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CoPilot and T-Mob US TP2

I was really excited when I bought Copilot over a week ago. It was cheap and effective; to a point. When I used to use Tom Tom 7, it could detect my movement even while walking i e. 200meters, 150m, 100m and so on.
I noticed with Copilot, when walking once I'm less than 1.5km or 2 miles it stops counting down. I havent installed the GPS patch since getting a signal is not a problem. Also Google maps and Live search(bing) act just like the TT7 and are pretty accurate when walking.
Anyone else notice this and if so any suggestions?
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i have noticed that when i was driving slowly. CoPilot seems to just decide that ive stopped. this seems to happen somewhere around 5mph and below. it might be a problem with their movement detection, thats what im guessing
i tried out CoPilot because TomTom7 would not work for me. the gps location would not update at the proper rate and lag really far behind
overall i find CoPilot to be a pretty decent piece of software. im just disappointed that they have yet to release text to speech. that and the cheapness of it were the two reasons i decided to get it.

I got Copilot Live 8 last night and so far I am liking it. When you are walking have you put it in walk mode? It has a separate setting for when you are walking as the driving setting only detects movement over 5MPH. So far I am quite happy with the TBT and TTS abilities of this program. and it was a lot less expensive than the competitors.

I too noticed it has a walk mode. I have yet to buy it...
alabij- can you confirm that it does not keep up with you in "Walk" mode? Or were you walking with it in "Drive" mode?
Thanks for the info

mmm I've been using V8 for a while now in both driving and walking modes and not seen any issues. So long as you set it to "walking" mode on the route settings, it works just fine. Update is a little slow, but I'm not sure thats the software, I have a feeling the GPS just can't detect that my movements to that level of detail.

cameraddict said:
I too noticed it has a walk mode. I have yet to buy it...
alabij- can you confirm that it does not keep up with you in "Walk" mode? Or were you walking with it in "Drive" mode?
Thanks for the info
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I have to admit I haven't really tried it in walk mode. I'll test it within the week. I played around with it but I didn't fancy the 2D maps compared to the driving 3D maps. I'll give it a try though.

I tried Copilot Live 8 and while it did work on my T-mobile TP2 for a bit - their total lack of support make me unable to recommend this software for purchase. My original device died and had to be replaced and now I can't activate Copilot on my new device since I can't deactivate it on the old one - and I have ticket opened for almost 5 days now on this with no response from ALK whatsoever. Their phone support is non-existent as well, I spent 30+ minutes on hold to no avail. So beware - if you have any sort of issue - you are on your own.

Copilot
I just purchased Copilot and it has worked for me in every way. I work away from home alot and normally we use Garmin units, well i purchased Copilot and have ran test and it kicks the Garmins ass. Everyone i work with wants one now. I have tried it in multiple states and always has performed exceptionally. I could not have bought anything better for the price. As far as the people that claim that its pricey LOL u bought a TP2 dammit spend the $$$ and stop crying.

GPS position updates aren't totally accurate; you might be told that you're going backwards. I'm guessing that they throw out updates under 5mph because they don't expect you to move very far when you're going slowly, and directional updates might be erroneous. You wouldn't want to get rerouted every second while sitting still, I'm sure

Why is GPS so important

Ok so I see/read about all these leaks and blah blah and on every forum I go to people complain about gps I don't see the big deal I hardly use gps it doesn't seem to bother me what do u guys use gps so much for that when looking at a rom or phone gps has to be a priority just curious I guess yes I kno about traveling is that it or am I missing something
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Because I sold my gps to get my epic
And I have to drive places I don't know very well
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But I mean how off can ur gps be? Some people complain about meer feet I understand the traveling idea cause yea I use it to go to the other sides of town where I live but to choose whether or not ur gonna get a certain rom, phone, manufacture cause of gps problems I think its crazy..if that's the only reason some people are just picky I thought maybe gps dealt with somethin else that's why people cared about it so much?
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Before I got my tab I used GPS quite often. It was a feature I bought the phone for and I wanted it to work. Surprisingly my Gtab has a great GPS.
My wife the real estate agent seems to think it's pretty important too.

