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I am new to these forums. I just recieved my HTC TYTN from rogers (Canada) today and was disappointed to find out that they dont have windows mobile 6 upgrade. The PDA has everything I want except this. The more I read on here the more confused I am getting.
My question is if anyone could help me on weither I should try flashing this device with a 3rd party rom or return and get another phone. If I return it I dont see any other PDA's that have all this one has. The HTC touch has no key pad is it any good?
By reading on here its not hard to tell you guys know your PDA's. I dont mind paying more money I just want whats best for windows mobile 6. Any advice you guys can give would be much appreciated.
i have it from 1 year and half and i really cant complain about a single thing
ok, i would complain about the lack of support on publishing new roms, but xda cooks provide enough of them
if you upgrade the phone with the roms you can find here, you will break the warranty, but there s a guide to "refurbish" the phone eventually
and if you follow mr vanx guide on flashing the phone, you wont really have troubles. easier if you use windows xp than vista, but doable on both.
Thanks for the input, I would really like to flash it, I read the guide and flashing seems pretty straight forward but I suppose murphys law is always present. Maybe I can save the current rom and flash it back if needed?
I might wait until tomorrow and sleep on it. I hate to void the warranty on a new device, but I dont see anything else to replace it with on the rogers site.
The reason I want windows mobile 6 is so I can remote desktop onto my servers to monitor and reboot if nessesary when I am not home without carrying the laptop around with me.
I know it was only released yesterday, but I know nothing about the current Desire models. I come from the realm of CDMA Hero's and am moving to the Samsung Epic. My brother just picked up a desire and wants to root it.
Is the current Desire a GSM or CDMA phone?
And has anyone who has gotten the new USC Desire, have you tried the current root method to see if it works. I have doubts that it will.
I am going to assume after looking through this forum a little bit that the current model being developed for here is GSM.
The US Cellular Desire is the first CDMA phone to be called "HTC Desire". Tread carefully. But please also report any positive/negative results so that others can learn from your win/fail.
cmstlist said:
The US Cellular Desire is the first CDMA phone to be called "HTC Desire". Tread carefully. But please also report any positive/negative results so that others can learn from your win/fail.
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Thankfully I am pretty Android savvy. I just wasn't sure if it was CDMA or GSM - No radio updates for this phone .
If the current root method does not work I will attempt the ones for other devices running 2.1 and might even try the new EVO/Epic root for 2.2.
I'll get this thing rooted if I have to find my own.
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Thankfully I am pretty Android savvy. I just wasn't sure if it was CDMA or GSM - No radio updates for this phone .
If the current root method does not work I will attempt the ones for other devices running 2.1 and might even try the new EVO/Epic root for 2.2.
I'll get this thing rooted if I have to find my own.
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I can't wait to get my US Cellular Desire and I'm really hoping for root. Let us know if you have any luck.
So what are the actual chances that it will work on the uscc desire? I got mine so I guess ill just have to try it tonight.
The us desire has a bootloader 0.98.xxxx you will have to downgrade to a different hboot plus I'm pretty sure all the roms only support a gsm radio.
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The us desire has a bootloader 0.98.xxxx you will have to downgrade to a different hboot plus I'm pretty sure all the roms only support a gsm radio.
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Again, tread with caution... if a different HBOOT bricks the phone... there's not much recourse!
From what I have read/observed, the USCC Desire is basically the same phone as the Nexus One. I would like to know what is different about this thing that would prevent me from rooting and/or upgrading to 2.2.
Anyone have any advice? I can't wait to upgrade this piece.
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From what I have read/observed, the USCC Desire is basically the same phone as the Nexus One. I would like to know what is different about this thing that would prevent me from rooting and/or upgrading to 2.2.
Anyone have any advice? I can't wait to upgrade this piece.
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Well, Desire is CDMA. Nexus one is not. completely different cellular radio HARDWARE. and that pesky slcd is also a problem.
Gonna have better luck adapting a cdma android root. (incredible, evo, etc..) at least they use the same radio technology.
i thought the incredible was supposed to get the slcd also...... that would help alot.
