THE PDA2K is a TERRIBLE MACHINE!
SSSoo many bugs....
1) BLUETOOTH JUNK
Bluetooth (after their so called patch), still headset causes it to turn on repeatedly draining your battery in no time. So unless you are connected to a powersupply, the bluetooth headset is useless cause I have to turn off the bluetooth anyway (if I want battery). Yes, I know it's been discussed many times, it still amazes me everyday.
2) ALBUM MOVIE PLAYER DOESN'T WORK AFTER BLUETOOTH PATCH
yep, I've made many tests, clean hardreset machine with no bt patch = I can record video and playback video (MP4) with no problem. Now after installing the BT patch, clicking on the ALBUM app or clicking on PREVIEW after fliming a video in mp4 will freeze the machine for about 5 seconds, and then soft reset it automatically. I've hard reseted twice to check and it's obvious the BT patch ruins it. Mysteriously, it sometimes does work even after the patch. I just wanted to show off my machine today and got laughed at (with good reason!) by a P900 user.
3) CASE IS USELESS
The case that comes with the machine is a joke, it pressed all the buttons even if you almost don't touch the case. They should have left alittle padding. Locking the keys is a must.
4) MORE BLUETOOTH ISSUES
I get repeatable bizzare errors of "memory problems" with bluetooth, and I need to reset the machine (ain't it great?). I also got twice a message about my BT expired.. LMAO. more resets. I actually thing about mapping one of the primary front keys to do a soft-reset.
5) BUILT-IN FAX SOFTWARE IS RUBBISH
A friend of mine tried it numerous times with no success. At clubimate they told him it doesn't work properly. (So why the hell did they put it there?)
6) POWER BUTTON TOO NEAR THE STYLUS
Happened to me several times that when I try to pull out the stylus, it pressed the power button and poweroff the machine. (bad human engineering here)
7) MORE BLUETOOTH MANIA
Amazingly the BT Headset (I tried 3 different models) cannot function for voice recognition, recording or hearing prompts. Seems the driver doesn't support it. If it did, the voice recognition with my Logitech new headset could have been better. Car BT hands-free also don't work for anything else than strictly during a conversation. I almost purchased a Motoroal Handfree BT Car set because I thought I could also use to hear navigation with my GPS Navigation software. I can't gear prompts cause again, it only functions during the conversation, lously.
8) TERRIBLE MICROPHONE DURING CONVERSATION
I've had several people complaining about not hearing me at all while I use the PDA2K directly (no BT headset). I have to should and hold the machine funny close to my mouth. Oh, and setting the microphone AGC gain control to Enable, does NOTHING for increasing microphone sensitivity, it only works for voice recording/notes taking.
9) OK, SO AT LEAST SET THE MICROPHONE AGC ENABLE FOR NOTES TAKING RIGHT? WRONG!
For taking voice notes or recording conversation, setting the microphone to AGC is a must or else you will hear almost nothing. So you Enable it out of no choice... But OOPS.. Now you find out the Voice Recognition software (Both Microsoft Voice Command or Fonix Voice Central) will disable it back, voice recognition software don't work well with the AGC gain enable. So.. you have to choose here Notes taking? Or voice recognition?
I have the machine just about two weeks and already got tired of it. It is a game, it's not a professional machine that you can actually work flawlessly with. Like a delicate toy, far from being a sturdy trusted pocket pc. Don't get me wrong, I'm a gadget freak, and I am willing to 'eat it up and shut up' but this is just to much. I've had a Cassiopeia E-125 for 4 years !!!! And Wwoooff.. ONLY now I can truly appreciate the Casio, 4 years and worked perfectly even though I dropped it many times, slept on it once, hit it by mistake and so on. Never failed me, and I didn't even knew what the Reset button looked like!
I'm truly disappointed... You get many features, but you pay the price of total instability and absolutly horrible amature like support from the HTC guys. No matter how many bugs other can find on iPaqs such as the 6315, I doubt it can reach to the extent this machine has.
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Well, since 3 of your 9 are bluetooth and 1 is the case, I think that says good things for the phone that you couldn't come up with any more...
I have the Sprint PPC-6601, which is basically the same phone with no wifi, but with fast 'vision' internet access...
