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Does anyone have a problem with their wifi locking up their xda iis? I have bought a linksys router and am getting frequent lockups when using wifi. I am using the shipped O2 rom, thanks
I have no problem at all with Netgear router. Try changing the connection speed setting in the router to the "b" mode only. Hopefully this can solve your problem.
No problems here either I'm afraid. I'm using a Draytek Vigor 2600VG at home and at work there are two of us with XDA IIs using a Linksys BEFDSR41W wireless router and no problems there either.
Sorry! :-(
Try a hard reset (gulp!) and see if you still have problems (Without anything else installed that might be inteferring) otherwise might be a faulty unit perhaps.
--Neil
I second what xanth said, I had the problem where wifi would not turn on, so I hard reset and installed each software back individually the problem was Calligrapher 7.3 did not like being in Storage or Storage Card only in Main memory (go figure)
efjay said:
Does anyone have a problem with their wifi locking up their xda iis? I have bought a linksys router and am getting frequent lockups when using wifi. I am using the shipped O2 rom, thanks
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I use the XDA IIs on a variety of wireless networks and experience problems with an alarming regularity. The most annoying is the fact that the top bar seems to loose functionality, when using wireless!!
I will actually add that I do seem to have problem with the "range" of WiFi.
I need to do more testing, but it doesn't seem to be more than 20m or so before have communication issues/timing out :-( Will have to find out what our walls are made of!!!
I have problems connecting sometimes. I regularly use three routers, Draytek, Buffalo and Belkin. The only time that it locks up is when using skype. The skype problem is a known issue with no cure.
Nigel
I am having a problem where my Siemens SX66 will loose connection to my Microsoft MN700 wireless AP on occasion. -It simply appears as if the Wifi radio shuts itself off.
Weird.....
Wifi has never worked for me. It simply doesn't work in the way nature intended.
The main problem (as far as I can tell) seems to be that it cannot get DNS or IP configuration settings from my router (Belkin 7630) automatically.
It can connect to my wireless network without any hassle, but that's about it. If I enter DNS and IP settings manually it works fine. But this is unworkable if you want to connect to another wireless network.
If I can't sort this out by next week I'm going to sell the unit on eBay. It's been nothing but a pain since I mistakenly bought it in December.
Wifi is a nightmare on this device! I'm going back to Nokia.
I am going to do a hard reset and test to see if i still get any freezes. Anyone know of any software i can use to backup my text messages?
WiFi
Hi guys,
Haven't had too many issues with WiFi over here - standard O2 Asia ROM (with the BT 3500 update).
I'm running a Netgear WG602 @ home with 64bit WEP and a Dlink AP2100 @ work with WPA-PSK. No connectivity problems at either location, both DHCP. It does however take a few minutes to connect, but this is on the odd occasion.
The only frustrating thing with the WiFi is that I have to soft-reset often to turn Wi-Fi on - any ideas? Hopefully O2 will fix this in the next ROM. Other than that, I've had the Nokia 9500, P900/800 and this is by far the best device for the power user.
Just me 2c!
Cheers
cK
Wifi is on all the time on my device, sometimes when I switch the device on while within range of an AP it does not connect. Often switching wifi off and then onn again causes it to connect. If this does not work then I can often go into the network dialogue section, and see the network marked as 'availble' but not connected (why it sometimes does not auto connect I dont know). Tapping connect usually cures. If that does not work then I too need to soft reset.
I hope like you that they fix this cause its damned anoying. I will be interested to see what the Benq P50 is like when its released. I shall get one from expansys to test and ship it back within the 7 days.
Nigel
As for those having problems with specific access points. It is not nessesarily the fault of the blue angel. It seems to me that none of the manufacturers of wireless kit understand the term 'standard' they all seem to have their own take on it, which is why kit from different manufacturers refuses to talk to each other. I am of the opinion that they do it in purpose to lock you into using their client cards with their AP's !!
Try it with some non Belkin kit and see what happens.
Nigel
Well i tried a hard reset and didnt install any apps and tried connecting to wifi again and still got a lockup and loss of connectivity. Im going to swap the router for another make and see what happens
Swapped my linksys router for a D-Link and so far no problems after 2 days. so looks like my problem was my router.
Swapped my linksys router for a D-Link and so far no problems after 2 days. so looks like my problem was my router.
