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Will we see WM6 for HTC Trinity ?!

Everybody these days is discussing the upcoming GPS ROM for our favorite Trinity, but the next question is: will a new ROM come out to upgrade our baby to the newly announced Windows Mobile 6.0 ?

WM6?
mo7al said:
Everybody these days is discussing the upcoming GPS ROM for our favorite Trinity, but the next question is: will a new ROM come out to upgrade our baby to the newly announced Windows Mobile 6.0 ?
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Will keep my fingers crossed and hope for it ... On the Himalayas & Blue Angels which started off as WM2003, there are ROMS (unofficial) for WM2003SE, WM5 (latest AKU 3.5) while on the Magician it has always stuck on WM2003SE.
So in short, pray hard. I will join you in praying as I would love to have WM6 on my trinity as well ;-)
PS : Now we got the GPS to work on the trinity, any luck to 'enable' the FM radio as well? There has been speculation on the FM Radio being available on the Trinity. :-D that would make this one of the most feature packed PPC on earth ..

I agree. I don't see Trinity's successor being released anytime soon so they should just go ahead with keeping their latest phone up to date.
As for the FM radio, hell yeah, if it's there, why the hell not enable it? Oh, wait, don't tell me... is the FM radio conflicting with the Bluetooth?

i do also keep my fingers crossed!!

forcedalias said:
I agree. I don't see Trinity's successor being released anytime soon so they should just go ahead with keeping their latest phone up to date.
As for the FM radio, hell yeah, if it's there, why the hell not enable it? Oh, wait, don't tell me... is the FM radio conflicting with the Bluetooth?
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if we can DUMP an original Hong Kong ROM from Trinity we can make a FM Radio test with European or American version

mo7al said:
Everybody these days is discussing the upcoming GPS ROM for our favorite Trinity, but the next question is: will a new ROM come out to upgrade our baby to the newly announced Windows Mobile 6.0 ?
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I can create WM6 Rom for Trinity! But now mamich tools work incorrectly with Hermes & Trinity!
addfile.exe not working with Trin & Herm

lvsw said:
I can create WM6 Rom for Trinity! But now mamich tools work incorrectly with Hermes & Trinity!
addfile.exe not working with Trin & Herm
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Where did you get the build files? Is there an image for the windows device emulator too?
edit: Found it!
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...74-18b7-4af8-9fe1-0de049b6b3e9&DisplayLang=en

lvsw said:
I can create WM6 Rom for Trinity! But now mamich tools work incorrectly with Hermes & Trinity!
addfile.exe not working with Trin & Herm
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Would be great!

greatsokol said:
Would be great!
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Would be great if mamaich create new build "mamich tools" with new addfile.exe
Without new version addfile.exe I can't create new FirWare

Floriz said:
Where did you get the build files? Is there an image for the windows device emulator too?
edit: Found it!
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...74-18b7-4af8-9fe1-0de049b6b3e9&DisplayLang=en
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I think theres a fair chance of a WM6 tom given that the Trinity is reasonably new, from all accounts there is no Trinity successor on the horizon, and with all their variants im sure the Hermes/Trinity will recieve user-made WM6s.
Fingers crossed anyway.

Fingers crossed for all that bought it sure, but there ARE trinity/tytn successors in the horizon.
For example look for HTC Kaiser, a thinner Tytn with GPS (i.e. everything that tytn and trinity is now).

Don't expect an official update. This is the reply I received from HTC:
Thank you for your enquiry concerning the HTC P3600 mobile device.
Unfortunately we will not upgrade our current devices to include the Mobile 6 software.? However, there will be new devices out which will include the software.
Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at Http://www.europe.htc.com/support/cs_by_phone.html
Best regards,
HTC Support
[email protected]
http://www.htc.com

quite strange! Microsoft annunced yesterday WM6 saying it will be possible to upgrade some "old" devices like t-mobile dash with WM6!

The question is: when will they release an official P3600 successor?
And how much it will cost. And if it is worth waiting for it.

Tytan you are not very long in the PocketPC world eh?
"possible to upgrade" doesn't mean "the vendor will do it"
same happened in the past (more than once)

Well ... if they in fact do not release a WM6 update for the D810, then it will only hamper their sales in Australia, seeing that they only released the D810 on Jan 16th (1 month ago). So, as new WM devices are released with WM6, it will make it hard to compete if they do not provide a WM6 update ... regardless of all the functions this puppy has.

ZakMcRofl said:
The question is: when will they release an official P3600 successor?
And how much it will cost. And if it is worth waiting for it.
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We have already talked about that. Look at google.

