I could not find this answer so please forgive if this is posted...
I know on some phones getting a phone made for one carrier and using it on another will have you lose features... usually 3G.
If I get a TP2 sold by TMob and flash an AT&T ROM (or ROM from this forum) to it, will I lose functionality?
thanks for the help
With or without the ATT ROM, you won't have 3G speeds for data. It's a radio frequency thing, not a software thing. You'll still have access to Edge speed data, and that's plenty for some people. As a bonus however, ATT probably won't recognize the TMo IMEI and thus won't insist that you get a smartphone data plan.
I'd be concerned about putting an Tilt2 ROM on a TMo TP2 anyway given how different the keyboard configurations are (ATT made a lot of changes).
fortunz said:
With or without the ATT ROM, you won't have 3G speeds for data. It's a radio frequency thing, not a software thing. You'll still have access to Edge speed data, and that's plenty for some people. As a bonus however, ATT probably won't recognize the TMo IMEI and thus won't insist that you get a smartphone data plan.
I'd be concerned about putting an Tilt2 ROM on a TMo TP2 anyway given how different the keyboard configurations are (ATT made a lot of changes).
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There's a cab to fix the keyboard fot TMo TP2.
Read this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583237
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Hey guys, I am running on Tmobile and was wondering if I purchased a Rhodium from AT&T when they are released, would I be able to flash the Tmobile Radio onto it to enable the 1700 3G band? Is there a hardware difference between these two phone radios? I don't want to get the Tmobile one because they would then force me to purchase their data plan like what happened with the G1 and I didn't agree even though I bought the phone from someone else so I had to sell it. I am currently using a Touch Pro and the inability to use Tmobile 3G makes me really sad. I currently pay $6 for their unlimited internet.
That would be an exercise in futility. No amount of radio flashing would automagically enable a non-existent hardware. I don't think the ATT version TP2 does 1700mhz. This has nothing to do with software but hardware. It's T-mo's fault for going 1700mhz in the first place and making things more complicated. Unless you want to buy subsidized (upgrade), you can pay full price for the T-mo version and just pop in your sim card.
Well, unless I am wrong. People currently with the Touch Pro 2 right now even though the one made for Tmobile isn't out yet are able to flash the Tmobile Radio onto their unbranded Touch Pro 2 and able to use Tmobile's 1700MHZ 3G Band. A lot of these phones use antenna's that are able to tune into a broad range of frequencies and I am sure we just need the radio rom that allows for the usage of those bands. The reason why I don't want to buy it without contract because Tmobile phones have their IMEI logged on Tmobile's end and they could not allow for me to use a certain phone with certain plans. I had 3 different G1's and they were all tracked by Tmobile and didn't allow me to use my data plan with that phone specifically.
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Well, unless I am wrong. People currently with the Touch Pro 2 right now even though the one made for Tmobile isn't out yet are able to flash the Tmobile Radio onto their unbranded Touch Pro 2 and able to use Tmobile's 1700MHZ 3G Band. A lot of these phones use antenna's that are able to tune into a broad range of frequencies and I am sure we just need the radio rom that allows for the usage of those bands. The reason why I don't want to buy it without contract because Tmobile phones have their IMEI logged on Tmobile's end and they could not allow for me to use a certain phone with certain plans. I had 3 different G1's and they were all tracked by Tmobile and didn't allow me to use my data plan with that phone specifically.
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Keep in mind that the G1 is a different sort of phone. G1 is a feature phone and T-mo exclusive in the states. T-mobile doesn't log imei of regular win mobile phones. I have folks with MDA's/Wings/Tytn and even unlocked iPhones using T-mo and they just popped in their sims and set the APN properly using the cheapo data you're using too..
Could you point to where folks are flashing Touch Pro's (that don't have 1700mhz) and somehow unlocking them to use 1700mhz like you indicate?
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Keep in mind that the G1 is a different sort of phone. G1 is a feature phone and T-mo exclusive in the states. T-mobile doesn't log imei of regular win mobile phones. I have folks with MDA's/Wings/Tytn and even unlocked iPhones using T-mo and they just popped in their sims and set the APN properly using the cheapo data you're using too..
Could you point to where folks are flashing Touch Pro's (that don't have 1700mhz) and somehow unlocking them to use 1700mhz like you indicate?
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the G1 is a feature phone?
