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I've been using Black (and currently 3.01) but am looking at moving on. Who can give me advise on the pros and cons between Dymond and the LVSW?
If you're concerned about stability, I'd go with vp3G's version of the LVSW ROM. It's the one I keep going back to, and it has the Cingular customization already done. It's excellent work. In my testing I've found Dymond to be fairly unstable.
That is probably my biggest concern, and the reason I left the factory ROM. I'm kind of leaning the LVSW way but want to make sure I'm not passing up something good with Black Dymond. I"m starting to get tired repeatedly setting up my device with all my programs after I move to a new ROM.
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If you're concerned about stability, I'd go with vp3G's version of the LVSW ROM. It's the one I keep going back to, and it has the Cingular customization already done. It's excellent work. In my testing I've found Dymond to be fairly unstable.
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please state what testing u did to justify your claims the dymond is unstable.
Good question Jasjamming. I have to say I am impressed with the number of user using your ROM, and the quality of the threads relating to your work. Can you gave me some advice, please, on what I would gain using your Black Dymond? Thanks...
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Good question Jasjamming. I have to say I am impressed with the number of user using your ROM, and the quality of the threads relating to your work. Can you gave me some advice, please, on what I would gain using your Black Dymond? Thanks...
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speed, stability and the latest RTM Rom (not a MS dogfood rom) available. please see the threads over at 4wm for your self.
Black Dymond has been beta, RC1 and RC2 tested by a user group. Any issues experienced will be isolated based on 3rd party applications. Try it and see for yourself.
If someone posts negative feedback by all means please state what went wrong etc over at 4wm so notes can be taken.
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...clip...In my testing I've found Dymond to be fairly unstable.
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I am also interested to hear what kind of 'testing' you did.
Dymond is Actually Rock-Solid.
A quick point about "dogfood" since its been spun up with a somewhat bad connotation here.
M$ employees run the latest and greatest software from the development groups. They call it "eating their own dogfood". Its a term of endearment on the M$ campus. Every major M$ developer/presenter I spoke with at MEDC this year was running "dogfood" on their device. Generally, "dogfood" is a few point releases in advance of what gets sent to the masses.
Good or bad, buggy or not. You folks decide.
I'm happy to run "dogfood" on my TyTN. Nobody else has it. Case in point: check the Kaiser thread.
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If you're concerned about stability, I'd go with vp3G's version of the LVSW ROM. It's the one I keep going back to, and it has the Cingular customization already done. It's excellent work. In my testing I've found Dymond to be fairly unstable.
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Could not agree more! vp3G's LVSW Re-Cooked version is the "Best Rom by far" very fast and very stable...
Black Dymond is the best Rom.....
I am using black 3.5 since yesterday and so far it has treated me well. I don't see any stability issues.
I have installed some spb programs like weather and some games and the ROM rocks.
I have been on black 2.5 before and that was stable as well. However dymond is noticeably much faster.
I have not tried any other ROMS besides these 2 so I cannot say which one I would favor over the other. I like black and sticking with for now.
I recently flashed the vp3G ROM after using Black 2.5 for about a month. Black 2.5 treated me very well, however I am happier with the vp3G (LSVW derivative). It is much faster and more polished than the Black 2.5 I was using(because it is newer, I suppose). I have been very excted about the 3.xx versions of Black but have yet to try them until I read through all the threads to see if it is a fit for me (3.0/3.1 didn't seem to be the right move). For now, vp3G/LSVW is an excellent ROM for me.
I'm running SPB Diary, MS VC 1.6, VOIP, IM+, SKTools, DinarSoft HandySwitcher, MOBITV, SettingSavior .94, and a bunch of other stuff. No problems AT ALL to report. Program Memory stays solid, device never freezes, and battery lasts the longest.
Hope this helps...
Black Dymond with C-Start : experiencing sync problem
Using Balck Dymond for 12h. Looks quite stable, not to mention the style. Thanks JJ
All functions work well (haven't tested 3G - China not deploying it yet ).
Most impressive is the performance of WiFi (compared to Black 3.01 and WM Hermes QS Edition) - power settings shoul be on "Best Performance", otherwise do not connects even putting the device next to BS
Found some conflict betwen C-Start and embodied input - haven't explored the issue yet.
