touch pro 2 is really awesome, but seriously, the same processor, ram and camera??
K also there are gonna be some 1 GHz phones coming up soon I read, so I htought about and well, the touch pro 2 i PERFECT, but under powered..... so, umm.. really is it worth it, if it comes to t-mobile than who knows whne a better wm phone will come around to t-mobile, so I guess that would be nice but would I be better off just to wait for a better phone and just get it unlocked, cause honestly, how would it feel to have the best phone ever and then 3 months later have it crushed by 1 GHz processors? But I really like this phone, just cant decide if its worth it or not cause othere than the processor, it is AMAZING, if only they uped it to like 700 something cause.. COME ONE 1 GHz phones???
I seriously think the only reason people think it is underpowered is because they aren't seeing a speed bump between it and the orginal touch pro. Does that mean that it's bad, insufficient, or underpowered? Not necessarily? I'm using a titan, so I haven't spent time with the TP or THD, but is more power needed? HTC has worked hard to improve the efficiency of their software and the smothness of the build. That was specifically mentioned by multiple reps at WDC (getting from vids, I wasn't there). There aren't many 3D games on these yet so really the only thing that I can image better specs making a significant difference in is video performance. How has the THD and TP done in these respects when using custom builds and being optimized?
If it's not necessary, I might prefer the lower specs as it will lead to better batter life and a lower cost. I don't want power just because it's possible. Rather, I want what is best for my overall experience.
Agreed - battery life is key and the phone looks to be powered just right for me and how I use it. I guess a phone in the hand is sometimes worth more than two in the bushes (or drawing boards...). I'm pretty sure I'm gonna go for it as soon as it's out for AT&T.
~Eric
so its going to suffer the same video issues that plague the HD, diamond and the Pro. what a bore.
i will wait for the touch pro 3 if it has a dpad and softkeys.
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so its going to suffer the same video issues that plague the HD, diamond and the Pro. what a bore.
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Don't have those models or have even seen them. I have the antiquated Vogue and I've never experienced a video problem unless I try to play a movie far too outsized for the device. then frames drop like mad. But if I use it sensibly the video is great. My chief complaint is that at times the audio will go perhaps a half second out of sync. Nothing intolerable.
Yeah but also if 1 GHz phones coemout a few months after this then they will all be cabable of peforming htings that this phone never will be, its not that its not enougph power, especially when your coming from a tilt, but at the same time to think that the phones could be over powered by otehre phones by such a large margin in a matter of months kinda scares me, but all the otehre thinkgsd they tweaked make me love this phone, better speakers, better touch scree, thinner phone, better battery life, and also highr resoultuion.
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Yeah but also if 1 GHz phones coemout a few months after this then they will all be cabable of peforming htings that this phone never will be, its not that its not enougph power, especially when your coming from a tilt, but at the same time to think that the phones could be over powered by otehre phones by such a large margin in a matter of months kinda scares me, but all the otehre thinkgsd they tweaked make me love this phone, better speakers, better touch scree, thinner phone, better battery life, and also highr resoultuion.
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I don't quite get that argument. Computers in virtually every form factor have always been overpowered in a matter of months. Hence Moore's Law. That doesn't seem to me like a good reason to wait. You'll be able to make the same argument when the 1GHz phones are available. "1.5 GHZ phones are just around the corner! Don't buy now! You won't be able to use the latest mobile Java Twitter client that might be released 6 months after the new phones are available."
Or pehaps wait for the TP4
If you wait 2 years you´ll have a better device than the TP2...
my main concern is that it has the same processor as the touch pro 1 and alot of the new phones had that too so maybe just a couple monts later better phones will comeo ut but yeah this phone has a lot of great features too
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my main concern is that it has the same processor as the touch pro 1 and alot of the new phones had that too so maybe just a couple monts later better phones will comeo ut but yeah this phone has a lot of great features too
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Perhaps, but as has been mentioned elsewhere it seems likely to me that the roadblock to faster processors is not the technology of the processor per se, but the battery life.
Would you take twice the processor at half the battery? Or 30% greater size/weight? No idea if the change is that drastic, and some people obviously would make that trade. But I don't think that phone would have the target market that this one does - and my suspicion is that such a target market would be much smaller than is practical for anything but a luxury phone. The same sort of market that spends $1000 for a wallpaper app.
In any case, while advances in batteries are being made, I'm not aware of any substantial improvements ready for production on the horizon.
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Perhaps, but as has been mentioned elsewhere it seems likely to me that the roadblock to faster processors is not the technology of the processor per se, but the battery life.
Would you take twice the processor at half the battery? Or 30% greater size/weight? No idea if the change is that drastic, and some people obviously would make that trade. But I don't think that phone would have the target market that this one does - and my suspicion is that such a target market would be much smaller than is practical for anything but a luxury phone. The same sort of market that spends $1000 for a wallpaper app.
In any case, while advances in batteries are being made, I'm not aware of any substantial improvements ready for production on the horizon.
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I guess you have a pretty good point, I just hope that other phones at that are released at the same time are faster and lighter
Well, I can understand the frustration with an unchanged processor at 500 MHz and a doubling to 1GHz right around the corner. However, I think it will be sufficient. Either way, I won't be able to buy till December anyway so I'll have a pretty good idea about what's coming out next and might have more options besides the Rhodium on Sprint.
Either way, my main requirements are still there. Large and High Res touchscreen (VGA or WVGA), hardware keyboard, and a decent amount of hardware buttons (getting worse )
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Either way, my main requirements are still there. Large and High Res touchscreen (VGA or WVGA), hardware keyboard, and a decent amount of hardware buttons (getting worse )
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Heh...my requirements are almost the opposite, except for the screen. The Rhodium would be perfect for me if it just didn't have that damn keyboard. Maybe Sprint will come out with something like the HD2 for me, but it's not looking like it'll be 2009 if they do.
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Heh...my requirements are almost the opposite, except for the screen. The Rhodium would be perfect for me if it just didn't have that damn keyboard. Maybe Sprint will come out with something like the HD2 for me, but it's not looking like it'll be 2009 if they do.
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I think we'll see more hit in 2009 (not necessarily from HTC). Also, I really think we'll see the screens keep getting bigger as they can continue to shove it closer to the edge of the device and make the device thinner. Eventually, I wouldn't be surprised if we maxed out at a 4.1 inch WVGA screen. You could do it in a device the size of the iPhone, we just probably aren't quite there technologically.
Well yeah ur right technoledgy will alwaye become better, so i think I would just get this phone unless there are better phones out thwne it comes out which i doubt will hapeen
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Perhaps, but as has been mentioned elsewhere it seems likely to me that the roadblock to faster processors is not the technology of the processor per se, but the battery life.
