WM Alternatives? - Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking

Hello all, I've flashed my Asus P320 to hdubli's cool WM 6.5 ROM. Of course, before this, I've tried the SPB Shell, PointUI, etc., but what I REALLY want, is to completely get RID of Windows. Replace the kernel, if I have to, and change my OS. To maybe, a Linux based system, or even the promising Google Android.
Is there any way I could do this?
Thanks a lot for your time

How much do you actually know about linux (any system, right now)?

Steven855 said:
How much do you actually know about linux (any system, right now)?
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ugh, tough,
how about playing with fancy Xwindow with a lot of mouse clicks?
sorry no offence.

Linux? Well, I like the terminal, I can find my way around with it. I'm typing this with my Ubuntu Jaunty, with KDE
I'm more than comfortable with Linux.
Edit: Oh yeah, do Local Privilege Escalation Exploits count as well?

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Linux on Pocket PC

Hi all,
I ask this question cuz I counldn't find enough information about How to install Linux on my PPC.
My ppc is: I-teq X-bond like as Gigabyte gsmart i. with 64MB ROM.
Is there any linux ROM distribution for my ppc? or general linux ROM distribution for PPCs?
Thanks in advance.
Pedram
The reason you could not find information is because there isn't much of it to be found.
Unfortunately, Linux for PPC is in its infancy. The main problem is the drivers - they all need to be reverse engineered and there is no help from the OEMs as they designed this things to only work with MS crap and seem to have no interest in releasing drivers or specifications.
Official reason: Because you can not mess with the OS the device is more stable and secure.
Real reason: If you need to by new phone to get new OS we make more $$$ and so does MS.
As far as I heard there is a half decent version for some iPaq model, and there is version for some HTC devices (check WiKi) but all it does is boot up: no drivers even for touch screen, no graphical interface, no apps.
Thnx levelnum.
I think if linux developers I mean open source world focus on handheld devices they can publish good distribution as desktop or laptop PCs. Today they are very powerful in reverse engineering, .NET Framework in Linux named MONO is one of these reverse engineering issues.
I believe that Linux is much more customizable that WM, especially for XDA-developers that make interesting works on WM. And also it doesn't have copyright restriction as WM has. So may be it makes many progress in world of handheld devices.
Oddly enough I was looking for Linux on Smartphone info yesterday as I've got an Alpine I'd like to be able to do something interesting with.
Demand for something like this is going to be a bit odd - by definition anyone who finds this site, let alone opens an account and posts, is going to be interested in pushing the boundaries of their device but the vast majority of WM device users are going to be in the "don't care how it works as long as it does" group.
Also, I reckon a lot of Linux dev types aren't even going to look at the device, it will never occur to them to buy one because it's sold as a Windows Mobile device, and hence isn't going to be near their installation of the hacker mentality. Without a critical mass of people who can develop in/with Linux it's always going to be a struggle.
problem is the program base
all current wm programs unless they are .net
would not run under linux on our pda's
new ones would be required to be written
or ported or....
The Nokia Internet Tablet runs on a version of Linux with a pretty robust set of applications, and this device uses an ARM processor which should be pretty friendly with regard to 'porting'.
But you'd still be stuck without a telephone application.
You can find some information here:
http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HaRET
http://www.handhelds.org/
Oddly enough I was looking for Linux on Smartphone info yesterday as I've got an Alpine I'd like to be able to do something interesting with.
Demand for something like this is going to be a bit odd - by definition anyone who finds this site, let alone opens an account and posts, is going to be interested in pushing the boundaries of their device but the vast majority of WM device users are going to be in the "don't care how it works as long as it does" group.
Also, I reckon a lot of Linux dev types aren't even going to look at the device, it will never occur to them to buy one because it's sold as a Windows Mobile device, and hence isn't going to be near their installation of the hacker mentality. Without a critical mass of people who can develop in/with Linux it's always going to be a struggle.
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May be! as you said it is Windows mobile device and linux lovers aren't going around of it. but I think they are so curious than it.
problem is the program base
all current wm programs unless they are .net
would not run under linux on our pda's
new ones would be required to be written
or ported or....
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I do think so. since I in previous post I mentioned that .NET framework available in linux. so many of windows program can run on it.
You can find some information here:
http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HaRET
http://www.handhelds.org/
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Hart (Reverse engineering tool for wm hardware) was interesting tool.
yeah but due to limitations and slowness only the minority of applications on windows mobile are made in .net :S
i want this one
http://www.openmoko.com/press/index.html
Regards,
Jason
Rudegar said:
problem is the program base
all current wm programs unless they are .net
would not run under linux on our pda's
new ones would be required to be written
or ported or....
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This is not a real problem. If you want to use a particular program from WM that is a problem but why you would do that? There is very large program base for desktop Linux (many of them also exist for desktop Windows) which could be very easily ported to a handheld platform with ARM processor. If you ever looked up how many qualitative programs do exist for Japanese Linux handhelds...
Wexx said:
This is not a real problem. If you want to use a particular program from WM that is a problem but why you would do that? There is very large program base for desktop Linux (many of them also exist for desktop Windows) which could be very easily ported to a handheld platform with ARM processor. If you ever looked up how many qualitative programs do exist for Japanese Linux handhelds...
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Thats one of the things that is grate about open source software - you don't even have to depend on the original developer to find the time / will to port it. Anyone with the programing knowledge can.

