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I'm ready to upgrade/flash my Dash, but just wondering, what exactly is the upside of WM6? I'm happy to be an early adopter and all that, but what will I notice to be improved?
if you haven't read every thread posted here about wm6 then you aren't ready to install it yet.
there are quite a few important changes you need to make imediately after installing.
the main advantages for me are the email enhancements and xt9 staying off pemanently. it also looks prettier. windows live seems to work better as well.
oh and the early adopters downloaded and installed it a month ago
lafester said:
if you haven't read every thread posted here about wm6 then you aren't ready to install it yet.
there are quite a few important changes you need to make imediately after installing.
the main advantages for me are the email enhancements and xt9 staying off pemanently. it also looks prettier. windows live seems to work better as well.
oh and the early adopters downloaded and installed it a month ago
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Thanks! Could you be more specific about the e-mail enhancements?
you can view HTML e-mail.
canadian student said:
you can view HTML e-mail.
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Is that it? How about alert customization depending on the account or something?
I have the files on my PC ready to go but I'm still using WM5 because I don't want my device phoning Microsoft or T-Mobile with my IMEI or other information. While you can disable it, the idea that your device phone's home should be kind of scary to you. Also, its BETA. I don't want my phone going crazy while I am on the road and I need it most.
JAmerican
its more then just html but that is nice.
you have the option to send mail when you hit send instead of having to hit send/receive as well.
you can keep mail on the server when you delete off the phone.
delete is moved to the left softkey instead of having to go into the menu.
I'm using WM6 on two devices, and although I wouldn't go back to the previous version, WM6 is JUST LIKE WM5. It's just that the majority of the applications have something or another that makes it that much more usable.
What I mean is, there are quite a few little features (and a couple additional applications) that make it an "upgrade." It's just like how WM5 was an upgrade to WM2003. It isn't an upgrade as much as it's update, if that makes any sense...
I'm pretty sure WM6 doesn't "phone home" or anything. I imagine this would have been found out by this point.
installation process
But, it sounds like upgrading is a whole lot more complicated than just running RUU_Excalibur... on my unlocked T-Mobile Dash. I then have to do a bunch of other mysterious steps?
richy240 said:
I'm pretty sure WM6 doesn't "phone home" or anything. I imagine this would have been found out by this point.
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He's talking about the app on the t-mobile beta wm6 rom which sends an SMS to a UK number frequently thus running up a high phone bill. Once that app is uninstalled it appears to be ok.
indiekiduk said:
He's talking about the app on the t-mobile beta wm6 rom which sends an SMS to a UK number frequently thus running up a high phone bill. Once that app is uninstalled it appears to be ok.
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Ugh... What app is that?!? Gotta make sure I uninstall that one...
rocky2 said:
But, it sounds like upgrading is a whole lot more complicated than just running RUU_Excalibur... on my unlocked T-Mobile Dash. I then have to do a bunch of other mysterious steps?
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they aren't mysterious. they are all well documented here.
lafester said:
they aren't mysterious. they are all well documented here.
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But there isn't exactly a step by step guide, at least none I found on a search.
You could write one...
I am using WM6 since first HERMES build appear.
PRO
Faster
Nice grafic presentation
Some applets (office mobile for smartphone could be one)
Windows LIVE (but is also available ad WM5 add-on)
CON
Is at least a RTM bur still some beta's DLL and drivers are out, meaning unpredictable results with some appz
No big improvements, I am using smartphone notes and documents to go and I HAVE a better office sute, having even some PPT editing, nice word usability and formatting
Needs to be patched just to work normally
HTML e-mail works ONLY with exchange server 2007
Conclusion
The Excalibur HTC ROM is fast and stable (we are talking STABLE in terms of a windows system ). Documents to go is much better than WM6 office, no compatibility for both with office 2007 doc formats, nothing really improved having the WM6 Rom at this stage .
WM6 is a MS business to boost VISTA compatibility and exchange server 2005 sales (all important new features are available ONLY uif you use exchange server 2005)
From user point of view better graphic is the only real enhancement
WM6 really shines when you are a corporate user with Exchange 2007 airsync. You have stuff like rights management, sharepoint proxy, calendaring enhancements and better office integration (with lates office clients you can also use new formats). There is much more info on the M$FT website.
I install the black satin normal release but there isn't the Windows Update in System menu? I can install it with a cab file? Thanks Tony
Whatcha need Windows Update for do you suppose? M$ has no plans to deliver enhancements via this tool.
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Whatcha need Windows Update for do you suppose? M$ has no plans to deliver enhancements via this tool.
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With respect Sleuth, how do you know that is MS plan?
So whats the point of Windows Update tool then ?
It just doesn`t make sense.. They did it for fun ? Just to take storage space ?
MS update < XDA new ROM update!!
Why bother??