I know this doesn't provide any technical information, but just as an FYI I did ask HTC what their policy on rooting is. They said:
"Of course the Desire is your phone. If you would like to root the phone or install 3rd party software to it, you are more than welcome to. It's just that with any 3rd party software, HTC did not create it so we do not have information on how it works therefore, we can not support it. As far as voiding any warranties, I do not have that information. You may contact our Warranty Deparment at 1-800-229-1235 (8:30 AM - 5 PM EST M-F). They will be able to verify that information with you. HTC has repaired some phones that had the incorrect ROM on them. There may have been a fee for this, I am not certain."
I hadn't gotten around to calling about the warranty. I had read elsewhere that as long as the damage wasn't a result of the rooting that they would still repair a rooted phone under warranty, but I don't know if there's any truth to that.
Anyway, I don't know if this helps alleviate any concerns about experimenting with it or not. I had gotten as far as making a gold card for it yesterday, but I'm kind of afraid to go any further until I can get some more information on this specific phone. I feel like there may be a chance with this method since it takes information from your actual device. Anyone have any thoughts on that?
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I know this doesn't provide any technical information, but just as an FYI I did ask HTC what their policy on rooting is. They said:
"Of course the Desire is your phone. If you would like to root the phone or install 3rd party software to it, you are more than welcome to. It's just that with any 3rd party software, HTC did not create it so we do not have information on how it works therefore, we can not support it. As far as voiding any warranties, I do not have that information. You may contact our Warranty Deparment at 1-800-229-1235 (8:30 AM - 5 PM EST M-F). They will be able to verify that information with you. HTC has repaired some phones that had the incorrect ROM on them. There may have been a fee for this, I am not certain."
I hadn't gotten around to calling about the warranty. I had read elsewhere that as long as the damage wasn't a result of the rooting that they would still repair a rooted phone under warranty, but I don't know if there's any truth to that.
Anyway, I don't know if this helps alleviate any concerns about experimenting with it or not. I had gotten as far as making a gold card for it yesterday, but I'm kind of afraid to go any further until I can get some more information on this specific phone. I feel like there may be a chance with this method since it takes information from your actual device. Anyone have any thoughts on that?
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Once you make a gold card, which rooting technique are you going try? Unrevoked is the simplest overall but I think HBOOT 0.98 fixed the exploit that Unrevoked uses.
I tried unrevoked the other day and it said that it was unsupported. I don't know that I'll go as far as trying to root at this point. I was kind of hoping that someone else would try it first, ha . . . Initially I was doing the gold card just to see if I could at least unbrand it so I could install the OTA update. But then I run into the original issue of whether or not it supports CDMA and/or SLCD. Is there any way to tell aside from actually attempting to flash it? Maybe it would be safer to try one of the methods for the Incredible? Not sure what version of HBOOT that has on it. Honestly, I'm pretty far from being any kind of expert on this. So far I've only had experience with rooting the Moto Droid and that was pretty much cake since the phone is so old at this point.
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I tried unrevoked the other day and it said that it was unsupported. I don't know that I'll go as far as trying to root at this point. I was kind of hoping that someone else would try it first, ha . . . Initially I was doing the gold card just to see if I could at least unbrand it so I could install the OTA update. But then I run into the original issue of whether or not it supports CDMA and/or SLCD. Is there any way to tell aside from actually attempting to flash it? Maybe it would be safer to try one of the methods for the Incredible? Not sure what version of HBOOT that has on it. Honestly, I'm pretty far from being any kind of expert on this. So far I've only had experience with rooting the Moto Droid and that was pretty much cake since the phone is so old at this point.
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There's only one set of RUU that support CDMA at this point. Pretty much any other attempt will brick your desire. You could try one of those RUU's and see if it downgrades where you could root then.
Yeah, I think I'm going to wait until some sort of tested method is worked out. I'm not at any kind of skill level to be figuring this stuff out on my own. Overall I'm pretty pleased with how the phone worked right out of the box. My only major complaint is the lack of internal storage for apps and the fact that you can't remove any of the preinstalled crap. This is the only reason I was really even looking into rooting or unlocking at this point. I just hope that the fact that the EVO and Incredible got their updates means that one can't be far off for the Desire.
psychache - I feel ya there. I got mine and I love it. However, was kinda skiddish on testing on this new unit. Whether or not the insurance would cover it if I bricked it. Even then, would still be another $100 deductible.
I am willing to try something. I already tried the Universal Androot to no avail... no brick or anything, it just didnt take.
