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Is it network, WM6, or the unit problem?

The problem is one of the most annoying ones you can have: it appears only from time to time and you don't know when and even when it does you don't notice.
Simply my phone is not accessible for others even it shows full range and so on. The message "...the phone is switched off...". This problem occurs in as far as I remember 3 releases of ROMS (full, vanillas, etc). The radio ROM was also changed. I don't remember having such issue in early WM6 or in original 2005.
Since it's not related directly to any of the releases I post it as a new thread.
Now I have 3 options:
1. Downgrade to 2005
2. Throw the unit through the window, wait until end of contract and buy an iPhone
3. Try to fight with T-Mobile UK - which is not really an option since I just recovered from fighting with Orange for over a month
Does any of you experienced such problem?
Any known issues with downgrading to 2005 like ISPL required before flashing original ROM?
Any suggestions?

Adigital said:
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Any known issues with downgrading to 2005 like ISPL required before flashing original ROM?
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Well, I got the answer - couldn't wait and did the downgrade using original ROM. If anyone interested it went without problems. No ISPL needed. Connected, fired-up the exe file and worked OK.
I'll see how about the availability problem.

Ok, seems that it's only me having the conversation ;o)
I apologize for the thread location - it doesn't seem to be related strictly to WM6 anymore as I...
...installed WM5 and did some tests:
(I have voice mail switched off)
- Call waiting enabled = no calls allowed when GPRS active
- Call waiting disabled = no calls when transferring data (large file) but received when no transfer
- Used W660i SonyEricsson handset - could receive calls regardless of GPRS activity
Rang T-Mobile tech support where they told me that this is network feature that when internet connection is active no calls are allowed and since my voicemail is turned off all callers get message that my phone is switched off. In the light of GPRS specification and my tests this is a bull****.
Now I'm asking anyone on UK T-Mobile Web'n'Walk and who wants to help - please do such test. Just try to call your number from different phone when opening a web-page.
This is pretty important to me - I need internet on the move and don't want to get rid of my MDA.
Thanks in advance!

Hi there,
I'm on T-Mobile UK too and I ran some tests myself and found that you are absolutely correct. When you transfer data you cannot receive phone calls.
I've got an O2 device with me I can do some more tests on and I'll also try and borrow my Wife's Samsung and test that too. I'll post my findings here.
Cheers
Alex

ok, i've just tested this on an O2 3G device and there was no problem, next to try a none windows mobile t-mobile phone.

seems this problem has been around for while and on other networks.
http://www.freenfo.net/mobile/archive/index-t-64022.html

ok, final test and conclusion.
I tested the same o2 phone as above but in a NON 3g area (i.e. gprs only) and found the exact same issue.
conclusion: this seems to affect all types of phone and multiple networks but only when using gprs NOT 3g.
I'm suprised we havent heard more about this problem.
cheers
Alex

Thank you Alex very much for your help.
I did some research on the topic last night and found the same info as guys in the thread your linked. It must be that T-Mobile UK operates in NOM-2, which allows to suspend GPRS session only when no data is transferred. When packets are transmitted the device doesn't 'see' incoming calls as it's 'busy' with dealing with the packets. NOM-1 is 'able' to encapsulate information about incoming call into one of the packets and the device is notified about - so it can react, suspend the transmission and pick up the call.
The fact is that our MDA/Artemis uses Class B of GPRS which doesn't allow simultaneous CDA/GPRS at the same time. Even if it can suspend active data transfer it is the network that has to support that feature.
What I must notice is that I had lot more problems wiht this when I was using WM6. It seems that there were some packets transmitted by the system or something. I had my mail set to check servers every 15 mins at the beginning but lately ony once an hour or two. Other soft that could transmit anything was Weather module from SPB or Touch. Now when I'm on WM5 and was checking the issue during loading a page I was unavailable but as soon as a page was completely loaded my phone was accessible back.
My surprise is that if the 'issue' seems to be quite normal and there is nothing to do about it why I couldn't find any info about it here. Doesn't it affect anyone of our community?
I may be wrong with the WM6 expirience but still. If WM6 works fine in that respect it must have happened that someone missed a call when browsing the net.

i hadnt noticed to be honest

mugglesquop said:
i hadnt noticed to be honest
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Did you try ringing your phone when it was loading a long page or downloading a file?

TBH I think I've noticed it just as much on WM6 as I did (or didn't) on WM5, I think I put these odd voice mails turning up down to weird WM issues! Now I know the truth though.
Obv. there isn't a lot we can do about this and I'm not prepared to turn off my Windows Live Mail or my direct push. I think we just have to wait until our contracts are up for renewal and get over to a 3G device - I'm liking the look of the Touch Cruise myself, or the Touch Dual if I want that keyboard back and by the time my contract is up I think they should be on T-Mob UK.

does the same thing happen in Edge areas or as that rolls out will the problem disappear?

