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VMWare For WM6?

I work in software packaging... and I use VMWare a lot for different builds etc.
I was wondering if there was such an application for mobile phones. like VMWARE that I could test ROMs on etc. before putting onto my phone?
Apologies if posted in the wrong spot etc.
Regards.

That WOULD be a useful tool, such as an emulator??

Dont the windows mobile 6 sdk tools come with this sort of thing ? But I dont know if u can load a rom from here into it. But I know it comes with a base rom to use for testing, if your developing with Visual Studio or something.

twist said:
Dont the windows mobile 6 sdk tools come with this sort of thing ? But I dont know if u can load a rom from here into it. But I know it comes with a base rom to use for testing, if your developing with Visual Studio or something.
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Correct, the emulator bundled with the SDK is only for testing programs which will run on it.
What we want is a virtual device which will act just like the hermes hardware, that way we can test unbricking techiques etc...
Something like this would indeed be a huge step for developers and cooks.

VM for WM
All you need are the environmental configuration details, ie the parameters that for the sys config and build out the vmx file.
There's no way you'd get assistance from VMware on this, ut if you think about it there are what ... 12 pre-set environments in VM-WK6?
I reckon if you debug one of these, hack away at the profile, RAM, cpu requirements (cycles, Hz, etc, etc) then you are most of the way there.
There is only a finite amount of environmental configurations, it's about controlling those.
Have a look at the VMware site, go to virtual appliances, and see how people have built the base out on some of the simpler appliances

http://mobiledevdesign.com/software_design/open-kernel-labs-okl4-software-0521/

garyjmobey said:
http://mobiledevdesign.com/software_design/open-kernel-labs-okl4-software-0521/
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That's not quite with the topic here. From what I got out of that is they are working on running 2 operating systems on 1 phone. Not something like a hermes emulator.

[REQ]Zombie, Run... Port from Android to PPC

Is it possible yet to port or somehow run an Android app for PPC?
I'd love to be able to use Zombie, Run and my Touch Pro 2.
It's a free game currently under developement.
Here's a link to the open source project, and I've attached the program itself in a zip.
Thanks
http://code.google.com/p/zombie-run/

nope. on Android you use the DalvikVM and program in java syntax, using the Android APIs.
games like these are so easily done on Android because google provides GPS, compass, maps, etc. APIs that are very easy to use.
IF you will see something like this for WM it would be much more work and had to be done from scratch.

Are there any similar games available for windows mobile?

What about this?
http://game.zrli.org/
It´s very, very similar... Try it and report!

ferlanero said:
What about this?
http://game.zrli.org/
It´s very, very similar... Try it and report!
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It's great, though it would be awesome if it would use internal GPS on phone/laptop
Edit:
I would love to see this on windows mobile, i can even donate some money to make effort worthy

So, no one to do this right for the money? Not only lacking of devs but they're lazy as hell too..

ferlanero said:
What about this?
http://game.zrli.org/
It´s very, very similar... Try it and report!
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WTF! It doesn't work on my Xperia X1 :-(

Mango 7720 reading zip files

No idea if this a new feature but I stumbled upon it today.
I downloaded a zip from my Dropbox account. IE9 opened the zip file adding number to the file. It's the [1] you see in the photo. After downloading the contents are made visible.
I could play the audio files and I think video will work too.

Nothing new, it can even open .exe files. I haven't got WP7 NDK so I can't try any native WP7 executable though.

OndraSter said:
Nothing new, it can even open .exe files. I haven't got WP7 NDK so I can't try any native WP7 executable though.
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What? Seems like you have no idea (at all!) what are you talking about...