Well, if anyone else is up to the challenge you could always call the number I posted above to get a definite answer on whether you would still have coverage if you did brick. I had actually had several replies back and forth with them before I asked specifically about rooting and was very impressed by how responsive and open-minded they were. I'd say of any of the manufacturers they're probably the most likely to be "cool" about it. And you're right, primerorico, worst case scenario is you could do an insurance claim and pay the $100 (you know, because you "lost" it). I know that's not cheap but it's a heck of a lot less than paying the full retail for a new one. Just food for thought for anyone who actually knows what they're doing . . . (unlike myself)
Someone has made some progress in rooting. Not sure if he needs some help but here is the thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7917553
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Someone has made some progress in rooting. Not sure if he needs some help but here is the thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7917553
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Thanks for the link. I'll definitely keep an eye on it.
Hi all, i know this is a well talked about subject as i have done numerous google/ask searches, i find an awful lot but don't really seem to get any answers, over the last week i must have read hundreds of pages so please anyone who is going to tell me to google this problem, please don't as i have until i could scream lol......anyway, this is the problem i am having......
Hubby bought the HTC desire on ORANGE but then decided he wanted an iphone4 so he gave his desire to me, i am a vodafone user, as we have teenage children and the freedom/family packs are such good value, i wanted to stay on vodafone so i got the phone unlocked with an unlock code at my local mobile fone shop...hubby had never used it as a phone, just as a gadget to mess about on so we weren't aware there was any problems.... the problems i am having are these...i can't get the phone to hold a call, if i use wmcda only mode, its slightly better and i can usually get a call out but it will drop out if i stay on the line to long, if i use gsm only then i can't get a call out at all, the phone stays silent for a few seconds and then just drops out......on both settings the signal is fluctuating like mad and often gives me a x where my signal should be, i love the phone as a gadget but at the moment im not getting much luck with it as a phone.....a few things i thought may be to blame are
could it be the way the fone shop unlocked it??
i have used the same sim card (voda) for around 4+ years, could i need a better sim???
could it be because all the settings on the phone belong to orange and arn't set up to use on voda??
i have read on a few sites where people have returned these phones only to be given another one that has the same issues where others have recieved another hand set and the problem is solved but some people say they have no call dropping/signal issues at all and love the phone....im confused, i have been looking around the site and seen peopl are using custom roms and/or debranding the phone, could that help with my issues??
if anyone can help me i would really appreciate it ...
thanks in advance
emma......ps sorry for such a long post
If your SIM is 4+ years old, I would suggest that a new one might be in order, so at the very least I'd request one if I were you.
You've not mentioned which ROM version or baseband you phone is currently using (see Menu->Settings->About Phone->Software Information). Try posting these so we can see if you are running a very early ROM and/or radio.
Regards,
Dave
P.S. Lastly, divorce hubby for being unfaithful to the Desire and buying an iPhone!
lmao he's an iphone fanatic, he has the 3g, 3gs and now the iphone4, oh and a macbook lol.. personally i love the desire but i'm having a nightmare using it as a phone, i called HTC up on friday and ups have actually just came and picked it up, i have been waiting on them, so i can't actually check anything now, i wish i had realised and put the stats of the phone in my post, they said it will take 7/10 working days to get it back and i feel lost already lol....i am hoping and praying that they can sort the problem out, i have also requested new sims from vodafone and they are on their way to me also, so if i get my phone back and i still have same issues with my sim i will try the new sim, if that doesn't work, then i guess i'll be back on here or trading it in
i think im right in thinking the rom is the software, but by radio are you referring to the FM radio or to the radio waves your phone uses??
I have an iMac and a Macbook, but I dislike the walled garden that Apple has put up around the iPhone/iPad!
When I referred to the radio, I meant the cellular radio - not the FM radio, but the point is moot now if you've sent it in for repair!
Regards,
Dave
yeah i forgot he also has the ipad, i love that like, he jailbreaks them himself so we get all the apps, better than the ipod, which he has also lol...he's a total apple nut!! once i get my device back i will check the stats an post them up here straight away......if the radio is old could that be the problem?? and do the newer ones help, i had to sign a fom to say they could erase everything and put the latest software on so im presuming they will also update the radio?? if so maybe that will correct the problem, i had looked into using a custom rom before i sent it back but i was scared that if i did that then they wouldn't repair/replace the unit also i was a little wary as the instructions seem a little complicated
.......i have since sent my desire of for repair/replacement and have contacted them today (since they have had it 3 weeks) and was told it is ready to be sent back to me and that it has had the mother board replaced...has anyone else had similar problems who had had a new mother board fitted and then the problems have stopped??? im thinking that when it comes back it will be as useless as a phone as it was when i sent it off
thanks
As far as holding calls are concerned, the Desire is bad... much worse than any iPhone I've used. That said in built up areas I never really have problems with voice, but in rural areas the reception is very poor... I struggle to make calls in my house, which was never an issue when I used Samsung phones.