I notice the bluetooth issues too. I have the zenphone profilier, and only turn bluetooth on when I am actually using it, in the car, for instance...
Other than that, I haven't had your issues. Power button seems fine to me. Callers report hearing me loud and clear, and I can hear them extremely well (it's the first phone I've had that can be made 'too' loud...)
Fax/Album/Recording. Haven't tried the fax. I use Resco for Album and recording, as the internal apps are really just 'lite' programs.
For my money, this is a great phone, and I'm very happy. Will be 100% when the get bluetooth working properly..
- Regards,
Ben
ben1000 said:
Well, since 3 of your 9 are bluetooth and 1 is the case, I think that says good things for the phone that you couldn't come up with any more...
I have the Sprint PPC-6601, which is basically the same phone with no wifi, but with fast 'vision' internet access...
I notice the bluetooth issues too. I have the zenphone profilier, and only turn bluetooth on when I am actually using it, in the car, for instance...
Other than that, I haven't had your issues. Power button seems fine to me. Callers report hearing me loud and clear, and I can hear them extremely well (it's the first phone I've had that can be made 'too' loud...)
Fax/Album/Recording. Haven't tried the fax. I use Resco for Album and recording, as the internal apps are really just 'lite' programs.
For my money, this is a great phone, and I'm very happy. Will be 100% when the get bluetooth working properly..
- Regards,
Ben
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Actually, I found dozens of similar complaints at the clubimate forums (as well as here) In particular, the so many BT complaints, microphone. I've used WINCE ever since it was version 2 16-gray scal on an old casio with 8mb of ram (gee that's history), I just wish HTC could have made a good job of actually making all the features work. The potential is super, and I guess (and hope) that most of the bug can easily be fixed with a decent programmatical procedures. You'll see dozens of complaints at the clubimate forums, lots of disappointed customers. Only HTCs fault for not making enough QA (or some say none)
To use the fax you have to have it enabled by your mobile provider (if they provide it at all)
You sound frustrated....sell it now and move on... Oh thats right there is NOTHING else like it out there.
When they get the bluetooth issues solved (and Im sure they will) you can then rebuy it.
BlueTooth is going to stuck until Microsoft can integrate a decent stack into the OS. It shouldn't be the job of the phone manufacturer to have to do that.
But it should be their job to properly QA it prior to selling it to their customer base.
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I see all your issues and a load more. This device has the capability to be excellent. I hope that they fix the bugs promptly, and that the manufacturers take the bug fixes, and release appropriate updates shortly after.
Currently, O2 are sending out standard replies to all queries regarding this device (O2 XDA IIs) basically they say 'if you're not happy, send it back for a refund'. This is exactly the same as I got when I phoned them.
They keep offering to replace it, but that will not help to solve a software issue!
They did (eventually) fix most of the issues on the XDA II (although bluetooth still does not work correctly on that device either). I hope that the IIs gets the same treatment (with working bluetooth as well!)
Perhaps we should just ignore new releases, run 1 release behind... When the XDA 4 comes out, buy the 3, buy the 4 when they ship the 5 !!
We, the consumer are partly responsible for the manufacturers rushing products to market well before they are ready I suppose.
I checked out the reviews of the XDA IIs (and its friends) before I bought it, they did not have a bad word to say about it. All I can think is that the reviewers, either A) never even clapped eyes on the device, or B) never used it in anger, or C) were only allowed to review it if they said nice things about it. If I had seen a review that listed all the problems, then I would have waited a while --> and probably bought the Motorola MPx instead (which is probably just as bad, and ships with a *stupid* 32MB memory!!)
Nigel
I wish more companies were like Nebula-Electronics.com They released a freeview card 2 years ago, and have been improving upon the software ever since and offering it to customers for free. Their releases are spot on, they respond to bug reports, and they *beta* test the software with end users before they actually release the new version.
The nebula is is the best bit of software/hardware that I have ever bought... Unfortunately, most companies are not like nebula and simply move onto new hardware products without first having fixed the issues in old products.
Nigel
I bought a PDA2k from eXpansys USA, and was NOT able to repro the problem with the video camera. I was able to take video and play it back without any problems at all.
