Develop Bugs

What's the difference? (HTC / O2 / T-mobile)

Ok, so I know the obvious differences in that the O2 & T-mobile require you to sign up to contract and dump a load of their own branded software on the phone, but is that all there is when it comes down to it?
I used the Vario 2 for ages but jacked it in a few months back because I got fed up with it's clunkiness. Only now I need something to take it's place. Obviously I'm posting here so I'm looking at the HTC P3300 (or a contract one). Problem is I've still got 4-months left on my curent contract so I have to buy off-contract so to speak.
So back to the original question, given the HTC P3300 is roughly £100 more to buy compared to T-mobile / O2 realeases (roughly £200 on Eay) which is the better option? Frankly, I'm tempted to stump up the extra because I thought the Vario 2 I had previously was pretty dam slow with all the T-mobile stuff on it but then I'm as well versed in the ins and outs as some of you guys are so what do ya think?

T-Mobile has no WLAN.
And at least for HTC there are two packages, one with TomTom + Maps for Western Europe, car holder & charger and one without.
I believe O2 Germany had the big package, but I'm not sure.
Valen

Valen42 said:
T-Mobile has no WLAN.
And at least for HTC there are two packages, one with TomTom + Maps for Western Europe, car holder & charger and one without.
I believe O2 Germany had the big package, but I'm not sure.
Valen
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No wifi? I hadn't realised that! Seems a bit like a no brainer then

Actually, come to think of it, I am correct in my understanding that I can just plug my T-Mobile sim into this and as long as I configure appropiately I should be able to get it to work?

if you use a non-simlocked device this is correct.

There is the question of styling, which is of course personal. However, I think the Orbit is much prettier which is why I got one. Everyone to their own, tho'

jftilbury said:
There is the question of styling, which is of course personal. However, I think the Orbit is much prettier which is why I got one. Everyone to their own, tho'
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes, this is true and I agree but then I think I'd feel a bit of a twit using the O2 model on a T-mobile contract

O2UK ones are unlocked.
You could buy it from eBay or get it on contract from O2, CID unlock it (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=308242) and then flash any ROM you wanted from the collection on this site or elsewhere.

Just another (sim)unlock thread

Hello,
i've got a problem with my t-mobile dash/mail and it isn't even here know
At first I've to say that i'm a schoolboy from germany so my english isn't perfect yet
Yesterday i bought an mda mail (the german version of the dash) for 80€ on ebay. It's brand new, so I'm quiete happy und lucky.
Thats the good thing. The bad is: It's nelocked on T-mobile. The main reason for which i bought the mda mail is that i wan't to go on the internet and use msn pocket. In Germany, t-mobile doesn't offer any good conditions but e-plus does. That's why I want to use an eplus Simcard.
Can you guys give me any clues to unlock my mda mail? I already read some topics on this board but i've already found some threads but i think most of the tipps aren't usefull for my german mda mail.
Of course i would prefer a free solution but i don't think that that is realistic. I just don't want to pay 100€ to t-mobile
So pleaseee help me

newdash said:
Hello,
i've got a problem with my t-mobile dash/mail and it isn't even here know
At first I've to say that i'm a schoolboy from germany so my english isn't perfect yet
Yesterday i bought an mda mail (the german version of the dash) for 80€ on ebay. It's brand new, so I'm quiete happy und lucky.
Thats the good thing. The bad is: It's nelocked on T-mobile. The main reason for which i bought the mda mail is that i wan't to go on the internet and use msn pocket. In Germany, t-mobile doesn't offer any good conditions but e-plus does. That's why I want to use an eplus Simcard.
Can you guys give me any clues to unlock my mda mail? I already read some topics on this board but i've already found some threads but i think most of the tipps aren't usefull for my german mda mail.
Of course i would prefer a free solution but i don't think that that is realistic. I just don't want to pay 100€ to t-mobile
So pleaseee help me
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
how about i trade you my unlocked t-mobile dash
i really like the look of the full black housing of the t-mobile mda.
can you give me a link ot the phone you purchased on ebay. i cant find them anywhere.
the only threads ive seen about unlocking are around here. i belive they should be useful even if its an german mda mail but hey my offer is till up for a trade

Well, normaly i would trade my mda mail on you but you life in america and i in germany. We would have to pay taxes and so on.
But this is how you can get an total black mda:
1) visit ebay.de
2) type in mda mail
3) switch to "smartphones" at the left side
4) Check the offers and write some friendly email. Please also mention why yout want to buy the mda (because many people from other countries betray on german ebay)
Wait a few weaks.
back to topic:
So there is no free solution? Can anybody calculate the key (except for tmobile)? How much is the unlock usually?

generally its about 30-50USD...so whatever that comes out to be in Germany Im not sure, but it IS worth the money to get it done, it will cost alot of course to get it up and running, but it increases the re-sell value of the phone tremendously, so when you upgrade to a new phone in a couple o' years, you can sell it as "unlocked" and get anywhere from 20-30% more for it just because of that!

