Unfortunately I broke my screen so I bought a new one and build it in. At the beginning the touchscreen didn't work and I did a hard reset so that I could setup windows mobile again and align the touchscreen. I followed the instructions: align screen: Tap the target firmly and accurately at each location on the cscreen. The target will continue to move until the screen is aligned. Wheter I try it 10 times or more the Software doesn't continue with the setup. I tried to skip this part with a software but Active Sync can't establish a connection with the device so I couldn't use the software (Active Sync and the PC is alright it does work with another device). A possibility to solve this problem would be to flash a ROM again but the theft protection / flash protection is activated (software from FSC: FSC Password 2.00.06044) Is there another way to remove the protection without logging into windows mobile? Or maybe its possible to repair windows mobile? (of course except hard reset i tried this like more than 10 times).
note:
ROM image: Windows Mobile 6.1 Classic CE OS 5.2.20755 (Build 20755.1.4.0) WWE (Eng) from newplowe
Additional Software: SPB Pocket Plus I found out that this installs additionally a "save mode" Maybe this causes the problem. It should look like http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/uploads/images/pocketplus/Screenshots/08.png . When I start the PDA there is a sound and then there's a popup but it disappears immediately. I tried to press every button on the PDA but nothing worked.
Thanks in advance!
Is there a way to remove the flash protection while you are in bootloader?
And why is this ****ty program "save mode" SPB Pocket Plus running wheter i did a hard reset?
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I tried welcome.not file on sd card. Then the software acted really weird showed start menue changed screen all the time and now it hangs on boot screen . As nobody talks about how to remove the flash protection I think I will give up.
I have exactly the same problem and have found this thread looking for a solution.
Any news from anyone? You still couldnt resolve it EinPenner??
thanks,
Related
Hey guys,
I have the Bootloader all happy and running but after flashing the Radio (I did this because I thought it would fix random crashes and GPRS crashing) the OS just hangs in boot even after hard resetting.
How do I go about flashing when in Bootloader mode?
Cheers,
Callum
EDIT: I tried with the TTY app (mtty) but it fails to show a USB port. I noticed that Windows XP just sits on acquiring network address.
Hey.
You must deactivate AcitveSync --> "Allow USB Connections" and kill all ActiveSync Processes.
If you have Vista you need other Drivers. Search in google 'VistaRUU'.
You could Flash VIA SD Card from Bootloader, just try to search a little bit in google.
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pOpY
If you have installed in the past Hard SPL, you should be able to flash a new ROM from the bootloader screen. Simply choose Hard SPL on the installer.
I have a SIMILAR ISSUE I I have issues with an old Hermes not gonna get into it, but I gotta outta what I thought was my WORST mess ever. Now my 8525 boots (I have the Official AT&T WM6 ROM) see all the opening screens and BOOM it JUST HANGS on the TOUCHSCREEN CALIBRATION screen!!! Touchscreen is completely UNRESPONSIVE so are 90% of the rest of the buttons I can power off and use the side scroll Blackberry dial, and I think the Right SOFT KEY brings UP a USELESS menu, BUT I AM STUCK AT THE CALIBRATION screen no touchscreen I have done A Hard Reset 1000 times, I can connect via ActiveSync with my PC, cant Flash Anything though I get ERROR 260 So I just have a booting 8525 stuck on th4e calibration screen
ANY IDEAS??????????/
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I have a SIMILAR ISSUE I I have issues with an old Hermes not gonna get into it, but I gotta outta what I thought was my WORST mess ever. Now my 8525 boots (I have the Official AT&T WM6 ROM) see all the opening screens and BOOM it JUST HANGS on the TOUCHSCREEN CALIBRATION screen!!! Touchscreen is completely UNRESPONSIVE so are 90% of the rest of the buttons I can power off and use the side scroll Blackberry dial, and I think the Right SOFT KEY brings UP a USELESS menu, BUT I AM STUCK AT THE CALIBRATION screen no touchscreen I have done A Hard Reset 1000 times, I can connect via ActiveSync with my PC, cant Flash Anything though I get ERROR 260 So I just have a booting 8525 stuck on th4e calibration screen
ANY IDEAS??????????/
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check out this link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382578
If you've Hard SPLed your hermes, try the sd card method. 1st, you need to back up your card, format it fat 32 then copy the .nbh file onto from the rom of your choice. rename the nbh file to "Hermimg.nbh" then insert into phone. put hermes into bootloader and follow the prompts. this will reflash another os. Hope this gets you out of your pickle... cheers
If anyone can help i have a hp ipaq h2200 and i tryed to do a bios update but now it`s stuck the onley thing that shows me is a image with hp,usb and v1.08 can anyone help me please?is there any way i can make it work again?is there any ROM for this kind of device maybe a wm5 or wm6?
no one can help me?