Would you take twice the processor at half the battery? Or 30% greater size/weight? No idea if the change is that drastic, and some people obviously would make that trade. But I don't think that phone would have the target market that this one does - and my suspicion is that such a target market would be much smaller than is practical for anything but a luxury phone. The same sort of market that spends $1000 for a wallpaper app.
In any case, while advances in batteries are being made, I'm not aware of any substantial improvements ready for production on the horizon.
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Not relevant: a fast processor car throtle down its speed to spare energy
Besides the new 1 Ghz processor will be engraved with a smaller process --> should also save energy. I havent checked the power consumption of the new Ghz processor but I can bet it is likely to be the same
It's quite likely HTC just wnated to save money (Or was not ready yet to integrate the new processor in its product)
About video issues: it's not a matter of speed of the processor but if I recall well video drivers issues (Hopefully they fixed it with the Rhodium but I doubt it. It seems HTC doesnt care)
What would be exciting to wait for is a phone with the new Tegra from nvidia. It will actually probably come out in the next few months
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Heh...my requirements are almost the opposite, except for the screen. The Rhodium would be perfect for me if it just didn't have that damn keyboard. Maybe Sprint will come out with something like the HD2 for me, but it's not looking like it'll be 2009 if they do.
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Why dont you go for the Diamond2 then ?
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Not relevant: a fast processor car throtle down its speed to spare energy
Besides the new 1 Ghz processor will be engraved with a smaller process --> should also save energy. I havent checked the power consumption of the new Ghz processor but I can bet it is likely to be the same
It's quite likely HTC just wnated to save money (Or was not ready yet to integrate the new processor in its product)
About video issues: it's not a matter of speed of the processor but if I recall well video drivers issues (Hopefully they fixed it with the Rhodium but I doubt it. It seems HTC doesnt care)
What would be exciting to wait for is a phone with the new Tegra from nvidia. It will actually probably come out in the next few months
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but since thats not a htc phone doesnt that mean it wont be on xda's website, and if thats the caase, im not sure its worth the 472 MHz lol
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Why dont you go for the Diamond2 then ?
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Smaller screen.
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I read a little about the htc super star, so which do you think for better?
For starters I tryed to dig up a little information and found(I think all this stuff was leaked so im not sure how acurate it is now cause the superstar isnt even on htx wordwide website yet):
Touch pro 2:
528 MHz processor[288 MB of RAM
Ships with WM 6.1 but has can be upgraded to 6.5 when it comes out
full qwerty keyboard and it tilts too ]
3.6 inch WVGA touch screen
Confirmed to exist lol
Superstar
600 MHz processor
256 MB RAM
ships with WM 6.5
full qwerty keyboard
3.7 inch WVGA touch screen
I dont think it's been confirmed yet
Plus I think the processor are made by different companies, and I found all this stuff simply by Googling so I hope this is convenient but I cannot confirm all this is accurate, especially for the superstar but feel free to add info in comments, and of coarse, tell which one you think is better.
I will start the discussion by stating my opionion, and thats that the touch pro 2 is better cause it has more ram a tilting keyboard, and a zoom bar and looks way better, so with that, let the discussion begin! lol
Hope superstar have a face soon...I can wait a year more to upgrade to something REAL good
"The Superstar however is the real mystery, and the only device which can not be identified from the known specs. The Nvidia AP16 chipset is likely referring to nVidia APX Tegra platform, which I am sure it very encouraging news to us enthusiasts disappointed by Qualcomm. The 3.7 inch WVGA screen near guarantees a media-focused device, which is something I think very many of us are waiting for.
See FuzeMobility for more info."
Here more info from the first thread on the theme
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=495830
Superstar sounds nice. I hope it does use nVidia!
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Superstar sounds nice. I hope it does use nVidia!
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but what is the main difference in the processor, its only 72 MHz more so what the touch pro 2 has a tiliting screen and a full qwerty keyboard and a zoom bar and dual speakers and dual mics, now thats awesome
The superstar is a completely different processor class and should be much much faster (don't just compare the rated speed). Like going from 486 to 586 in the PC world. The Tegra chipset is also 1080P video capable and there are many other goodies with a mean integrated graphics processor. The Pro 2 is good, but hardware that has been around for quite a while.
In that case then you got me salivating. However, I really doubt this thing comes to Sprint here in the states. If they bring out the TP2 Q3 of 09, why would they follow it up so quickly with this? I hope I'm wrong though as I'm upgrading in december. fingers crossed that something even cooler than the TP2 will be around.
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The superstar is a completely different processor class and should be much much faster (don't just compare the rated speed). Like going from 486 to 586 in the PC world. The Tegra chipset is also 1080P video capable and there are many other goodies with a mean integrated graphics processor. The Pro 2 is good, but hardware that has been around for quite a while.
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so wait do you think this it would be worth waiting like half a year for this phone? and also do you think it will make it o the us, cause some phones like the touch hd never did
The superstar is superior, it will most likely feature HDMI out because it has HD capabilities, here is a pic:
http://www.sweclockers.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=845054
The graphic will be able to play the real quake 3 with ease, it can play hd for 10 hours and music for 30 hours
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The superstar is superior, it will most likely feature HDMI out because it has HD capabilities, here is a pic:
http://www.sweclockers.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=845054
The graphic will be able to play the real quake 3 with ease, it can play hd for 10 hours and music for 30 hours
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wow that amazing.. so do you think it will come to the us, preferabley t-mobile, and if so when do you think it will?
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The superstar is superior, it will most likely feature HDMI out because it has HD capabilities, here is a pic:
http://www.sweclockers.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=845054
The graphic will be able to play the real quake 3 with ease, it can play hd for 10 hours and music for 30 hours
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wait a sec... I googled it and found this pic:
http://www.gsmdome.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/nvideadevice.jpg
if its really THAT thick... yeah... umm I would expect specs that high but it doesn't look like that would even fit in my pocket. or maybe it just looks really bulky in the pic, but if you think of it that way then the htc shift is already out and is by far the best phone ever, so why doesn't every one get that? aside from the price, its WAY to big for a phone, so if the superstar is that big I would prefer a less powerful phone like the touch pro 2, or maybe that pics a fake. but I doubt it because it would explain why this device is so far ahead of other phones, but some people prefer bigger more powerful phones, just like the shift is a bigger phone than the touch pro 2 but is better, and I will admit even the touch pro 2 is big, but I draw the line when it is to big to fit in my pocket, but then again that's just my opinion on the touch pro 2 vs. the superstar btw after seeing that pic my opinion changed a lot lol
I don't think it's as big as it looks. In fact, I think it's just a REALLY stupid marketing pic. From the screen size, it looks about the same size on the front ast the Touch HD. The thickness is questionable, but I think the poor picture makes it look thicker than it really is. I'm guessing it's a little bit thicker than a Titan. The TP2 is a little bit less. Still would be bigger than the TP2, but maybe worth the sacrifice.