XDA IIi and wifi
I just bought one of these and can't get it connected. I have a netgear wg602 access point. When I finally figured out how to set the IP manually (the 02 xda tech support said it can't be done - maybe they're right ;-)
I now have it saying it's connected, with right IP address. My DNS and gateway are set up for the wireless adapter in network adapters. The signal is average. The XDA says wifi is connected. The access point even says it's authenticated and associated - same as my other stations.
Only problem is, internet explorer doesn't find any web pages - says "The page you are looking for cannot be found" (works fine through GPRS)
Also, terminal services times out trying to connect to an internal IP address (to eliminate DNS as a problem)
So, anyone know how I troubleshoot network problems - it looks like a TCP/IP issue? Can't find ping or arp etc. I've also tried an IP address that I know works on the network.
thanks for any help
Dave
Hi
For ping, ipconfig and stuff, head to http://www.cam.com/windowsce.html
I have had multiple issues trying to get wifi working reliably. It still fails now, but there are a few tricks to get it working again. Most of my wifi issues have been due to regular use of three AP's [email protected] and [email protected] along with GPRS and VPN.
To start with I suggest setting all the ****e in connections (internet and home network to 'My ISP' then goto your wifi setup, network adapters, and tell it that the wireless card connects to the internet. Now, tap ok, and goto tools, network cards, tap the active connection (it must already be connected) and ensure that its set to internet.
Next soft reset the thing, and wait for it to connect to yr wifi. Now, use the ipconfig tool and ping tool from the above site to check that all is OK. Check that its got the default gateway right and a sensible LAN IP.
I have found on occasion that I can be connected via wifi, but that the device is still trying to talk using an old IP allocated by gprs which means nothing to my lan! IPconfig will show if all is OK.
Whoever wrote the whole of the networking system (and its terrible gui's) on windows mobile wants shooting. I usually have 2 VPN profiles setup under my work network. If I leave it set to that, and use wifi from my lan to connect to the internet all is fine. However if I try and access a local server, the damned thing starts trying to connect a vpn (it aint inteligent enough to work out that the IP I asked it to connect to is local).
I have been trying to find a setting for all this networking rubbish that allows me to do *everything* without reconfiguring each time - to no avail.
Another thing to note is that you cant send/receive MMS messages while wifi is connected (more stupidity), it tries to connect to the MMS server using the wifi connection, and the telco blocks it cause it wants to charge you for sending MMS over GPRS. Only solution is to disconnect wifi, send MMS then reconnect wifi!!!
Nigel
No problems with WiFi for me
Hmm I'm using an O2 Asia Rom as well.. and my wifi manager seems to automatically create "settings" for each AP it detects and I seem to have no problems connecting at all... been using WiFi around my house since the first day i got it..
i am using a Linksys Wireless 802.11b router..
btw I am new here.. finally able to register!
How's everybody doing?
Cannot turn off IEEE 802.1x
Has anyone had problems unchecking the 'IEEE 802.1x netwrok access control' checkbox???
I uncheck it, but then when I go back to the screen (click on the connection | then select 802.1x tab at the bottom) it has checked itself again!
The XDA IIs does not save the setting - it just keeps re checking itself 02 help have been no use - they sent me an instruction manual and it even says in one of the step 'uncheck IEEE check box'
Im am using a netgear wirelesss router and have also tried on a d-link
Sugestions - is anyone else having this problem??
Guys,
This WiFi problem affects 3 guys in my office, each with different PC's (IBM vs HP) and WM devices (Hermes vs TyTn) and network routers (LinkSys vs others).
It's taken MONTHS to figure out what's going on, but here it is:
- On a non-secured WiFi network, PPC devices can connect to WiFi, their companion PC's connect to WiFi, and activesync works fine between the PPC and PC in every way one could want.
- HOWEVER, on WPA WiFi networks, any PC that has had a PPC device connected to it at any time since the last PC reboot does the following: Network is found and is immediately (5-30 seconds) closed down such that no PC in the office can connect for a few mins, then cycle repeats. ie WPA network is crippled for use by any and all PC's, let alone PPC's. Note that it's the PC's crippling the network, PPC's are all turned off at this stage of the game.
