Does anyone know if it is possible to establish a connection with the TP2 to the internet through a wireless pen?
Like you connect a USB pen that establishes a wireless connection and you can use it on your laptop maybe it can be used also in a TP2?
Anyone knows anything about this?
If I'm understanding what you mean, you're talking about connecting a USB 3G dongle, that you could use to get wireless internet on a laptop, to the phone?
I doubt you can - and can't see why you'd want to since the phone has all of that built in anyway as part of the phone. So maybe I'm not getting what you mean?
Steve.
Pens always have been wireless. I especially like to use the wireless Bic pens that have the ink gel. In many ways, it could be a better data tool than even the TP2. I had a great wireless connection to my laptop using the wireless Bic pen but the screen doesn't retain the ink that well. If you chew on the end of the pen, it fits in the USB slot as well. Overall, I would say that the pen is very compatible with a laptop but not so compatible with the TP2 since the screen of the TP2 is very shiny and slippery.
^^ lol!
On a more serious note: I'm assuming your talking about the digital pens which interface with a hosted service for form-services?
If so - it should be able to connect to the device using bluetooth and onwards - but you'll need the client software which will need to be compatible with a Windows Mobile device.
hth.
Yes, i'm talking about 3G dongle, in my country the technical name, is 3G wireless pen
In my country, the cost of the service to access the internet from your phone is too expensive...its way cheaper to buy a 3G dongle and connect it to the phone (if it can be made).
Thats why I was asking if it can be made...connect the 3G dongle to the HTC TP2, in order to use the wireless service as in a laptop!
No, I don't think that's possible - but it seems strange that 3G from a phone is more expensive than 3G from a dongle... It's exactly the same communication system from both. But I guess that's phone companies for you. You could possibly take the SIM out of the 3G dongle and put it in the phone? I guess then you couldn't make/receive calls though but could use that for doing bulk data stuff.
Steve.
ahh, hello! This is possible.
Install activesync/device center, connect to internet on laptop, pair laptop with phone through USB/bluetooth, sync it up, and presto!!
Yeah, but i wanted to use it without the laptop, with the laptop i go online at the laptop, not with the TP2 and its way smaller screen
The service provided here in my country, by Vodafone as download limits too low when it comes the mobile net...through the dongles its a lot cheaper...thats why my question...
so, anyone?
guessing not?
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I was thinking about this yesterday and I don't see why this wouldn't be possible.
According to Motorola all the Laptop Dock is, is a screen keyboard and mouse. In the interest of saving money, why not just take an old netbook, take out the internals and convert it? I'm not exactly skilled with electronics but I don't see why this wouldn't be possible, you would need to either keep the DC board (if it is separate) or remove it from the motherboard itself. Then it would just be a matter of converting the LCD to HDMI Input and linking the USB's to the Atrix. At which point you just plug your phone via 2 cables and voila, it would work. Granted you would clearly need to change the connectors for the Keyboard and trackpad, but strip down an HDMI Multimedia dock and I could easily see this being done and saving money. (easily being subjective)
That might be challenging. Adding an HDMI input to a screen that wasn't designed with it is very difficult and potentially expensive. Most netbooks are using analog inputs and HDMI is digital.
The main way to go from analog to digital is a video capture device that encodes the analog signal. Those tend to have a fair bit of latency and are neither small nor cheap.
If you started with a display that supported HDMI input you could build a home brew laptop from that. Power might be an issue at that point though.
From what I have seen the Webtop is merely a feature of pluggin in the HDMI cable and selecting the appliction. The HDMI dock is not going to add much value other than be a convient and nice form factor.
I have considered doing somthing like you are suggesting but I am struggling with the HDMI issue. Currently the only option seems to be taking a display that supports HDMI and converting it into a homebrew laptop. At this time I can't find a digital display that is smaller that 20". An 11-15 inch screen that supports HDMI doesn't seem to exist.
I have thought of the same thing. The sticking point in my mind is the HDMI connection to the screen. The keyboard and mouse are likely just regular usb devices.
The next problem is that my Frankenstein device may cost $100+ to create and will likely look like crap.
The next problem is that the webtop appears to be locked down unless you have a tethering plan.
My conclusion from all of this is that it is cheaper and cleaner to buy a netbook and either add tethering only when necessary or root the device and add barnacle wifi.
If I'm not mistaken though, a netbook with an 11.6 inch display probably isn't only analog. I have a Toshiba T215-S1150 as well as an Asus EeePC that I'm looking into doing such with.