I currently have a Tilt with ATT and I am unhappy with my service. Att's most recent response about my 3G data complaints it to buy one of their new 3G wireless extenders and pay a service fee for it (really). So I am looking at other carriers. Unfortunately I have had experience with Verizon wireless in the past and their weird little OS replacement on their standard phones annoys me. I am also concerned about features (hardware) being locked from me on the TP2. But, their coverage and data in my area is better than the competition (almost by leaps and bounds). So here are some direct carrier questions maybe you can help us fence sitters to make a decision.
What on the TP2 is locked away with Verizon?
Does Verizon load the TP2 with tons of bloatware the way ATT did with the tilt?
Can we use the Internet Sharing app (or WiFi Router) to tether to our computers without paying that extra charge for Official Tethering?
With Verizon, are there additional concerns about using a custom ROM or updating a ROM?
Are there any applications preloaded on the phone that prevent other applications from being able to be installed or work properly?
Is there any danger in doing a Hard Reset on a Verizon TP2 (might be a stupid question)?
Thanks in advance and I hope this helps more than just me.
-Max
Hi all..
I have found and read the instructions as it relates to flashign a phone to cricket... I am an old GSM guy here, not too familiar with CDMA things... But Cricket is runnign a special this weekend where it is only $25 a month for unlimited talk & txt.. I think this would be great for my son as a cheap cell phone.. Here are my questions:
Would Cricket need to know that I flashed a phone from another carrier?
Do I need ot buy one of their phones in the first place?
Anyone who has done this in the past, I would value your input.... I am just a little lost here on this.. thanks
In CDMA technologies, the user account gets compared to the ESN of the phone that you are trying to use. Lets say that you programmed your phone (MIN, MDN, flashed PRL, etc). The tower will see all the settings from your account and it will look at the ESN as well, if all this information matches to what they have on the records, you will have no problem in using this phone with Cricket.
Why am I saying this? Because, you will have to let them know about the ESN of your new device. They need to add it to their database and under your account as well for you to be able to use it. I know that MetroPCS charges you ~$50 to do this, I am not certain about Cricket though. You may want to call them up and ask if you can have your Vogue flashed over to their system. I have read countless threads of people having flashed their Vogues to Cricket, so I guess it is possible.
Good luck!
Thanks for the reply...
Here is the issue (or question).. I live in a new "triband only" cricket market (Chicago/Milwaukee area).. I have read that, to work, the phone needs to use the 1700AWS frequency... I know in the "old" cricket areas you don;t need this... Will the Vogue work here? Sorry for all the questions.. I just don;t want to buy the phone and then not be able to use it...
According to the specs, the Vogue is only dual band (800 and 1900 MHz). You can see them here. If that is the case, then you might not be able to use it. Just check with them to be on the safe side. You can also look for people on the Cricket network on other forums and see if someone is using this device in the Chicago area. Good luck!
not sure about your city/are specifically but in Austin TX i was able to take a HTC Vogue (Sprint Touch) and fully flash it over. Phone, SMS, MMS, Data, Tethering, and I even found a guide for GPS (have not tried yet).
All works fine. They only issue I really have is that the DATA seems kinda crap at times. It says its at full EVDO/3G but sometimes i have to perform a manual disconnect/reconnect to jumpstart data again.
When I flash to a "non cricket" rom though I lose Tethering ability. Trying to find a guide on the settings myself so I can go back to NSFans 6.5 ROM.
Sorry for the bad news. Unfortunately there are no HTC phones available at this time that you can flash and have work in the Chicago area. That area is a AWS 1700 MHZ market and there are no CDMA HTC devices that support that technology. I would recommend that you purchase a cricket branded phone. If you are looking for a Windows phone take a look at Metro's line up. They have a Samsung that is tri band and WM powered. Also crickets new phone that is PDA like will be out tomorrow at cricKet Corp stores.
Hello,
I'm currently on AT&T using a G1. The nice thing about my current situation is that I am not forced in any way to use a data plan. Without getting into it I do no need data at all. I was wondering what the best way would be to avoid data on this phone. My current plan is to get the t-mobile version of this phone and to unlock it since there is a lesser chance of AT&T having this IMEI in their database and edge won't automatically connect since the APNs wont be configured. Once AT&T detects a smartphone IMEI they automatically put you into a plan so my plan is to avoid this. I'm sure there has to be one other person who uses this phone on AT&T without being forced into data. Any tips?