Well nice to know anyway.
Is this already in 7712?

sensboston said:
What? Seems like you have no idea (at all!) what are you talking about...
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ok maybe I am stupid but please explane what is new here ?
and please explane to me what this has to do with 7720 ?
and if it is really 7720 then please tell me how to get that build because I still have the 7712 build and not the rtm.
Greetings Cees

What's new for me? %) I've never heard about WP7 NDK but of course know Android's NDK (and still have no idea what is the name of the official manufacturer's SDK for Windows Phone 7)

Oh sure there is NDK, just not publicly available =). I have a lot of things I should not be having, but WP7 NDK and HD2 BSP seems like impossible to get my hands on.

OndraSter said:
Oh sure there is NDK, just not publicly available =). I have a lot of things I should not be having, but WP7 NDK and HD2 BSP seems like impossible to get my hands on.
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How do you know what Platform Builder for WP7 (probably but I don't know exact name!) called NDK??? Any prooflink? Or it's just your imagination? Are you working for Samsung/HTC/Nokia?

I am not working with anybody.
I think that OEMs might be having some (parts) of NDK - just take a look, they build apps like flashlight and since these things don't have their .NET API, they had to use something - NDK - to build native library that exposes these APIs .
NDK is not platformbuilder. Platformbuilder is tool, that builds system for the target platform from some parts (CE kernel, WP build, then you also need BSP for the target device containing drivers).

Seems that you are just messing a lot of different things... It calls Windows CE/Mobile SDK, not a NDK (NDK is a "Native Development Kit" from Google for Android platform). Windows CE (what is the WP7 based on) have ability to run not only native but also managed (.NET) code. You may build standalone executables for CE starting from Visual C++ Embedded 3.0 (just provide a correct libraries for linking).
There is no thing such a "top-secret magical NDK"

sensboston said:
You may build standalone executables for CE starting from Visual C++ Embedded 3.0 (just provide a correct libraries for linking).
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Which is what they is called WP7 NDK. You develop native libraries with this kit.
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Android has SDK which compiles stuff in Java into managed code.
Android has NDK which compiles stuff in C/C++ into native code.
Same stuff, different brand.

OndraSter said:
Which is what they is called WP7 NDK. You develop native libraries with this kit.
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It's ridiculous, named by whom? By you? Sorry but you don't have enough authority and experience on my sight. BTW, you may call it whatever you want: NDK, DDK, WP7K but please not on xda-dev forum! Let's call things by real not imaginary names.
P.S. Just asked one of the WP7 developers from MS, he pointed me to http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg156052.aspx . Try to find NDK word on these pages!

ZIP from 7004...
Zip functionality was in 7004 already.
I've installed certificates for Chevron and for our exchange server zipped and sent to myself. I downloaded it through OWA (Outlook Web Access) in IE Mobile. It worked since from the beginning. Sure of it.
Regards, Cina.

@sensboston
You do realize that that link is for building WCE7 images and NOT building APPS for it, right? "Building, testing, tuning, and debugging a Windows Embedded Compact powered device".
And you don't need SDK or NDK for WCE7, you need SDK or NDK or whatever you want to call it for WP7. They do differ.

Listen, OndraSter, you can build native apps for WP7 (based on WEC7) using eVC 3.0, eVC 4.0, VS 2003, VS 2005 and VS 2008 (you need only WEC7 or what exactly running in WP7) SDK (yes, it calls SDK not NDK!). But you can't run "native" (how u called) application because it's not allowed by WP7 security. Very simple.
P.S. Are you trolling me?

You can build apps as long as they don't use anything with WP7 shell. (You surely know why.)
Oh and now you are saying that it is named SDK? Do you have proof?
I asked WithinRafael on twitter. Reply? "It is called Hybrid SDK in circles." It is still not official reply, but he is the closest one as I can get for now. And it is not NDK - sorry for that, but it is not SDK either.

OndraSter said:
And it is not NDK
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Oh Lord I can't believe my eyes! Thanks!
OndraSter said:
Reply? "It is called Hybrid SDK in circles."
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but it is not SDK either.
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No more my comments on this topic, I'm too tired

sensboston said:
Oh Lord I can't believe my eyes! Thanks!
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No more my comments on this topic, I'm too tired
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WOW what a dev talk in here
so now that is all cleared could you please make us a wifi router (I want to donate to that if you want ) ?
you seem to be the right person to ask.
Greetings Cees Heim.

