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WM2005 sucks?

Looks like wm2005 still not very stable, a lot of programs still not working.
For example, Xbackup, set as ringtone or Monster Chinese, etc.

well alot of programs required new versions when 2003SE came out as well

ttseng said:
Looks like wm2005 still not very stable, a lot of programs still not working.
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Using it on my Imate for a month or more and no problem so far and no lock-ups like there were on WM2003SE

I think the title of this thread is misleading... :?
The fact that it does not run several applications or crashes is because:
1.- This version is not final
2.- It's not compatible because of it's very nature, IT'S A NEW OS!!!
The same happened when we upgraded our PCs to Windows XP don't you remember?
New versions will start to come up eventually, and even if you don't see any advances "right-out-of-the-box" it's because the main improvements on this OS reside behind the scenes, so Programmers will start to develop new and exciting apps that take advantage of the new features and APIs.
For me Windows Mobile 5.0 has been very stable even with the very first version that Buzz, Toe and the gang which had very limited memory resources I had no stability problems whatsoever.
There are limitations of course, (like no MMS, mediocre video camera, sms problems, etc) but eventually Microsoft OR our very own developers will take care of that!
So, BE PATIENT!!!!! :wink:

Hi,
Using it for 3 days in my Qtek 2020 and no problem at all.
Even Jabra250 works fine, when in 2003SE was difficult to setup.
About software that don't work, we must wait until new versions come out...
I'm sure when you update you computer from NT to W2K you has software that didn't work and had to buy new versions, so why should be different here?
Be patient.... Mobile5 is ok for now.
AF

if only we can fix the camera it would be Superb

Xeon said:
if only we can fix the camera it would be Superb
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if only we could run it on magician

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Xeon said:
if only we can fix the camera it would be Superb
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if only we could run it on magician
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i double that

Rayan & all the rest are right!!!
I can't agree less to what Rayan wrote.
It's a new OS and a beta for that matter (check out Goras thread on "WM2005 that I can share"), If I'm not mistaken it's not also intended for Himalaya, judging on the memory problems just solved(!) by Buzz, toenailed, XdaJojo, mamaich & all the other contributors as well.
Personally in my opinion its a lot 'solid' than the WM2003 & SE since it has to crash yet on my xda II, as mentioned by Rayan even the initial release of the OS with limited memory was stable.
The problems with the apps like backup & camera are being solved one-by-one, MMS which doesn't even start before is now working (check out the threads on WM2005 in the forum).
Even now, the benefits of using the OS in terms of performance, stability & looks far outweighs its limitations (in my humble opinion) just be patient & leave it to the WIZARDS (Buzz, toenailed, XdaJojo, etc. etc. etc).
Besides, hey ttseng this is the xda-developers forum & we all are having fun testing, tweaking, & breathing new life to our "soon to be outlawed" XDA II ....... if not for the WIZARDS in the forum !!!!! Notice the request for the OS on the other xda models, aren't we lucky we have the WiZARDS working on the HIMA? :lol:
Cheers!

works flawlessly on XDA2 Himalaya!!!!!!!!
best os and most stable one ive come across ,wm200se never really happy but this WM2005 is and has been stable without a single hard reset or rest since install.even self configured the o2email and hotmail!! took the o2 uk config & connections setup file from a XDA2s_1-12-178-WWE_UK_Extended_ Rom.

Is there more than one version of WM2005 kicking about?
I successfully installed WM2005 on my XDA II, but I couldn't get many 3rd party apps to install on it. So I was surprised to see screenshots with certain utilities running ok.
I was wondering if there is more than one version of it floating about on the net. The one I installed was found on these forums, but I have recently downloaded another off usenet.
They are both himalaya.
I am sure a non-beta copy will rear its head on here sooner rather than later (I hope!)
Cam

this version is in the ftp section ,the rom has a file name of
wm2k5_XDA2_HIMALAYA_O2_fullRAM.rar

Yep!
That's the one!

That would make both copies I have the same.
Is this a late BETA or even an RTM version?
Now that the OS has been officially released I am guessing it's a race for someone to post the released version ;-)

the official full version is released?
wow!
so when can we have it for download here?
i am planning to put off my upgrade till the full version comes out.
currently i am on the win2003se which i aint very happy with!
plz advise...
thanx everybody.