- Provided PPC and PC are not USB activesync'd since last PC reboot, all devices access WPA WiFi network perfectly; the PC's and the PPC's
- A side symptom: PC's list of networks ("View Wireless Networks") will show that you are not connected when you are, and connected when you are not. ie connection status gets inverted.
Clean rebooted PC' all work fine, until someone does a USB activesync and then their PC is screwed and HAS to be rebooted. If they don't reboot, they can go home and their home WPA network will immedaitely collapse as they turn on their PC. Once a PPC has been USB'd to the PC, that PC is screwed no matter where the PPC is, and no matter whether the PPC has wifi turned on or not. We see this when guys come from home (non-secured network) and turn on PC at work, the work WiFi collapses, even tho no PPC is trying to access the network at all.
Once again, different PC's, different PPC's, different WM5/6 PPC ROM's (TyTn WM6 Black, JasJar WM5 AKU 3.5). ALL FAIL ALL THE TIME on a WPA network. We even changed the office router - no better. Besides, we all have different ADSL routers at home.
There are many other Hermes posts where I can see the user is having EXACTLY the same issue, but haven't yet gotten the insight I have from playing with so many devices on so many networks. ie I am not alone...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1201280&postcount=12
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1202911&postcount=16
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1204410&postcount=22
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1204410&postcount=23
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1204410&postcount=26
...
I've been working on this for months and only now fully understand the issue such that I can avoid it (unsecured networks at home, rebooted PC's after Activesync). Any help would be MUCH appreciated.
Well.. there have been a few (although not extortionate amount) of complaints that users using X50v's have problems with wifi (similar to that of the ones experienced with WM6A01).
Here's a list of things that seem to be going wrong:
Only on WPA-PSK networks.
Resetting doesn't work
(on WM6A01 Odyssey didn't seem to solve the issue with me)
Seems to continually connect or connect for a second then disconnect. sometimes will stop after a while,sometimes will carry on (presumably forever)
Possible things causing it
Small HW problem with a particular batch of X50v's
Driver issues (doubtfull)
Incorrect registery settings
Router problems [Omitted]
Application problems
Things You should post:
What version of WM you're using
What Hardware revision you are on (found under the battery cover, next to the service code)
What brand your router is
What make your router is (yes, these can differ)
What Wifi security your on
Whether you're broadcasting your SSID
Whether you're using a static or dynamic/server assigned IP
Here are mine:
Currently WM6A02 HWA01
Sky brand router
Netgear make
WPA-PSK Security
Yes broadcasting SSID
Server assigned IP
well, for me everything wireless works. (the only problem, i have, is that my pda keeps hanging, when syncing in cradle using wmdc 6.1 at vista x64) i can connect to any unsecured/open network in my town, as well to my private (wpa-secured) home-wlan. (B/G-mix), i set my pda to 'receive ip' (except for VPN), i' using a fritzbox wlan (AVM). so far i have no problems with wireless, and it seems even faster, as with wm5!)
Okay..
I'm having exactly the same issues as Obsidiandesire...
WIFI keeps connecting and disconnecting every second in an infinite loop... This only happens if I use WPA encryption. Else everything works fine (WEP or no encryption at all). With WM2003SE all was perfect.
My PDA: Axim x50v with WM6 A02 RTM 0PP Zeus_Alex edition
My PDA: Axim Hardware revision is A01
My Router: D-Link G-624T with firmware V3.10B01T02.EU-A.20070924
My WIFI Security: WPA PSK with a 12 char password
My SSID: Yes, broadcasting...
My DHCP : No... Static IP Configuration...
Cheers from Italy
Antineutrino said:
Okay..
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My PDA :Axim x50v with WM6 A02 RTM 0PP Zeus_Alex edition
My PDA: Axim Hardware revision is A01
My Router: Dlink G-624T with firmware V3.10B01T02.EU-A.20070924
My WIFI Security: WPA PSK with a 12 char password
My SSID: Yes, broadcasting...
My DHCP : No... Static IP Configuration...
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So we know this is probably not limited to UK users
I'm using a Netgear router so it's not that.
and 0PP doesn't solve it so that's another idea scrapped
and it's not to do with the password as Mine is 8 char
EDIT: Random question that's too specific to search for, how do you find out your HW revision?
Open the back plate and remove the battery... I found it on the sticker where is the service number..