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If anyone can help i have a hp ipaq h2200 and i tryed to do a bios update but now it`s stuck the onley thing that shows me is a image with hp,usb and v1.08 can anyone help me please?is there any way i can make it work again?is there any ROM for this kind of device maybe a wm5 or wm6?
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go boot loader mode before upgrade
but how do i do this?it isn`t in bootloader?(it shows a hp image up shows usb and down v1,08)
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First important question: what upgrade did you try to do?
For iPAQ h2200 there is no cooked ROMs: WM5 or WM6x. This device can work only under branded WM2003se.
If you tried to do upgrade to any of cooked ROM like WM6.0 from different device like hx22xx by mistake, please try the following:
1. Go to HP www page and download the last available ROM upgrade (I assume English ROM)
2. Turn on iPAQ (don't carry the device doesn't boot properly) and place it to the cradle which should be connected to PC which has installed active sync software (please don't carry about lack of connection seen on active sync).
3. Run the ROM upgrade.
If you tried the HP upgrade and it stuck - just repeat them with the way described above.
Important - do not use blue tooth connection during flash !!! Only USB !!!
Good luck.
If it doesn't help I believe there is hundred of similar cases described in forums - try to search the solution there
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This device can work only under branded WM2003se.
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More precisely: WM2003 only - no SE upgrades for the h2210.
i upgraded the v1.10 original ROM from HP home site but now i solved the problem with mtty and ultra edith but now i have a nother problem i flashed again the ROM but its stuck on the loggin bar from startup it just fill the bar but windows doesn`t start i tryed again to flash and the problem still persist any sollutions?
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i flashed again the ROM but its stuck on the loggin bar from startup it just fill the bar but windows doesn`t start i tryed again to flash and the problem still persist any sollutions?
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As I understand you correctly - you restored your iPAQ into live using the last available ROM from HP site, which is WM2003 (thank you Menneisyys). The iPAQ worked fine and then you was trying to make another ROM upgrade - which ROM did you use?
I am asking because the ROM in version 1.10 is the most actual one and there is no any other ROM for this device. I assume that source of your problem is you are trying to use incorrect ROM. Correct me if I am wrong... If this is true - the solution is to restore your device into operational using the way as you did it before and stop to flashing your device - there is no another ROM to your iPAQ
the v1.10 but the problem is that after i flash the wm doesn`t start it just stay there stuck on the startup and i reflashed the device but still doesn`t start
how did u fix the stucked screen while booting? im searching for solutions for 30 mins now, but dind't find a way...
please help somebody..
ok, for those with "same" problems like me:
i have windows 7 64bit. the rom flashing wasn't successfull on this machine. i did the same on my notebook with windows xp and it worked. before it said that it couldn't find my ppc. on the notebook it wasn't a problem.
i had these installation notes found anywhere:
1.) Go to the Vendor Website, and...
2.) Select the appropriate hyperlink for your model.
3.) Download the most recent BIOS version.
4.) Press the POWER + iTASK + CONTACTS + RESET buttons at the same time so as to enter the FLASH Mode
5.) Make sure your USB connection to the Cradle is hooked-up.
6.) Place your PDA in the USB Cradle.
7.) Stop the MS ActiveSync session on your HOST PC: CTRL-ALT-DELETE > TASK MANAGER > PROCESSES.
8.) Highlight WESCOMM.EXE and select "End Process" button.
9.) Run the file you downloaded from your Vendor in step 3.