I stopped bringing my gps places. I pay for the service, it should work.

guess that makes since I'm still not gonna not get a phone I've been excited about cause I hear it has gps issues that's just me maybe
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Mine has made stupid mistakes that made me retrace an exit or 2, but i really can't say my regular gps has performed so perfectly.

thall302559 said:
Ok so I see/read about all these leaks and blah blah and on every forum I go to people complain about gps I don't see the big deal I hardly use gps it doesn't seem to bother me what do u guys use gps so much for that when looking at a rom or phone gps has to be a priority just curious I guess yes I kno about traveling is that it or am I missing something
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The average person needs GPS for a lot of reasons. Some people actually use it rather than pretend they know where they are going, only to get lost, drive like an over cautious idiot causing accidents because they really dont know where they are going. I got my dad an Epic for the GPS because he's one of those people.

Gps is very useful for many reasons. Of course the obvious is getting around town.
But it also integrates with many apps that use your location. Such as yelp, or movie app, or facebook etc...
True, you could always manually enter your location, but one of the main selling points for me on a smartphone is to reduce the amount of things I need to do in my daily life.
Getting back to "getting around town". Instead of looking up directions and printing them out, and still possibly not know exactly where to go... I can hop in my car, pull up my calendar and literally touch phone twice to start navigating me to my destination.
Of course this won't apply to everyone, but I know it certainly helps me in my daily life.
Also just fyi, people aren't just containing about a few feet. A lot of roms have completely broken gps or gps that displays wrong location.
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Well for the reasons ^^^
And I'll put it this way. Lets say you have a car with 4 doors and u dont have many people ride in the back. Don't you still want your 2 rear windows to work?
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In many cases the GPS just locks up while driving somewhere. So it requires a reboot to get it going again...not cool at 70 MPH on the highway. The GPS on our phone takes the place of a Garmin or TOM TOM and is a very important feature for most of us when choosing a phone. For people that don't go anywhere unknown to them it is no big deal. I do AC work and go to 5-8 new places a day. Don't want to sit with a map trying to figure out where I am going.

Because when one lives in a major city, gps with real-time traffic reports is invaluable to have while trying to commute to and from work for example. Not a priority when you live in a small town and know all the roads and such.
Don't want to be like that one kid on the Verizon commercial who has a utility belt with 5-7 devices attached to it.
All-in-one is ideal.

The Root said:
Mine has made stupid mistakes that made me retrace an exit or 2, but i really can't say my regular gps has performed so perfectly.Not all map programs are create equal. Google maps have some of the worst routing IQs around and that is why it is free. You get what you pay for. TOMTOM has the best routing IQs and so is Garmen both of these program are not available for Android yet. But I heard TOMTOM is coming soon.
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The main reason I care is the location aware stuff. Knowing where you are is incredibly useful. Plus it *is* my only GPS device.

ghostrid3r said:
Because when one lives in a major city, gps with real-time traffic reports is invaluable to have while trying to commute to and from work for example.
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Thsi is the main reason I use my GPS.
Traffic around here can be a massive issue, and knowing where to avoid, can change what could have been an all day parking experience, into a 20min trip, simply by not getting stuck behind an accident that has the highway closed, with no way to exit

zman519 said:
Well for the reasons ^^^
And I'll put it this way. Lets say you have a car with 4 doors and u dont have many people ride in the back. Don't you still want your 2 rear windows to work?
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You hit the nail on the head!