That said, (and I really have know information to back this up) I'd bet a paycheck they don't bring this to the states through a major carrier.
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I don't think it's as big as it looks. In fact, I think it's just a REALLY stupid marketing pic. From the screen size, it looks about the same size on the front ast the Touch HD. The thickness is questionable, but I think the poor picture makes it look thicker than it really is. I'm guessing it's a little bit thicker than a Titan. The TP2 is a little bit less. Still would be bigger than the TP2, but maybe worth the sacrifice.
That said, (and I really have know information to back this up) I'd bet a paycheck they don't bring this to the states through a major carrier.
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thats possible they didnt bring a lot of really nice phones to the u.s, but the touch pro 2 is still pretty nice, just a little under powered, if it had better graphics and a better processor, that would be the best phone ever lol
i don't mind having a big phone as long as it fits in my pocket i like the touchpro 2 and will be a nice back up if the superstar isn't in my budget or if it doesn't come to the us i'm currently using a wizard with a extended battery pack at times so i don't think a phone can get much thicker then that
htc superstar looks like a winner to me
but im interested and seeing about the buttons there seems to be a lack of buttons but i'm pretty sure it will have a g-sensor in it so that can kinda work in replace of the buttons
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i don't mind having a big phone as long as it fits in my pocket i like the touchpro 2 and will be a nice back up if the superstar isn't in my budget or if it doesn't come to the us i'm currently using a wizard with a extended battery pack at times so i don't think a phone can get much thicker then that
htc superstar looks like a winner to me
but im interested and seeing about the buttons there seems to be a lack of buttons but i'm pretty sure it will have a g-sensor in it so that can kinda work in replace of the buttons
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well based on that pic, (I used the size of the hdmi port as a base for the size) am starting to wonder if the phone really will fit in an average sized pocket... and if it does, it sure will be very tight in the pocket and fell uncomfortable
thats not actually the superstar its was just an Nvidea phone concept. as of now there are no pics of the Superstar available. check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeupVAMnvFA
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thats not actually the superstar its was just an Nvidea phone concept. as of now there are no pics of the Superstar available. check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeupVAMnvFA
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U beat me to it, that iz Nvidia's concept phone/mid that they made from since the start of 2007 or 2008. I will be getting the TP2 first then sell it on Ebay when the superStar comes out. If the SuperStar comes out an work like it does in the following video I will be really sold. Also I heard that it iz coming out Q4 '09. Here is a video of their Windows CE made UI, very fresh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQa9nP4yyms
yea that's goin to be a really nice device i think i might have to steal your idea zellbz sell get the pro2 and then when the superstar comes out do some testing and then sell the pro2 online on ebay or two a friend.
i dont think the size of the phone will be to bad it i'm a pretty big guy anyway so a bigger device is a plus
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yea that's goin to be a really nice device i think i might have to steal your idea zellbz sell get the pro2 and then when the superstar comes out do some testing and then sell the pro2 online on ebay or two a friend.
i dont think the size of the phone will be to bad it i'm a pretty big guy anyway so a bigger device is a plus
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thats not a bad idea lol (the selling the tpro 2 thing) but if I was to do that I think I would just wait for a newer phone than the superstar SO I think I will go for the Touch pro 2
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thats not a bad idea lol (the selling the tpro 2 thing) but if I was to do that I think I would just wait for a newer phone than the superstar SO I think I will go for the Touch pro 2
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yea that's tru especially if the tegra chips really live up to the hype that they are bringing
I remember this concept pic. from when they first announced that nvidia chipset. I doubt the superstar with look like that at all. In fact, it will probably be a tablet pc like the athena. btw, does the TP2 have a graphics processor at all?
My TP2 just shipped (I guess I'll recieve it in 2 or 3 days) and I just saw today that the Omnia Pro is set to be out in August
http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/samsung-b7610-louvre-rematerializes-specd-and-caught-on-camera/
Much more powerful processor than the TP2 AND slimmer phone
Aaaahhh I feel so bad
That said I think the TP2 looks better (but it's fatter..........)
TP2 still better IMO.
I only thinking of HTC Snapdragon based device after this.
Better ? Mmh I dont think so but I hope I am wrong
I also forgot about the better camera, and extra memory
But yeah I love TOuchFlo + the great support from XDA, so... at least that gives me a bit less regrets (Besides the keyboard of the TP is probably better (Though I dont care that much)
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My TP2 just shipped (I guess I'll recieve it in 2 or 3 days) and I just saw today that the Omnia Pro is set to be out in August
http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/samsung-b7610-louvre-rematerializes-specd-and-caught-on-camera/
Much more powerful processor than the TP2 AND slimmer phone
Aaaahhh I feel so bad
That said I think the TP2 looks better (but it's fatter..........)
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I read that the interface is (at least at the moment) sluggish despite the CPU, and I hate the ergonomics (tilt, keyboard) of the device. I'm curious about 2 things on the OmPro, 1) how much battery life the AMOLED screen saves over LCD and 2) what performance increase comes from the video acceleration it advertises. For now, I actually have more good to say about the cheaply constructed acer m900.
Specs aren't everything[/sacrilege].
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I read that the interface is (at least at the moment) sluggish despite the CPU, and I hate the ergonomics (tilt, keyboard) of the device. I'm curious about 2 things on the OmPro, 1) how much battery life the AMOLED screen saves over LCD and 2) what performance increase comes from the video acceleration it advertises. For now, I actually have more good to say about the cheaply constructed acer m900.
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True I forgot the AMOLED screen
Even if it doesnt save much energy, you can at elast expect it to ahve way better contrast than regular LED screens
Specs arent everything, but it is Samsung. You can expect them to do much better than Eten
Much better pics there:
http://www.techchee.com/2009/06/14/samsung-louvre-b7610-pictures-and-specs/
Aaah it looks so slim compared to the TP2
Probably lighter as well I guess
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That depends on what you mean by "better". Better build quality and specs, sure. But there's almost nothing on the OmPro that really draws me in yet. The TP2's processor is fast enough. TP2's RAM (not clear on what amount of memory is reserved for active processes on the OmPro) is enough to do what I want. TP2's ergonomics are untouched and its interface has been optimized and honed across several past models.