Issue with synchronization: When the ROM was "virging" no problem synchronizing. Suspect installing C-Start, after the system runs for some time, there is some software conflict. Have followed all ActiveSync 4.5 troubleshooting advice, but looks like the issue is in the device. Next few days will try to install different Chinese characters software - hope it will work!
-- The same issue had with Black 3.1 + C-Start; the difference is that with Black 3.01 was able to etsablish connection between the PPC and the PC, was able to "browse" the PPC but no sync; with Dymond no connection at all
Hope will figure out some way arround with the Chinese characters
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Good or bad, buggy or not. You folks decide.
I'm happy to run "dogfood" on my TyTN. Nobody else has it.
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Heh... I think some folks are wishing this "dogfood" came from Menu Foods rather than M$.
Not to mention anyone who's been in IT for any length of time knows a "shipping" version doesn't necessarily equate to a "good" version (can we all say Windows ME?). C'mon, I know y'all didn't just fall off the turnip truck.
I think vp3g rom is by far the best. I ve been playing with this rom since it 1st came out and i must say its Very stable, very BIG storage, very responsive, and the tie in of the cingular settings with this rom adds close to a perfect rom! My only gripe with lsvw rom base is "esmertec java" Opera mini sucks with it! But otherwise a great rom!
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please state what testing u did to justify your claims the dymond is unstable.
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I already posted it on your site.
Out of the box, within 30 mins of use, your ROM was freezing up on me several times. I use no 3rd party applications, aside from Pimp My Black (which may have been the problem). I did not see the quirkiness in other ROMs that I saw in Dymond. I've reviewed many ROMs, including your original Black 2.x and 3.x series, and did not have the same polished experience I see in LVSW's base. I think your 2.5 ROM was the best to date in terms of reliability.
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Could not agree more! vp3G's LVSW Re-Cooked version is the "Best Rom by far" very fast and very stable...
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It's given me no hassles at all, aside from the WLAN problem when using WPA2 pre-shared key, which seems to be a problem in a few recent ROMs (Faria's being the exception here). It has the Cingular customization already done, and includes what I need and not what I don't need. I also like the inclusion of a working X-button. No additional CABs to install.
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I already posted it on your site.
Out of the box, within 30 mins of use, your ROM was freezing up on me several times. I use no 3rd party applications, aside from Pimp My Black (which may have been the problem). I did not see the quirkiness in other ROMs that I saw in Dymond. I've reviewed many ROMs, including your original Black 2.x and 3.x series, and did not have the same polished experience I see in LVSW's base. I think your 2.5 ROM was the best to date in terms of reliability.
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Well then,
Maybe you should have choose the word "Tried" rather saying something like 'in my "Testing" I found it to unstable.'
You tried it, you didn't actually do any 'testing.'
I was involved in the 'beta' and RC1, and still using it loaded full of apps, and there is NO instability at all.
cant say much about the others but...
I am running Dymond and no stability issues what s ever were detected unless:
You add on HTC X (doesn't matter what version - both Sucks) use alternatives like handyswitcher or others.
This is the ROM I had the longest uptime before SR!
I am running Pushmail (more than 200 email per day) with sms activity fairly high as well as phone calls that could probably fry my ... and still stability is not an issue.
only issue i am wondering about these days is what Radio Version is the best to work with...
I have actually found the same issues with every WM6 rom I have tried to date. I have loaded all of Kyphurs, a couple of LVSW's and Black 2.01 onwards.
I think everyone here knows that actual problems stem from third party apps and/or personal set up and the roms get blamed for the problems.
I also think we all know that a lot of people fall into the two main camps and will argue their rom is better than the other one.
I am on Dymond and havn't had a soft reset for the two days its been on my device - which for a cooked rom I reckon is pretty damn good - but I reckon from what I have read LVSW's latest is probably ok too...
You pays your money and you takes your choice --- oh except you dont pay any money - ITS FREE!
I just want a clean, stable ROM with bug fixes.
Thanx for any advice.
the best one is the one you like better.
just try them and answer yourself.
i'm still on the old Mun... and its just great!
