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Keylock turns off on SMS reception

Hi
on my new Orange SPV m2000, i configured the keylock to lock everything but the power on/off switch. But.. when i receive an SMS, an eMail or when Pocket outlook wants to connect to the GPRS network (and wants to show me the little bubble saying that i'ts about to do so) then the keylock is being turend off (=the SPV is being turned on) and i can use all the keys and the touchscreen.
since i often receive SMS when my phone is min my pocket, i don't really like this kind of behaviour..
doesn't anyone have this problem too? to me it seems like a basic windows mobile problem the way things are being made... or is it just a configuration fault of mine?
any help is appreciated...
cheers
pascal

Same prob with XDAII
Don't want to hijack your thread... but i'm having the same problem with SMS.
But also, every time i receive a phonecall, the phone unlocks, and does not lock itself again. So if i have the phone on silent, it unlocks in my pocket, and then my phone starts calling people by mistake until i lock it again.
I enabled the lock all buttons except power button option but this doesn't work. The only additional software i have running on the phone is TomTom2 and Towa's patch if that makes any difference. ROM ver 1.60.50.
Any solutions? I may otherwise have to get rid of my trusty XDAII otherwise
Thanks!

Sorry, I dont have a solution, but my phone does the same.
Its as if the phones were designed on a desk, and no one bothered to try them in the real world.
Ashby

Hmm... I don't have this problem on my XDAII and I don't think I ever had it. What ROMs are you XDAII peeps using? Standard UK O2 ROMs like me? (I'm up to 1.72 now.)
Wonder why my XDAII wouldn't have this problem but others might, unless it's a ROM problem.

This is a known problem with the Blue Angel, but not with the XDAII that I've heard of.

hi
i think there is alternative way to minimize problem. you can set your password for your phone, then when there is incoming call or message, even though it will unlock all button, but before you use it, the unit will ask you password. so at least you will not miss call anyone anymore.

I'm having the same problem with my Pda2k.
I've disabled all but the power button. And I do have a password on the device.
I've had the following scenarios happen;
Scenario 1:
Every time I receive an SMS, the device powers up, waits for the password - If I don't hear it it then proceeds to stay on and drain the battery.
It just doesn't seem to go back to sleep.
BTW - the unit gets very warm...
Scenario 2:
Even when I do hear it, I often find that the unit is frozen - ie I try to type in the password, the asterisks show on screen but it seems nowhere after that. I'm running Pocket Plus, which has had problems with HTC devices - but I'm not running the today plugin at the moment.
Soft Reset is the only option.
Tom

Yes, i think we are all in the same boat here. The problem is that the device wasnt designed to be in your pocket (I know.. I know.. Pocket PC). Problem being, on recieving sms/mms/call the gsm part of the device sends the wake siganl to the O/S, causing the device to power on.
The simple solution as mentioned above is to lock the keys (password) but again as mentioned this can cause alot of power loss because the device will not sleep if your leg keeps trying to enter the password (in your pocket). I'm guessing that why so many people tend to use the belt clips with these devices. :?
I'm sure it will be in the next feature request so that only the LED indicator will change and flash if chosen but until then we all have to look like geeks with belt clips.
If anyone knows of a registry hack or app that can stop the wake signal form annoying us all the please post. :shock:

Workaround
Hi there,
Same problem on my 9090. But I had this on my former crappy iPAQ 6340 too.
Here's a workaround which works for me:
Go to "Start -> Settings -> Sounds & Notifications"
then select tab "Notifications"
in the "Event"-dropdown select "Messaging: New text message" and uncheck "Display message on screen". Uncheck for "Phone: Voice mail" and "Phone: Missed call" too.
BTW: The warming device is just a feature: you don't have to buy a pocket hand warmer in winter!
Greetz,
Bofo

Or use a 3rd party software like the ones described here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=15573

Using a Blue Angel handsfree.

Here's the scenario.
I have my blueangel in my pocket.
It's off and the button lock is engaged so that it wont turn itself on accidentally. There's nothing I hate more than when it switches itself on in my pocket and goes berserk with random screen input.
My bluetooth headset is connected.
(I'm not even gonna start on how appaling the blue tooth on the blue angel is !!!!!, but that aside.....)
The phone rings and I press the answer buton on my headset to answer it.
The damn phone is now on in my pocket and the screen is active and receiving input during the call. Quite apart from anything else, there is a great big red END CALL button on the screen just waiting to be touched.
Assuming the call survives any problems, at the end of the call I have to get the phone out of my pocket to turn it off again because it wont turn itself off unless the activity timeout occurs which is not going to happen if the screen is being brused by anything in my pocket.
Is there some configuration or tool or utility or something that can detect when the phone is in handfree mode and disable screen input unless a certain button is pressed (like the green phone buton) and then switch the phone off again when the call is terminated ?

http://www.trancreative.com/nicestart.aspx
Have a look at this.
Im using it, and its the one that does the job best of them all out there, well in my opinion anyway

What about a case?
I had an alu one... no problem!