Granted off the top of my head a Pixel Qi display may accomplish such but I'm not sure if that is a Digital Input display.
I could be wrong though but I thought that in the end it's an LCD panel, the inputs are sodered on as to how you want to allow a Video Input.
You say the laptop dock is locked down without a tethering plan, one thing I did notice is you can buy the HDMI dock and it doesn't require it. You can use it with webtop also, I don't see how AT&T can determine if you are using Webtop on a Laptop or on a Desktop. Especially since from what I can tell, plugging in an HDMI cable will bring up the option for webtop also.
I don't see how the Frankenstein device is going to look bad especially since you will be removing most of the internals, you just remove a VGA port or plug an HDMI cable into the HDMI out. Then you use the USB as it was intended to connect the device to the rest of the internals. I know I'm not an electrical engineer or anything, but I know enough of the basics to see how this could work.
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I have thought of the same thing. The sticking point in my mind is the HDMI connection to the screen. The keyboard and mouse are likely just regular usb devices.
The next problem is that my Frankenstein device may cost $100+ to create and will likely look like crap.
The next problem is that the webtop appears to be locked down unless you have a tethering plan.
My conclusion from all of this is that it is cheaper and cleaner to buy a netbook and either add tethering only when necessary or root the device and add barnacle wifi.
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In regards to the tethering plan:
As I understand it the only requirement to have the tethering plan is to get the subsidy on the Laptop dock.
If you purchase the laptop dock outside a subsidized bundle then there is no need for a tethering plan.
As naturefreak85 said. The dock will allow webtop to launch as will a basic HDMI cable.
There is a video on you tube of a guy doing a demo where he plugs in an HDMI cable and webtop gives an option to launch.
AT&T is merely foisting the tethering plan on people who get the laptop dock on the $500 bundle. If you want to drop $500 on teh dock seperatly there is no requirement.
Mod's and Homebrew can look good. Thats up to the artist. For me its not about circumventing the $500 dock. Its about building somthing cool.
In regards to the HDMI/netbook thing... I did a little more thinking on how that works.
The motherboard has an LCD controller on it which sits between the video adapter on the MB and the LCD.
It goes:
Motherboard->Video Adapter (on silicon)->LCD controller->ribbon cable->LCD
There is also a LCD backlight and inverter involved.
If you just try to plug into the ribbon cable you loose the controller (and backlight inverter)
The contorller is the missing link and they are difficult to purchase on their own in any cost effective manner.
That is where canabalizing a monitor would workas it has a controller with it. The netbook/laptop has thecontroller embeded or loosely couple with the MB.
The hunt goes on.
I'll have to do some research on the schematics of my 1000HA and see the connection the display has to the motherboard. I figure it could be done in terms of converting the display to HDMI, just a matter of figuring out the right pinout and still supplying the right amount of power.
I would love to bring this to fruition because I've never done too much modding, but always been interested in such. I envision the ability to lift up the keyboard and plug the phone in, then lay the keyboard right back down. To the average viewer, it's a laptop but you are keeping your phone nicely protected/connected in it especially nice on an airplane. Much harder to leave a laptop behind vs a phone.
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As I understand it the only requirement to have the tethering plan is to get the subsidy on the Laptop dock.
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We will likely found out the answer to this on Monday, but the ATT page seems to say that tethering is required for use of firefox in the webtop mode.
The Atrix page on ATT's website states:
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Full Firefox® browser use with AT&T Mobile Broadband requires DataPro 4GB Personal plan.
** Although, on second thought, that may be an "ATT Requirement" but it doesn't necessarily mean that the browser won't work.
Right as I read that it means, in order to use Webtop on 3G you need the tethering plan, but at the same time, I'm not sure how they can differentiate between desktop firefox if you change the ID tag of it. Plus they don't restrict it if used on WiFi.
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We will likely found out the answer to this on Monday, but the ATT page seems to say that tethering is required for use of firefox in the webtop mode.
The Atrix page on ATT's website states:
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Full Firefox® browser use with AT&T Mobile Broadband requires DataPro 4GB Personal plan.
** Although, on second thought, that may be an "ATT Requirement" but it doesn't necessarily mean that the browser won't work.
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I'll have to do some research on the schematics of my 1000HA and see the connection the display has to the motherboard. I figure it could be done in terms of converting the display to HDMI, just a matter of figuring out the right pinout and still supplying the right amount of power.
