decide what's important to you.
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Well the data speeds aren't just slower with no benefit. HSPA+ does severely better on battery than LTE does. But the speeds are still very serviceable. IMHO 10mbps is still plenty fast lol.
You also get the benefit of choosing your own carrier. If you're on AT&T or T-Mobile you'll get the same customer service for network issues, you just won't get hardware customer service. With GSM you get to choose any carrier and stay off contract and potentially save a TON of money every month if you decide to go that route. You probably have about 12 carriers to choose from when looking at all the GSM offerings in the US.
This is a much larger question that has been battled in 100's of pages of flaming between VZW and other GSM users. You should read up on those but when it comes down to it just understand that there are pros and cons to both that you should weigh when choosing.
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Thanks a bunch for the help and for being polite. I'll do some searching and read up on that for sure. Sounds like HSPA+ ain't half bad...
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Thanks a bunch for the help and for being polite. I'll do some searching and read up on that for sure. Sounds like HSPA+ ain't half bad...
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The GSM version isn't a 2nd class citizen to the LTE version. Not by a long shot. You shouldn't feel like you're getting the short end of the stick going GSM. Its a world class device.
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The GSM version isn't a 2nd class citizen to the LTE version. Not by a long shot. You shouldn't feel like you're getting the short end of the stick going GSM. Its a world class device.
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After looking at some of these no contract prices and considering I can have my Brother's employee edition GSM GNex for free this is looking like the option for me.
supralover72 said:
After looking at some of these no contract prices and considering I can have my Brother's employee edition GSM GNex for free this is looking like the option for me.
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You should read through this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1455014
Only 16 gigs of memory in the GSM version is something to think about with no memory card slot...
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You should read through this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1455014
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Awesome reading it now. Thanks.
@eman: Not an issue, my nexus s has 16gb so I'm used to consolidating. Thanks for the heads up though.
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Awesome reading it now. Thanks.
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Yeah no problem its an awesome thread.
I'm personally using my unlocked i9250 on $30 T-Mobile plan and its working fantastically.
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Yeah no problem its an awesome thread.
I'm personally using my unlocked i9250 on $30 T-Mobile plan and its working fantastically.
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Yea I couldn't believe that plan. Seemed too good to be true till I read people actually using it.
It must do wonders for the hearing impaired.
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Yea I couldn't believe that plan. Seemed too good to be true till I read people actually using it.
It must do wonders for the hearing impaired.
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Its a pretty amazing plan really. Best deal in wireless in the US today IMHO.
I'm hoping to do this as I currently have a One-XL and the HSPA+ is fast enough but am sick of the hotspot, anyone try it?
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I'm hoping to do this as I currently have a One-XL and the HSPA+ is fast enough but am sick of the hotspot, anyone try it?
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Yep. And I used a N-8000 (N10.1-12) for over a year before that. It's great not only from a constant connectivity perspective (not having the device bog down syncing every time it connects to Wi-Fi) but also from having a full keyboard for MMS and a gigantic battery for long conference calls so your phone's battery isn't hosed. Using Pen Window minimized with the phone app for a call when you're using S Note to take notes from the call is pretty spiffy. I don't know if it still exists for new service but AT&T's IMEI database doesn't know what the SM-P601/N-8000 are. I added them to my account for $9.99 as a non-Smartphone and got unlimited data for non-Smartphones for $10 more.
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Yep. And I used a N-8000 (N10.1-12) for over a year before that. It's great not only from a constant connectivity perspective (not having the device bog down syncing every time it connects to Wi-Fi) but also from having a full keyboard for MMS and a gigantic battery for long conference calls so your phone's battery isn't hosed. Using Pen Window minimized with the phone app for a call when you're using S Note to take notes from the call is pretty spiffy. I don't know if it still exists for new service but AT&T's IMEI database doesn't know what the SM-P601/N-8000 are. I added them to my account for $9.99 as a non-Smartphone and got unlimited data for non-Smartphones for $10 more.
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4 Questions
1. Would you be willing to run a speed test for me?
2. Where did you get yours?
3. Is it the unlocked model or a country specific model
4. Did you have any issues connecting it to the towers?
waterfoul said:
4 Questions
1. Would you be willing to run a speed test for me?
2. Where did you get yours?
3. Is it the unlocked model or a country specific model
4. Did you have any issues connecting it to the towers?
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The SM-P601/5 are really just giant phones. They most likely have the same radios as the S-800/Exynos N3's and would perform the same way. Pop a SIM in that's on a smartphone data plan and you've got voice, MMS, and data just like you would on a phone. HSPA+ download speeds on AT&T are between 5-8MB which I'm fine with.
Mine's from Negri and its got a Trinidad CSC which most of their HSPA+ devices do. All international devices are unlocked and it didn't have region lock applied like some of Samsung's newer smartphones do.
P.S. - The LTE versions that will eventually be sold by the U.S. carriers will have the voice and MMS features disabled; they always do.