Well, most location services work just fine without knowing EXACTLY where you are.
Other than the obvious that we don't need a reason, it should work, it can work, so when a rom comes out where it doesn't, we should fix that. The thing I use my phone for least is phone calls. That doesn't mean I should shrug my shoulders and go "oh well, I don't use it much" when I find out my phone doesn't actually ring for half my phone calls. (Ah HTC Hero, how I miss thee)
"mere feet" is a big deal while driving, even if that were the major complaint, which it isn't. (Sometimes it makes no attempts to talk to sats, other time it sees 3 but never locks. Other times it locks fine, but loses GPS at some point, never to return)
Mere feet in a big city can mean it not even knowing what road you're on, telling you to turn right 2 seconds after you passed your turn, and then not being narrowed in enough to realize it needs to reroute, until often times that route is now also moot.

kennyglass123 said:
In many cases the GPS just locks up while driving somewhere. So it requires a reboot to get it going again...not cool at 70 MPH on the highway. The GPS on our phone takes the place of a Garmin or TOM TOM and is a very important feature for most of us when choosing a phone. For people that don't go anywhere unknown to them it is no big deal. I do AC work and go to 5-8 new places a day. Don't want to sit with a map trying to figure out where I am going.
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Air Conditioning? If so me too lol
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kennyglass123 said:
In many cases the GPS just locks up while driving somewhere. So it requires a reboot to get it going again...not cool at 70 MPH on the highway. The GPS on our phone takes the place of a Garmin or TOM TOM and is a very important feature for most of us when choosing a phone. For people that don't go anywhere unknown to them it is no big deal. I do AC work and go to 5-8 new places a day. Don't want to sit with a map trying to figure out where I am going.
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I have had the same problem and did the reboot thing to get my gps back also - but what I have found that works for me and is better and faster than a reboot, YMMV, is that I turn on airplane mode and than I turn it off and doing so it relocks/finds my gps again - faster than a reboot - and yes, I have done it while I was driving, but hey no worse than dialing a phone number.

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Air Conditioning? If so me too lol
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Yup. AC/Heating plus plumbing and electrical when things are slow. I dunno AC tech in Florida...what was I thinking...LOL.

GPS only locks on with A-GPS

Used navigation for first time today and found it frustrating. First of all I thought GPS was broken as it span "obtaining location" for 5 minutes until I turned on A-GPS and data then it finally got my location, I later turned off A-GPS and data and it kept on working fine with the already pre cached map data.
Later on had same issue, data was on this time but A-GPS was not. It refused to do anything until A-GPS was turned on. Surely this is not intended behaviour? GPS alone should be sufficient with pre cached data.

it is normal. that's why phones have agps. it helps alot. it takes much longer without the assistance.

Why are you messing around with the GPS, works just fine with the default settings. Not a single issue. Locks fast and near instant. Best GPS I've used (Verizon version) which is saying a lot since I use GPS almost everyday and on every phone I've had.
Was there something wrong with your GPS?
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Well, just thought that it would work with GPS solo like normal gps devices do without requiring mast triangulation etc, probably uses less juice as well. Hopefully you can use gps and a-gps without requiring data as long as you have pre cached.

This is the best GPS I've had also, the default settings are perfectly fine
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Fatila said:
Well, just thought that it would work with GPS solo like normal gps devices do without requiring mast triangulation etc, probably uses less juice as well. Hopefully you can use gps and a-gps without requiring data as long as you have pre cached.
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it will work solo, but if you have assisted turned off, you have to download the gps almanac via gps signal, this takes a long time, but once you have it, everything should work fine. its just to get you homed in initially.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS_signals
takes 12 minutes to download the almanac

there is NO reason to ever turn off a-gps. makes no sense why you would do that. it uses almost no power and is pretty damn accurate, and as you know how (and know why) turning it off makes it take lot longer to find you.

neok44 said:
there is NO reason to ever turn off a-gps. makes no sense why you would do that. it uses almost no power and is pretty damn accurate, and as you know how (and know why) turning it off makes it take lot longer to find you.
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A-GPS is absolute garbage.
It's accurate to within like 2000 meters on a mobile network.
For apps that just need your general locale - it's fine, but for using it for navigation/direction - you have to turn it off so it doesn't give you bogus directions because it thinks you're 5 blocks west of where you're actually at.