I'm not sure about how EDGE works but the problem affects GPRS rather than 3G due to the fact that GPRS and the incoming call are submitted alongside each other and 3G is seperate. I don't think t-mob uk have edge running yet so I can't test, perhpas some else can test for us.

Bro.. My first 3rd party ROM is the Touch 3.0.. and yes.. my connnection did go off once a while (no bars as well).. that was kinda irritating. I have to go to connection manager and toggle my data connection or something like that, before my phone will get the GSM signal.
And yea.. the original WM5 and WM6 have no such issues.. I wonder if this is because of the new radio version..

Telus Vogue Update finally here!

So Aaron McCarthy discovered a new Vogue rom for Telus users (I REPEAT: TELUS ONLY!!!). It was at one of the known IP addresses which HTC has used. It was accidentally leaked or opened for a tester, I suppose. It's also seemingly no longer available... I get "Directory Listing Denied" when I follow the link now. So, of course I've uploaded my copy to rapidshare. Back up any important files on your phone and then enjoy:
http://rapidshare.com/files/1282900...4350H_3.41.00_Ship_withPPSTPatch1.20.exe.html
It'll be easy to install, just run the EXE on your windows XP/Vista computer, connect your vogue with Activesync or Windows Mobile Device Center when the program prompts you to do so, and follow the on-screen instructions. It took me approximately 15 minutes to do this. Add five for letting the phone customize itself.
I also did some messing with it to get everything working. It does not fully function out of box (which is probably why it's not actually released yet).
For me, the steps that got the GPS and Internet to work:
-Dial *22803 , 1 (for English), 1 (program your handset). Wait for reset.
-Install Google Maps and a registry editor.
-Search for a registry key called GPSMODE and change it's dword value from 2 to 4. This may not be necessary, but it worked for me.
<EDIT>Registry change is definitely not necessary, I've tried it both ways with no different effect. What this setting does might be explained better in the next post.</EDIT>
-Soft reset.
-Run Google Maps and any other freeware, no problem.
I'm certain that some GPS programs will require initialization/tweaks, and I'd bet that most of those have already been examined elsewhere in this forum. Anyway the GPS is seemingly solid and accurate. I placed it next to a handheld garmin unit and speed, lattitude,longitude were matched on both devices over a half-hour trip. It will certainly NOT work indoors.
As for Rev.A, I honestly cannot tell you anything about it. I'm in a CDMA only area for the next 3 weeks.
Thanks again to Aaron McCarthy for discovering the Rom and letting us know so that I could copy it before we got locked out. Here's the thread he started : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2385096

by setting GPSMode to 4 you disable the GPS. Not the best idea....
GPSMode 1 = ONLY pure GPS
GPSMode 2 = GPS + aGPS
GPSMode 4 = aGPS only

Got it installed without any issues. However Google maps and the Telus Navigator programs don't seem to be able to find the GPS... Well, to be more precise, googlemaps doesn't give an error. It just sits there seeking satellites. The Telus NAV doesn't get past the startup screen. Any suggestions?
WM6.1 is working fine on my phone but is it possible that I actually don't have the built in GPS even though it is a Telus HTC Touch?

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=31437

guardianfox said:
So Aaron McCarthy discovered a new Vogue rom for Telus users (I REPEAT: TELUS ONLY!!!). It was at one of the known IP addresses which HTC has used. It was accidentally leaked or opened for a tester, I suppose. It's also seemingly no longer available... I get "Directory Listing Denied" when I follow the link now. So, of course I've uploaded my copy to rapidshare. Back up any important files on your phone and then enjoy:
http://rapidshare.com/files/1282900...4350H_3.41.00_Ship_withPPSTPatch1.20.exe.html
It'll be easy to install, just run the EXE on your windows XP/Vista computer, connect your vogue with Activesync or Windows Mobile Device Center when the program prompts you to do so, and follow the on-screen instructions. It took me approximately 15 minutes to do this. Add five for letting the phone customize itself.
I also did some messing with it to get everything working. It does not fully function out of box (which is probably why it's not actually released yet).
For me, the steps that got the GPS and Internet to work:
-Dial *22803 , 1 (for English), 1 (program your handset). Wait for reset.
-Install Google Maps and a registry editor.
-Search for a registry key called GPSMODE and change it's dword value from 2 to 4. This may not be necessary, but it worked for me.
<EDIT>Registry change is definitely not necessary, I've tried it both ways with no different effect. What this setting does might be explained better in the next post.</EDIT>
-Soft reset.
-Run Google Maps and any other freeware, no problem.
I'm certain that some GPS programs will require initialization/tweaks, and I'd bet that most of those have already been examined elsewhere in this forum. Anyway the GPS is seemingly solid and accurate. I placed it next to a handheld garmin unit and speed, lattitude,longitude were matched on both devices over a half-hour trip. It will certainly NOT work indoors.
As for Rev.A, I honestly cannot tell you anything about it. I'm in a CDMA only area for the next 3 weeks.
Thanks again to Aaron McCarthy for discovering the Rom and letting us know so that I could copy it before we got locked out. Here's the thread he started : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2385096
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will this work on a non gps telus touch?