OK. I got NiceStart and had a play with it.
I think I have got it configured to work OK now.
Seems to solve most of the issues I raised.
I can't believe I had to get extra software to do that though.
I mean, it's not as if any of those probelms are either unforseeable or hard to solve.
It makes you wonder if the people who design these devices ever actually use them for real for any length of time.

The worst thing about it, is that i can buy a 1$ phone with a locking thats even better than this.
People have been screaming about this since the birth of WM, but M$ dont seem to be hearing this.
I have set Start->Settings->System->Button Lock-> Lock all ........power Button
Set a 4 digit password in NiceStart and mapped it to the 4 action buttons right under the screen.
Works great, but the screen will from time to time light up (M$ thing that it must do) to check the battery status. This cant be stopped in any way.

Turning off the phone but leaving GPS on. Is it possible?

I was wondering is it possible to switch off the phone but leave gps on?
I am using Artemis as GPS on my motorcycle. It is annoying when phone starts ringing while you ride. Because of my annoying girlfriend I missed two exits of a motorway before she stoped ringing .... and well GPS told me that I missed them after she stopped. Artemis is in my pocket so I can not look at the screen. Also I am not mad to hold a bike with 1 hand at 80mph+ to look at screen or reject the call by pressing a button(not duable in gloves any how) .

Can't you just switch off the phone via the Comm Manager? I can't imagine that this will affect the GPS Reception, since they have to be two different aerials and devices?!

ruscik said:
I was wondering is it possible to switch off the phone but leave gps on?
I am using Artemis as GPS on my motorcycle. It is annoying when phone starts ringing while you ride. Because of my annoying girlfriend I missed two exits of a motorway before she stoped ringing .... and well GPS told me that I missed them after she stopped. Artemis is in my pocket so I can not look at the screen. Also I am not mad to hold a bike with 1 hand at 80mph+ to look at screen or reject the call by pressing a button(not duable in gloves any how) .
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why turn phone off, cause its getting to hot...
there are two ways:
1. u can block the phone number for a while if you dont want to talk..
2. u shedule the phone for 3 times ringing it will take the call automaticaly..

drclooney said:
why turn phone off, cause its getting to hot...
there are two ways:
1. u can block the phone number for a while if you dont want to talk..
2. u shedule the phone for 3 times ringing it will take the call automaticaly..
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I'm in the same situaiton, use the Orbit GPS in my pocket, eaphone running to my ear when on the motorbike. Verbal TomTom is just enough. I just turn off the phone function in the com manager to stop calls. Works fine.

I do switch off my phone from comm manager and my GPS stops working at the same time.
Maby it's something with my MDA . Well I'll keep on trying.

ruscik said:
I was wondering is it possible to switch off the phone but leave gps on?
I am using Artemis as GPS on my motorcycle. It is annoying when phone starts ringing while you ride. Because of my annoying girlfriend I missed two exits of a motorway before she stoped ringing .... and well GPS told me that I missed them after she stopped. Artemis is in my pocket so I can not look at the screen. Also I am not mad to hold a bike with 1 hand at 80mph+ to look at screen or reject the call by pressing a button(not duable in gloves any how) .
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Is there anyway to just shut off the phone's radio so that everything else
such as BlueTooth, WiFi, Ifrd still stays active? I know that with certain
OS ROMs such as Dutty's WM6 v2 you can control each item without
affecting the other. If you used "flight mode" I think that would kill your
BT connection assuming you're using a BT GPS.

As i said, when i simply switch off the Phone in Comm Manager, no other device is affected, Bluetooth works fine, as well as GPS Reception and TomTom.

I got fed up of fumbling around, pressing the screen by accident when it was in my pocket and just ordered a Ram Mount Aqua Box for the bike so that I can see TomTom and use the touch screen as well:
http://www.ram-mount-uk.com/ram-hol-aq2.htm
There's a base that bolts on to one of the clipons on the triple clamp, with the arm joining the base and box. Not cheap, but it lets you do you what you need to with the phone and keeps it dry.
If you are looking at them, don't be tempted to get the smaller box though - the artemis will fit inside, but the surround on the touchscreen membrane means that you can't get to all of the buttons or the edge of the screen. Works an absolute treat with a pair of Shure E2C earphones which block out the road noise. Only downside it's a bit fiddly getting the helmet on and off.
Been looking at the Interphone too, basically a bluetooth headset for your helmet which will also double as a wireless intercom, but I think the jury's still out