3G reception is a separate issue!
Well the motherboard is basically the phones guts, so that coupled with the new rom/radio should solve your issues. I can't see them replacing the MB just for the sake of it!
Let us know how you find it afterwards. Personally, I've no bother with reception and love my desire
well i've been expecting my phone back for days and it still hasn't arrived, i was quoted 5 to 7 working days when i sent it off for repair 3 WEEKS ago, anyway when it comes back i'll see how it goes and let you all know....could it possibly have something to do wiht the fact that its an orange branded phone and im getting a code to have it unlocked to vodafone????
(which i will have to pay for again now i have a new motherboard)
Hi,
i am pretty much annoyed (and it's getting worse every day) about not able to root my device, without voiding the warranty.
I had made a decision, that i will never ever buy a new device again, before there is solution for rooting.
How about you?
schnurzelat
I'm really annoyed by their policy. I'm a student, I don't have enough money to just use HTC Dev tools and say goodbye to the fact my expensive device is gonna last at least two years.
I was expectin of course that I could not use warranty for a software problem that is totally understandable but after everything I saw on the forum I'm really angry against HTC.
So that is clear for me. It's my last HTC phone.
joplayer said:
I'm really annoyed by their policy. I'm a student, I don't have enough money to just use HTC Dev tools and say goodbye to the fact my expensive device is gonna last at least two years.
I was expectin of course that I could not use warranty for a software problem that is totally understandable but after everything I saw on the forum I'm really angry against HTC.
So that is clear for me. It's my last HTC phone.
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My device was unlocked and HTC in the UK replaced my screen under warranty. I re-locked, restored the stock recovery and ROM before sending it in.
I won't buy a HTC phone again.
My next phone is a Nexus Series.
I decided to root because i was assured by HTC Chat that it did not void ALL warranty, only issues that could be caused by software (rooting), so if any major hardware faults developed, it SHOULD still be covered under warranty
I'm not too fussed tbh, I'll wait for S-Off like a patient little boy.
HTC only allowed us to have S-Off through HTCDev because people were bugging them about it and they gave in.
They had to safeguard themselves against any backlash that might have come from N00bs bricking their devices and trying to claim for a new handset when it their own failures that fscked up their device anyway.
It's like Car Insurance, keep crashing your motor and expect to pay higher premiums... sooner or later you'll stop driving like a nob, understand what I'm saying?
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I'm not too fussed tbh, I'll wait for S-Off like a patient little boy.
HTC only allowed us to have S-Off through HTCDev because people were bugging them about it and they gave in.
They had to safeguard themselves against any backlash that might have come from N00bs bricking their devices and trying to claim for a new handset when it their own failures that fscked up their device anyway.
It's like Car Insurance, keep crashing your motor and expect to pay higher premiums... sooner or later you'll stop driving like a nob, understand what I'm saying?
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Well said,the HOX is not as easy to root as previous HTC mobiles so they have had to cover their own backs.
Why should HTC allow you a warranty when u rooted ur phone. HTC team did a fantastic job in Sense.
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Well said,the HOX is not as easy to root as previous HTC mobiles so they have had to cover their own backs.
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Thanks, naturally, as with all things technological, people fiddle with it and break things, fix things and improve upon things. HTC did a good job with Sense imho, if we want to detract from that and make our own alterations why should they provide us with a warranty? In their eyes Sense was a finished product.
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Why should HTC allow you a warranty when u rooted ur phone. HTC team did a fantastic job in Sense.
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Exactly! Overall, aesthetically, I really like Sense, it does have it's limitations however and is a resource hog, but it's a nice little eco-system that works well.
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Why should HTC allow you a warranty when u rooted ur phone.
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If I root and flash custom software on my phone I should have warranty on hardware issues such as the WiFi issue which has been proven to be a manufacturing defect. ie NOT caused by software.