I'm on the bepe ROM and it is not the best I tried but I'm to lacy to reflash again.
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i'm still on the old Mun... and its just great!
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i'm the same , and waiting for mUn's Wm6 rom
This is the best one
The best rom is the one that covers your needs.
They are all great and this guys are doing a heck of a good job,so start flashing and get your own answer.All these roms have amazing features so like I said flash and enjoy it.
Read about Hard SSPL and SSPL before you do it and make sure you do it well,just to avoid (bad) surprises.
rekall said:
I just want a clean, stable ROM with bug fixes.
Thanx for any advice.
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Wait for an official ROM. If you can't take the time to try different ROMs and start a new thread, this is probably not the place for you.
The spirit of this forum to look through the contributions that everyone has made to the development of ROMS, try to contribute in any way you can - and help those in need.
Please don't take me the wrong way, but to reach the nirvana you describe, lots of people have to try out cooked ROMS - and feedback on different bugs. Only then do we get our cookers cooking great ROMS ( I dare say the official development teams check in here, too.)
You should be able to decide based on different comments in different ROM threads (currently 2730 posts in ROM thread for mUn, LVSW, AX3L and ausdim modified version of "official" ROM) which one suits YOUR NEEDS the best. As you will see, showing an outright preference does not encourage ROM cookers and is not really polite.
It may be that you were bewildered stumbling across xda-developers - if so - ask for help - but don't expect a free lunch - try and contribute to the forum, too.
Don't forget to donate to the ROM chef once you've found your favourite - and happy flashing if you find it.
I have tried a multitude of ROMs over the past few weeks and was just trying to guage what others have thought of them. I have tried LSVW and AX3L more recently but was having some issues with SPB Mobile Shell on AX3L. I am currently trying ausdim's ROM and will see what its like. Will post back.
The last one called "official" is best for me.
Wifi working (wpa, wpa2)
BT with A2DP working.
VOIP working ( i need this feature badly). You can hear in speaker only but working all the time and very good. On any other roms i tried only static noise, echo and sound drop. Even on official WM5 rom.
No more power drain after data disconnect. Again important feature.
GPS working.
The only thing in this rom is that you need some patched to have video call, menu sounds and other tweaks. But it's best so far.
VM
Still using mUn's 2.00.S.E.
Absolutely love it!
So far so good with audism's 'official' ROM with patches. Tomtom working, SPB seem OK as well. Will use over the next few days and post back. I even like the default colour scheme
very happy with ausdim's 'official' rom. Nice and stable and none of the weird stuff i was getting with the previous ones.
The most important thing I learnt from the last few frenzied months of flashing on my hermes and trinity is that its not the rom itself but what you do with them that counts.
I now soft reset after re-installing each of my major apps after a new rom flash and it really pays off.
Particularly with the lsvw trinity rom where I was having some major issues where it was defaulting to landscape mode after soft reset when I installed a combination of apps too close together. I'm not completely sure which the offending apps were but spb shell, aebutton, and spb full screen keyboard seemed to be the ones to tip the balance.
Anyway, I generally try and find the cleanest rom and build it myself as we all have our particular favourite apps and I dont like doubling up on programs.
Actually, ausdim's 'official' is the closest I've come to my ideal rom.
I have tried them all over recent weeks. I prefer AX3L rom and his ext rom. That is my personal opinion
Have to say Bepe's is the most stable rom for me with the set of applications that I am using, great respect to all, but Bepe's had to be flashed to my device after using any ROM, waiting for more great efforts and the testing will continue.
Cheers
Private69, if you want something real close to the official.
Experienced some bugs with audism, so flashed to private69 with my own tweaks and cabs. Works like a breeze
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The last one called "official" is best for me.
Wifi working (wpa, wpa2)
BT with A2DP working.
VOIP working ( i need this feature badly). You can hear in speaker only but working all the time and very good. On any other roms i tried only static noise, echo and sound drop. Even on official WM5 rom.
No more power drain after data disconnect. Again important feature.
GPS working.
The only thing in this rom is that you need some patched to have video call, menu sounds and other tweaks. But it's best so far.
VM
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Can you please post your version of windows/rtcdll.dll ?