foxatphoenixlabs said:
will this work on a non gps telus touch?
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It has been known since a while that all Vogues phones (or CDMA Touch) have the GPS hardware built in. It is just not activated by Telus yet.
This new ROM should be released officially by Telus soon in order to let users have GPS and better performance.

uggh canadians
uggh canadians they actually have cell phones
in canuckville
instead of "can"ada it should be
cant be n.e. duh ber
smiles guys just a joke i got jokes.cum

Rev A
Has anyone else tested to see if Rev A gives better performance?
Also, does this ROM improve Bluetooth and device overall performance?
Dave

its there
the place holder is up.. we can expect the official, offical release soon
http://www.htc.com/us/FAQ_Detail.aspx?p_id=80&act=sd

Thanks for this ROM. Can't be more easy to upgrade a ROM.
GPS is working fine. It took several try and a very clear sky (no tree) to make first connexion. It was so slow to connect that I suspect AGPS (cellular tower triangulation assist) is not working.
At 3 bars of reception, in EVDO REV A zone, I get a DL speed of 150 to 400kb/s which is pretty lame and just a bit better than before rev A.

One problem:
When clicking on status icons on the top bar (volume, battery, etc.), it used to display the control directly. Now it displays an intermediate screen repeating those icons but in a larger mode. It is buggy because it doesn't display message icons if I previously clicked Dismiss. Then I can't go to my messages.
In Start, Settings, System, TouchFLO, there is no setting to remove this screen.
I tried HKLM->Software->HTC->EnlargeTitleBar->Enable=0 without success.
Is it something that comes with WM6.1?
Is it Telus ROM specific?
Do Sprint official ROM got the same problem?
Any reg to remove this?

That is too funny
513fabe said:
uggh canadians they actually have cell phones
in canuckville
instead of "can"ada it should be
cant be n.e. duh ber
smiles guys just a joke i got jokes.cum
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Must be a red neck.
Must be Prez Bush's aide.
Must be unemployed, his job went overseas.
Alll,,just a joke....then don't post stupid jokes red neck.

If you go here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406320&page=2 and go to post #14 you can see the guide to improving GPS locks on the telus rom. I mean DRASTICALLY. From initally loading the rom I went from getting 4-5 locks maybe after a few minutes on a cold GPS start then once I changed all the settings and did a soft reset I was getting 6 to 7 satellite locks down in my basement. Pretty impressive
It's not as complicated as it seems to be in the post I made. Pretty straight forward actually and I would recommend it to anyone who wants better GPS reception
In regards to Rev A speeds. I'm in London ontario so would think there would be rev A in the area but I dont get any better download speeds. I still download around 600-800 kbps. Which is really good enough for me. I dont know if rev A actually was supposed to increase your download speed or if it improved upload speeds making Voip easier and allowing you to have data and phone stuff going on at the same time. All I know is my internet speed didnt change but Rev A was enabled.

Aaron McCarthy said:
If you go here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406320&page=2 and go to post #14 you can see the guide to improving GPS locks on the telus rom. I mean DRASTICALLY. From initally loading the rom I went from getting 4-5 locks maybe after a few minutes on a cold GPS start then once I changed all the settings and did a soft reset I was getting 6 to 7 satellite locks down in my basement. Pretty impressive
It's not as complicated as it seems to be in the post I made. Pretty straight forward actually and I would recommend it to anyone who wants better GPS reception
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Every time, before using this, an already established data connexion is needed BEFORE looking for GPS satellite. The GPS will not establish the connection if it's not there. A simple solution is to open Google map and move the map up to a download is required BEFORE making the GPS satellite connexion.