How do you make sure aGPS is enabled?
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majiklantrn said:
How do you make sure aGPS is enabled?
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Yeah, how do you turn on or off the a-gps?

wonshikee said:
A-GPS is absolute garbage.
It's accurate to within like 2000 meters on a mobile network.
For apps that just need your general locale - it's fine, but for using it for navigation/direction - you have to turn it off so it doesn't give you bogus directions because it thinks you're 5 blocks west of where you're actually at.
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This is incorrect.
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wonshikee said:
A-GPS is absolute garbage.
It's accurate to within like 2000 meters on a mobile network.
For apps that just need your general locale - it's fine, but for using it for navigation/direction - you have to turn it off so it doesn't give you bogus directions because it thinks you're 5 blocks west of where you're actually at.
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No reason to turn it off though. It can only help to get your location narrowed down.

gogol said:
Yeah, how do you turn on or off the a-gps?
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Just go into your GPS settings and untick use wireless networks.
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Codiusprime said:
This is incorrect.
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No its not....and it is one of the issues that most phones with weak GPS suffer from....the wireless triangulation is garbage. If your device only supports AGPS (older crap phones) then maybe.....I NEVER use wireless assistance on my phone locks in two seconds and tracking is as good as Garmin. Only payoff you may get from AGPS is it tight areas with limited sight of birds....like 1st floor apt. In NYC.
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Codiusprime said:
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This is correct. Agps helps narrow down where you might be much quicker and hands that off to gps so you get more accuracy. We should be. Grateful that gps is competent in this phone, especially because it is samsung. If yours is consistently wack. Then. You probably have. Defect unit.
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aGPS
Wow, there seems to be an awful lot of confusion about what aGPS actually is.
First, aGPS will NOT affect your accuracy in any way.
Here is how things work in a non-aGPS way. In order for GPS to work the receiver has to know where all the satellites will be at any point in time. This is achieved using a series of starting points and equations that describe each satellite's orbit. The orbits vary enough over time that this data, called the "Almanac" is only accurate for a short period of time. The almanac is constantly being updated on the satellites and they, in turn, are constantly broadcasting the almanac back down to the gps receivers. This automatic broadcast is done at a very low bit rate, so it takes about 12 minutes for a satellite to send the almanac data. The receiver has to wait for a new almanac broadcast to start before it can begin saving locally (it can't start saving in the middle), it takes a while for a new session to start over. Your gps must wait until it has at least 3 satellites locked, and a current version of the almanac before it can give your location.
All that aGPS does is download the almanac over the data connection. It allows you to get the almanac data faster, but in no way does it actually affect the accuracy or function of the GPS. The data connection plays absolutly no part in determining your location.