Consensus over on the ATT forums seems to be that ATT can't read non-ATT branded IMEIs. There are folks that commented on running Nexus Ones, and other non-ATT smartphones, and ATT could not figure out what phone it was. One guy had the data plan added when he put his SIM in a Nexus One, and he called ATT, they said it registered as a Blackberry. He told them it was a dumb phone, and they took the data plan off. Its not guaranteed that you will be safe from getting a data plan added, but I'd say its a pretty safe bet.
d00m said:
Hello,
I'm currently on AT&T using a G1. The nice thing about my current situation is that I am not forced in any way to use a data plan. Without getting into it I do no need data at all. I was wondering what the best way would be to avoid data on this phone. My current plan is to get the t-mobile version of this phone and to unlock it since there is a lesser chance of AT&T having this IMEI in their database and edge won't automatically connect since the APNs wont be configured. Once AT&T detects a smartphone IMEI they automatically put you into a plan so my plan is to avoid this. I'm sure there has to be one other person who uses this phone on AT&T without being forced into data. Any tips?
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You can avoid any problems by going into the Settings / Connections and deleting the Internet connections. If there is no connection setup, the device cannot make a data connection to the carrier.
EDIT: Sorry, I just noticed that you said G1. This is a TP2 forum, and I wasn't expecting that. I don't know how you stop a connection with a G1. With the TP 2 (or any WM 6 phone), the above should work. Just make sure that you delete the connection each time you hard reset or flash a ROM.
go in settings and remove your apn settings
Oops that was some poor writing. When I said "this phone" I meant the touch pro2. I think redpoint73 answered my question pretty well. Thanks all.
I have an unlocked Sprint Samsung S6 and I'm trying to get it to work on Verizon but it doesn't want to work. It shows an exclamation and R where the signal bars are. I have tried setting up the APN and a Verizon rep put the sprint phone in their system, but that didn't work either. Is there any way to get this to work? Do u have to flash Verizon's Rom to it? I noticed that even unlocked it still seems to have the sprint activation stuff..... Please help, scoured the Internet and forums to no avail :/
If you actually got the phone activated onto your line on Verizon, you will need the Verizon PRL on the device for it to show it connected natively to its towers (the 'R' is a roaming indicator...your device is seeing the Verizon towers as roaming since it loaded with a tower list with Sprint towers prioritized). Verizon is still CDMA, so you will need the proper PRL flashed to the phone for it to work, first & foremost, along with your NAM information and all of the Verizon data settings flashed in place of the Sprint data settings. With regard to CDMA switching from Sprint/Sprint-based to Verizon/Verizon-based, there is more to it than merely an ESN swap (activation by an agent) & inserting a SIM.
I am not here to hold your hand through the flashing of anything, but I'm letting you know what will need to be done. These phones have different model numbers for a reason (unlike "hybrids" like newer Nexus devices, newer iPhones & the recently released Moto X Pure). These different models are designated per carrier and the bundled carrier software for many CDMA devices is used in its OTA programming. Sprint devices typically are packed with MSL/SPCs unique to the device and needed to edit the internal NAM & data settings while Verizon branded counterparts have 0s instead of uniques codes. If this is all over your head, you may need to seek the assistance of someone or a company familiar with flashing to get you going if you are hellbent on using THAT device. Good luck.
worked for me but not stable
I also have the s note 5 from sprint and been trying to make it work on verizon. After so many tries in the mobile network setting i got it to partially work. it still have the R symbols on top, which shows your roaming but you will get a 3g speed. My current setting is
Settings>Mobile Networks>Network mode >automatic
Settings>Mobile Networks>data roaming>Roaming network>automatic
Settings>Mobile Networks>data roaming>Roaming guard> all off
Settings>Mobile Networks>data roaming>everything else on
you also have to use the verizon app settings.
i've also tried flashing the prl but had no luck. Any suggestion on how will be appreciated.
So, how about an idiot's guide for making this happen?
If I need help from a vendor, how about posting some referrals, what needs to be done, and how much is fair to pay?
I am a self-professed newb and I just want to take the Sprint S6 that I own outright to Verizon.
Especially because I paid full price for the S6, and Sprint's service sucks inside my building.
Thanks .
What VicFreeze said above is 100% correct, you would have to reprogram/flash the phones CDMA chip/radio and even Verizon will not be able to do so (legally or maybe not smart enough to know how), you want to be on Verizon you need to get one of their phones. Your phone is a G920P, the P is specific to Sprint and the phone has been flashed internally to know the MIED, MDM/MIN, PRL and login passwords for their networks along with the MSL Code direct from the Samsung factory just for Sprint.
So Yeah you can change all this by reprogramming the CDMA chip inside the phone, first you need professional software that will cost $$$ hundreds of dollars, software like CDMA workshop, QPST or DFS will work, learning to use this software is not for newbies, you will also need to get the information from Verizon to flash their carrier specific codes and numbers into the phone, it's not like swapping out your SIM Card like a GSM Phone and your on a different network, this is CDMA and its why Sprint/Verizon use this, its to lock you down. (no, that's not why)(LOL)
Just Google "Carrier programming on CDMA phones"..