513fabe said:
uggh canadians they actually have cell phones
in canuckville
instead of "can"ada it should be
cant be n.e. duh ber
smiles guys just a joke i got jokes.cum
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yes i am in canada and now my internet doesnt work. poop.

redNeck
sailor_dude said:
Must be a red neck.
Must be Prez Bush's aide.
Must be unemployed, his job went overseas.
Alll,,just a joke....then don't post stupid jokes red neck.
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thats why i wear my hair
long...to cover my redneck*(~
....................canada has a navy? is it kept together with maple syrup?

For as small as our arms forces are (navy, Army, airforce) we actually have some of the best trained soldiers the world and some of the best equipped. Little known fact No that it has anything to do with the phone!

Looks like the official Telus rom is on HTC's site now.

Yep - and it appears to be identical to the one referenced in this thread from 3 weeks ago. That's kind of a disappointment considering how much trouble the tech-naive user is going to have getting the gps to work and getting their data connection back after flashing.

Shrink said:
Yep - and it appears to be identical to the one referenced in this thread from 3 weeks ago. That's kind of a disappointment considering how much trouble the tech-naive user is going to have getting the gps to work and getting their data connection back after flashing.
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Very lame.
Exact same files and version. http://www.htc.com/us/FAQ_Detail.aspx?p_id=80&act=sd
2 weeks ago I sent a support ticket to HTC stating that the GPS fix is difficult to get, mainly because all GPS assisted features (aGPS) are disabled by default in the radio (can't be fixed by a simple registry tweak). I even pointed them to one solution of many (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406320&page=2 post #14). Then no correction and not even a mention in the documentation.
I just can't imagine how many phone calls they will get from upgraders complaining that the GPS can't find satellites after 5 minutes...

TP2 good as an internet phone?

I'm considering getting a TP2 to use as an internet phone, would it be good for me?
I plan to use it for (in this order):
1. SIP/VoIP calling over wifi (how convenient is this?)
2. Email (multiple email account support, filters for organization, etc)
3. Media (videos/mp3s/pandora/youtube)
edit: 4. Web browsing and e-book reading
This is a big purchase for me and I don't want to receive the phone and find out that the SIPconfig/AudioRoute doesn't work well enough to use as a primary phone.
It's between the TP2 and an Android device (they seem to work well as internet phones and have capacitive screens, but no WVGA).
Please help me make this decision. I need advice from experienced users.

If you dont need qwert key board, i would say HTC Touch HD is much better choice. It have almost same hardware as Pro 2, but it uses 3.8 screen instead 3.6 for pro2.
And it is cheaper than Pro2

My experience.. very good handling.. especially with Opera.. Speed is f*cked up but that's not the phone, cause my htc tp2 beats my friends n97 and another friends samsung omnia pro..it's the ****ty coverage in my pesantville over here..
no flash in opera though, bit of a setback considering my age of eighteen years old
If you don't need qwerty i'd suggest you wait for HTC Leo
Latoah

TP2 works great with skype, good audio.

Works fine
benanon said:
I'm considering getting a TP2 to use as an internet phone, would it be good for me?
I plan to use it for (in this order):
1. SIP/VoIP calling over wifi (how convenient is this?)
2. Email (multiple email account support, filters for organization, etc)
3. Media (videos/mp3s/pandora/youtube)
edit: 4. Web browsing and e-book reading
This is a big purchase for me and I don't want to receive the phone and find out that the SIPconfig/AudioRoute doesn't work well enough to use as a primary phone.
It's between the TP2 and an Android device (they seem to work well as internet phones and have capacitive screens, but no WVGA).
Please help me make this decision. I need advice from experienced users.
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I use it with Skype for WM and it works great... clear sound from between US and UK, and even works fine in video conference mode on WiFi... and that's even on the $hitty broadband speeds we get here in Grand Cayman.

thanks guys, but does anyone have experience with using the built-in SIP/VoiP features in windows mobile? i.e., call someone normally from contacts and it goes through SIP?

SMS through PC

So, I'm looking for an app that allows me to send and recieve SMS through my PC, with my Dash connected via activesync.
Many people recommend Jeyo, but I want to try another one. Any suggestions?

This is relevant to my interests, seeing as my house is possibly the BIGGEST DEAD ZONE in my area.