It out but you cant get it.
I have a friend who is a manger in Microsoft. I sent the MS link of the offical release and asked if it can be obtained from the internal web software store. At the moment it cant and I feel it will also never be the case (2003 the end user could never buy).
So we are back to the carriers and if they will ship 2005 as an upgrade for ood devices or only on new (MDA XDA IV).
Dont think one needs to be a rocket scintist to answer that, was not one of the devices never shipped with 2003, the way I remember it it was buz that did a Chines to English translation.
So at least w on the BA side have to wait untill something gets leaked.

A little help with WM2005 upgrade please!!!!!!!
I see that most people have upgraded to WM2005 without much trouble, but not me!! I am with o2 and I've just upgraded and I can't us GPRS (it keeps trying to dial 193.113.200.195 and then drops the conx even though the IP is entered in the APN section) I can't run Worldmate pro (not compatable), TOMTOM 3 (need to upgrade to ver 4.4) pick up email etc etc.
Could I have the details that you need to enter into your XDA to connect to o2 network via GPRS so that I can access hotmail, messenger, MMS, Internet etc etc
I hope you can help as I don't want to downgrade to the old windows version.

i can send u a O2 customisation cab file if u need ,however your phone must b on contract with O2UK not payg or orange etc..

Yes Please!!
That'll be great. yes I am with O2 contract.......

where is the awesome rom !!! please
iam running w2005 in my XD2..but still MANY applications cant be installed..and i was surprised to see the screenshot (above) with many applications runing ..BUT i couldnt find the ROM...i found only the one for XDA2s..."XDA2s_1-12-178-WWE_UK_Extended_ Rom" actually is a zipped file with no rom inside..just many cab files ..can anyone help me please...thanks guys

Here's what HTC say about WM6

Asked HTC about WM6 for my tytn this morning and here's what they say:
Good Morning,
Thank you for contacting HTC Europe regarding a query about ROM update.
We are currently awaiting an official response from our Head Office on the matter of ROM updates from Windows Mobile 5.0 to Windows Mobile 6.0. We hope to have an answer for you soon.? Please contact us again in a few weeks and we may be able to give you an update.
Thank you for your enquiry, Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/cs_by_phone.html
Regards,
HTC European Support team
callserv[email protected]
HYPERLINK "file://www.htc.com"www.htc.com
How awesome is that?! Lets hope they say yes!!

perhaps, but unlike others at least they're talking about it.

maninwhitecoat said:
Asked HTC about WM6 for my tytn this morning and here's what they say:
Good Morning,
Thank you for contacting HTC Europe regarding a query about ROM update.
We are currently awaiting an official response from our Head Office on the matter of ROM updates from Windows Mobile 5.0 to Windows Mobile 6.0. We hope to have an answer for you soon.? Please contact us again in a few weeks and we may be able to give you an update.
Thank you for your enquiry, Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/cs_by_phone.html
Regards,
HTC European Support team
[email protected]
HYPERLINK "file://www.htc.com"www.htc.com
How awesome is that?! Lets hope they say yes!!
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Was just about to post this myself

I think the crux of the matter will be, will it cost HTC anythin to supply a WM6 rom for existing devices? It will cost a bit in development, but would they have to pay MS for licensing?
I'm sure the answer is yes - so they wont do it.
Call me a pessimist if you like . . . Im relying on a clever rom cooker out there!
Rob

maninwhitecoat said:
Asked HTC about WM6 for my tytn this morning and here's what they say:
Good Morning,
Thank you for contacting HTC Europe regarding a query about ROM update.
We are currently awaiting an official response from our Head Office on the matter of ROM updates from Windows Mobile 5.0 to Windows Mobile 6.0. We hope to have an answer for you soon.? Please contact us again in a few weeks and we may be able to give you an update.
Thank you for your enquiry, Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/cs_by_phone.html
Regards,
HTC European Support team
[email protected]
HYPERLINK "file://www.htc.com"www.htc.com
How awesome is that?! Lets hope they say yes!!
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Did anybody notice that only htc vox from three new handsets (forth one has been removed from htc site) presented at 3GSM has wm6 preinstalled. I think that htc will do an upgrade of some handsets with wm5. Let's hope I'm right!
cheers

HTC released upgrades for exisiting devices from PocketPC 2003 to WM5 and is busy on other devices for update to WM6, also from WM5 to WM6 'so it could be possible that the TYN gets one from WM5 to WM6.
*fingers crossed*

Maarten_NL said:
HTC released upgrades for exisiting devices from PocketPC 2003 to WM5 and is busy on other devices for update to WM6, also from WM5 to WM6 'so it could be possible that the TYN gets one from WM5 to WM6.
*fingers crossed*
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as far as i know htc never released any OS upgrades... and i've had htc devices since the XDA 1.