OndraSter, andoid's native SDK calls NDK, but WP's doesn't depend on it. Noone knows, how does it named, but every previous version of it for WM called SDK.
Sorry for my english, I hope u understood me.

I want to become a Windows Phone 7 developer!

Hi all!
I decided I want to start developing apps for Windows Phone, and want some pointers. I already know visual basic and java, the latter of which was handy on creating a few apps on android. I 'm quite experienced when it comes to linux, and I'm also good with hardware. That's my backround. Now I've set my eyes on Windows Phone 7 and I want to take it up seriously. So where should I begin, what tools should I use, and is there a guide, possibly? I'm a fast learner, and very eager to begin!
Thanks in advance!

I posted a lot of links in the following thread (3rd message)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1387900
Hope it helps, and good luck with whatever you write.
Ian

Thanks Ian! I'm gonna get started right away!

First of all you have to learn C# it's easy language and very similar to Java. Later you have to read sth about .net Framework. To write a application you have to download free Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone.
Good luck and have fun

You can use VB language too. So you should be good. No need to learn c#. But But you should, I love c#.
Sent from my HD7 using DeepShining v6.5

To be open, C# == java (true) extra features and more functions

Hextor_PL said:
First of all you have to learn C# it's easy language and very similar to Java. Later you have to read sth about .net Framework. To write a application you have to download free Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone.
Good luck and have fun
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Is it necessary to have VS 2010 Express installed? Or is the VS for Windows Phone enough?
Damn..I have VS 2010 Express installed, and I just cannot uninstall it completely. Now, SDk 7.1 cannot be installed due to missing components.
Note: I uninstalled VS 2010 as it had that bug wherein you cannot start a new project. "Registry error"

not necessary. but it's must have one.

I think you need the full paid for version of Visual Studio in order to use VB coding on WP7 but if you already have that then it's all good!

comeradealexi said:
I think you need the full paid for version of Visual Studio in order to use VB coding on WP7 but if you already have that then it's all good!
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ans sometime you don't need to buy, if your country doesn't has laws like us

Thanks，your ansowers is useful for me too.(poor english)

DFT WML status

After seeing Cotulla's tweet on the WP7 WML I was wondering if we could get some status, release timeline, anything...

EnderPsp said:
After seeing Cotulla's tweet on the WP7 WML I was wondering if we could get some status, release timeline, anything...
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Just wait...

jessenic said:
Just wait...
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We are, that's the problem

My only question regarding this loader is if we'll be able to use the GPS and run Garmin Mobile XT... cause that's the only thing that's stopping me from installing WM7 on my HTC HD2. I figure XT will be able to run with this, but... Let us wait.

What exactly are you intersting?
Btw it's called Windows Mobile Launcher, not loader

Cotulla said:
What exactly are you intersting?
Btw it's called Windows Mobile Launcher, not loader
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Oh hello there Cotulla! I'm not asking for any ETAs, but how do you do that? Do you put the exes and dlls and stuff in \Windows\ or in another directory and then run and make them ignore the original WP7 ones? My theories

right no ETAs.
no, it's not it's paravirtuliazion. In other words WM runs almost like usual application inside WP7

Nice. We can launch WinMob 6.X "on wp7" and start apps for WM 6.X ?

Cotulla said:
What exactly are you intersting?
Btw it's called Windows Mobile Launcher, not loader
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ROFL, my bad. But it does load old programs and makes 'em run under WP7.
The only program that has good routable maps for my country (Argentina) is Garmin Mobile XT, that's why I'd mainly use your launcher to run that app... and finally install WP7 on my HTC HD2.
Thanks for all the hard work you put into developing this kind of stuff, Cotulla.

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