'a couple of years' good joke I use to change my phones all two months
Do i get an unlockcode or do i have to unlock my phone with a software?

most of the times you just get a code, but in VERY rare occasions they will give you a program...which if that is the case, you MUST upload it to the forum here....share the love my man!!! No but seriously, if it does come with a program, you really should hold onto it and upload it somehwere, it would make MANY phone users VERY happy!

all right... Does someone on this board sells codes? I think 50$ are a lot for a few numbers

yup, you need to PM a member called "jwocky2001" he sells unlock codes for 25USD a piece ussually

sure the name is "jwockey2001"? Can't find him with the search engine...

newdash said:
Well, normaly i would trade my mda mail on you but you life in america and i in germany. We would have to pay taxes and so on.
But this is how you can get an total black mda:
1) visit ebay.de
2) type in mda mail
3) switch to "smartphones" at the left side
4) Check the offers and write some friendly email. Please also mention why yout want to buy the mda (because many people from other countries betray on german ebay)
Wait a few weaks.
back to topic:
So there is no free solution? Can anybody calculate the key (except for tmobile)? How much is the unlock usually?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
thanks for the info on searching for the phone.
the main reason why i want that one is that it is full black. seems like a dumb reason but i like the way it looks.
maybe ill just look there for a black housing.

gah, sorry, its-jockyw2001...had it backwards heh

UK Release date / GSM exclusivity

Hey does anyone know if any networks are claiming exclusivity to the Touch Pro 2 in the UK and even when its likely to be with the different GSM companies.
My TyTnII is getting very worn down and I dont fancy buying a second SIM-free phone to get the Pro2 to replace it.

i am also (and for a looooong time) eagerly awaiting the answer to this question!
my kaiser looks like it got imported from the classic starwars era, or has just been fighting the taliban in afghanistan, call buttons are just red or green haphazard scratches and the windows start button...lol its not even there anymore!

Mobilegazette have it hitting t-mobile in the UK, Germany, Netherlands, Austria and Czech Republic in June.
Orange retentions UK, confirmed it's on their list of coming soon but no specific date.

O2 release
Any word on an o2 release as i cant see why it wouldnt but would be nice to know that i dont have to change networks to get it.
Then again o2 keep tight lipped on everything until it is actually released.

lets hope its not the same farse on tmobile that the MDA Vario 4 was.

chris10230 said:
Any word on an o2 release as i cant see why it wouldnt but would be nice to know that i dont have to change networks to get it.
Then again o2 keep tight lipped on everything until it is actually released.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I had a meeting with a sales rep from o2 the other day with a view to switch from Vodafone to o2 and he mentioned that they are looking at getting some updated HTC models in soon and whilst he couldnt give names he hinted at the diamond2 would be one and the pro2 may be another.
He also said that they put their devices through a long testing period before release so they can put their custom ROM in.

wibble said:
I had a meeting with a sales rep from o2 the other day with a view to switch from Vodafone to o2 and he mentioned that they are looking at getting some updated HTC models in soon and whilst he couldnt give names he hinted at the diamond2 would be one and the pro2 may be another.
He also said that they put their devices through a long testing period before release so they can put their custom ROM in.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Which means a release in late-2010 for upgrade customers over retentions. I am willing to put alot of money on this to be the case.

EViS said:
Which means a release in late-2010 for upgrade customers over retentions. I am willing to put alot of money on this to be the case.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah which is why im not holding out on O2 for anything with the Pro2.
At the moment I am considering taking the upgrade on orange to the touch HD, selling my original touch HD (bought sim free) and then buying the Pro2 sim free when it comes out.
What i want to do is have Orange announce the Pro2 then see what deal they can concoct to keep me on the network when I come to review my contract in a month or 2

wibble said:
Yeah which is why im not holding out on O2 for anything with the Pro2.
At the moment I am considering taking the upgrade on orange to the touch HD, selling my original touch HD (bought sim free) and then buying the Pro2 sim free when it comes out.
What i want to do is have Orange announce the Pro2 then see what deal they can concoct to keep me on the network when I come to review my contract in a month or 2
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It had better come out on o2 as i really dont want to switch to orange and really cant be arsed with the move to a new network, come on o2 and bring it to us earlier than 6 months after the full realease of the phone!