Why are we all excited for WM6? They can't even get WM5 right on this device!

I dont see any reason to wait for WM6. With WM5 works solid, and i dont see any changes from WM5 to WM6!! Changes of OS from one year, are not enough from Microsoft.

dodadent;1141193 said:
I dont see any reason to wait for WM6. With WM5 works solid, and i dont see any changes from WM5 to WM6!! Changes of OS from one year, are not enough from Microsoft.
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Well for one, the email client is supposed to be better, also PIE has some updates, but the biggest thing for me is that I spend hours a day behind a remote desktop session from my TyTN, and the client in WM6 is so much better from what I have read, clipboard support..no more transferrin docs to retrieve text....also its supposed to have sound support also...I run streaming media services, and being able to preview audio before I encode it etc..that would be incredibly helpful. And also when you don't rewrite an OS completely you build upon it, work out bugs, and add improvements, plus I guess if you only talk on your device...its not gonna be much different.
I tend to see some people sayin the same thing about the PC OS's, its like they expect a whole new experience with each OS.
When you completely redo the OS everytime you only tick off software designers, There are improvements there, just take the time to look.

i agree, heavy users of their devices will have huge amounts of program data running at one time, (i do) and sometimes it lags, other times it fails to load new programs. I read that the memory paging was better in WM6 than it is in WM5 so lets hope so!

Here's sort of a kick in the pants. Check out what the article says about HTC and WM6. Hmm...http://www.pocketpcmag.com/mobile/webguide.asp

is there a wm6.1 for dash???

dear guys, i know you are the best in upgrading our smartphones, do you know if there is, or soon will be an upgrade to wm6.1 for s620???
tnx

Not yet.. but I think that soon it will come to S620.
We are all waiting for this update

I actually got to play with a Windows Mobile 6.1 Dash but it still seemed to lag a fair amount. Just had a flashier home screen. Everything seemed to be the same. They added Copy and Paste as well.
JAmerican

JAmerican said:
I actually got to play with a Windows Mobile 6.1 Dash but it still seemed to lag a fair amount. Just had a flashier home screen. Everything seemed to be the same. They added Copy and Paste as well.
JAmerican
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Oh man that's great news!!! I am excited. At least that confirms that there is a very high chance we will have to upgrade. Hopefully it will become more stable and not have memory leaks.
Thanks Jamerican....

did you check the new PIE how is it, does it have flash???

How about threaded sms like the PPC version has??

i'm actually really curious about wm6.1 too. I know it's out already, so where are the ROMs at? BTW, does anyone have access to HTC's downloads for the S620-621? When I attempted to register my unit with the serial # at their site, it wouldn't let me since it knew it was T-Mo Dash instead.
EDIT: well a quick search on google yielded this interesting result:
http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=13800
I guess that's why we're not seeing any wm6.1 devices anytime soon...

even so, here at xda-developers you can see upgrades to 6.1 for some devices, so i guess we´ll just have to wait a little bit, but its going yo be here i´m sure

Google is your friend. Many websites have covered the new WM6.1 features. Basically it comes out to these:
* Threaded SMS - A Chat like function for your SMS Inbox
* Zoom out in Pocket IE - Enables Page overview mode and better navigation
* One Note included in Office Mobile
* Running Programs tab in Settings > Memory replaced to a better Task Manager. (But the previous running programs tab was much simple and easier)
* A new Managed Programs menu
As you can see, no mention of flash incorporation in PIE. Personally, I won't upgrade until it is as fast as the HTC ROM I'm using now. I am, however, really excited about threaded SMS.

wm6.1 does exist for the dash.
Lets put it this way. People have HTC excalibur running wm6.1. 6.1 adds a new home screen, better IE (much better IE), copy & paste, new version of active sync, etc, etc. WM6.1 is also faster. I'm not sure when this will be avaliable to everyone... but it does exist.

Actually I tried it at a M$ event at my school. The lady said it would take at least 10 months for consumers to see it. That does not include carrier customization etc. Pissed me off.
JAmerican

How come the Wing users have the 6.1 and not us! When I had the Wing the 6.1 made it SOOO much better....sucks having to wait

collins521 said:
How come the Wing users have the 6.1 and not us! When I had the Wing the 6.1 made it SOOO much better....sucks having to wait
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Yup, i'll vouch for this. I have open touch v3 on my wing and love it. Sometimes i like to go out with my dash since its slimmer and wow its like night and day how slow it is. Even with the new HTC rom that was posted...