Couple of announcements started coming out from 3GSM on upgrades, Imate to upgrade a few, Palm to upgrade Treo, nothing from HTC so I doubt it.
I've found HTC to be follower not a leader in these type of things, same goes for their products, they are only inavative if they have to be. I guess if enough people complain and they get enough bad rap they might but from everything I've seen with HTC, they couldn't give to <fill in any explicit word here> about their customers.
Doesn't matter, Trinity will tied me over until some of those new Imate devices come out, if they live up to the specs coming out of 3GSM, there will be some pretty amazing devices, I can't want to see the clamshell one, hope it comes in HTC killing black as well as gold

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http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...47-6e06-4a0c-8cac-ca7d4c09cb56&DisplayLang=en

Here's what HTC say about WM6

Asked HTC about WM6 for my tytn this morning and here's what they say:
Good Morning,
Thank you for contacting HTC Europe regarding a query about ROM update.
We are currently awaiting an official response from our Head Office on the matter of ROM updates from Windows Mobile 5.0 to Windows Mobile 6.0. We hope to have an answer for you soon.? Please contact us again in a few weeks and we may be able to give you an update.
Thank you for your enquiry, Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/cs_by_phone.html
Regards,
HTC European Support team
callserv[email protected]
HYPERLINK "file://www.htc.com"www.htc.com
How awesome is that?! Lets hope they say yes!!

perhaps, but unlike others at least they're talking about it.

maninwhitecoat said:
Asked HTC about WM6 for my tytn this morning and here's what they say:
Good Morning,
Thank you for contacting HTC Europe regarding a query about ROM update.
We are currently awaiting an official response from our Head Office on the matter of ROM updates from Windows Mobile 5.0 to Windows Mobile 6.0. We hope to have an answer for you soon.? Please contact us again in a few weeks and we may be able to give you an update.
Thank you for your enquiry, Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/cs_by_phone.html
Regards,
HTC European Support team
[email protected]
HYPERLINK "file://www.htc.com"www.htc.com
How awesome is that?! Lets hope they say yes!!
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Was just about to post this myself

I think the crux of the matter will be, will it cost HTC anythin to supply a WM6 rom for existing devices? It will cost a bit in development, but would they have to pay MS for licensing?
I'm sure the answer is yes - so they wont do it.
Call me a pessimist if you like . . . Im relying on a clever rom cooker out there!
Rob

maninwhitecoat said:
Asked HTC about WM6 for my tytn this morning and here's what they say:
Good Morning,
Thank you for contacting HTC Europe regarding a query about ROM update.
We are currently awaiting an official response from our Head Office on the matter of ROM updates from Windows Mobile 5.0 to Windows Mobile 6.0. We hope to have an answer for you soon.? Please contact us again in a few weeks and we may be able to give you an update.
Thank you for your enquiry, Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/cs_by_phone.html
Regards,
HTC European Support team
[email protected]
HYPERLINK "file://www.htc.com"www.htc.com
How awesome is that?! Lets hope they say yes!!
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Did anybody notice that only htc vox from three new handsets (forth one has been removed from htc site) presented at 3GSM has wm6 preinstalled. I think that htc will do an upgrade of some handsets with wm5. Let's hope I'm right!
cheers

HTC released upgrades for exisiting devices from PocketPC 2003 to WM5 and is busy on other devices for update to WM6, also from WM5 to WM6 'so it could be possible that the TYN gets one from WM5 to WM6.
*fingers crossed*

Maarten_NL said:
HTC released upgrades for exisiting devices from PocketPC 2003 to WM5 and is busy on other devices for update to WM6, also from WM5 to WM6 'so it could be possible that the TYN gets one from WM5 to WM6.
*fingers crossed*
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as far as i know htc never released any OS upgrades... and i've had htc devices since the XDA 1.

Why are we all excited for WM6? They can't even get WM5 right on this device!

I dont see any reason to wait for WM6. With WM5 works solid, and i dont see any changes from WM5 to WM6!! Changes of OS from one year, are not enough from Microsoft.

dodadent;1141193 said:
I dont see any reason to wait for WM6. With WM5 works solid, and i dont see any changes from WM5 to WM6!! Changes of OS from one year, are not enough from Microsoft.
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Well for one, the email client is supposed to be better, also PIE has some updates, but the biggest thing for me is that I spend hours a day behind a remote desktop session from my TyTN, and the client in WM6 is so much better from what I have read, clipboard support..no more transferrin docs to retrieve text....also its supposed to have sound support also...I run streaming media services, and being able to preview audio before I encode it etc..that would be incredibly helpful. And also when you don't rewrite an OS completely you build upon it, work out bugs, and add improvements, plus I guess if you only talk on your device...its not gonna be much different.
I tend to see some people sayin the same thing about the PC OS's, its like they expect a whole new experience with each OS.
When you completely redo the OS everytime you only tick off software designers, There are improvements there, just take the time to look.

i agree, heavy users of their devices will have huge amounts of program data running at one time, (i do) and sometimes it lags, other times it fails to load new programs. I read that the memory paging was better in WM6 than it is in WM5 so lets hope so!