chris10230 said:
It had better come out on o2 as i really dont want to switch to orange and really cant be arsed with the move to a new network, come on o2 and bring it to us earlier than 6 months after the full realease of the phone!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I dont mind which network takes it - Orange would be less hassle for me as im already there but I just want a network to confirm it and put it on a coming soon page so i can plan leaving or working on getting a pre-order in

Phone will be out on orange later this month, maybe towards the end as it should not conflict with the launch of the omnia hd which is due this week, T Mobile will be getting the touch diamond with a view to picking up the touch pro 2 in july. Nothing on o2 or vodafone as of yet.

arvin1 said:
Phone will be out on orange later this month, maybe towards the end as it should not conflict with the launch of the omnia hd which is due this week, T Mobile will be getting the touch diamond with a view to picking up the touch pro 2 in july. Nothing on o2 or vodafone as of yet.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Arvin - have you got any press release or anything from Orange to back this up? Really want to see what they want to start pitching it at so i can work out what i do/dont want to spend with them!

HTC Touch Pro2 price and availability confirmed @ Clove (UK)

wibble said:
Arvin - have you got any press release or anything from Orange to back this up? Really want to see what they want to start pitching it at so i can work out what i do/dont want to spend with them!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
work for orange, its on coming soon page on our internal board.

i talked to HTC yesterday and got release date of 05.06 for the U.K and Germany.

Timossss said:
i talked to HTC yesterday and got release date of 05.06 for the U.K and Germany.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hope this is correct

thats what i got in writing from htc (without any commitment as observation of course). If we compare the time periord of release of the diamond and touch pro it was aprox.the same, so it could be true.

arvin1 said:
work for orange, its on coming soon page on our internal board.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Any idea how long internal coming soon turns to official coming soon/release. My commitment date on the contract just passed for my TyTnII and i am looking to upgrade ASAP!

wibble said:
Any idea how long internal coming soon turns to official coming soon/release. My commitment date on the contract just passed for my TyTnII and i am looking to upgrade ASAP!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
well the omnia hd went on mid april and its being launched this week now, the touch pro 2 came on around the same time frame and should land end of this month or begining of june. supplier problems hindered the launch of the omnia hd though , was meant to be last week so might have pushed the touch pro 2 back a bit

The Expansys website has been updated to say...
Availability: Normally less than 5 days
I sent an email to them asking if this is the case and when we can expect it to be release.
This is the reply...
Many thanks for your enquiry , please be advised that the Touch Pro 2 is out towards the end of June.
I hope this aint true.

Orange!

Does anyone else find Orange's email customer service enfuriating? I find they never actually read the whole email, just the first two lines. I was just enquiring about the Touch Pro2, whether it was replacing the discontinued Tohttp://forum.xda-developers.com/newthread.php?do=postthread&f=488uch HD and whether they had a release date in mind. Unfortunately before writing that I mentioned my contract was coming to and end and this was the reason I wanted to know about the phone.
Does anyone have any insight into the date of this phone release? I asked two weeks ago and a nice woman said she'd text me with any information and that it would be out within the next two weeks.
Then I rang yesterday and I was told there were never any plans to release the Touch Pro2 but that they were going to release the Diamond2. Just now I've had a reply stating
I am awfully sorry to advise that unfortunately this model is currently not available on Orange on the personal accounts and I am currently unable to confirm if and when it will become available on the Orange network.
I am able to confirm that HTC Touch Pro 2 phone is due to be released to Small Business customers only.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Raaar.

I asked Orange France for branded TP2. They don't have release date in France...
I want to change mobile provider but I wait the branded TP2 to have nice price offer...

[Q] Arc on Orange UK

Anyone have the new Arc on Orange?
Is it Orange branded? How much Orange software/games demos have they loaded it with and can you remove them?
Thanks in advance!

dude orange cripple their fones with the crap they stick on them which you cannot remove unless you root, im leaving them this month to get the arc on a diff carrier, but if you want to stay with orange my best advice would be to upgrade or get it via carphonewarehouse, phones4u or mobiles.co.uk, that way the handset comes unlocked and has no bloatware from manufacturers and will have firmware as its ment to be therefore will get updates far quicker

or reflash to the decrypted ROM in the development section

TheAptPupil said:
or reflash to the decrypted ROM in the development section
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
except of course you can't flash to the decrypted ROM cos the phones not rooted yet!..