I think it would be cheaper to sell your Sprint phone and just get a Verizon phone and save yourself a lot of hassle. Get a G920V, its already flashed with Verizon Codes to access their LTE Network from the Samsung factory (Hence the V is specific for Verizon). Verizon's sales staff might not even know what a CDMA phone is so would you really want them to reprogram it??
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I have an unlocked Sprint Samsung S6 and I'm trying to get it to work on Verizon but it doesn't want to work. It shows an exclamation and R where the signal bars are. Is there any way to get this to work? Do u have to flash Verizon's Rom to it? I noticed that even unlocked it still seems to have the sprint activation stuff..... Please help, scoured the Internet and forums to no avail :/
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VicFreeze and MindTricks sound dead on in there advice. One thing I am pretty sure about unless someone corrects me is .... even though Sprint and Verizon are both CDMA, they operate on different frequency bands which is probably why your getting the 'R' for roaming. CDMA Workshop has the ability to change the radio frequency. I think the two companies also encrypt or code their voice and data traffic and you need the software flashed that has their specific decoders or encryption software for the device to work on their system. I am not sure if the specific radio software changes any of this or not. I am not even sure is CDMA Workshop is compatible with newer Samsung phones now as two years ago I programmed my Sprint HTC EVO 4g to work on my Virgin Mobile talk and text plan without much trouble but have not been able to get CDMA Workshop to connect to a Galaxy Grand Prime as of late. What I did two years ago was easier since Virgin runs off of Sprint Service Towers. Having a ROM compiled for Verizon may help but things have changed. What I did with the EVO two years ago ..... the ROM had Sprint radio files compiled with it. I am not sure if some of those files are separated in the system now on more modern devices as ..... back two years ago Sprint was EVDO and not their LTE uses a SIM card to work. So, things have changed and keep changing and evolving. One thing is sure, is almost every year Service Providers along with device manufacturers are changing what they do and how they do it.
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So, how about an idiot's guide for making this happen?
I just want to take the Sprint S6 that I own outright to Verizon.
Especially because I paid full price for the S6, and Sprint's service sucks inside my building.
Thanks .
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That's what everyone would love to do but at times proves more hassle than what it is worth. this is why there are sites like Swappa and eBay where you can sell your phone for close to competitive price and pick one up a device that is a comparable condition for the service provider you want to swich to for about a break even price or not much more out of pocket.
I dunno if this thread is dead but process should go something like this.... flash factory binary firmware checking "auto-reboot, nand erase, and F.reset" options. Once it boots enable developer options and oem unlock and usb debugging (then do a factory reset from settings menu). Then you can flash the CSC from Verizon stock. Placing VZW .pit file in appropriate section. Then you can flash the BL,AP,CP files from VZW rom. Personally....this seems like alot of unnecessary work with a great chance for missing something. Might be better to root sprint device and manually install vzw modem files, apns.conf, prl, telephony.db.....better yet why not just flash a custom rom from twrp. thats just one zip file in twrp.
I don't know what I've done differently, but I currently have and use without any problems a Sprint G920P on the nations most reliable network… Verizon. I can tell you that I didn't have to jump through all or any of the hoops that others in this post have outlined. I will tell you what I did ; Flashed G920p with Bigdaddy PL3 Aroma V1.x ,TWRP-3.2.1.0, SuperSu-v2.82, and 3.10.61_Stock_Modified_Kernel_By_Aurora_Rom [email protected]#1. Phone has been unlocked by Idonne apps. I believe that last bit has a lot to do with my success. there is a setting in his app if the phone is to be used on a CDMA network or a GSM network. And not to discredit the person that discouraged you from having a Verizon employee help you but it was he that figured out how to make Verizons system find my phone. Not sure exactly what he did but I saw him take his company phone out of his pocket and scan the sticker on the back of it into the system saying "we will just make the system recognize it". Voila, worked perfectly and continues to operate without flaw on their network. I do get a roam "R", but checking settings indicates that I am not roaming. I live on the border to Canada so it is to be expected, but not the case. As far as Network, device says Preferred Network instead of Verizon. It could say your name for all I care as long as it works! Hope this sheds some light on it for you without having to make all of those unnecessary changes. One last note.... the salesman did say that mine is the first Sprint Device that he has seen on their network.... I guess that makes me special huh? Lol...