Using the one from the original post, (this cab from ax3l http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=41737&d=1182077395 ) I can use wm6 voip but during the conversation I often ear noise.
Ciao
Tried all roms I could get hand on if they were english and of course bepes German as it is the only german out of the box but now I'm using AX3L's rom with the extrom. Its out of the box nice, fast, has a lot of free space and all my apps run smooth.
But in his rom the Battery leak is not yet fixed but there iss light HTC Asia is making a WM6 right now so the days are counted
For the moment PDAVIET its the best Rom.
Greats Remo
The Best?
The best is relative to what you are looking for, your style and taste. Personally I want stability and so far Private69's has been perfect in that area.
so far I have found AX3L's Rom very good and stable.
I've tried many ROMS on my 8525 and they all worked pretty well. Each had their advantages and disadvantages. I want a ROM that has a lot of memory, very stable, and works great with voice command. So if you can just drop by and recommend one. No need to flame or say something about the thread--if you don't like it, don't answer in it. I just want recommendations, thanks.
How many WM6.1 roms can we possibly create!?
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I've tried many ROMS on my 8525 and they all worked pretty well. Each had their advantages and disadvantages. I want a ROM that has a lot of memory, very stable, and works great with voice command. So if you can just drop by and recommend one. No need to flame or say something about the thread--if you don't like it, don't answer in it. I just want recommendations, thanks.
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I completely agree! In the past I tried several, but ultimately stuck with the Schaps roms. I felt they were the best for me- had what I waned, were fast and stable. Now in this last month with WM6.1, there are so many, and they're all apparently the latest and the greatest. It's confusing too that every cook uses their own revision numbering system also.
I'm using Pays latest rom right now. It's what it claims to be (for me), fast and stable. Will continue with that until Schaps (hopefully soon) releases his final 4.40...
It seems everyone is working very hard to get their own perfect rom happening- but wouldn't it be better if we got more collaboration going between cooks, and worked together to create fewer, better roms? It would probably mean spending less time reinventing the wheel...
Just my thoughts- take them or leave them.
no matter what ROM I go to recently, I end up going straight back to this one
I just downloaded the Voice Command file that was on here and im sure you will find it if you use the search function.
It is fast and has alot of storage memory and in my opinion is the most stable ROM i have put on my hermes.
Everyone is different tho...
I use Pandora Naked 7.0b2, the last WM6 Naked rom before mattk_r moved on to WM6.1. It's very fast, very stable and comes with nothing extraneous.
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no matter what ROM I go to recently, I end up going straight back to this one
I just downloaded the Voice Command file that was on here and im sure you will find it if you use the search function.
It is fast and has alot of storage memory and in my opinion is the most stable ROM i have put on my hermes.
Everyone is different tho...
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I have to agree. I tried all the 6.1's as they were coming out and within a few hours had hard resets. Kept coming back to Berds rom (linked above).
Like Schap rom so much ...... so waiting for full release of Schap's WM6.1
Thank you guys for the input. I'm using Faria's 6.1 ROM. GREAT rom--very stable. Just two things with it though: there's a memory leak somewhere and voice command doesn't work well at all. So i'll see what ROM to flash. I also wanted a lite rom, but it never came out. Might try schap's 6.1 rom when it comes out.
Have you tried Matt's Pandora Naked Roms? They are clean/stable. I've been using his PN7.2 for awhile with VC & no issues. I haven't tried his 9.1 yet (wm6.1). I'm waiting for all the bugs to get worked out.
Chris
No flame, just a lot of opinion... Regardless of what anyone says, if you are looking for stability, speed, memory, etc... then you may want to stay with a WM6.0 rom... Although I have run and am currently running a WM6.1 variant, I would suggest to anyone that either doesn't have the time to flash repeatedly or isn't afflicted with RFWS to stay away from the 6.1 Roms for now...