Thanks, updated post with that information. Mine must have been on the first batch as it had WM2003A01 installed when I got it!!!
Forgot to mention that I already tried the x51v WM6 A03 "vagus" fix for WI-FI, but no luck
I didn't even bother and now i think there is no point trying.
OOT:
Antineutrino, where you by any chance born in CERN in Switzerland at the LHC?
Obsidiandesire said:
I didn't even bother and now i think there is no point trying.
OOT:
Antineutrino, where you by any chance born in CERN in Switzerland at the LHC?
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(^_^)
Oh Yes...
...During a nuclear beta decay....
I try to connect with my router, AZtech, using this setting:
WEP enc.128 but, open,
but the network name not shown in list unless I use dell wifi utility
and I can't connect use these setting:
non secure, wpa, wep
update,
I don't see any list of network available on network list, unless I use dell wifi utility. and I can't connect to my router use these settings: none, wpa, wep. I setting open for authentificaton
oh yeah, I forgot to mention, I use WM06 a02, issued by Maglite.
same here
same here I am experiencing the exact same probs, vagus's fix didnt help me
so, I like to use wm 2006, it faster than before.but I dont like what the problem come, like wifi bug
my works ok, have the same problem that when i turn on wifi it will turn on but no access points or it does not connect if its there.
my fix is just to turn on wifi and turn off device and then turn it back again. its been working on different routers but thats not the cause of the problem.
Thanks to Vagus we pointed out the problem...
It seems that the missing Odyssey drivers in the MagLite Rom for x50v could be the key to solve it... He told that we are missing a file called OdysseyIMCE.dll that is the driver of the Odyssey client...
I Tryed re-adding it dumped from WM2003SE together with a lot of registry keys present in the x51v WM6 ROM... But no luck ! I messed up the whole thing... Anyway I'm quite sure that this is the right way so I'll continue to experiment
Cheers
I'm NOT convinced that it's Maglite's WM6 A02 ROM, I have had this problem with my X50v using WM2003SE, WM5 & Now WM6. My router is a Netgear DG834GT, other routers seem to work all ok, I suspect it might be a WPA-PSK / Router Firmware / Auto switching b,g Issue?
binmm said:
I'm NOT convinced that it's Maglite's WM6 A02 ROM, I have had this problem with my X50v using WM2003SE, WM5 & Now WM6. My router is a Netgear DG834GT, other routers seem to work all ok, I suspect it might be a WPA-PSK / Router Firmware / Auto switching b,g Issue?
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I have a D-Link G624T and with WM2003SE all was perfect with WPA...
Now, after WM6 upgrade, infinite loop connecting and disconnecting
I figured it out
X50V WM6 A02 RTM 0-PP
x50v hardwre A08
Linksys WRT54G-v4 (home network w/ 2 PCs & x50v)
WEP-64bit security
Broadcasting SSID
Auto DHCP
I had easily connected wi-fi on WM2003SE, WM5 A02, & WM5 A03 without configuring my router. Yesterday I flashed to WM6 and could not connect. Finally I reset the router, and started from scratch.
After much nashing of teeth, connecting was easy.
It all came down to terminology! First I set up the router with no security - and the x50v connected easily (albeit PIE takes awhile to find the home page). Then I set up security. I tried many, many configs to connect, but I kept entering the "pass phrase" to no avail. Then it dawned on me, the x50v was asking for a "key" not a pass phrase. So I entered the "default transmit," 10-digit, hexidecimal key that my router had generated from the pass phrase I had entered -- lo and behold, I was connected.
So easy!! (many hours later)
Hope this info helps someone.
Chas
ps: I did remove the x50v's battery between each connection attempt. Router instructions said to restart the desktop PC after configuration changes, so I figured that instruction applied to the PDA as well.
cmagdanz said:
X50V WM6 A02 RTM 0-PP
x50v hardwre A08
Linksys WRT54G-v4 (home network w/ 2 PCs & x50v)
WEP-64bit security
Broadcasting SSID
Auto DHCP
I had easily connected wi-fi on WM2003SE, WM5 A02, & WM5 A03 without configuring my router. Yesterday I flashed to WM6 and could not connect. Finally I reset the router, and started from scratch.
After much nashing of teeth, connecting was easy.