What does draw my eye on the lower quality Acer device is that, out of the box, the biometric sensor that was designed solely for checking fingerprints multitasks--without making room for a big dpad, Acer has still provided what seems to be a very usable and versatile navigation aid while still saving space and adding a nice security feature. I suspect the TP2's zoom bar will also be hacked for similar functionality, but the added options aren't there out of the box. The m900 pulled a little rabbit out of it's hat with this one, and I think it deserves props.
I also noticed that the m900 has a built-in menu for auto-rotation settings by program, out of the box. The TP2 needs an external program for that functionality, and I wouldn't be surprised if the OmPro did too.
I suspect a lot of people will be drawn to the OmPros based on the specsheet alone, and if that happens, I'm actually glad. That just means the TP2 will face some more price pressure, and I might get a better deal. If I sit down next to an OmPro user, I don't anticipate feeling envy so mush as pity, because long after they've started lusting after the next higher spec'd device (often probably for little reason other than some of the numbers are "bigger"), I'm still going to be profoundly content with my choice.
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That depends on what you mean by "better". Better build quality and specs, sure. But there's almost nothing on the OmPro that really draws me in yet. The TP2's processor is fast enough. TP2's RAM (not clear on what amount of memory is reserved for active processes on the OmPro) is enough to do what I want. TP2's ergonomics are untouched and its interface has been optimized and honed across several past models.
What does draw my eye on the lower quality Acer device is that, out of the box, the biometric sensor that was designed solely for checking fingerprints multitasks--without making room for a big dpad, Acer has still provided what seems to be a very usable and versatile navigation aid while still saving space and adding a nice security feature. I suspect the TP2's zoom bar will also be hacked for similar functionality, but the added options aren't there out of the box. The m900 pulled a little rabbit out of it's hat with this one, and I think it deserves props.
I also noticed that the m900 has a built-in menu for auto-rotation settings by program, out of the box. The TP2 needs an external program for that functionality, and I wouldn't be surprised if the OmPro did too.
I suspect a lot of people will be drawn to the OmPros based on the specsheet alone, and if that happens, I'm actually glad. That just means the TP2 will face some more price pressure, and I might get a better deal. If I sit down next to an OmPro user, I don't anticipate feeling envy so mush as pity, because long after they've started lusting after the next higher spec'd device (often probably for little reason other than some of the numbers are "bigger"), I'm still going to be profoundly content with my choice.
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My Hermes is fast enough too... It's a bit funny to say you pity people going for the best specs [Though I understand what you mean: implementation is key]. "Fast enough" always depends on what you are aiming for... If you want to do gaming with your phone, you are always happier to have something fast
It's very likely the Samsung camera will be better than the TP2 (Samsung is a camera maker, and the camera is supposed to have an autostabilizer + a flash)
It is quite obvious from the pics it is also slimmer and I find it difficult to say you prefer a fatter phone in your pocket (Personally I dont)
The screen is quite likely to look better than the TP2's (However the "touch" part of the screen may not be as good) and will draw less juice (how much less, that we dont know)
I do agree the interface should be better on the TP2 (though we may see TouchFlo 3D adapted for the Omnia) and the phone looks better (I dont like the Samsung black & orange look)
As far as the price is concerned you are most likely right. However I wont enjoy the pressure on price since I already orderd my unit
In the end I thnk the TP2 looks a bit better, but fatter and with specs probably not as good, for maybe a hiher price than the one rumored for the Samsung
Dont take me wrong, I love HTC (It's my second HTC device), but this doesnt prevent me from being critical and not acting like an inconditional fan boy
Anyway TP2 will be enough for me to wait for a Tegra device (We'll need it if we want decent games... Typically the new iPhone will probably rock for this (Until tegra arrives and potentially proves to be better)
I am not sure it looks thinner by a lot. Maybe a few mm. Nothing that you can really wow about it. Samsung will reveal this phone, if its true, this month. You will have some real measurements then. HTC will also be revealing a line of new phones on 24 June. So maybe there will be more surprises. Maybe some Snapdragon goodies.
Don't be sad, I have just ordered mine too and it has yet to arrive. I still waiting for my carrier to call me to pick it up (should be today, fingers x). There will always be new things arriving and new technologies that will beat todays tech. So why be sad. Knowing that this upgrade for me is what will keep me happy for another 12 to 18 months puts a smile on my face already. By then, there will be 1.0+ GHz CPUs, GBs of storage space, GBs of RAM, Millions of colours and brilliant LCDs. Maybe a TP3 even.
This phone won't be available until 3Q. Look at the Omnia HD. It was announced back in February. It came out in June (only in some countries and not even here in Asia yet). So it took nearly 4 months. And the styling of the phone changed completely. So don't hold your breath on it. If the annoucement is gonna be made in June / July. You won't see the phone until October at the earliest and we won't see it until Xmas in Asia. Samsung takes ages to launch their phones over here.
So why wait and the long face?
I think the touch pro 2 looks better, and the design (especially the keyboard) is better. Apart from the processor, I don't see any improvements..
There probably is a long way to go optimizing this new processor also.
This is the first omnia trying to get to the bussiness people, so I am curious how that will happen. I never seen the UI but it sound really good. If it's really that good, I think it will be available via this forum for us too
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I am not sure it looks thinner by a lot. Maybe a few mm. Nothing that you can really wow about it. Samsung will reveal this phone, if its true, this month. You will have some real measurements then. HTC will also be revealing a line of new phones on 24 June. So maybe there will be more surprises. Maybe some Snapdragon goodies.
Don't be sad, I have just ordered mine too and it has yet to arrive. I still waiting for my carrier to call me to pick it up (should be today, fingers x). There will always be new things arriving and new technologies that will beat todays tech. So why be sad. Knowing that this upgrade for me is what will keep me happy for another 12 to 18 months puts a smile on my face already. By then, there will be 1.0+ GHz CPUs, GBs of storage space, GBs of RAM, Millions of colours and brilliant LCDs. Maybe a TP3 even.
This phone won't be available until 3Q. Look at the Omnia HD. It was announced back in February. It came out in June (only in some countries and not even here in Asia yet). So it took nearly 4 months. And the styling of the phone changed completely. So don't hold your breath on it. If the annoucement is gonna be made in June / July. You won't see the phone until October at the earliest and we won't see it until Xmas in Asia. Samsung takes ages to launch their phones over here.
So why wait and the long face?
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Thanks for cheering me up. No reaso to be sad, it will be anyway definitely better than my Hermes (Cant believe all my friends switched from Hermes to iPhone...)