StickyGeko said:
dude orange cripple their fones with the crap they stick on them which you cannot remove unless you root, im leaving them this month to get the arc on a diff carrier, but if you want to stay with orange my best advice would be to upgrade or get it via carphonewarehouse, phones4u or mobiles.co.uk, that way the handset comes unlocked and has no bloatware from manufacturers and will have firmware as its ment to be therefore will get updates far quicker
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
+1 on that.. always better to go unbranded - you will get more updates and quicker too..

well I had no problems reflashing my ROM on my Xperia X10 and I never rooted it. You just need to use the flash tool that is also in the Development section

TheAptPupil said:
well I had no problems reflashing my ROM on my Xperia X10 and I never rooted it. You just need to use the flash tool that is also in the Development section
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
SE have stated simlocked arcs will have locked boot loaders whereas sim free ala cpw p4u and mobiles.co.uk ones will all have unlocked or unlockable bootloaders which opens up the phone for further advancement with the devs

Thanks all for the comments.
I need to order via Orange - I have a couple of contracts with them and am due for upgrade. None of the retailers can get close to what they have offered me.
I currently have an Orange branded Desire - hence my original question.
I dont really want to flash it (yet) - so back to my original question;
Does anyone actually have an Orange branded Arc and what have they loaded on to it?

discos7u said:
Thanks all for the comments.
I need to order via Orange - I have a couple of contracts with them and am due for upgrade. None of the retailers can get close to what they have offered me.
I currently have an Orange branded Desire - hence my original question.
I dont really want to flash it (yet) - so back to my original question;
Does anyone actually have an Orange branded Arc and what have they loaded on to it?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
bit too early for people who buy direct from orange, the reason is that they havent released it yet... officially, i think its only available for upgrades right now

Orange stores were selling them from last Friday.

OK - well I'll have my Orange supplied Arc with me tomorrow.
So I'll report back and share the love (info) !

I'm waiting for one as well
the guy on the phone told me it should not be sim locked and branding is questionable, since Gingerbread is new, there's possibility it's not yet branded - only the startup logo..
let's see if it's truth

hnupek said:
I'm waiting for one as well
the guy on the phone told me it should not be sim locked and branding is questionable, since Gingerbread is new, there's possibility it's not yet branded - only the startup logo..
let's see if it's truth
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No way in he(( it's not branded. If you get it through the carrier, it's definitely got the branding!

I should have it today, will keep you posted
if it's branded, I will return it - I didn't mess with flashing yet, don't want to crash my phone ?

ok, finally got mine from Orange (Slovakia)
and the guy was right !!
no logo on chassis
no startup Orange screen
no Orange custom icons
no Orange menu
NOTHING !! It was worth, I saved 300€

Update:
Branded as expected...
-Boot screen
-Orange App Shop
-Orange Backup
-Orange Games
-Homescreen selector (choose between Orange and SE)
-Orange Maps
-Orange Plus
-Orange TV
-Orange Wednesday
-Orange Photo Upload
-Your Orange
Also has some games demos, but I suspect they might have been put on by SE - I was able to uninstall them.
In the (Orange branded) box:
-Arc (with Orange logo on rear) & battery
-USB cable/mains charger
-2 x screen protectors (1 fitted to the screen, 1 spare)
-8GB card (was already installed in the phone)
-Earphones
-HDMI cable
I presume this is SIM locked too... but what's the quickest/easiest way of telling?
(I only have Orange SIM cards in my household!)
FYI - This is Orange UK

wow... so I guess I got lucky - I heard they are going to brand Orange SK as well, but it takes time since Gingerbread's new (Froyo is branded here)

discos7u said:
I presume this is SIM locked too... but what's the quickest/easiest way of telling?
(I only have Orange SIM cards in my household!)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Find a mate that's on a different network and borrow their SIM?

@discos7u,
I'm interested to hear how the Orange-branded version seems to work. What have they nobbled?
Presumably there's no (wifi) tethering available (which I understand the unbranded versions have got)?
[I can probably then justify to myself that it's worth shelling out the extra cash for an unbranded version!]
Cheers!
mwardm

I upgraded my Orange contract from CPW last week, free phone on £30 pm contract. Ordered the phone last Thursday, delivered at home Friday. CPW are the only ones stocking the silver one which I think looks much better than the black/blue one.
Sent from my Xperia Arc using the XDA App