It all came down to terminology! First I set up the router with no security - and the x50v connected easily (albeit PIE takes awhile to find the home page). Then I set up security. I tried many, many configs to connect, but I kept entering the "pass phrase" to no avail. Then it dawned on me, the x50v was asking for a "key" not a pass phrase. So I entered the "default transmit," 10-digit, hexidecimal key that my router had generated from the pass phrase I had entered -- lo and behold, I was connected.
So easy!! (many hours later)
Hope this info helps someone.
Chas
ps: I did remove the x50v's battery between each connection attempt. Router instructions said to restart the desktop PC after configuration changes, so I figured that instruction applied to the PDA as well.
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That was really funny!! And a bit silly (sorry). Took you so many hours to see the diference between key and passphrase!!
I would have been embarrased to put it here.... Anyway maybe others are making the same silly mistake..You never know!!
Please sorry again. But I couldn't stop laughing.
Even funnier is when you mention you took the battery out!! when all you have to do is a reset...if required!!
@ all,
it might sound a bit surprising, but I dont get my new artemis ( i now own one with wifi !, my hero didnt!),
working with the wireless of my belkin n1 router!
everytime i enter the mac adress into the router, wlan stops alltogether! ( do i need to enter the mac adress?)
entering the normal wpa-psk passwords into wm6.1 vanilla or b&b5, the connection constantly changes between available, but not connecting, and unavailable... even when sitting right next to the router!
any ideas?
help highly appreciated!
greetz
thormdac
news:
got it working for now-- changed wlan channel in rpouter to channel11, which is preset in wm6.1!
is that how its done?
Update:
most of the times the router just kills the wlan function all in all once i try to connect with the artemis!
Need to reboot router to get it running again!
Where am i going wrong?
p.s. no, i aint a novice
I've got the same roblem mate. Not got a clue what to do ?
Had the same issue with a Belkin N router yesterday. Solution I dumped it went down to Maplins and got a Netgear. Plugin and I was away.
Had flashed the rom serveral times (Win 5, 6, 6.1 some of the cooked roms) nothing worked was thinking it was a hardware failure.
Dont' appear to matter how you set the belkin nothing works.
Thou oddly my Exec connects with it just fine.
Azriaphale said:
Solution I dumped it ...
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Gee, that would for sure make me one unhappy pal!
Anybody around here has another idea!
Possibly some tips on "Must does" ! for connecting via wifi with artemis! Whats with the mac address-thing?!!!
Greetz
To be honest, I've looked at dozens of sites searching for a solution to this issue. Everything from flashing the ROM (Device and router), enter MAC on the router, set a IP address, changing channels, security settings and nothing appear to work with the Belkin N family.
My experience with Belkin has not been good (Tech support has always been first class).
The first router (Cheap 54g) would run for 2 hours then lockup, requiring a reset of both the router and cable modem). Replaced by Belkin after several days talking to tech support.
The second router (Same 54g unit, different Version number) Ran fine until you moved data about, anything downloading above 150k locked the router. Wired connections could do 300k then lock up. Replaced by Belkin.
The third unit (Upgraded to a 2 stick version for free) DOA. Replaced by Belkin
The forth unit (Same 2 stick version) worked data transfers good but would not allow wifi connections other than WEP 64. Firmware update would then WEP 128. Replaced by Belkin.
The Fifth unit (Same 2 stick version, different version) Wifi worked with all settings. However with wifi on all wired connections ran like a 56k modem. Replaced by Belkin.
The sixth unit (Upgraded to the N) Worked fine. Wired connections fine, wifi was a bit hit or miss, two Toshiba laptops connected fine, the Dell laptop never connected. Belkins own N usb dongle also never connected.
My Orbit never connected to any of the Belkins, the Exec did with some and others not.
This issue is not limited to Belkin, if you look about, other makers routers also appear to have this issue.
The cheap Netgear (£35) works just fine for me. Took 5 minutes to setup. Everything in the house connects. I`m happy after 7 months of Belkin issues.
uiuiui,
what a story!
just so we dont get us wrong here: had my n1 now for about 6months, and its running just fine with all my notebooks! - just since trying to connect with my artemis i am running into probs!