Anyway my purchase is exactly in the same purpose as yours: wait for mature, well balanced tegra or snapdragon phones with better screens, camera, etc... ie roughly 1 year from now
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Thanks for cheering me up. No reaso to be sad, it will be anyway definitely better than my Hermes (Cant believe all my friends switched from Hermes to iPhone...)
Anyway my purchase is exactly in the same purpose as yours: wait for mature, well balanced tegra or snapdragon phones with better screens, camera, etc... ie roughly 1 year from now
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You are welcome mate!
There will be many of us sitting in the same boat for the next 12 months. Some will jump on and some will jump off. Hopefully support for this phone will be as great as the HD, so there will be many of more tweaks and upgrades to make this phone being 'THE' phone to have for 2009.
in my opinion, the TP2 will probably be the best in its class for the year to come even over any Samsung competition, mainly because of the stability and work put into the integration of the HTC software and WM OS. Samsung has great specs, but their software leaves a lot to be desired. I had an Omnia and a Blackjack 2 and they were extremely buggy, as with most WM machines I had. But with HTC Touch HD and onwards, they've really come close to making the OS as stable and quick as possible. The processor and specs look enticing on the new Samsung, but I'm confident that the TP2 will still out perform it in real life usage. (another case in point is that I had the Samsung INNOV8, the Nokia N96-killer...great hardware, but never came out with a new firmware and was always buggy and choppy to use).
So for right now, I don't think anyone should regret picking up the TP2 or Diamond 2...both excellent pieces of engineering. The real waiting should be for the next generation of snapdragon units...
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in my opinion, the TP2 will probably be the best in its class for the year to come even over any Samsung competition, mainly because of the stability and work put into the integration of the HTC software and WM OS. Samsung has great specs, but their software leaves a lot to be desired...
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Totally agree! I tried playing around with the TouchWiz and it is crap. Don't like it at all. Don't like the widgets and stuff on it where you can move things around. It makes it look messy. I was never keen on those moving around thingies. I know they are trying to achieve a desktop feel but it just looks weird on a vertical screen.
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My Hermes is fast enough too... It's a bit funny to say you pity people going for the best specs [Though I understand what you mean: implementation is key]. "Fast enough" always depends on what you are aiming for... If you want to do gaming with your phone, you are always happier to have something fast
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The device comes with DLNA, a connectivity regime that I gather is for displaying video between devices. I could understand an increasing need for speed for someone who wanted to store HD vids and TV-out them to an HD set, but there, I'd be skeptical that 800mhz would do the trick (which is part of why I mentioned being interested in how much performance you could get from the video acceleration mentioned in the specs) until I actually saw it in action. It's one of those things where, unless the vid accel is awesome, it probably works JUST well enough, and then in 6-12 months once the novelty wears and the defects really shine, the user is going to be drooling over some 1+ ghz snapdragons. Once you start looking at some of these devices on a price per month basis in situations like that, they look less attractive.
I'm not sure what games are available for WinMo that really push specs. Are you plugged into that? Is it just about looking for more hertz for better emulation performance? Or are there some serious native titles available that lag on current hardware or have settings you can crank up for better performance?
The thing is, there are tons of peeps who think 800mhz MUST be better than 500mhz, even though they have no particular application category where the processor is a real bottleneck. Clockspeed is, both in mobiles and desktops, a decreasingly useful metric for actual performance increases. Infrastructure is more and more important, and software optimization is the great undiscovered country in computing performance.
It is quite obvious from the pics it is also slimmer and I find it difficult to say you prefer a fatter phone in your pocket (Personally I dont)
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If you look at girth as a single feature, you're right, it's hard to argue. If you look at it as a balancing act between features, then the question isn't "fatter or thinner" but rather "fatter with better ergonomics or thinner with worse ergonomics". In this case I'm weighing the TP2's 5 row, offset, well-spaced (and potentially better tactile feedback) keyboard and tilt ability against the apparently (are there measurements yet?) thinner OmPro without them. Given that we're talking about a couple of mm, I'm totally willing to sacrifice thinner for the ergonomics. It is a personal choice, but not an indefensible one
The screen is quite likely to look better than the TP2's (However the "touch" part of the screen may not be as good) and will draw less juice (how much less, that we dont know)
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Battery life in portables is a huge factor for me. It plays into usability in a big way. If AMOLED really delivers, I will be wooed, just not before I see hard proof. If Samsung can't deliver the type of resistive screen responsiveness HTC managed in this round, that might be wash.
Dont take me wrong, I love HTC (It's my second HTC device), but this doesnt prevent me from being critical and not acting like an inconditional fan boy
Anyway TP2 will be enough for me to wait for a Tegra device (We'll need it if we want decent games... Typically the new iPhone will probably rock for this (Until tegra arrives and potentially proves to be better)
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This will be my very first HTC, and my very first winmo. I look at devices based on what they bring to the table, not on who made them (thus the Acer props). So I'm not trying to attack you for being disloyal , just attempting to reassure you that the two things you mentioned in the OP weren't necessarily worth hari kari.
If someone will really rip off some of HTC's best work in the very near future and throw in a snapdragon, well, yeah, then let the disemboweling commence.
Guys,
according to today's release notes Omnia Pro has 135MB RAM.
1GB is for ROM.
That's a far cry from TP2's 288 MB RAM.
If this is true, it's just not enough, regardless of the nice screen (AMOLED), potentially faster CPU (Mhz is not everything, needs to be benched) and nicer camera.
On WM devices RAM is the 2nd most important thing after CPU or your device slows to a crawl
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Guys,
according to today's release notes Omnia Pro has 135MB RAM.
1GB is for ROM.
That's a far cry from TP2's 288 MB RAM.
If this is true, it's just not enough, regardless of the nice screen (AMOLED), potentially faster CPU (Mhz is not everything, needs to be benched) and nicer camera.
On WM devices RAM is the 2nd most important thing after CPU or your device slows to a crawl
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yeha if it's true you defintely cheer me up
135MB is a little bit weird number though...
Yeah Mhz is not everything (For instance I never ever owned a Pentium P4 ehehe) hwoever in this field Samsung processor have the repuation of usually being faster clock for clock (Again I agree with you it definitely depends on the architecture of the processor)
Just got mine today as said before. Let me tell you. NO REGRETS WHATSOEVER!
You will see when you get yours mate. Man, it's a beauty!
The guys gave you technical reasons why our tp2 is still better... mine is much more simple.. the tp2 is still prettier and sexier....
Is there kind of flash for camera in TP2? My X01HT has white beam turning on when activating "flash". Thanks.
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Just got mine today as said before. Let me tell you. NO REGRETS WHATSOEVER!
You will see when you get yours mate. Man, it's a beauty!