fishes234 said:
I got fed up of fumbling around, pressing the screen by accident when it was in my pocket and just ordered a Ram Mount Aqua Box for the bike so that I can see TomTom and use the touch screen as well:
http://www.ram-mount-uk.com/ram-hol-aq2.htm
There's a base that bolts on to one of the clipons on the triple clamp, with the arm joining the base and box. Not cheap, but it lets you do you what you need to with the phone and keeps it dry.
If you are looking at them, don't be tempted to get the smaller box though - the artemis will fit inside, but the surround on the touchscreen membrane means that you can't get to all of the buttons or the edge of the screen. Works an absolute treat with a pair of Shure E2C earphones which block out the road noise. Only downside it's a bit fiddly getting the helmet on and off.
Been looking at the Interphone too, basically a bluetooth headset for your helmet which will also double as a wireless intercom, but I think the jury's still out
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Just the thing i want... which braket did you get ?? Im looking for one to fit a Suzuki GSF600 Bandit
Cheers

TDIPower said:
Just the thing i want... which braket did you get ?? Im looking for one to fit a Suzuki GSF600 Bandit
Cheers
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I got the bracket that bolts on to the clip-on clamp:
http://www.ram-mount-uk.com/ram-b-309-1.htm
I've got a thundercat which has clip ons rather than handlebars. If you've got standard handlebars rather than clipons then I would say a u bolt is the type of clamp you want.

Hi all, with regards to the gps function being 'turned off' when in flight mode. It just seems to be a quirk with the latest version of TomTom.
Managed to get around it tho
If you choose the 'inbuilt gps' from tomtoms menu then, in flight mode tomtom wont use the gps....bit daft eh!
If you choose 'other cabled' gps from tomtoms menu (com4) then tomtom will use the gps function whether you are in flight mode or not..
Hope that helps
Mick

HTC Tytn keeps switching to vibrate mode

Hi all,
Cooked a WM6.0 ROM for my Hermes using Pandora's kitchen a while back and I've been very happy with the result. The only two issues I've found:
- Two of the icons in the OEM\Today Icons - HTC Home Icons - Original folder were wrong, that was easy enough to fix...
- Phone keeps switching over to vibrate mode
Can't seem to figure out the vibrate thing, since it does not seem to occur for any particular reason. I'll set the phone up to go for a drive (cancel forwarding, enable blue tooth, disable wifi, make sure sound is on, and then lock phone) and then leave it in the case while driving. After some time it may or may not switch to vibrate. At that point hitting the voice dial button on the headset does not give me the beep to start talking making it a little difficult to use...
So just wondering what would cause the phone to switch to vibrate mode? Any thoughts? Thanks!

That happened to me when I had my wizard. I think it was a compatability issue with HTC home, which made the device to go to Vib everytime you sync it to PC. You might have to do a search on it and see if you come up with anything!

*UPDATED TITLE* Several Issues with Touch Pro 2 **

Okay I think I found another bug in the HTC sms program which I discovered today and wanted to see if its just me or anyone else. The other is hoping someone has a fix for a signal problem, and a solution for the third. I have the HTC EU Official ROM WinMo 6.5 with sense 2.1, and the phone is HardSPL.
1) I noticed today a bug in the HTC SMS program (I know who hasnt), but this doesnt seem to fall under anything I've read so far. Here the problem, When you click the contact icon on the slider bar it brings you to the flip contacts, when you click the contacts picture you go into their "profile" when you click the second sms icon here you can txt back and forth, now what I noticed is if you txt thru there when someone responds to a txt, the tone set (be it the default, or custom) doesnt ring completely. It rings for like a 1/4 of a second. I noticed this as I was txting a friend. Has anyone else have this or encountered this? This is completely different then not being notified of an incoming txt, but runs along the same possible reason why we dont get one.
2) I use a bluetooth 85% of the time, I have one major issue. I saw a possible fix, but I dont remember where or what site, but I dont know if its for this issue either. I normally keep my phone on my belt clip on the right side and the bluetooth on the right ear, but if I decide to move the earpiece to my left ear, the signal seems to get weak, and I start hearing crackling until; I move the earpiece back, or move the phone to the same side. Is there a cab or registry edit that improves the signal strength for this? I have two bluetooths, sony erricson and a Jabra V250, both have the same symptom.
3) Everytime I get a call or make a call, when I am talking the proximity sensor kicks in, which is fine, but everytime I move the phone away from my ear, thescreen isnt at the dialpad but at the black notification screen. I understand that if there was a txt, missed call event then thats fine, but when none of these exist its annoying. Is this by design or is this just something thats going to annoy me to hell and back?

Bumpy Bumpy...
Anyone?
Also I found I think another bug, I dont know if its been mentioned, if it has sorry, but has anyone realized that when the phone is on and at standby and the screen goes black that the volume keys still adjust the volume? I normally keep my phone in a leather case on my belt, and notice that when I bend down the buttons if hit will adjust the volume up or down, I ran into this by accident while bending down all of a sudden my phone vibrated briefly checked the phone and saw the volume was all the way down, thought maybe the screen was up and thats why it happened after the second time I tested it and sure enough you can adjust the volume. I know for a fact the Fuze never did that. Anyone else have this issue?