How much time is actually spent on a rom to consider it stable...? What are the measurements that are taken to consider a rom fast and speedy...? I am not taking anything away from the cooks and wish I had the grey matter to cook roms myself, BUT unless a rom is tested over a period of time (not two weeks) and repeatedly subjected to beta testing how can one say it is stable... We constantly have roms that are released and then we become the Beta Testers (not complaining mind you, its what I live for)... But we do need to remember that this is primarily a development site and as such there will always be releases that some of us consider to be substandard or less than average... There are several factors that determine stability and how often one has to perform soft/hard resets is one of those factors...
Well, let me get off of the soapbox, I personally liked the Black Series of Roms that are no longer under development... And since they are not supported by the cook any longer (for personal reasons), I would recommend Schaps 4.x series of roms... not the WM6.1 variants, but the WM6.0 variants...
Hope this helps...
kareem9nba said:
I've tried many ROMS on my 8525 and they all worked pretty well. Each had their advantages and disadvantages. I want a ROM that has a lot of memory, very stable, and works great with voice command. So if you can just drop by and recommend one. No need to flame or say something about the thread--if you don't like it, don't answer in it. I just want recommendations, thanks.
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I think Schaps v4.01 is very stable. It can use MS VC very effectively plus it is not hifi version compared to the current ROMs. Just the basic necessary things which are required for a good ROM. I have used both his lite and full version. You can try it out.
The ROM thread is situated here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=343942.
I have tried many kinds of different softwares also on this ROM which works pretty well and as desired. You can try it out.
Great to know. I've tried schaps rom actually and liked it but for some reason that i can't remember, i went to faria's. I think i might go back to this one now. Are there any highly anticipated roms coming up like dutty's 6.1 for the kaiser when everybody was talking about it before it came out?
I tried Schaps and just like last time, it freezes up a lot on me for some reason. Things don't go very smooth on it so i might try pay's rom or some other that i find stable. Any further recommendations will be highly accepted.
I was a great fan of Schaps roms but I kept having connectivity issues (ie: bluetooth, wi-fi) so i switched over to TNT roms. Love those. But it all depends on what you're looking for. For example, TNT roms have a lot of 3rd part apps that some people might not want. I personally haven't had any luck with voice command. Not even with the at&t rom. You gotta do your research. Check thru the first few pages of a rom thread that looks appealing to you and see what the immediate problems are and post your concerns/questions. Members here will be more than happy to help you. After all, that's what development is...isn't it?
Guys, I have gone done the same path as so many of you - trying each ROM as it came out. Before 6.1, I was stuck on TNT SE after being a major fan of Schaps for a long while. Now with 6.1, I have found CRC's to be the best. I dont use VC so cant comment.. Randomize is good, but no BT Explorer... have been operating with CRC for a few weeks now. Very rarely have to reset - only if I overload the thing and it locks up at 99% memory utilisation. Try it for yourself... The only comment I have beyond that is related to radio ROM. I have found that 6.1 seems to be more sensitive to which Radio Rom you are using. I have gone back to 1.43 and found it to be superior to 1.54! Be warned though, I have read in some of the other threads that an older radio ROM can cause the phone to freeze up, although I haven't experianced that at all.
RanDomIze Final Storm v2.10
I have tried almost every 6.1 ROM, this on definatly is the best one I have found.
Hello
Can anyone suggest which ROM/kitchen should I choose?
Currently I use Artemis Touch and it seems very good, but I would like to upgrade to 6.5.
I'm no afraid of kitchen and I'm able to make my own OEM packages, hovewer I need stability. At first I was thinking about Shady's ROM or kitchen, but it seems that while it have new versions often, it isn't stable at all (Microsoft fault, but it's fact). It has problems with GPS, Outlook, it haven't MMS builtin etc.
Can anyone recommend ROM or kitchen - may be not the newest one build, but as stable as possible.
any help, please?
Rom search
i'd like to know too.
I'm using a beta 6.5 that works very well but there must be something better out there.
Also, in our quest; can anyone recommend a pc based artemis emulator to try roms out before we flash. We could do a study and post results rating the best roms then.
Ste
there is no emulators, as I know. There is only simulator together with Microsoft's developers tools.
Careful with these
Hi All
I have tried lots of ROM and I found out that Dhee is the best. Theres always some problem or other with other ROM. Also the sound quality is vey fine in Dhee.