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So i'm thinking about getting a new phone, and i've been following the touch pro 2 for awhile since it was announced, and it's always caught my interest. Right now i'd be paying 350 since i'm under tmobile, i'm just wondering from peoples opinions is it worth it?
can someone layout the pros and the cons on the phone for me? thanks.
Welcome to forums
Of course it´s worth every cent!
Redundant if we post here pros and cons
Better read and search!!
Good luck,
I paid $688.88 for my unlocked/unbranded version a couple months back and I have no regrets.
Paid $525 and I can't put it down! Worth every cent and thank god I made the switch and left the Blackberry world. I will not lie, I did hesitate to leave my Blackberry 8900 even after tracking the TP2 for like a month. Blackberry has nothing on HTC TP2.
I guess imma just shut up and get it haha. sorry for not using the search function. just got really curious
Pros:
the lovely, lovely physical keyboard - I just can't tell you how useful this is;
large, bright, high-res screen (3.6", 800x480);
excellent support from this website;
very good call quality (so long as you don't get the T-mobile version);
some very neat business-oriented features (e.g. if you put the phone down face-down in mid conversation it automatically switches to speaker-phone);
noise-cancelling so other people can hear you clearly over traffic;
TouchFLO interface is quite nice;
running Windows Mobile means a huge range of downloadable apps;
built-in Word, Excel and Powerpoint support.
Cons:
not everyone likes Windows Mobile, and you find yourself dumped into it more often than you'd expect - this also limits you to 16-bit colour;
HTC and Qualcomm between them have somehow managed to arrange things so that 3rd party apps cannot make use of the GPU, which makes video playback decidedly iffy;
larger and much heavier than most phones (that's the price of the keyboard);
uses much the same hardware as phones released a year ago (much less powerful than an iPhone 3GS or even the latest Samsung models);
thoroughly mediocre camera with no flash;
no one version of the phone will work everywhere in the world (as far as I know);
most versions lack a 3.5mm headphone jack, so if you want to use anything other than the bundled headphones you need an adapter, and unless you have a very fancy adapter you can't listen to music on it and charge it at the same time;
unimpressive battery life;
resistive touch-screen is better than most, but less responsive than a capacitive screen and cannot ever support multi-touch (although a capacitive screen wouldn't allow you to use a stylus, so there are swings and roundabouts);
lack of on-board storage.
paid $900 for mine on ebay before official launch - been with it on safaris in Africa , paddled and plotted my course on lower Zambezi with hippos.... It's worth every cent.
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paid $900 for mine on ebay before official launch - been with it on safaris in Africa , paddled and plotted my course on lower Zambezi with hippos.... It's worth every cent.
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wouldn't go that far but it is a great phone.
Saying that, like with every device I'd think seriously about what you want your phone to do.
I wanted a web browsing, business phone communicator. Its close to perfect.
If you're looking for a slim camera music player etc.? Stay well away.
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Never say never
Especially the second one is a software only solution, since the Nokia 5800 also has a resistive touch screen.
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/9051_Multi-touch_on_resistive_touch.php
http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/03/03/nokia-5800-gets-experimental-multitouch/
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So i'm thinking about getting a new phone, and i've been following the touch pro 2 for awhile since it was announced, and it's always caught my interest. Right now i'd be paying 350 since i'm under tmobile, i'm just wondering from peoples opinions is it worth it?
can someone layout the pros and the cons on the phone for me? thanks.
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I moved to this phone from a G1 (and an iPhone before that) on tmobile, and IMHO this is the best phone available with tmobile 3G right now. Fast, stable, and with WM you have tons of options for customizing/personalizing your handset. So far (had it about a week) i really see no cons with this device, if anything it'd be its size, but its not a complaint by me, its the same size as a G1.
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Pros:
the lovely, lovely physical keyboard - I just can't tell you how useful this is;
large, bright, high-res screen (3.6", 800x480);
excellent support from this website;
very good call quality (so long as you don't get the T-mobile version);
some very neat business-oriented features (e.g. if you put the phone down face-down in mid conversation it automatically switches to speaker-phone);
noise-cancelling so other people can hear you clearly over traffic;
TouchFLO interface is quite nice;
running Windows Mobile means a huge range of downloadable apps;
built-in Word, Excel and Powerpoint support.
Cons:
not everyone likes Windows Mobile, and you find yourself dumped into it more often than you'd expect - this also limits you to 16-bit colour;
HTC and Qualcomm between them have somehow managed to arrange things so that 3rd party apps cannot make use of the GPU, which makes video playback decidedly iffy;
larger and much heavier than most phones (that's the price of the keyboard);
uses much the same hardware as phones released a year ago (much less powerful than an iPhone 3GS or even the latest Samsung models);
thoroughly mediocre camera with no flash;
no one version of the phone will work everywhere in the world (as far as I know);
most versions lack a 3.5mm headphone jack, so if you want to use anything other than the bundled headphones you need an adapter, and unless you have a very fancy adapter you can't listen to music on it and charge it at the same time;
unimpressive battery life;
resistive touch-screen is better than most, but less responsive than a capacitive screen and cannot ever support multi-touch (although a capacitive screen wouldn't allow you to use a stylus, so there are swings and roundabouts);
lack of on-board storage.
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dunno if this is considered reviving a dead thread or anything thats my own but
the size isn't a problem for me, i've owned a windows mobile phone before and liked it but whats wrong with the tmobile version? and is the battery life really that bad?
I'm pleased with mine. Basically I had an MDA for almost 3 and a half years, with a short try of a Wing. Great winmobile phone, haven't had too much battery problems, phone quality seems ok, better than the MDA.
And the phone senses when it's close to your ear--no more false button pushes!
Cheers,
Tom
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but whats wrong with the tmobile version? and is the battery life really that bad?
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The t-mobile version is rather oddly configured. Most of what's wrong with it can be corrected (all in one hit if you don't mind flashing it with a different ROM) but it's a little fiddly. For example, the in-call volume seems to be lower on the t-mobile version - people complain that the sound is too quiet and "muffled". I believe this can be fixed by replacing a file with the equivalent from an unbranded phone, but it's still a fiddle if you expect things to work properly out of the box. I think the t-mobile version may also be set up to use Internet Explorer rather than Opera as the default browser. Again, it's not difficult to change this, it's just annoying.
The battery life is okay, but not great. If you're watching video clips or gaming you can completely drain a fully-charged battery in 3-4 hours.
Btw, one important draw-back that I forgot to mention is the lack of a D-pad - that's a real problem if you're a gamer.
General concensus for veteran WM users i found here is that almost all quite satisfied with TP2 out of the box, since these persons are coming from previous devices and know-well that TP2 is the 1st time HTC (almost) do it perfectly. In condition they didn't receive defect unit.