I would love to bring this to fruition because I've never done too much modding, but always been interested in such. I envision the ability to lift up the keyboard and plug the phone in, then lay the keyboard right back down. To the average viewer, it's a laptop but you are keeping your phone nicely protected/connected in it especially nice on an airplane. Much harder to leave a laptop behind vs a phone.
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The issue is laptop displays typically use LVDS, which is very incompatible with DVI/HDMI signals. You basically need a DVI>LVDS board, which will run into the hundreds of dollars to buy like that.
Unless your laptop uses DisplayPort for it's display connection (unlikely on a netbook,) in which case it would basically be a matter of including a 'cheap' DVI>Displayport converter then pin-matching it to the screen.
I'm actively working on a way to achieve it, too, though (with my Asus Eee 1215T.)
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The issue is laptop displays typically use LVDS, which is very incompatible with DVI/HDMI signals. You basically need a DVI>LVDS board, which will run into the hundreds of dollars to buy like that.
Unless your laptop uses DisplayPort for it's display connection (unlikely on a netbook,) in which case it would basically be a matter of including a 'cheap' DVI>Displayport converter then pin-matching it to the screen.
I'm actively working on a way to achieve it, too, though (with my Asus Eee 1215T.)
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Doing a little bit more research and we have a possible solution, it may require splicing out the HDMI cable to get audio off the connector but this could work.....and it's $29
http://www.google.com/products/cata...og_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCAQ8wIwAA#
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Doing a little bit more research and we have a possible solution, it may require splicing out the HDMI cable to get audio off the connector but this could work.....and it's $29
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This is a board designed for a specific miniITX motherboard - it takes whatever the mobo puts out and turns it into DVI and LVDS. If you could figure out what signals you need to provide to that board, then make those out of an HDMI signal, you might have a way in. Not sure just what functions that board actually provides, and it would be a rather extensive project to find out. I'm guessing that since it has a fair bit of circuitry behind the DVI port, it's not a natively DVI/HDMI-compatible signal.
That means a bit of reverse-engineering though, which I'm not *too* keen on doing. My current line of thought involves using some form of portable media player with a decent screen, since they typically accept some form of video input, haxxed into a case with a USB keyboard and (maybe) touchpad. The hard part is finding a usable screen that is actually better than the one on the Atrix.
That, or find a broken (not the screen! ) modern, high-end laptop that uses Displayport for it's display..
(Apologies if this has been asked before or if it's mind-bogglingly retarded.)
What we have with the SGS2 is remarkable - it's as powerful as a netbook, with video-out and USB host functionality.
It seems to me that carrying such a super-phone alongside a netbook would be a waste of money and effort, when the processor in the SGS2 is more than up to scratch.
So what would be the obstacles in making a "shell" that provided a laptop-like keyboard, mouse and screen, with an SGS2 where the processor, RAM and so on would normally be housed? (The SGS2 would be removable, of course.)
These are the ones I can think of:
USB/Bluetooth keyboard support - may have to be Bluetooth keyboard.
Touch input? (May have to be Bluetooth mouse, but mouse input is possible in Android)
Connecting a monitor and USB device through the same USB port (not necessary if keyboard/mouse are Bluetooth)
Battery life - just make the shell house a fat battery!
So let's say we could piece all that together - a keyboard, mouse, battery and screen in one shell. It could come out considerably cheaper and lighter than a netbook, with all the SGS2's media playback abilities, internet without having to tether, and no need to change apps when going from netbook to phone.
There's probably something I haven't thought of, but I couldn't resist posting.
Thoughts?
I would love to see something like this happen. The SGS2 will be my first Android phone, coming from WinMo, so I've no idea what is available or is possible with the OS. One reason I bought this phone was because I wanted to connect a Bluetooth keyboard (and mouse?) to it and keep it mounted on a dock or stand right below my two monitors at work, serving as an internet/chat/email computer, instead of taking my phone AND laptop to work every day.
Now I may be mistaken, but MHL doesn't support simultaneous USB and HDMI out, so if you wanted to connect input devices AND have monitor out, I'd guess the keyboard and mouse would have to be Bluetooth, as you've mentioned. One thing that interests me is something the Wiki entry mentions:
"The HDTV remote will control the connected device with guaranteed mixed manufacturer interoperability."
So perhaps one day we might see some SGS2 "lapdock" like the Atrix?