AngelDeath said:
Bumpy Bumpy...
Anyone?
Also I found I think another bug, I dont know if its been mentioned, if it has sorry, but has anyone realized that when the phone is on and at standby and the screen goes black that the volume keys still adjust the volume? I normally keep my phone in a leather case on my belt, and notice that when I bend down the buttons if hit will adjust the volume up or down, I ran into this by accident while bending down all of a sudden my phone vibrated briefly checked the phone and saw the volume was all the way down, thought maybe the screen was up and thats why it happened after the second time I tested it and sure enough you can adjust the volume. I know for a fact the Fuze never did that. Anyone else have this issue?
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I don't know that this is related to your symptoms above, but several TP2 owners (myself included) have experienced the fact that this model seems to be particularly sensitive to cases with stronger magnets in the clasp...the magnets are just strong enough to trigger the magnetic switches in the phone that register when you slide open the keyboard, or remove the stylus. It drove me nuts for a while trying to figure out why my phone seemed to keep randomly turning itself on in the case, especially right when I was first sliding it in/out. I had thought it was because there were hardware buttons still active even when the screen was dark, but some thorough experimenting/testing proved the issue was due to the magnets....a conclusion that was confirmed by several other users once I actually bothered to go looking online for a solution (....after I'd spent hours figuring it out for myself lol). So, it might be the cause of your screen coming on and then the volume buttons are just the first ones that get pressed by your particular case and/or posture.
Unforutuately, I doubt there's any possible connection between that and your other issues...

I know there isnt any connection with the other issues, I just didnt want to make another post and have XDA shoot me for it.
Also I know about the magnet interference I read up on that long ago, but thats not my issue. I thought that was it, but I can do the same thing while holding the phone in my hands. So the magnet in the holder does not apply. I can have the home screen up, hit the power button to blackout the screen and then hold the volume down key and it will lower the volume cause by holding it down the phone will vibrate, when I turn the screen on, the volume is all the way down.

AngelDeath said:
1) I noticed today a bug in the HTC SMS program (I know who hasnt), but this doesnt seem to fall under anything I've read so far. Here the problem, When you click the contact icon on the slider bar it brings you to the flip contacts, when you click the contacts picture you go into their "profile" when you click the second sms icon here you can txt back and forth, now what I noticed is if you txt thru there when someone responds to a txt, the tone set (be it the default, or custom) doesnt ring completely. It rings for like a 1/4 of a second. I noticed this as I was txting a friend. Has anyone else have this or encountered this? This is completely different then not being notified of an incoming txt, but runs along the same possible reason why we dont get one.
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You get a shortened notification if the phone thinks you are looking at the screen when the message comes in. It would be nice if this could be turned off, but that is why.

The Pro2 isn't necessary 100% at fault with the Bluetooth problem. It can be a combination with your handsfree earpiece too.
Every Jabra unit I own has always exhibited this problem with every HTC phone I have. The first time I bought a Jabra I remember reading in the manual about their recommendation to keep the phone and earpiece on the same side of the body to avoid "interference" (referring to the body??). And if I'm listening to music through A2DP, and I move the phone to the other side of the body, the music cuts out too.
I also have an old Sony Ericsson HBH-660 and it doesn't have this problem if I wear it on the other side of the body, so it's appears both HTC phones and Jabras emit a weaker bluetooth signal.

Mesquire said:
The Pro2 isn't necessary 100% at fault with the Bluetooth problem. It can be a combination with your handsfree earpiece too.
Every Jabra unit I own has always exhibited this problem with every HTC phone I have. The first time I bought a Jabra I remember reading in the manual about their recommendation to keep the phone and earpiece on the same side of the body to avoid "interference" (referring to the body??). And if I'm listening to music through A2DP, and I move the phone to the other side of the body, the music cuts out too.
I also have an old Sony Ericsson HBH-660 and it doesn't have this problem if I wear it on the other side of the body, so it's appears both HTC phones and Jabras emit a weaker bluetooth signal.
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My Sony Erricson is a HBH-GV435 And both the Jabra and the Erricson exhibit this behavior. I dont know where I read it, but I think there is a registry edit about improving the signal, unless it was something else and I read wrong, was hoping someone knew what I was talking about.
Zylograth,
I wouldnt want it turned off, if anything it should ring normally. And I think that maybe in connection to the possibility of the SMS alerts not coming in when the screen is off. I think its related somehow. But do you know where this shortened tone noticification is located?
But now what about the other behaviors? Anyone else have them?
The noticification screen is really starting to bug me with I move the phone away from my ear.