Android Demo.. When will it run on the BA

I would love to see Android run on my BA
Have a look here for a video demo http://friends.e2b.org/Noel/blog/61/
Lets wait and see if it will ever work on it.
I dont like it, it looks too much like MAC and I hate MAC's
i00n said:
I dont like it, it looks too much like MAC and I hate MAC's
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I do not use a MAC, never have, and will not in any near future, but why do you hate MAC's?
And yes.. It's a a bit off topic..
PS. Never say never :-/
Well I rly dont like MAC interface and the system look is too much eye-candy :/
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Well I rly dont like MAC interface and the system look is too much eye-candy :/
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I see.. Now lets really hope that you will never use Vista than.
Ill use it when sp2 or sp3 will come or when newest programs wich I would like to use would only run on Vista. Ehhh why halo 2 is for Vista ((( I dont want Vista yet
i00n said:
Ill use it when sp2 or sp3 will come or when newest programs wich I would like to use would only run on Vista. Ehhh why halo 2 is for Vista ((( I dont want Vista yet
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Last thing I say about this off topic here.
Vista is even more eye-candy, so your theory about MAC and it being "too much eye-candy" does not really stand!
OT: Vista, Halo 2, forced 'upgrades'
i00n said:
Ill use it when sp2 or sp3 will come or when newest programs wich I would like to use would only run on Vista. Ehhh why halo 2 is for Vista ((( I dont want Vista yet
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Why is it for vista only? Because Microsoft wants you to buy their software, and if they can make it so the stuff you want to use is vista only, all the better for them.
As for Halo 2, there are ways to make it run under XP, and I can vouch for the fact that they do work.
How to do it is an exercise for the reader.
And don't hate an environment/OS unless you have actually used it, otherwise you come across as another of the drooling fanboys.
I've used both and I get more work done on a Mac than I do on Windows.
I worked for about year on MACs when I was in school when I wanted to get a techinc status. Their interface does not suit me, I always found it horrible somehow please dont hate me for that
i00n said:
I worked for about year on MACs when I was in school when I wanted to get a techinc status. Their interface does not suit me, I always found it horrible somehow please dont hate me for that
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But how long ago was that? OS 10 has about as much in common with os 7/8/9 as XP has in common with WfW 3.11
Regardless, I was using 7/8/9 as well and did get more work done.
If the UI is not something you like, then you don't like it, no problems there. I'm not going to try to convert anyone (I use XP, OS 10, and Linux), nor am I going to hate anyone over it.
However, I do find your reasoning (too much eye candy) flawed considering vista tries to outdo Apple on the eye candy thing.
Oh, BTW, it's typed Mac. When you do the MAC thing, I immediately think Media Access Control address.