Am I missing something here? When did the Wing get a system that isnt released yet? I am confused

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Am I missing something here? When did the Wing get a system that isnt released yet? I am confused
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WM 6.1 is alive and well on the PPC platform. First batch of WM 6.1 Professional ROMs hit the scene about a week and a half ago and I may be wrong about this but I believe the wing (HTC Herald) was the first to get it from our fine chefs here on XDA-DEV. Still waiting on a 6.1 Standard version for our favorite non-touchscreen devices (HTC Excalibur etc)...
Also don't forget that fortunately/unfortunately the touchscreen devices are way more popular than the non-touchscreen devices.
Personally I believe my T-Mobile Dash running the HTC ship rom is way more stable than any other Windows Mobile device I have ever owned, and I've had quite a few as can be seen in my sig.

Thats interesting, I had no idea!

I don't want to waste time flashing my Dash with a cooked 6.0 ROM (HTC ROM) if 6.1 is only a few weeks away. Any estimate from the ROM cookers on a 6.1 release for the Dash?

Microsoft Is Coming Out With An Official 6.1 Version For The Excalibur Very Soon
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I don't want to waste time flashing my Dash with a cooked 6.0 ROM (HTC ROM) if 6.1 is only a few weeks away. Any estimate from the ROM cookers on a 6.1 release for the Dash?
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This is good news to my ears, I had no ideal that Microsoft was coming out with a official released for the Excalibur very soon...........!

Haha, yeah good thing I didn't waste my time with a cooked 6.0 ROM...

This ever happed?
WM 6.1 for S621, Excalibur?
Official ROM release?

Official update for TouchFLO 3D?

HTC begins shipping its Diamond handset with updated TouchFLO interface.
One of HTC's Diamond key selling points is its TouchFLO 3D interface, which brings a new way to scroll through contacts, browse the Internet, and the like. However, unfortunately, performance has been generally sluggish. HTC looks to remedy this, by releasing a newer version of the interface on new Touches. The newer version of the interface looks to bring an significant speed-boost to the table. There is no word if current owners will be able to upgrade to the new version as of yet.
source: Mobile-Review​
Does anybody have their hands on this updated version? Or at least some more info about it - version number, included in new rom, performance video etc.​

If this is true this wil be verry handy. I recently order my diamond, however it was sold out. New shipment is expected in early July, so maybe i get a new version

Ive just ugraded my ROM to version 1.37.405.1 WWE and can confim that touchflo 3D runs much more smoothly!

I would suggest version 1.37.456.2
It is newer with some new versions of programs and much faster!!!

Hmmmm i wonder if they are talking about the 1.37.456.2 ROM or about something different and newer... w8 n see i guess

I am using my diamond in the US, which WWE ROM are you using, and more important where did u downloaded it ?

honestly guys this has NOTHING TODO WITH ROM DEVELOPMENT!!!
jesus lets try and post this in the correct forums.

walshieau said:
honestly guys this has NOTHING TODO WITH ROM DEVELOPMENT!!!
jesus lets try and post this in the correct forums.
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Apologies, but I thought it'll be usefull information for you guys cooking roms. Move it to the general Diamond section if you wish.

Still no news on this theme? Seeming that the O2 versions of the diamond are shipping in more countries every day i would think that the new touchflo version has appeared somewhere...

Build 20755 etc..

Hi all,
I keep reading up on new builds for windows mobile 6.1. i.e 20755 over 20270 (just the standard naked ROM).
Whats the difference difference for the new builds. Are there any release notes from Microsoft on what has been updated?
Otherwise whats the point in upgrading?
Regards,

well
As microsoft/htc is never going to release an official 6.1 for the hermes, we have people from all over the world who managed to strip the ROM from different devices and 'port' it for the hermes, hence we as punters to this site have been enjoying.
There is no 'official' word, but as you can see, from different threads on this forum that flash lite 3.1 and ultimately the new Pocket IE can be ported succesfully.
Mainly these builds come from China? correct me if I am wrong but those guys are very resourceful and we are grateful for it, just wish they would share.

your first post...welcome to the forum. check out veyka's excellent thread for any further questions u may have! Happy Flashing!!

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Otherwise whats the point in upgrading?
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Just the thrill of flashing!

mootmaina said:
Otherwise whats the point in upgrading?
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1) speed
2) New features (zoom in IE, flash lite 3.1 in the core, outlook enhancements)
MS dont put out builds for phones, they give the OEMS a os customisation kit, its upto them to out out updates + release notes + ect.