10.) The PDA should now begin Flashing the iPAQ's ROM BIOS.
i ignored step 4.)
hope that it helped somebody
Hi to all! I installed a new cooked great rom to my trinity a month ago and it worked fine. it is this rom
[ROM][ITA]WM 6.1 Elegance edition 2.14 (OS 5.2.19213 Build 19213.1.0.0)[ONLINE]
today I got a strange error and the phone was stuck. I unplugged the battery and when I started again it was stuck on the calibration screen. if I tap on the screen nothing happens but the backlight turns on if it was off so it still catches the taps. I connected the phone via usb to delete from the autostart menu the link to the configuration screen (welcome.exe) but the phone is not deteced by activesync so no way to browse folders on my device or use a program like SOTI to control the ppc. I want to bring it back to life as I know that my files hasn't been deleted. in fact if I press the right soft button I get a menu of a program I put in the ppc and it's not included in the elegance rom so I'm sure my files and my configuration and everything are still there.
if i get a phone call the phone rings (with the default ringtone anyway, but the name of the caller is displayed correctly, that's why I'm sure my device still has all my contacts and more)
what could I do?
is there a way to edit files from bootloader? does mtty work for this? (I have no idea how to use mtty so I might be wrong) could I make a full dump, edit the startup folder and reflash the phone with all my data?
I tried to use mortscript witht the autorun feature to read a part of the register regarding the welcome file and deleting it's link in the startup folder but the sd card driver is not loaded I think as the files are not launched, while in another phone the same script works fine.
thanks in advance to all who will have time and will to help me
pcwizzul
as far as i know (not that much), reading files from bootloader is pretty impossible.
You can always just reflash. If the touchscreen problem persists, it's possible that the problem is hardware related.
Your computer should detect your device when in bootloader, and failing that, you should be able to SD flash (assuming you're HardSPL'd or equivalent, thats just what we have in the herald forum)
Thanks for your help
I'm quite sure the hardware is fine as all my problems started after a crash of the OS.
Anyone has an idea to get access to my ppc?
pcwizzul said:
Hi to all! I installed a new cooked great rom to my trinity a month ago and it worked fine. it is this rom
[ROM][ITA]WM 6.1 Elegance edition 2.14 (OS 5.2.19213 Build 19213.1.0.0)[ONLINE]
today I got a strange error and the phone was stuck. I unplugged the battery and when I started again it was stuck on the calibration screen. if I tap on the screen nothing happens but the backlight turns on if it was off so it still catches the taps. I connected the phone via usb to delete from the autostart menu the link to the configuration screen (welcome.exe) but the phone is not deteced by activesync so no way to browse folders on my device or use a program like SOTI to control the ppc. I want to bring it back to life as I know that my files hasn't been deleted. in fact if I press the right soft button I get a menu of a program I put in the ppc and it's not included in the elegance rom so I'm sure my files and my configuration and everything are still there.
if i get a phone call the phone rings (with the default ringtone anyway, but the name of the caller is displayed correctly, that's why I'm sure my device still has all my contacts and more)
what could I do?
is there a way to edit files from bootloader? does mtty work for this? (I have no idea how to use mtty so I might be wrong) could I make a full dump, edit the startup folder and reflash the phone with all my data?
I tried to use mortscript witht the autorun feature to read a part of the register regarding the welcome file and deleting it's link in the startup folder but the sd card driver is not loaded I think as the files are not launched, while in another phone the same script works fine.
thanks in advance to all who will have time and will to help me
pcwizzul
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if the sdcarddriver is not loaded then the following will not work but give it a try anyways. make a text file "whatever.txt" no quotes then rename it to "welcome.not" no quotes then put it in the root of your storage card and it should skip the whole startup process. that is if it loads the sd card driver or you might want to think about flashing another rom
I already tried the "welcome.not" trick but got no results. I'm afraid that the sd card driver is not loaded then.
Thanks for the hint irus anyway!
Really there's no way to read files from bootloader or something similar?
not that i know of
but the fact that your issue was noticed during a rom flash
dont mean it's not hardware related
much like a heart attack which happens during a thunderstorm
dont need be related to the thunderstorm
Wait! The error never happened during a flash. I never said it. I had that rom on my trinity since a month and it worked like a charm. Then suddenly I got an error and the phone was stuck.
I have understood what you mean but at least I hope it's not a hardware failure!