Perhaps you have a truly defective unit. Can you try returning it under warranty?
When the MPX finally ships, (which must be soon as Motorola have finally officially announced it last week and said it will be available to Asian markets this month and Europe Q1 2005) I think we're really going to see what a buggy device can be. I can't see that it's possible to run any software concurrently with wifi or bluetooth with only 32Mb of RAM and wm2003se taking up more than a third of that from bootup.
Still, the form factor is the appeal of the MPX and I can't wait to get one.
Hi all,
I got a G2 Bluetrek for my XDA2 and it worked pretty well. I have since upgraded to an XDA2s and it is not so good.
Pairing the device no problems but then it all goes wrong....I have noticed the following:
- when I switch the headset on in the morning it chimes over and over for 30 secs or so, during this time I cannot connect it to the phone. Once the chiming is over it connects fine.
- the volume I set never seems to stay, it always seems to jump to full loud at the start of a call - ouch my ears!
- the sounds quality can be fine but more often than not it is appauling! Noisy like a bad phone line and everyone I have talked to complains of major echos from my voice, even when I can hear them perfectly.
- somethimes the connection just gets lost by the phone for no reasons. Sometimes I see a headset symbol with a ? in the middle of it, other times the symbol has gone completely and there is no connection. After a random time it appears to reconnect again.
I am pretty sure the headset is ok - I have made sure it is fully charged etc etc.
I am wondering if others have had similar problems?
My XDA2s is a week old and came with the new O2 rom allready installed.
Cheers - Rich
Just took my G2 back to the store and compained about how crap it is. They replaced it with a new O2 (Bluetrek?) one for free - not bad after 8 months! Unfortunately initial impressions are that it is not that much better...
Wonder if I can update the bluetooth stack????
R
I've got a problem that I'd like to know if anyone else is experiencing.
I am running TomTom using a bluetooth gps receiver (instructions found on this site to get the damn thing to work in the first place, much appreciated). When this is all I am doing, everything is great, really fast, smooth. As I do a lot of long journeys, I notice that the position update starts slowing down the further I go, but this is still fine.
When I turn on my headset, I start to get a serious lag between my true position and where TomTom is reporting I am (I know which one to trust though, so I don't turn off the motorway a mile too late :wink: ). The starts slight, but then gets really stupid really quickly, resulting in the map being a mile or more out after a minute or two.
I have scoured this and other sites to see if anyone else is getting this problem and have so far found nothing. I have reverted to using a wire until I can get this solved.
The sound ports through to the headset fine, I can make calls, voice command works (most of the time). The headset is a BlueTrek G2, the GPS receiver I am not sure of as it came with no make or model number from eBay.
Could it be a memory issue? I generally have about 15MB program memory free. TT does drop out every once in a while but not in any pattern, whereas the lag issue always happens as soon as I connect the headset. Could it be the BT devices are operating on the same frequency (I have no idea if this is a rubbish suggestion, just something I thought of)
Does anyone know about this? Any suggestions greatly appreciated. In the meantime, I will be tied to my phone while driving.
TIA!
Alternative link found
Even though it looksl ike no one is looking at this I found another topic for this question.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=38141
Cheers anyway!
Well I sure hope there is atleast one person in this world that has my problem and has a solution.
I am a truck driver and own the Blue Parrot B150 Professional Headset. If you own one of these then you know how extremely good it is at voice quality. Most if not all calls sound like the person is sitting directly next to you. I went through 5 diferent headsets before coming to this one and discovering that there was a good bluetooth headset after all. It doesnt matter how noisy the environment is this headset will ALWAYS be loud and clear enough to let you enjoy your conversation...
BUT, if you own a Herm100 then you may be having a problem like I am. The official rom and the at&t official rom BOTH work perfectly with my headset. The moment the phone is turned on both devices connect and it never disconects as expected and I can answer calls with only the headset ALL day long. But the moment I try a WM6 rom ANY wm6 rom I can not for the life of me keep the devices connected and it is very irritating. I have to physically pick up the phone, take my eyes off the road while driving a 80,000 lb vehicle at 65mph on the highway, and ask it to use the headset. If a phone call comes in it only comes in on the 8525, unless I just happen to have ESP and realize a call is about to come in and hurredly ask the devices to reconnect before the call comes in. The instant the phone call is over the two devices lose their connection completely and the whole process starts over. Absolutely USELESS as a handfrees system.