MS update was so manufactures didn't have to release new roms, just updates...
but as Penske MB says
MS update < XDA new ROM update!!
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Whatcha need Windows Update for do you suppose? M$ has no plans to deliver enhancements via this tool.
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not at the moment no... but the functionality is there for future updates... but as most ROM cooks use tadzio's tools which removes the buffers around files in the IMGFS using Windows Update could in fact turn your device into a brick if updates were pushed out...
bchau said:
With respect Sleuth, how do you know that is MS plan?
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Pretty common sense.
Microsoft has made it abundantly clear on more then 1 front that they have zero interest in maintaining Windows Mobile and only release OS updates to keep people off the other platform devices.
MS doesn't care about updating phones and doesn't care about making activesync function correctly.
Mark my words... Windows updates on these devices will ALWAYS be useless.
GldRush98 said:
Pretty common sense.
Microsoft has made it abundantly clear on more then 1 front that they have zero interest in maintaining Windows Mobile and only release OS updates to keep people off the other platform devices.
MS doesn't care about updating phones and doesn't care about making activesync function correctly.
Mark my words... Windows updates on these devices will ALWAYS be useless.
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if they didnt care then they wouldnt have developed the functionality in the first place and left the updating to the carriers... Windows Update was/is designed to update Core OS and M$ Products only...
GldRush98 said:
Pretty common sense.
Microsoft has made it abundantly clear on more then 1 front that they have zero interest in maintaining Windows Mobile and only release OS updates to keep people off the other platform devices.
MS doesn't care about updating phones and doesn't care about making activesync function correctly.
Mark my words... Windows updates on these devices will ALWAYS be useless.
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Thanks for your personal opinion. I was after the hard facts though.
bchau said:
Thanks for your personal opinion. I was after the hard facts though.
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Good answer. I also wonder how certain people come to their "firm" opinions or even "knowledge" about what MS "plans" and his in mind.
My hard facts come from M$ at MEDC 2007. When asked whether they planned on delivering Mobile Office 2K7 via Windows update I was told that the windows update mechanism itself was "only for critical security related patches"...
We'll need windows update when the first virus hits I suppose...
Hello ,Bchau,
I was hoping you could tell me where you dowloaded the new buttonflo rom I also have a Jasjam and with Telstra Next g and at present running Black 3.1
Regards
Charlie
Chasap said:
Hello ,Bchau,
I was hoping you could tell me where you dowloaded the new buttonflo rom I also have a Jasjam and with Telstra Next g and at present running Black 3.1
Regards
Charlie
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why don't you PM him instead of going off topic?
Windows Update will be used very soon to distribute an updated version of IE to WM6 users. And for those of you that have your doubt... let's just say I know someone who's testing its functionality now.
walshieau said:
if they didnt care then they wouldnt have developed the functionality in the first place and left the updating to the carriers... Windows Update was/is designed to update Core OS and M$ Products only...
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But it will never happen.. How long has the Hermes been out for, and have you EVER seen ANY update?
Thats what I thought..
Theres more "updates" on this forum than u would ever need through this useless tool anyway
very true!!! wont see a windows update on the hermes or any device that has it.....
ive had the blackjack since day 1 and there was the BJ II and the Epix and still didnt see any updates whatsoever....so after 2 generations of the blackjack (i count the epix as one ahahah) i dont think they are ever going to release one for it.
So for the hermes im pretty sure its not going to happen.
Like they said XDA developers is your update tool (if you can call it that) because the winmo builds (beta) are constantly updated here through various rom releases.....
i saw on a few sites that windows mobile 6.2 is out...
is it true?
eliran9 said:
i saw on a few sites that windows mobile 6.2 is out...
is it true?
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Which sites?
eliran9 said:
i saw on a few sites that windows mobile 6.2 is out...
is it true?
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is out? where did he/it/she go?
Great to hear it
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=wm+6.2+Hermes&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=:eek:
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i saw on a few sites that windows mobile 6.2 is out...
is it true?
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No, if something as big as WM6.2 was coming out it would be allover the tech news ect.
Theres some fake BlueAngel "WM6.2" builds, that are just hex edits of early WM6.1 builds.
http://www.dcellphone.com/windows-mobile-7-delayed-and-windows-mobile-62-update.html
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http://www.dcellphone.com/windows-mobile-7-delayed-and-windows-mobile-62-update.html
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WM6.1 already has Flashlite in newer builds, and a improved IE.
And anyway, that site looks hardly trustworthy.
there is a new ie coming out but nothing revolutonary. i read on modaco i think
yep
http://www.modaco.com/content/windows-mobile-news/272811/windows-mobile-7-delayed/
WM6.2 is an update to WM6.1 to add some feature because of the delay of release WM7.
http://venturebeat.com/2008/09/26/w...w-seriously-delayed-could-be-as-late-as-2010/
I'm more than ready for a WM6.2 with an improved IE memory usage, etc.!