Does anybody know if there is a way to boot N560 using SD card? I think I killed my FS with some "rom killer" and all I get now is FS boot screen, no other activities.
Any way to start it from SD card and flash it from there?
Perhaps any other way to bring it back to life?
i have the same problem
is there anybody for help???
SOS please
Eenigmaa said:
Does anybody know if there is a way to boot N560 using SD card? I think I killed my FS with some "rom killer" and all I get now is FS boot screen, no other activities.
Any way to start it from SD card and flash it from there?
Perhaps any other way to bring it back to life?
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You cannot burn the ROM from an SD card.
If the device has had the anti-theft password set at some stage then you cannot reburn the ROM! This might be the problem?
A hard reset on the N560 followed by running the Loox burn program on a PC with ActiveSync connection to the N560 cradle is the only answer i.e. a normal ROM burn.
fingerstoo said:
You cannot burn the ROM from an SD card.
If the device has had the anti-theft password set at some stage then you cannot reburn the ROM! This might be the problem?
A hard reset on the N560 followed by running the Loox burn program on a PC with ActiveSync connection to the N560 cradle is the only answer i.e. a normal ROM burn.
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Theft protection is not a problem here. It was wrong ROM and now it is stuck on boot screen, active sync does not see it at all, maybe there is a trick to somehow anable burn, flash, service mode on it? So far nothing helps....
Eenigmaa said:
Theft protection is not a problem here. It was wrong ROM and now it is stuck on boot screen, active sync does not see it at all, maybe there is a trick to somehow anable burn, flash, service mode on it? So far nothing helps....
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read, and pay attention here:
[email protected]@p://a.mod-site.net/gb/u/newplow-1.html
POST 203.
Edit/Delete Message
vladtapes said:
read, and pay attention here:
[email protected]@p://a.mod-site.net/gb/u/newplow-1.html
POST 203.
Edit/Delete Message
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GREAT!!!!
Thanks ever so much! You are real HELP!!!!
You should close process "wcescomm.exe" on PC in task manager. Then hold button record, power and puch reset after that you will come in boot loader. Run the program mtty.1.42 and select usb connect. If You will see the any error just start again mtty. Put command l c:\os_213u.nbf (You should put correct flash file in c:\ or use correct path to os_213u.nbf, l - like L but small). When it will done You should start PocketLOOX5xxFlashTool.exe and flash you PDA.
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Eenigmaa said:
GREAT!!!!
Thanks ever so much! You are real HELP!!!!
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do you confirm the method is fully functional?
I made a backup of my german original rom, if i have problems i want to restore it...
have you got a backup of your old wm5?
thanks
Yes it is working! Even if error comes at the end, shut the appie and use FS update tool to finish it up! All perfect!
Google for WM5, it is somwhere out there!
Eenigmaa said:
Yes it is working! Even if error comes at the end, shut the appie and use FS update tool to finish it up! All perfect!
Google for WM5, it is somwhere out there!
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could you please p.m. to me the link of wm5 other language?
If you refer 4pda...it can't be downloaded, i don't know russian, i registered, but always cannot download...
if you have other link...pls send me...
vladtapes said:
could you please p.m. to me the link of wm5 other language?
If you refer 4pda...it can't be downloaded, i don't know russian, i registered, but always cannot download...
if you have other link...pls send me...
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You can if you use an translator like www.windowslivetranslator.com or translate.google.com
then it is pretty easy.
I've resolved...
Fully functional WM6.0 newplowe in English...
now I'm searching for editing it in Italian/French but I need to edit the rom part of the XIP (just that).
For doing that, I need to open decrypt the file .nbh file (don't really know howto, and newplow doesn't answer about that... ).
Hi everybody, I need your help. I spent 2 hours to read several posts about N560 brick recover, and I still can't figure how to do it.
I flashed the N560 with the WM 6.1 and then I tried to flash the backup Rom Image ... which failed. Now is stucked in the climbing image ... and is not reacting to nothing. I didn't try the mitty sol because I don't have a clear ideea about using it, I am still a newbie ...
Please, I am begging for help if you can , thanks
rcretu said:
Hi everybody, I need your help. I spent 2 hours to read several posts about N560 brick recover, and I still can't figure how to do it.