I hate WM5 and love WM6. So, I want to know if I got a bad 8525 and need to toss it out and try a diferent phone or is there hope for this 8525 someday... I cant be answering my device with my hands and risking killing people.
Any help would be appreciated please.
Wow what an amazing amount of advice. I will try what post #2 has suggested and go back to WM5 since WM6 does not have a properly working BT stack...
Thanks
Which WM6 ROM did you try??
The VERY LATEST WM6 ROMs have fully working BT stacks.....try Black Majik.
mrvanx said:
Which WM6 ROM did you try??
The VERY LATEST WM6 ROMs have fully working BT stacks.....try Black Majik.
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Yeah your thinking just like I am. I just tried Majik about an hour ago and it was VERY nice but Im on Cingular 8525 and it messed up my keyboard buttons unfortunately. Hopefully one of these Hybrid roms everyone is making as of late will solve the broken bt. I managed to fix the bt headset not keeping its connection but every now and then BT will just completely turn off and you need to turn it back on. Cant believe MS went RTM with a broken BT stack...
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Yeah your thinking just like I am. I just tried Majik about an hour ago and it was VERY nice but Im on Cingular 8525 and it messed up my keyboard buttons unfortunately. Hopefully one of these Hybrid roms everyone is making as of late will solve the broken bt. I managed to fix the bt headset not keeping its connection but every now and then BT will just completely turn off and you need to turn it back on. Cant believe MS went RTM with a broken BT stack...
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The cingular keyboard fix cab file is kicking about on this board it is very well documented. Just download it and install and youl be fine.
mrvanx said:
The cingular keyboard fix cab file is kicking about on this board it is very well documented. Just download it and install and youl be fine.
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Yeah thanks mrvanx, I figured that out as well. I have to move into a new apartment today so I cant mess with this anymore. Once I am settled I will try going back to a WM6 rom and see if I cant fix all my issues.
Really like the Black roms look the most though so I might in the end be using them.
Hi all
Bought the above BT unit for my car and plant vehicles yesterday and thought I'd give you the heads-up on how it's going. I needed something that easily transfers between vehicles, so didn't want a wired solution.
Well, in a nutshell it's perfect for my use. The unit downloaded my phone book (792 contacts in 11 groups) in a matter of 15 seconds. I first paired with my Sg2 after a little bit of fiddling, I had to hold down the red and green buttons together first - nowhere in the supplied or online manuals does it say to do that first but, there ya go.
In use.....
1. Audio is extremely clear, although scrolling through the contact names with the centre dial is laborious and the robo-voice is pretty bad, but then again the voice dialling works great so there's really no need to use the scrolling method at all. For instance, I press the green button, the unit says " Who would you like to call", I say " Jane mobile" and voila, it dials instantly and extremely quickly. No errors.
2. Likewise with pickup of calls. The phone rings followed by the unit. I say "answer" and boom. Incidentally, if the caller is in your phonebook the unit says the name of the caller. Also, if you update your phone's contact list at any time, the Parrot automatically updates it's contact list to match the phone at the next time you turn on the Parrot and pair with your phone. Brilliant.
3. Using satnav ( CoPilot Live and a couple of others) the audio is sent out throught the Parrot automatically. The phone has priority over the satnav, naurally.
4. Using the music player, the audio also comes out through the Parrot. Not a great sound but good enough for most purposes, especially if you're listening to something like Tune In Radio. So if your listening, for example, to Tune In whilst running satnav at the same time, the radio dims for guidance audio then comes back up, and if the phone rings whilst your listening to the radio and using satnav, then they both dim until you finish your call.
Excellent stuff all round I reckon. By the way, I'm nothing to do with Parrot, but I think praise where praise is due.....
Using KL1 Frankenstein with stock kernel, courtesy of Intratech. Thanks bud. You ARE the man.
Greetings from sunny ( but darn wet and windy right now) Cornwall.
Regards
Phil