VMWare For WM6?

I work in software packaging... and I use VMWare a lot for different builds etc.
I was wondering if there was such an application for mobile phones. like VMWARE that I could test ROMs on etc. before putting onto my phone?
Apologies if posted in the wrong spot etc.
Regards.
That WOULD be a useful tool, such as an emulator??
Dont the windows mobile 6 sdk tools come with this sort of thing ? But I dont know if u can load a rom from here into it. But I know it comes with a base rom to use for testing, if your developing with Visual Studio or something.
twist said:
Dont the windows mobile 6 sdk tools come with this sort of thing ? But I dont know if u can load a rom from here into it. But I know it comes with a base rom to use for testing, if your developing with Visual Studio or something.
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Correct, the emulator bundled with the SDK is only for testing programs which will run on it.
What we want is a virtual device which will act just like the hermes hardware, that way we can test unbricking techiques etc...
Something like this would indeed be a huge step for developers and cooks.
VM for WM
All you need are the environmental configuration details, ie the parameters that for the sys config and build out the vmx file.
There's no way you'd get assistance from VMware on this, ut if you think about it there are what ... 12 pre-set environments in VM-WK6?
I reckon if you debug one of these, hack away at the profile, RAM, cpu requirements (cycles, Hz, etc, etc) then you are most of the way there.
There is only a finite amount of environmental configurations, it's about controlling those.
Have a look at the VMware site, go to virtual appliances, and see how people have built the base out on some of the simpler appliances
http://mobiledevdesign.com/software_design/open-kernel-labs-okl4-software-0521/
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http://mobiledevdesign.com/software_design/open-kernel-labs-okl4-software-0521/
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That's not quite with the topic here. From what I got out of that is they are working on running 2 operating systems on 1 phone. Not something like a hermes emulator.

Emulator?

Hey there,
I searched for it but didn't find it..
I need an emulator for testing the roms.
Do you know if therer ist one?
so far
manu
No, there is not, and can not be.
manum86 said:
Hey there,
I searched for it but didn't find it..
I need an emulator for testing the roms.
Do you know if therer ist one?
so far
manu
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LOL... I think this could be possible, of course... but as far as I know there is nobody in the world trying to make a hardware specific emulator... but if, "if" there exist some emulator like that, somebody will need a very very powerfull computer to run it! There is a lot of electronic parts (very state of art kind of) to be emulated.
The WM5 or WM6 emulators are for software test purpose, and you can browse for microsoft visual studio and download a trial. Works great, and runs a lot of applications just like phones (even sync with ActiveSync), but not so fast as the "high end" ones.
thx
okay, thanks...

Windows 6.5 mobile embedded emulator?

I have handhelds at work that run Windows 6.5 mobile embedded. eSOMS from ventyx is what we use. I would like to 1. have better hardware meaning faster CPU and bigger screen. 2. Android functionality for additional things like google glasses etc. 3. some kind of reader program to be able to have procedures etc.
Is there ANY way to do something like this. I have been searching on here and google searching and have come up with bumpkiss.
I can't believe with the money we spend on tech we are stuck with these pieces of garbage.
I believe an emulator that runs on android will do everything I want but don't see any.
Not one reply? Someone must know how to do this...
Blindbart said:
I have handhelds at work that run Windows 6.5 mobile embedded. eSOMS from ventyx is what we use. I would like to 1. have better hardware meaning faster CPU and bigger screen. 2. Android functionality for additional things like google glasses etc. 3. some kind of reader program to be able to have procedures etc.
Is there ANY way to do something like this. I have been searching on here and google searching and have come up with bumpkiss.
I can't believe with the money we spend on tech we are stuck with these pieces of garbage.
I believe an emulator that runs on android will do everything I want but don't see any.
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Not one reply? Someone must know how to do this...
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How much money would it be worth to have something like this made?

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