Pocket Controller

phuKKah said:
This is relevant to my interests, seeing as my house is possibly the BIGGEST DEAD ZONE in my area.
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Well, if you live in a dead zone, then you have a slightly larger problem. Just because you can connect to your computer doesn't mean you can do whatever you want.
For instance, I use(d) mDesktop ... awesome app, but what it does is use the PHONE as a "Network Router" (That is my term, basically it will act as a connection to the network) ... so no signal = no signal. The computer will not compensate. If you live in a deadzone, complain to your company and toss around a couple "You know [ANOTHER COMPANY] has great service here and a great price too" if you need to, and maybe the company will get some action done (then again, that isn't all too likely since towers tend to be shared for multiple purposes).
If you live in a dead zone, either complain, or try to find some sort of Online SMS service, because I am positive they exist, or build some sort of amplifier for cell signal (i would check instructables.com).

orb3000 said:
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Thanks!
I've tested it. There's a small issue. It allows keyboard input from the pc but some letters don't work. here's an explanation from one of SOTI's support team:
"we have tested Pocket Controller-Pro with Dash-equivalent devices (HTC-S620 / Excalibur) and it works without any problems.
The problem is observed on devices that are running the T-Mobile branded firmware, which is customized for T-Mobile and responds differently to input compared to devices running a standard firmware (with a standard keyboard input driver). "
I'm curently running 3VO's ROM.. any ideas?
UPDATE: same happens with "MyMobiler"

Cyclonezephyrxz7 said:
Well, if you live in a dead zone, then you have a slightly larger problem. Just because you can connect to your computer doesn't mean you can do whatever you want.
For instance, I use(d) mDesktop ... awesome app, but what it does is use the PHONE as a "Network Router" (That is my term, basically it will act as a connection to the network) ... so no signal = no signal. The computer will not compensate. If you live in a deadzone, complain to your company and toss around a couple "You know [ANOTHER COMPANY] has great service here and a great price too" if you need to, and maybe the company will get some action done (then again, that isn't all too likely since towers tend to be shared for multiple purposes).
If you live in a dead zone, either complain, or try to find some sort of Online SMS service, because I am positive they exist, or build some sort of amplifier for cell signal (i would check instructables.com).
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Haha I've been *****ing to T-Mo forever about it, but they won't do anything. The best I can do is AIM by adding phone numbers to it, but I would much rather be able to use my wifi and be able to text through my phone. Oh, the downfalls of technology :/

jgrv said:
Thanks!
I've tested it. There's a small issue. It allows keyboard input from the pc but some letters don't work. here's an explanation from one of SOTI's support team:
"we have tested Pocket Controller-Pro with Dash-equivalent devices (HTC-S620 / Excalibur) and it works without any problems.
The problem is observed on devices that are running the T-Mobile branded firmware, which is customized for T-Mobile and responds differently to input compared to devices running a standard firmware (with a standard keyboard input driver). "
I'm curently running 3VO's ROM.. any ideas?
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Change ROM if you can
Here it´s working perfect

I use mymobile works great

orb3000 said:
Change ROM if you can
Here it´s working perfect
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how sad is that haha
- Maybe I'll make my own app

If you do it please share it with us!

Its funny that you post this because I recently stumbled upon such a program,
look up : Jeyomobile
its an application that uses microcoft outlook with your active sync its
been awesome, and made it way easier to not only reply to text while im chillen on the computer but also delete **** loads of them.

thanks! but my problem with jeyo is that's not sending sms.. just receiving..
also I would like a stand-alone program and i Think Jeyo is a Outlook plugin. Activesync should consider sms sync and interface

[Q] How to connect the GN via VPN to a AVM Fritzbox?

Hi there,
I really like the Galaxy Nexus with ICS 4.0.2 (beside the low volume of the ringtones...) but I can't use Skype since german providers block skype-packets
in the network or atleast make them utterly slow. Now I want to use the
VPN-server of my (german) "AVM Fritzbox 7170" ADSL-router. There's a how-to for the iphone: http://translate.google.com/transla...rvice-Portal/VPN_Interoperabilitaet/16206.php
Unfortunately it doesn't work here, I only get a timeout.
Can somebody give me an advice with wich app I can find wich logfile on the phone to check for any errormessages? Kind regards!

I have used Skype in Germany without issues. What makes you think your carrier is blocking Skype packets? I believe Skype communicates on port 80 the same as web browsers..

elpmet27 said:
I have used Skype in Germany without issues. What makes you think your carrier is blocking Skype packets? I believe Skype communicates on port 80 the same as web browsers..
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I had the issue with different networks on different phones. Some operators also say so to slowdown Skype-packets, even if T-mobile isn't doing so.
If I start a voicecall I maybe hear the first 2 seconds of the voice (eg. the echo service) and then I just get weired chopped soundbits that sounds like a broken robot. And it's not the signalquality, using it with full HSDPA-signal...
Oh and not to speak about videocalls, impossible to connect at all.
Oh and as I said, I would like to use the VPN, too. Not just because of Skype.

So... no help here?