It's like, buying a computer and running Ubuntu instead of Windows and then the manufacturer not covering a HDD replacement for a failed disk because of your OS. The only way hardware issues could be caused by the software is by overclocking the cpu and playing with voltages. There is no way in hell any other hardware issues could be caused by the software running on it especially bent pins affecting wifi antenna or assembly gaps to mention a few.
HTC not standing by warranty on these phones (especially when allowing us to unlock the bootloader) is criminal. Why allow us to unlock the bootloader if you can't do anything with it???
I am quietly waiting for the next nexus phone to be announced. I think I may sell my one x (which is the best phone I've ever owned) and go for a nexus. My last few phones have all been HTC but I have lost faith in the company and brand.
I think its a piss take HTC voiding part or whole of your warranty. If you went out and brought a brand new laptop and wanted to put Windows 8 on it, but you had to wait for let's say Acer to decide if the upgrade would work, to tweak and add useless programs and put a skin over it, OR void your warranty, have Windows 8 and never be allowed to send your laptop in for hardware errors, people would be pretty pissed off. These phones are mini computers. I believe they should be unlockable by 'fastboot oem unlock' which would mean full S-Off, anyway if your into loading ROMs and want a warranty. Don't buy this phone... Simple.
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There is no way in hell any other hardware issues could be caused by the software running on it especially bent pins affecting wifi antenna or assembly gaps to mention a few.
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On certain Samsung phones with certain emmc firmware in combination with certain ics kernel could permanently destroy the emmc if you did a full wipe/factory reset in cwm
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On certain Samsung phones with certain emmc firmware in combination with certain ics kernel could permanently destroy the emmc if you did a full wipe/factory reset in cwm
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That is quite poor from Samsung in my opinion.
i purchased the one x on release day - coming from the dhd i thought i was choosing the right phone for me. i loved changing roms and fiddling until i had a hard ware failure on the device.
i was suprised that htc had done this, i have always upgraded my phone until the dhd (nothing else really worth the upgrade until the one x was released) around 6-9 months of age (due to boredom most of the time).
I just know that my next phone will not have sense on - as much as i love sense i can live without it, but not having root makes the phone boring after a while. Its a shame as i love htc hardware, but not willing to lose warrenty on a device that could fail after so many months. My wife already has her name on my phone when i upgrade next so warrenty is still needed.
i think this is a dirty trick htc has done here and will only cost them as time goes on.
i fancy a plain android phone now as ics / jellybean looks so nice so sense wont be missed too much thinking about it, i can see a nexus coming in my near future when they release the next generation.
IMHO, i wouldnt have minded so much if htc gave the option to remove ALL bloatware inc sense - forcing programs such as suckbook and twatter with only the option to disable is pathetic, they should either give you the option to flash a vanilla rom or remove all bloat before making you void warrenty getting rid of the crap.
I am S-On, AT&T 1.58 stock rooted (from Miller_kid's upload deodexed dated 5/15/2014). It took me close to 3 weeks just to get the SIM to recognize (eye-rolling expected here).
I guess my primary question is: can I install a Tmobile 5.02 mod (of course after doing a backup and wipe).
My secondary question is: does the bootloader need to be relocked for normal operation?
Sorry to sound so clueless, but I'm horrified at the prospect of the phone giving me that HTC ONE white screen blank stare and not doing anything else! All suggestions are greatly appreciated.
its such a lovely feeling to realize that you're not quite as clueless as you once thought you were.
I figured "what the hell ... the phone's been a brick for three weeks ... why should i give a **** what else i do to it now anyway?" And went to town with InsertCoin's incredibly reliable and stable mods ... Wow you guys are terrific and extremely responsive. $$$$ coming ur way!
so F - U At&T .... (and actually TMob can suck my ballz too, but what the hell ... they are carrying me at the mo, so ... )
It amazes me that after 15 years AT&T doesn't even bother to ask why I might be just cancelling my 2 line account ... maybe they actually realize they've been violating me without my permission every month for that long. I suggest that everyone tired of the rates they're being charged -- when u get ready to drop the carrier, go in person. That way you can at least have some fun and tell them that now that there is a person shaking your hand representing the company, you could (if you really wanted to be nasty) call the police and say you had been raped. there was physical contact, afterall.
Oh my what fun that could start!! The looks on faces would be utterly priceless. (see what kind of lunacy all this phone tension creates? madness. geez)