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No its not....and it is one of the issues that most phones with weak GPS suffer from....the wireless triangulation is garbage. If your device only supports AGPS (older crap phones) then maybe.....I NEVER use wireless assistance on my phone locks in two seconds and tracking is as good as Garmin. Only payoff you may get from AGPS is it tight areas with limited sight of birds....like 1st floor apt. In NYC.
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Do not listen to this person as they do not understand what agps is or what it does.
Instead, listen to this person
BradleyUffner said:
Wow, there seems to be an awful lot of confusion about what aGPS actually is.
First, aGPS will NOT affect your accuracy in any way.
Here is how things work in a non-aGPS way. In order for GPS to work the receiver has to know where all the satellites will be at any point in time. This is achieved using a series of starting points and equations that describe each satellite's orbit. The orbits vary enough over time that this data, called the "Almanac" is only accurate for a short period of time. The almanac is constantly being updated on the satellites and they, in turn, are constantly broadcasting the almanac back down to the gps receivers. This automatic broadcast is done at a very low bit rate, so it takes about 12 minutes for a satellite to send the almanac data. The receiver has to wait for a new almanac broadcast to start before it can begin saving locally (it can't start saving in the middle), it takes a while for a new session to start over. Your gps must wait until it has at least 3 satellites locked, and a current version of the almanac before it can give your location.
All that aGPS does is download the almanac over the data connection. It allows you to get the almanac data faster, but in no way does it actually affect the accuracy or function of the GPS. The data connection plays absolutly no part in determining your location.
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Codiusprime said:
Do not listen to this person as they do not understand what agps is or what it does.
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Do not assume that I don't know what it is or what it does....the argument is whether or not it works as planned you moron. I could totally tell you in one second the post your sucking up to is pretty much hijacked right out of Wikipedia. Don't transfer your stupidity to me. I had the crappiest of all GPS phones when I had my Captivate....I have spent more time reading about GPS then I would ever care too. I had a pretty reasonable experience with that phone after making some Pool changes and UNTICKING USE WIRELESS NETWORKS. sorry my loosely worded post was hard for you to understand....I will be clearer next time.
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Do not assume that I don't know what it is or what it does....the argument is whether or not it works as planned you moron. I could totally tell you in one second the post your sucking up to is pretty much hijacked right out of Wikipedia. Don't transfer your stupidity to me. I had the crappiest of all GPS phones when I had my Captivate....I have spent more time reading about GPS then I would ever care too. I had a pretty reasonable experience with that phone after making some Pool changes and UNTICKING USE WIRELESS NETWORKS. sorry my loosely worded post was hard for you to understand....I will be clearer next time.
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Sorry to inform you, but I didn't look at Wikipedia at all when I wrote that. Many years ago I worked for a company called "Spirent Communications" that created GPS testing equipment. That job required some pretty low level technical knowledge of how GPS works.

tylerdurdin said:
Do not assume that I don't know what it is or what it does....the argument is whether or not it works as planned you moron. I could totally tell you in one second the post your sucking up to is pretty much hijacked right out of Wikipedia. Don't transfer your stupidity to me. I had the crappiest of all GPS phones when I had my Captivate....I have spent more time reading about GPS then I would ever care too. I had a pretty reasonable experience with that phone after making some Pool changes and UNTICKING USE WIRELESS NETWORKS. sorry my loosely worded post was hard for you to understand....I will be clearer next time.
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booooooo.

Signal & GPS Reliability

All -
I'm hoping for a clear honest assessment of the reliability of the signal and GPS on the E4GT. I use CoPilot a TON for navigation and absolutely need the GPS to get a reasonably fast lock and be both fast (in terms of true-to-location while moving) and accurate. I also need the phone to not be dropping calls (I left AT&T for this very reason).
The reason for my post is simple - I've done a ton of reading threads both here and other sites and at this point am a bit worried that my planned purchase of the dreamy SII may have a few flaws. I've read post-after-post about signal loss issues as well as posts about very unreliable GPS qualities. But many of these posts appear to have been from the September-to-December timeframe and potentially were fixed or were older hardware versions.
SOoooo... I'm hoping a few of you real-life current owners can quell the fear - I so covet that gorgeous screen and dual-core processor. But the fact of the matter is that my Evo 4G gets near instantaneous GPS lock and pretty much never drops a call. I don't want to buy the E4GT and end up hating it for the 2 features I need most.
Thank you all in advance for your time -

I came from an evo as well and the call quality isn't an issue but the GPS is non existent on the phone. To be fair some time it locks with a few minutes some times it won't get a lock for 30 minutes even when I use GPS tool box to clear data and download the agps assistance. I'm in So Cal, in the high desert where we only have 2 story buildings and a pretty clear view of the sky.
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Rats... bad GPS is a deal-breaker for me Maybe you're alone and I'll get nothing but rave reviews, right? Right?

I use GPS 4 to 5 times a day. You just need to turn GPS on. Then reboot. It sometimes takes a few minutes but always locks and always gets me where I want to go. Miner glitch in otherwise perfect phone

best gps for getting to a known address
Never had a dropped call yet. Use the gps multiple times a day and takes 1-20s to lock on, usually if it takes longer than that then something is wrong with the address. One notable problem is when using Google Navigate to search for say a McDonalds,it might give an address only relatively close and you'll need to look up the real address manually and have it go to that one instead. Also remember all phones are build a little different too so result can be way different.