THe sooner the better!
i always wanted to make my own software. thou i'm not an expert programmer but i do have a little background of it.
i have this compiler installed called visual studio 6.0 (i have attached a screenshot)
my question is, how can i use that to create applications for my windows mobile.?
do i need a library or SDK for that.? can you help were can i download it.?
i already tried searching but most results refers to the latest visual studio which i don't have. i know that my compiler is a bit old.
im planning to use visual basic. please help me.
Sorry, it's of no use. The minimum requirement is VS2003, but this could only target WM2003 WM2003SE.
VS2005/2008 improve on it, and can be made backwardly compatable. The only VB tool that MS provided gratis, was Embedded Tools 3.0,which is both VB and eVC++ 3.00.
This was originally released in 2002. I think MS have now pulled it from their download sites, but there are other sites hosting it on the web if you search for it.
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Sorry, it's of no use. The minimum requirement is VS2003, but this could only target WM2003 WM2003SE.
VS2005/2008 improve on it, and can be made backwardly compatable. The only VB tool that MS provided gratis, was Embedded Tools 3.0,which is both VB and eVC++ 3.00.
This was originally released in 2002. I think MS have now pulled it from their download sites, but there are other sites hosting it on the web if you search for it.
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thanks for the reply. it does enlighten me
if you're just about to begin developing I'd rather wait until the dev. SDKs for WP7 are becoming available. Everything you do now is subject to change, in case you want to develop for the newest OS.
if you still want to develop for WM 6.x then go ahead with VS 2005/08. Then on top of VS you also need to install a dev. SDK i.e. WM 6 Prof. SDK if you want to develop for touch screen devices.
RAMMANN said:
Then on top of VS you also need to install a dev. SDK i.e. WM 6 Prof. SDK if you want to develop for touch screen devices.
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what do you mean.? is that an add-on for the compiler.? is that available for download.?
Similya said:
what do you mean.? is that an add-on for the compiler.? is that available for download.?
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yes.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...3A-A651-4745-88EF-3D48091A390B&displaylang=en
again on top of that, you can install the SDK for 6.5
I guess now you're completely confused
Use Basic4ppc instead.
Really simple and powerful IDE
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yes.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...3A-A651-4745-88EF-3D48091A390B&displaylang=en
again on top of that, you can install the SDK for 6.5
I guess now you're completely confused
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thanks buddy, i'll try it after i'll buy the visual studio installer.
I guess now you're completely confused
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yeah right im confused hehehehe
WhiteRussianBC said:
Use Basic4ppc instead.
Really simple and powerful IDE
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thanks you also buddy, i just downloaded the trial, i'll try it.
Similya said:
thanks you also buddy, i just downloaded the trial, i'll try it.
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I guess this won't work on WP7 so better get off to (in your case) Visual Basic.
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I guess this won't work on WP7 so better get off to (in your case) Visual Basic.
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well im using wm6.5 and it worked fine
is there a thread here about basic4ppc.? i have problem getting around some command, like fullscreen and IF.
im still searching for solutions. . .
After seeing Cotulla's tweet on the WP7 WML I was wondering if we could get some status, release timeline, anything...
EnderPsp said:
After seeing Cotulla's tweet on the WP7 WML I was wondering if we could get some status, release timeline, anything...
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Just wait...
jessenic said:
Just wait...
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We are, that's the problem
My only question regarding this loader is if we'll be able to use the GPS and run Garmin Mobile XT... cause that's the only thing that's stopping me from installing WM7 on my HTC HD2. I figure XT will be able to run with this, but... Let us wait.
What exactly are you intersting?
Btw it's called Windows Mobile Launcher, not loader
Cotulla said:
What exactly are you intersting?
Btw it's called Windows Mobile Launcher, not loader
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Oh hello there Cotulla! I'm not asking for any ETAs, but how do you do that? Do you put the exes and dlls and stuff in \Windows\ or in another directory and then run and make them ignore the original WP7 ones? My theories
right no ETAs.
no, it's not it's paravirtuliazion. In other words WM runs almost like usual application inside WP7
Nice. We can launch WinMob 6.X "on wp7" and start apps for WM 6.X ?
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What exactly are you intersting?
Btw it's called Windows Mobile Launcher, not loader
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ROFL, my bad. But it does load old programs and makes 'em run under WP7.
The only program that has good routable maps for my country (Argentina) is Garmin Mobile XT, that's why I'd mainly use your launcher to run that app... and finally install WP7 on my HTC HD2.
Thanks for all the hard work you put into developing this kind of stuff, Cotulla.
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Please Dont ask for ETAs. This just annoys the developers. Just appreciate there work!!
Also, only post development threads in this section.