Here's sort of a kick in the pants. Check out what the article says about HTC and WM6. Hmm...http://www.pocketpcmag.com/mobile/webguide.asp

WM6 vs. WM5

I'm ready to upgrade/flash my Dash, but just wondering, what exactly is the upside of WM6? I'm happy to be an early adopter and all that, but what will I notice to be improved?

if you haven't read every thread posted here about wm6 then you aren't ready to install it yet.
there are quite a few important changes you need to make imediately after installing.
the main advantages for me are the email enhancements and xt9 staying off pemanently. it also looks prettier. windows live seems to work better as well.
oh and the early adopters downloaded and installed it a month ago

lafester said:
if you haven't read every thread posted here about wm6 then you aren't ready to install it yet.
there are quite a few important changes you need to make imediately after installing.
the main advantages for me are the email enhancements and xt9 staying off pemanently. it also looks prettier. windows live seems to work better as well.
oh and the early adopters downloaded and installed it a month ago
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Thanks! Could you be more specific about the e-mail enhancements?

you can view HTML e-mail.

canadian student said:
you can view HTML e-mail.
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Is that it? How about alert customization depending on the account or something?

I have the files on my PC ready to go but I'm still using WM5 because I don't want my device phoning Microsoft or T-Mobile with my IMEI or other information. While you can disable it, the idea that your device phone's home should be kind of scary to you. Also, its BETA. I don't want my phone going crazy while I am on the road and I need it most.
JAmerican

its more then just html but that is nice.
you have the option to send mail when you hit send instead of having to hit send/receive as well.
you can keep mail on the server when you delete off the phone.
delete is moved to the left softkey instead of having to go into the menu.

I'm using WM6 on two devices, and although I wouldn't go back to the previous version, WM6 is JUST LIKE WM5. It's just that the majority of the applications have something or another that makes it that much more usable.
What I mean is, there are quite a few little features (and a couple additional applications) that make it an "upgrade." It's just like how WM5 was an upgrade to WM2003. It isn't an upgrade as much as it's update, if that makes any sense...
I'm pretty sure WM6 doesn't "phone home" or anything. I imagine this would have been found out by this point.

installation process
But, it sounds like upgrading is a whole lot more complicated than just running RUU_Excalibur... on my unlocked T-Mobile Dash. I then have to do a bunch of other mysterious steps?

richy240 said:
I'm pretty sure WM6 doesn't "phone home" or anything. I imagine this would have been found out by this point.
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He's talking about the app on the t-mobile beta wm6 rom which sends an SMS to a UK number frequently thus running up a high phone bill. Once that app is uninstalled it appears to be ok.

indiekiduk said:
He's talking about the app on the t-mobile beta wm6 rom which sends an SMS to a UK number frequently thus running up a high phone bill. Once that app is uninstalled it appears to be ok.
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Ugh... What app is that?!? Gotta make sure I uninstall that one...

rocky2 said:
But, it sounds like upgrading is a whole lot more complicated than just running RUU_Excalibur... on my unlocked T-Mobile Dash. I then have to do a bunch of other mysterious steps?
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they aren't mysterious. they are all well documented here.

lafester said:
they aren't mysterious. they are all well documented here.
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But there isn't exactly a step by step guide, at least none I found on a search.

You could write one...

I am using WM6 since first HERMES build appear.
PRO
Faster
Nice grafic presentation
Some applets (office mobile for smartphone could be one)
Windows LIVE (but is also available ad WM5 add-on)
CON
Is at least a RTM bur still some beta's DLL and drivers are out, meaning unpredictable results with some appz
No big improvements, I am using smartphone notes and documents to go and I HAVE a better office sute, having even some PPT editing, nice word usability and formatting
Needs to be patched just to work normally
HTML e-mail works ONLY with exchange server 2007
Conclusion
The Excalibur HTC ROM is fast and stable (we are talking STABLE in terms of a windows system ). Documents to go is much better than WM6 office, no compatibility for both with office 2007 doc formats, nothing really improved having the WM6 Rom at this stage .
WM6 is a MS business to boost VISTA compatibility and exchange server 2005 sales (all important new features are available ONLY uif you use exchange server 2005)
From user point of view better graphic is the only real enhancement

WM6 really shines when you are a corporate user with Exchange 2007 airsync. You have stuff like rights management, sharepoint proxy, calendaring enhancements and better office integration (with lates office clients you can also use new formats). There is much more info on the M$FT website.