The turn on-reboot-wait method on the GPS is straight up a deal breaker for me. With my "OG" Evo, I turn on GPS, and by the time CoPilot is loaded (typically about 10 seconds) the GPS is locked and ready to rock. With a newer and significantly more expensive phone, I refuse to be taking steps backward. I so badly wanted this phone but I think I'll have to wait... Or try the 3D.
Again - thanks all for your input -

mybikegoes200 said:
I so badly wanted this phone but I think I'll have to wait... Or try the 3D.
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This is one of those areas that really has no definitive answer. Luckily my GPS seems to work fine with pretty instant lock (knock on wood). I've seen reports of others that can't get locks unless they stand on their heads and rub their bellys, lol.
The best advice I can give is to actually get the phone and try it... if it doesn't work you have 14 days to return it and go with another one.

I have only seen problems with my GPS using google maps but if i use telenav or just Nav which also came on my phone its comes up w/i 5-10 seconds. Signal is good but not bad, i had the EVO 3d which was horrible, moto photon was excellent but i would put this signal right in the middle of them at "OK". I havent dropped very many calls but i do travel in rural areas so i cant down grade the signal for dead spots from Sprint

I have never really experienced GPS issues... I have only had one time where it took it about a minute to lock and route address.

I'd say bite the bullet and go for it. Seems like many who don't get good GPS trade their phones in for another and then they get good GPS. Seems like a quality control issue with samsung and GPS. You could always trade yours in if it's no good.
For me, my GPS locks take a while, unless I use GPS Status first, which locks consistently in < 10 sec.

If you decide to take the plunge and your ET4G has crap GPS, have them exchange it. I have a YouTube video that shows my first copy (which was aweful) and my second copy that to this day is fantastic.
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I appreciate all the input. Maybe I've been spoiled by the GPS quality on the OG Evo - which pretty much never takes longer than 10 seconds to lock. I don't have to do any silly reboots or gps status or clearing this or that... I turn on GPS, click the link for CoPilot - and by the time CoPilot loads gps has a lock. I've talked to enough people both online and locally to have the heebie jeebies about the E4GT.
Soooo... Right or wrong, what I decided to do is buy an Evo 3D on Craigslist to try that and hopefully either wait for a consistently good report on E4GT or a different phone with a more reliable GPS. That way I can still upgrade via contract if and when that time comes.
Again I thank you all for your input -

I never had a problem with gps on the et4g. It works perfect. When I saw buddy got gps working on cm7 I couldn't believe it bc it never worked for me when I had the evo...
I believe this device had better gps quality..
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[Q] Google phone finder working with no GPS/SIM ??

Hi all,
long time lurker, first time poster. Back from the days of O2 Flame.
I've a HTC Desire HD thats been relegated to experimental status only.
The other day I had some flavour of Android 4.x running on it so I did an
experiment.
GPS was turned off, no sim card was in, it was configured to log into
Google Play or whatever automatically, location services were turned off
and I was inside my house so poor GPS, if any, reception and it was
connected to the Net via my Wifi/ADSL. I live in the boonies with only one
other Wifi nearby so crowd sourced wifi gps locations seems unlikely.
I went online to the Google phone finder or whatever it is called.
The service nailed my location within 5 or so seconds to
25 metres or so.
Can someone explain how it was to do this considering all the steps I
took to supposedly stop this from happening. I must admit I had quite
a few moments of Big Brother/1984 after this.
Many thanks.

If it might be able to scan for cell towers it could use that.
But i dont know if that'll be possible.

HanZie82 said:
If it might be able to scan for cell towers it could use that.
But i dont know if that'll be possible.
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Cool,
thanks for the reply HanZie82.
Was hoping for a bit more interest but at least I scored
some info.

Hmm.. I think it forces the GPS on without consent (my thoughts, no actual proof but just an idea) or it could USD cell/WiFi triangulation (again, not 100% sure but just an idea, although triangulation seems much more likely and viable)
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