Check out what the guy says at 8:50 in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtwTcnR0hqA
He says, basically, that he can connect the device to a tv through MHL, connect a BT keyboard and mouse, then sit back on his couch and use his device like a living room PC.
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I put it in the top lid of my logitech dinovo mini with some rubber bands.
Looks like sh*t, but works really well!
//Gunnar
You won't be able to do a full netbook, because the microUSB connector on the SGS2 can be used either as microUSB or MHL (HDMI video out + charger input); the two functions of the connector are mutually exclusive. So, if you're piping the SGS2's video out to the shell's display, you have no USB, and if you're using the USB, there's no external video.
You might be able to use some kind of remoting software to work around this & use the USB functionality of the SGS2; the shell would have something like a VNC client installed, then connect to server software on the SGS2 (over WiFi or BT networking).
Hm, are you 100% sure about them being mutually exclusive?
GunnarKarlsson said:
I put it in the top lid of my logitech dinovo mini with some rubber bands.
Looks like sh*t, but works really well!
//Gunnar
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Interesting, but I would still prefer a full size keyboard.
How is it connected? USB? BT?
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You might be able to use some kind of remoting software to work around this & use the USB functionality of the SGS2; the shell would have something like a VNC client installed, then connect to server software on the SGS2 (over WiFi or BT networking).
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No idea how this can be realized. Afaik, there is a VNC client installed, but no server.
Guess it is easier to try what is mentioned above :
Use NHL to get the monitor working and BT for the keyboard. Would be good to have some profile, which enables the BT keyboard when NHL is plugged, maybe through locale or so.
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I know this thread is kinda old now, but some recent tech news brought this idea back to memory for me. ICE Computer showed a docking tablet they call Trinity at Computex 2011, which apparently can be made to dock with nearly any phone or even a PC module. I didn't find too much info that wasn't regurgitated between sites, but it sounds like they won't be selling it themselves, rather they'll sell it to other companies who want one for their device.
My hope is they'll sell some kind of universal version that takes different phones and maybe just requires a different-shaped module for different phones. Here's a link to the Engadget post, but there are other pages that describe what it does and when it should be available.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/01/ice-computer-shows-off-trinity-modular-tablet-concept-aims-for/
Add a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse, perhaps a stand, and voila!
Need a solution like this
1) MHL output to a tv/ monitor
2) Bluetooth keyboard and mouse work over HID profile
3) Remote Desktop software that allows use of external keyboard and mouse and which can output native resolution rather than just mirroring the screen.
I seem to have gotten myself in a little 'pickle' here and snapped off the antenna of my wireless NIC card on my computer during the moving process. Being rather crafty I attempted to repair it and got it partially functioning but it gets a very poor signal from the router (0/5 or 1/5) bars and the internet is beyond slow now on my desktop.
As a temporary fix I have just tethered my phone to do a few small things that I needed to get done, but with my throttle limit approaching and my cycle renewal still a week out this will not continue to work.
Is there a way to "tether" into my WiFi treating the phone as more of a wireless(or USB to comp) NIC card? It is out of my budget to replace the broken card at the moment and while possible, really not practical to relocate the router closer.
Tried to search around a little bit, and while I came up with a few similar thread none are exactly what I am seeking unless I am misunderstanding in my frustrated state.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=use+phone+as+wireless+adapter
Found numerous results with ways to do this.
Pretty cool to know that this is an option just in case my usb wifi thing ever dies. Although it is only $10 bucks lol....don't mind spending that really.
Depending on the distance of your computer and router, the only idead i have is this. With a USB cable you could place your phone close to your router and let it use the wifi. With a service such as EasyTether, you could bridge the wifi on your phone to the computer with the USB cable I mentioned earlier. Another solution is if you phone is in bluetooth range to your computer you could actually tether that way using your wifi. Alike, place your phone close to your router so it can use wifi and then pair your phone and computer and tether like that.
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=use+phone+as+wireless+adapter
Found numerous results with ways to do this.
Pretty cool to know that this is an option just in case my usb wifi thing ever dies. Although it is only $10 bucks lol....don't mind spending that really.
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Fair enough, maybe I should have searched outside of XDA, sometimes I just like to stick my favorite native forum
Where did you find one for $10? The only decent ones with reviews I seem to find are $40+ and with the car emergency/move I just forked over cash for it's not something I wanted to shell out if I could easily tether as wireless adapter.