Running Windows Mobile In Nokia N770

Hi to everytody,
This is the firs time I write in this forum, but there is a long time ago that i read all your interesting and wise posts
I have recently changed my pda for a nokia n770, and I would like to know if is possible to make this device work under windows mobile, 'cos linux does not like me too much.
Is there any available rom for this device?
If so, how can I install it?
Many thanks in advance, and my congratulations for you all.
Regards.
CArlos

Absolutlely impossible
No drivers, no software - nothing.

Really?
But if I have seen in You Tube a video where this machine is running under windows xp....
And is there no way to load in any other rom from another pda?
many thanks and I apologize if I have said any nonsense... (my aknowledgements are very limited in this matter)
regards.

dunno about xp - but anyway it is much more possible than n770 running Windows Mobile

it was prob a nokia running remote desktop software

Don't believe everything you see on uTube.
As Redugar suggested it could have been remote terminal software, or a skin that made the device resemble XP or a fake video all together.
According to PC Magazine this device has an OMAP processor (official Nokia site does not provide that detail) so in theory it is similar to our phones.
But if you have truly read this site before you would know that this was asked and discussed many times: Window Mobile can not be installed on a device that was not designed for it.
There must be at least one original version of WM specifically made by the manufacturer for that device.
Only from that it might be possible to make upgrades but not create a version from scratch.

ok,
I read some time ago something regarding the prebootloader system..., that this kind of devices that runs under linux does not have (or it's different)... is this certain?
Anyway, I thought that somebody in this forum might be developed a tool to load this room, but in any case, I repeat that I'm just learning about this devices... in fact is my first one mobile pc running linux...
Many thanks.

i dont belive that any nokia phone run linux at all their use their own os called symbian

Rudegar said:
i dont belive that any nokia phone run linux at all their use their own os called symbian
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Believe it That's their new safety line off Symbian without stepping into WM.
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5409534614.html
While they may have the most say in Symbian, but I won't say it is 'their own OS'
Anyway, it is a pity that all these phone companies with Linux OS doesn't seems to be doing much to join forces in any other way. Motorola has some good histroy with their Linux OS.. and yet this Nokia is doing things all their own way.. which well, I'm not sure how that will divide the public developers. Anyway, I had a look at this N770.. it is not that impressive.

"but I won't say it is 'their own OS' "
yeah it started up as a group of mobil companys but dident
everybody else leave the group ?

Rudegar said:
"but I won't say it is 'their own OS' "
yeah it started up as a group of mobil companys but dident
everybody else leave the group ?
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Hmmm.. now you mentioned.. it seems quite true.. now, as far I can think of, for non Nokia phones, only SonyE's P9xx series is using it, huh?

İt says;
Software:
Operating system -- Internet Tablet 2005 software edition
İt s not talkin about linux, symbian possible by the way Rom upgrade impossible on this device because it cant be connect on active syn, and I dont think so that it has bootloader menu to flash WM6..

Nokia n770 (and n800) runs Maemo. For more info check out: http://maemo.org/.
The nokia n770/800 isnt a pda but an internet tablet.

DFT WML status

After seeing Cotulla's tweet on the WP7 WML I was wondering if we could get some status, release timeline, anything...

EnderPsp said:
After seeing Cotulla's tweet on the WP7 WML I was wondering if we could get some status, release timeline, anything...
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Just wait...

jessenic said:
Just wait...
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We are, that's the problem

My only question regarding this loader is if we'll be able to use the GPS and run Garmin Mobile XT... cause that's the only thing that's stopping me from installing WM7 on my HTC HD2. I figure XT will be able to run with this, but... Let us wait.

What exactly are you intersting?
Btw it's called Windows Mobile Launcher, not loader

Cotulla said:
What exactly are you intersting?
Btw it's called Windows Mobile Launcher, not loader
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Oh hello there Cotulla! I'm not asking for any ETAs, but how do you do that? Do you put the exes and dlls and stuff in \Windows\ or in another directory and then run and make them ignore the original WP7 ones? My theories

right no ETAs.
no, it's not it's paravirtuliazion. In other words WM runs almost like usual application inside WP7

Nice. We can launch WinMob 6.X "on wp7" and start apps for WM 6.X ?

Cotulla said:
What exactly are you intersting?
Btw it's called Windows Mobile Launcher, not loader
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ROFL, my bad. But it does load old programs and makes 'em run under WP7.
The only program that has good routable maps for my country (Argentina) is Garmin Mobile XT, that's why I'd mainly use your launcher to run that app... and finally install WP7 on my HTC HD2.
Thanks for all the hard work you put into developing this kind of stuff, Cotulla.

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