A theory of this mornings trials:
any way of changing the preconfigured broadcast channel 11 within the artemis? --- seems to me the channelchanging is causing the hangups!
will try setting the router to channel 11 and see what happens!
greetz
Ive set channel to 6 in the N router, the Art/Orbit will find it and go though the motions of connecting and make it unavailable (our problem with N routers). The Network setting will show its on ch6 (if you can there before it becomes unavailable). Then goes to ch11.
I think the Art/Orbit just runs in sequence though the channels, if it gets a lock it uses that channel. If not it moves on, I think we just see ch11 because its the last ch available in the scan.
Have just played with the Netgear channels and the Art/Orbit connects with every channel, the Network setting page shows the correct channel that the routers broadcasting.
So it don't appear that the channel is hard coded to the Art/Orbit.
Ok stumbled across this thread a little too late. Our Linksys wrt54g was not able to handle the kind of data we were transferring and moved to a Belkin_N1 router, I have an HTC Wizard but same symptoms, if I try to connect to Belkin I can not connect to anything WIFI before a soft-reset, I get prompted for key fine once and during connection something messes up the wifi radio, I am not sure if its a software or hardware issue but got the same issue with an SMC router, while my D-Link at home is working fine. I wasted so much time flashing ROMs and what not. Thanks for everyone who has put info here, somebody can read here and save the pain of hitting the wall with frustration.
Hi,
I'm using WiFi at home, hosted by a Linksys WRT54GL router running OpenWrt and secured with WPA2/WPA-PSK. Once in a while, the WiFi connection to my Rhodium gets disconnect (phone issue, wifi on my notebook is stable). After this disconnect, I go to the notification list, and theres a notification telling my that theres a new network found, but to connect to the network, I need to enter the WPA password everytime. Only way avoiding to reenter the password is rebooting the device; then it automaticly connects to my network again.
Anyone having similar problems or even know a fix?
Thanks in advance,
Christoph
same...
I got the same problem, and i got the same router as you with WPA2... It's really anoying. Is it a settings issue on the phone or what?
Wifi Issues with Smartphones / PDA WEP and WPA
I've been a windows mobile / smartphone user for about 4 years now. I started off with a xw6700 from verizon, then a Tilt from ATT, and now testing a Touch Pro 2 from t-mobile not sure if I'm keeping it. With each device I've had the same issues. I will explain below what I've found and what I've done to make it as painless as possible with WIFI and my PDA devices.
I currently run 2 WIFI networks due to this issue. I use roadrunner so I was able to about 10 years ago get a multiple IP package, which they no longer offer. I have 4 IP addresses 3 of which I use for my computers/1 wifi network and another I use for a wifi network just for PDAs/phones.
If i use a PDA with WIFI enabled on the network my computers are on using WEP after a few times of connecting/disconnecting PDAs and trying to reconnect I get a problem where the device wont take my WEP key over and over again. I have to reboot the WIFI router, and then the device will connect successfully. This is very annoying since any device I try to add to the wireless will not connect as well. This problem is due to the PDA, now I've tried mulitple routers DLINK, NETGEAR, LINKSYS, AIRLINK, they all do the same.
Now with my 2nd network I use WPA. WPA seems to be more friendly when it comes to disconnecting and reconnecting PDAs. I can use my PDA's on this network connecting and reconnecting for a few weeks before the WIFI router requires a reboot because it will no longer take the WPA password. Again I am not sure why this happens, and I am not sure why it affects WM5, WM6, WM6.1. Not sure if its the hardware of the device or the software, but it seems to happen no matter what WM device I have.
My iphone will disconnect and reconnect to either of my networks without any problem. Unless the PDA screws up the wifi on either network, then the iphone will never authenticate and connect to the network. Seems these WM devices no matter what hardware are really good at screwing up WIFI networks.
Now my findings are every time you put the phone to sleep/off the wifi turns off, it could possibly be the cause for the above, this pisses me off. There was one forum a while back I found someone saying WPA is more stable. I know the iphone does the same (turns off wifi when in standby/sleep), but doesn't affect the router the same as WM devices. If anyone would like to say otherwise then they are wrong/lying to you. I guarantee if they turn off and on their WM device to say check an IM or a TXT and turn it back on a few times they will experience the same problems above, which it seems everyone experiences but no one has answers.
I wish there would be a professional from HTC or HP or anyother PDA maker who will just come out and say they screwed up and didn't want to fix it.