For new WM users, i see 50-50. But that's improvement, because with previous devices it can be as much as 20-80 (80% unsatisfied), with 20% are looking for ways to improve their devices. That's why now we have this great forum
i have the original EU version of this device and i must say that this is the best phone i used ever , and believe me i switch mobiles like socks ...
the most important thing for me is the stability of the OS , in my case i havnt done any soft reset since i got this device three weeks ago ( depens on your ROM version ect...)
another good thing is the speaker phone , try to compare it to the iphone 3gs and you will notice a big diffrence,
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General concensus for veteran WM users i found here is that almost all quite satisfied with TP2 out of the box, since these persons are coming from previous devices and know-well that TP2 is the 1st time HTC (almost) do it perfectly. In condition they didn't receive defect unit.
For new WM users, i see 50-50. But that's improvement, because with previous devices it can be as much as 20-80 (80% unsatisfied), with 20% are looking for ways to improve their devices. That's why now we have this great forum
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I would consider myself a wm vet, this is my 4rth wm phone and the TP2 if I purchase it will be my 5th. I can hardly run my TP at times because it is so slow. I have everything on my class 6 sd and some apps on my phone which is minimal. I am running nrg rom latest and I must say it is slow as balls.
I might even skip the tp2 because it shares the same chipset for att as the tp. Making it slow as balls but with a much larger screen. My favorite warez website just opened an Iphone section. all apps available, Gui much better, mms hacked, better graphics, shes lookin alot better these days. The tp2 just aint cuttin it as far as performance. I might just make the switch until HTC and winmo get there act together. Truely sad as I've been an iphone and apple hater for quite sometime. The truth is the tp2 lacks everything except the screen and keyboard. Winmo and htc are pushing me out with these piece of **** phones.
eh I might still get the tp2. I am seriously looking for reasons not to get the Icrap. Flame on aholes..
Well I've had the T-mobile version for about a month now and I have to say its pure Winsuace!!! Now as for the same chip set as the touch pro , that's not exactly ture. If you look around on the fourms, some one posted a link about where there was a dispute between Qulacom and another chipmaker about the cpu. So because of that the Touch Pros cpu contained some work arounds so it could be used and that made it slower. On the TP2 it contains no workarounds and its pretty snappy! Also I run a bunch of apps at once and it doesn't bog down So here's my two thumbs up!!!
i really dont see nothing wrong wit the tmo version of this phone.. besides the lack of 3.5mm jack and color change from the Euro version..
But the stock rom that comes with the phone is a bit off.. i had to flash it the first day i got it
but i wouldn't mind taking a euro version over the tmo one anyday.. one major reason that stop me from gettng the euro one is that it do not have 3G US bands on it.
Well it's too late now as I am now a proud owner of a Touch Pro 2
I love this thing already. flashed it with a new rom, whats the best radio to use? i'm not too familiar with the whole radio flashing thing like as in like whats the best one to use, so if someone could point me in the right direction? if not ill just search it.
Well it's too late now as I am now a proud owner of a Touch Pro 2
I love this thing already. flashed it with a new rom, whats the best radio to use? i'm not too familiar with the whole radio flashing thing like as in like whats the best one to use, so if someone could point me in the right direction? if not ill just search it.
Hi,
There was a lot of talk that HTC Desire suffers from overheating and random rebooting problems. Even worse, when they get their phone "repaired" after warranty service it still suffers from same problems, people needed to resend theirs Desire few times until its fixed. Well im planning to buy Desire but i wouldnt want those problems, in fact i pay quite a big price. One guy in this forum said that only two first motherboard revisions had that problem, but newer revisions no longer has this problem, altough i know a person who bought HTC Desire in late December, 2010, and well she said that her Desire sometimes gets hot somewhere in the bottom and reboots, but that doesnt happen often so thats not a problem for her. So seriously, what is the problem? If i will buy HTC Desire now is there a chance that i will have same problems? Or i should skip that phone and go straight to Desire HD or Desire S?
Thanks for answers
I'd go for desire s. Love my desire, but lack of space is really starting to annoy me. Had my mobo replaced few months ago, no reboots yet. Desire s is not MUCH better phone, but it looks like all the bad points with original desire have been rectified.
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I'd go for desire s. Love my desire, but lack of space is really starting to annoy me. Had my mobo replaced few months ago, no reboots yet. Desire s is not MUCH better phone, but it looks like all the bad points with original desire have been rectified.
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Well i would think the same, but we are still not sure about Desire S. How many problems will it have? Perhaps it will also have showstoppers? In fact i believe that Desire S in no way would have as rich selection of Roms as the original Desire or even Desire HD. Just because i dont think its gonna be popular enough, so no people will use that phone - no contribution they could do. Other than that i really like that phone from what ive seen, its even better than Desire, but its price is a bit too big imo for now, perhaps it will become cheaper after it will be released...
I don't know about the overheating problems. I got my Desire July last year and had no issues with it at all. I don't know about you but I would prob get Desire S, purely because it is newer. I doubt their would be any issues at all but if your still not 100% sure what to do, just wait a couple of months and see if there are any complaints about the Desire S. It probably wouldn't be as popular as the original Desire, but I reckon there will be a fair few devs out there that would do the work.
If you want to by pass all these issues with the Desire I recommend getting the HTC Evo 4G. It never over-heats nor has random reboots. Just for a little more cash it is well worth price.
You know what's crap about 4G? We don't have it in the UK.
Well im in Europe and it doesnt support cdma phones so Evo is no go for me. Today our local shop announced that Desire S will be available at early april with a price of 448 euros. The price isnt that bad, and in fact that after the phone gets in the shop and if you wait for a few weeks the price always drops by 30 euros, so it will be even better. In fact that original Desire has price of 405 euro, so i dont think i should get old one and probably will head straight to Desire S, but ill wait to ensure Desire s has no problems for about a month.
Best phone of the moment is lg optimus dual...believe me..better hardware, good price
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Best phone of the moment is lg optimus dual...believe me..better hardware, good price
Sent from my HTC Desire
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Im not going to go deep into dual core discussion, but you dont know what are you talking about. Current android versions doesnt even support dual cores, even when it will support it dual core cpu will gain zero performance boost in most operations, just because dual core 1ghz doesnt mean 2ghz. And seeing latest nvidia news makes me laugh, the quad core mobile cpus is just an absurd. Even on pc theres actually no programs or even video games which uses more than two cores (except for compiling and video decoding which most of you dont use), so why would we need quad core cpu on phone? The atrix users already have random rebooting issues, while snapdragon's second gen cpu doesnt have any problems at all. And from the hands on it actually feels that atrix, optimus 2x or even galaxy s2 have slight lag when switching through homescreens, but HTC phones are 100% smooth. So judging about phone's performance by looking at the specs is just silly.