I am a student and I guess that we should be careful and analyse very well before flashing. Huh! Please guys we can't just brick such an expensive mobile else our folks will brick us in the process of testing. Therefore, I would be grateful to all those who post their views and experience here. Thanks in advance.
For me am sticking with wm6.1 as 6.5 has far too many bugs and issues and as am away quite often am not able to test a rom then revert back to something far more stable... Am looking forward to a good all round stable and fully working 6.5.. But till then 6.1 is for me.
Best rom I have flashed and used so far is the Touch 4.02 rom(vanilla) works excellently good amount of free program and storage ram.. Fairly speed(have used hackmaster to clock to 249mhz for bit more speed) every thing works perfectly inc sms and mms which are some of the main faults with wm6.5...
Can highly recommend it..
regards
Lohtse
I am going to first start off by saying that I'm not a big fan of change and haven't found myself a reason to upgrade to 6.5.1+ yet. So bear with me, as I'm still using 21864 on NFSFAN's 1.0 ROM. I have noticed various things with this ROM build, was wondering if anyone had also noticed them, or even found a solution for them.
The first thing I noticed with it is that if I have a data connection open, it is always 'active' - the arrows never turn gray. I've seen this happen in BOTH of NFSFAN's dialers.
I would assume this problem has to do with the first-- My data connection is interrupted after some time, and I get the "Cannot Connect" error. I have MS Direct Push (Exchange/Activesync) turned on. A simple soft-reset will temporarily fix this, but it seems to happen about twice a day.
Of course next, the alarms don't sound but I'm not worried about this since it's a well-known problem.
The last thing I noticed is that sometimes my D-Pad stops functioning in the software, and touch-scrolling lags. This only happens sometimes and doesn't bother me. I first noticed this when I had Palringo installed, but it also has been doing it after 3-4 hard resets.
EDIT: This is by far the best 6.5 ROM for the Vogue that I have personally used. I also realize that NFSFAN has stopped development with this ROM series.
i don't think nfsfan has stopped developing them... i just think he has no time. (he's a full time uni student) and this is his hobby
i personally use vin's rom... and i was always able to have a data connection stop.
if you want to manually configure when to have data install http://www.4shared.com/file/72428200/ebc177b2/MoDaCo_NoData.html
sorry for the double post. but here it is.
i don't think nfsfan has stopped developing them... i just think he has no time. (he's a full time uni student) and this is his hobby
i personally use vin's rom... and i was always able to have a data connection stop.
if you want to manually configure when to have data install this link here...l
I was a long time NFSFAN user and will no doubt flash his next ROM, but right now I am running Vin's 23506 ROM and it is simply the best ROM I have flashed. It is very fast and I never have to soft reset, like ever.
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I was a long time NFSFAN user and will no doubt flash his next ROM, but right now I am running Vin's 23506 ROM and it is simply the best ROM I have flashed. It is very fast and I never have to soft reset, like ever.
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+1 on that.His TP ROMs also the best.This guy is a living ppc.Vogue and TP users got lucky
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+1 on that.His TP ROMs also the best.This guy is a living ppc
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+1 too his Vogue rom was really stable, fast, and with enough features. Right now, I am testing mine, but his is one of the best (no offense to vin, your rom rocks too man!)
I used to use NFSFans, then i switched to Vins.
Couldn't be happier now with Vins, their stable, fast an usually liveable which is the big part, no way could go back to vanilla 6.1.
I agree NFSfans were good, but felt it up an down, where as following Vins till his kitchen crashed has been steady and in touch with his followers.
So, yeah theres little twitches an glitches, lot less then stock WM had so its a win-win, and i found the best continuity on Vins roms for my three vogues.
Sorry o/t an not knocking anyone, just credit where due.
Peace
WR
I have used both of these ROMs and finally decided on Vins(no offense to NFSfan, he is a genius), but the stability and look of Vins V_4 is simply amazing.
I'm pretty new to flashing ROMs, but I'm officially addicted and will for sure try anything that either put out.
Keep up the great work
Thanks for the feedback, guys! I think I do remember trying one of vins older ROMs but I'll catch the latest and try that.
Vin- Much impressed with V4!! Best I've used yet. Just installed no2chem's mass storage, works great.