I flashed the N560 with the WM 6.1 and then I tried to flash the backup Rom Image ... which failed. Now is stucked in the climbing image ... and is not reacting to nothing. I didn't try the mitty sol because I don't have a clear ideea about using it, I am still a newbie ...
Please, I am begging for help if you can , thanks
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Try this?
Take the N560 off the cradle. Remove the battery for at least 30 seconds. Reinsert battery and back cover. Do not worry if the screen shows the dolphins again. Do a full hard reset to get back to factory setting i.e Simultaneously press and hold the Suspend/Resume button (1) and the Calendar application button (2). Briefly press the stylus tip into the soft reset opening (3). Continue to hold down the Suspend/Resume button and the Calendar application button for a few seconds. The reset can take a few minutes. At the end an acoustic signal sounds. Please follow the further instructions on the display.
A hard reset should put the device back to the existing (last burned ROM) and you can try the burn again.
You probably do not know why the burn originally failed. The most common reason is some interrupt of the processor (internet access, switch of all internet access) but more likely something is polling the USB port, which might be shared in the PC. My external USB TV tuner constantly polls the USB port and interrupts any transfers on other ports! I suggest that you disconnect all other USB devices and make sure that your N560 cradle is connected to a USB port directly on the motherboard of the PC (not a USB hub or expansion card with multiple USB ports).
Hope this helps.
N560 - still stucked in the climbers bagground after WM 6.1 flash
fingerstoo said:
Try this?
Take the N560 off the cradle. Remove the battery for at least 30 seconds. Reinsert battery and back cover. Do not worry if the screen shows the dolphins again. Do a full hard reset to get back to factory setting i.e Simultaneously press and hold the Suspend/Resume button (1) and the Calendar application button (2). Briefly press the stylus tip into the soft reset opening (3). Continue to hold down the Suspend/Resume button and the Calendar application button for a few seconds. The reset can take a few minutes. At the end an acoustic signal sounds. Please follow the further instructions on the display.
A hard reset should put the device back to the existing (last burned ROM) and you can try the burn again again.
You probably do not know why the burn originally failed. The most common reason is some interrupt of the processor (internet access, switch of all internet access) but more likely something is polling the USB port, which might be shared in the PC. My external USB TV tuner constantly polls the USB port and interrupts any transfers on other ports! I suggest that you disconnect all other USB devices and make sure that your N560 cradle is connected to a USB port directly on the motherboard of the PC (not a USB hub or expansion card with multiple USB ports).
Hope this helps.
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Hi and thanks a lot for your post ... I tried several times this procedure ... I see no change for the hard reset .. No dolphins image at all ... I would say whatever I do it doesn't affect it. No sound, no other signs ... same climbing image.... Please keep remember other solution, It should be one ... thank you again ...
rcretu said:
Hi and thanks a lot for your post ... I tried several times this procedure ... I see no change for the hard reset .. No dolphins image at all ... I would say whatever I do it doesn't affect it. No sound, no other signs ... same climbing image.... Please keep remember other solution, It should be one ... thank you again ...
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THANKS FOR HELP, I didn't made correctly the the procedure ... now all it's Fine ... really appreciate your help ... saved my precious loox ...
rcretu said:
THANKS FOR HELP, I didn't made correctly the the procedure ... now all it's Fine ... really appreciate your help ... saved my precious loox ...
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PHEW! Thank goodness. I suspect you did not do the hard reset correctly at first. But I agree about the Loox being precious! I look after mine very carefully! Glad I could help you. My pleasure....
My fs560 is brikked!!!!
It remains to climbing people...
I can enter to bootloader (dolphins) but i cannot update to Windows mobile 6.1 Classic ver. 063.07
I need your HELP!!
I tried to use mtty and i can arrive to:
Image Download Finish
OEMFlashWrite(A0000000h,8C200000h,0236002Ah)
Download Fails !!!
OEMFlashWrite error(12)
Error : DownloadImage return error (code = 0xFFFFFFFF)
but then I cannot initialize normal update, it remains to dolphins with the blue bar fullfilled by precedent mtty...
the PocketLOOXN560FlashTool.exe can't find the device...
Can someone explain me the CORRECT method after mtty?
PLEASEE!!!
vladtapes said:
My fs560 is brikked!!!!