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Fair enough, maybe I should have searched outside of XDA, sometimes I just like to stick my favorite native forum
Where did you find one for $10? The only decent ones with reviews I seem to find are $40+ and with the car emergency/move I just forked over cash for it's not something I wanted to shell out if I could easily tether as wireless adapter.
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Well to be fair it was on sale. I got it off Newegg. Dont be to worried about reviews...with wireless there are so many factors that play into bad/dropped signal and a lot of the average joes have no idea how or why it is happening. And rather than troubleshoot it, it is much easier to just blame the adapter. Naturally, these are the majority of people who write reviews.
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OK, so I came across a component replacememnt pdf and listed there was a photo with a coaxial plug (photo 1) like what you see in the old wireless cards you could buy for a laptop.. (see photo 2)
My question is if anyone knows if I can plug in an old wifi laptop card antenna to that and if thats for wireless in our devices? I know where the wireless antenna is in our phones but am stumped to what else this plug could be used for... I will be taking my PLAY apart tonight and testing this theory out, I will be shocked if its even remotely related to wifi.....
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OK, so I came across a component replacememnt pdf and listed there was a photo with a coaxial plug (photo 1) like what you see in the old wireless cards you could buy for a laptop.. (see photo 2)
My question is if anyone knows if I can plug in an old wifi laptop card antenna to that and if thats for wireless in our devices? I know where the wireless antenna is in our phones but am stumped to what else this plug could be used for... I will be taking my PLAY apart tonight and testing this theory out, I will be shocked if its even remotely related to wifi.....
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why would you want to though? i mean wifi range is good enough as it is
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why would you want to though? i mean wifi range is good enough as it is
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I have been having constant connection issues with my phone for over a month. I have reflashed the correct doom kernel wifi modules for CDMA and that helps for anywhere from 10 minutes to 2 days then it acts up again. I have FTFd and reinstalled everything from scratch in hopes that helps... which it did but only for like a week. If I sit next to my router its top notch but go in the other room and its dropped to 2 bars and wont stay connected.
I used wire to the underside of the wifi sticker as a sudo antenna and it seemed to give me an extra 30-50 feet of range but after 2 days its abck again. So I took out the wire, and found the pdf I attached. I have confirmed by looking at my old old laptops wireless card antennas inside that they connectors are the same and if I take thge wifi antenna from my laptop and put it to the connect in the PDF it snaps in place but its too big to let me put the phone back together. So lets just say I have a wifi issue that doesnt seem to want to be fixed. And I am just really tired of fighting with it and running out of ideas.... scrathc that.. I have run out of ideas. I just dont know what to do. And my only choices for other kernels are Stock with overclock, but no recovery, or stock kernel with no overclock. I have never been able to get the CWM installer to work ever........ anyways sorry for the long reply just tired of this.....
Is there a way to connect via 2.4ghz wireless as opposed to Bluetooth. I have a Rii mini wireless keyboard that connects via 2.4ghz. (They actually do bluetooth ones aswell but I bought the 2.4 one as it was literally pennies cheaper. I did buy this time ago and not to connect to phones yet hindsight makes me feel stupid.)
Have searched the play store market for 2.4ghz connectors but only seem to find wifi detectors. Does 2.4 run via completely different hardware to bluetooth or is there some kind of software to manipulate connections?
I know there is a similar question but I focus mainly on the hardware difference between bluetooth and 2.4ghz.
I know I can use the wireless receiver for the keyboard via usb otg but dont have the otg connector.
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Is there a way to connect via 2.4ghz wireless as opposed to Bluetooth. I have a Rii mini wireless keyboard that connects via 2.4ghz. (They actually do bluetooth ones aswell but I bought the 2.4 one as it was literally pennies cheaper. I did buy this time ago and not to connect to phones yet hindsight makes me feel stupid.)
Have searched the play store market for 2.4ghz connectors but only seem to find wifi detectors. Does 2.4 run via completely different hardware to bluetooth or is there some kind of software to manipulate connections?
I know there is a similar question but I focus mainly on the hardware difference between bluetooth and 2.4ghz.
I know I can use the wireless receiver for the keyboard via usb otg but dont have the otg connector.
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buy yourself an otg cable. it costs less then 3$ included shipping. tested that with my wireless keyboard and it works fine. no additional external power source needed for the usb receiver. the only other way is to buy a Bluetooth keyboard
do what he said. the rii works fine with otg cable