It remains to climbing people...
I can enter to bootloader (dolphins) but i cannot update to Windows mobile 6.1 Classic ver. 063.07
I need your HELP!!
I tried to use mtty and i can arrive to:
Image Download Finish
OEMFlashWrite(A0000000h,8C200000h,0236002Ah)
Download Fails !!!
OEMFlashWrite error(12)
Error : DownloadImage return error (code = 0xFFFFFFFF)
but then I cannot initialize normal update, it remains to dolphins with the blue bar fullfilled by precedent mtty...
the PocketLOOXN560FlashTool.exe can't find the device...
Can someone explain me the CORRECT method after mtty?
PLEASEE!!!
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I think you have received a reply from Newplow on his guestbook....
Hi
I tried to upgrade to 128mb but after restart I see only climbing. I tried everything here but on dolphins afterr line is blue it is finished. that I am unpluging device. starting looxflastool for 560 and first is trying to connect by active sync and that when no connection made I see dolphins on left screen of flash tool window. than I am pluging again and after couple secs I see that: Error"The language in this Flash Image update (ENGLISH) differs from that on your device. I tried to change rom on every language but not working as well. PLEASE HELP!!
if that helps than i will add than on top when delfins i see on 560 is two lines. first is typed 2.14.G4 on second directly below is 2.15.
and when mtty 1.42 finishing flashing i see following:
Image Download Finish
OEMFlashWrite(A0000000h,8C200000h,0224002Ah)
Download Fails !!!
OEMFlashWrite error(12)
Error : DownloadImage return error (code = 0xFFFFFFFF)
I've done already procedure You've mentioned here with taking of the battery for at least 30 secs with hard reset afterwards but it is still climibing screen. Can U manage this as well???
THX
The most common error with the procedure is NOT making a proper or true hard reset, or back to factory settings reset. If you do it wrong, you will only achieve a soft reset, the same as you get if you just put the stylus in the reset hole in the base of the N560.
The correct procedure is to hold Power/Resume/Suspend button (on/off button) and the Calendar button simultaneously. Keep holding them and with the other hand press in the reset hole with the stylus. The screen should blank out. KEEP holding the other two buttons all this time, and release the stylus. KEEP holding those two buttons until the screen display returns, only then release them.
This should allow another burn.
I hope this is the problem. It has happened to me and others, so I think I am right. But if this fails, you may need another approach.
my phone run wm6.1, i downloaded dt39-UltimateROM-v3-MutliLangKB from this forum
- start Mirage_LV_1.8, click PDA button and select dt39-UltimateROM-v3-MutliLangKB
- click detect button. switch off phone to Emergency Mode, and it start flashing...
- after all, the label changed from green to blue,device reset and cannot boot to win, it halt at Samsung boot screen for long time
- i take battery out, and insert back, start again but still this problem
i try to another rom but it still this problem
was I wrong?
after flashing new rom always do hard reset. If any problem - do hard reset...
what if install harmful cab on i780 orange which lack key combinitions for Hard reset
I post here even it is to late because I had a problem of a spanish i780 that did not respond to key combintions of hard reset and boot mode. the only way to HR is by using code *2767*...... I forget it lol. But, when I installed an Arabic MUI cab on it the phone can't start so I have no way to Hard reset now since I can't access to dialer no more. and I can't flash by mirage since I can't use fn+Enter on this wm6 orange tweaked rom phone.
The only Solution for me was to download this rom ziddu.com/download/8450774/i780PDXIB1_Upgrader_VISTA.rar and I used wincotroll program from 4shared and samsung xp driver (using windows 7) then I tweaked the rom installer by draging a loop icone from wincontroll (software tweak tab) to the bottom of rom installer and clicked show then an emergency box appeared ... I checked this box (no need to check charger battery or phone connected boxs) and reset the phone or rebooted it. >>>>>>>>>>>> the phone started flashing and horaaaaay I have wm6.1 now and both key combination are working now.
I was able to flash the phone again and again testing for the best rom now I have 6.5 rom that works very very fine for me
NB: I searched the inside and outside of the Web with no results so I applied this tweak as I do to my omnia i900 when facing (incorrect software essage)
I am sure this can help someone else who still have orange wm6 useless rom on his i780.