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Im not going to go deep into dual core discussion, but you dont know what are you talking about. Current android versions doesnt even support dual cores, even when it will support it dual core cpu will gain zero performance boost in most operations, just because dual core 1ghz doesnt mean 2ghz. And seeing latest nvidia news makes me laugh, the quad core mobile cpus is just an absurd. Even on pc theres actually no programs or even video games which uses more than two cores (except for compiling and video decoding which most of you dont use), so why would we need quad core cpu on phone? The atrix users already have random rebooting issues, while snapdragon's second gen cpu doesnt have any problems at all. And from the hands on it actually feels that atrix, optimus 2x or even galaxy s2 have slight lag when switching through homescreens, but HTC phones are 100% smooth. So judging about phone's performance by looking at the specs is just silly.
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Actually i know that current android dont support multi core and i also know that 1gh dual core are not 2ghz..thanks anyway
..But android 2.4 will support multi core procesors..so if u want a phone thinking for a long period, then in my opinion that is a good choice..
"so why would we need quad core cpu on phone?" if u really think this, buy a nokia 6600
u must think in future purpose, this just my opinion...if u like buy a phone every year and have money for that, then do it..i had 3 phones in the last 8 years..every time i choice a phone to have for a long time..
sorry for my english
Android 2.4 is gingerbread for every other device apart from the nexus one and nexus s and a couple more phones. 2.4 does not support gingerbread either.
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If all ppl thought like you we would still go on horseback and there won't be any cars, planes and so on
In technical terms it is NEVER relevant if we really "NEED" it, because the important thing to evolve is to think "is it possible to do"!
Definitely quad core cpus is innovation, but its just an absurd because currently even pcs dont really use more than two cores for average user. If quad cores doesnt have anything useful for pcs how could they be useful to smartphone? Sorry but blindly following whats new is just stupid. Everything has boundaries. Why nobody makes pcs with 12 cores or even more now? Because it could be totally useless so pcs now dont get anything new because its already full featured and theres nothing you can add. The same story is with smart phones, why would you need it? Are you planning to compile applications with your phone? As some people say: Talk loud, repeat that few times and people will believe it. Im not going to be victim of adverts. Everyone chooses what they like, i choose HTC just because its reliable, smooth software, not like crappy LG or Samsung which has good hardware but poor software. In fact in day to day operations dual core phones like galaxy s2 or optimus 2x felt even laggier than HTC devices. Just because their software is crap.
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Definitely quad core cpus is innovation, but its just an absurd because currently even pcs dont really use more than two cores for average user. If quad cores doesnt have anything useful for pcs how could they be useful to smartphone? Sorry but blindly following whats new is just stupid. Everything has boundaries. Why nobody makes pcs with 12 cores or even more now? Because it could be totally useless so pcs now dont get anything new because its already full featured and theres nothing you can add. The same story is with smart phones, why would you need it? Are you planning to compile applications with your phone? As some people say: Talk loud, repeat that few times and people will believe it. Im not going to be victim of adverts. Everyone chooses what they like, i choose HTC just because its reliable, smooth software, not like crappy LG or Samsung which has good hardware but poor software. In fact in day to day operations dual core phones like galaxy s2 or optimus 2x felt even laggier than HTC devices. Just because their software is crap.
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between Apple and HTC, I'd say HTC is laggier & I have both.
I have near zero faith in LG & Samsung in software fixes. I'd rather go for Nokia for reliable hardware
HTC Desire is laggy as hell for me when I was using unrooted froyo so best not to judge a phone by it's cover. (Laggy as in really sluggish performance in terms of web browsing/certain gaming lag not to mention hot as -)
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between Apple and HTC, I'd say HTC is laggier & I have both.
I have near zero faith in LG & Samsung in software fixes. I'd rather go for Nokia for reliable hardware
HTC Desire is laggy as hell for me when I was using unrooted froyo so best not to judge a phone by it's cover. (Laggy as in really sluggish performance in terms of web browsing/certain gaming lag not to mention hot as -)
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You should have seriously checked your apps. All of the reviewers say that HTC Desire is super smooth (at least compared to other android handsets). While definitely its not as smooth as iphone, it gives me user power. Theres only one device which runs ios so ios is optimized for that iphone, while in comparison there are hundreds of android devices and optimizing android for every device is unpractical, so thats why android devices dont work as smooth as iphone. The reason im not choosing Iphone is the limitations and restrictions it has. Im a geek, and i want geekish phone.
Btw are you still in 2003? Forget Nokia's hardware, now its the same as others, i own few Nokias and their build quality isnt better than Samsung. New nokias are unstable and weak like all other manufacturers and thats natural because the more complex phone is the more fragile it is.
Possible Fix for Overheating HTC Desire
Hi!
I have a HTC Desire with the AMOLED-Screen, which is said to be way better than the SLCD. I did a lot of research using Google and various forums, but did not find a real fix for my overheating phone: everytime i did more than just listen to music, my phone rebooted over and over again. It did get hot in the commonly described areas (around the microSDHC and SIM-Card and the little black square), and i had to rip off the battery to make it stop. I was really annoyed since i read that i would get a replacement without the AMOLED-Screen, that is why i decided to do some testing on my own. I found out, that i had less trouble with higher workload when i enhanced cooling by putting it in the fridge for example. (Other things like changing the microSDHC did not solve the problem for me.) When it comes to computers overheating, you clean them and have a look at the thermal grease between the chips and the coolers - and that is what i decided to do to my phone. On the inside of the battery cover, there is some metal-like shield in the lower area. I guess it is there for heat dissipation - but maybe it did not have proper contact. As i did not want to clutter the phone with thermal paste, i ordered a pad on ebay (for about 2€), cut it into smaller pieces and attached it to the parts that are known to become hot (see above). Then i attached my phone to the charger and ran a lot of apps, that would usually make my phone crash (Music Player, Skype, Internet Browsing at the same time). The back of the phone grew hotter and hotter (and was, in the end, a lot hotter than anything i have encountered over the last few month with my crashing phone), but it was stable!
So, if you are annoyed with your overheating HTC Desire: This might be a fix for you:
Buy a thermal pad (as it is used for CPUs, GPUs or Chipsets, mine was about 0,5mm thick) and attach it to the metal parts over SIM and microSDHC as well as the tiny black square and the area to the left of it. Mount the battery cover and enjoy!
Hope i could help
Terminator
I also posted this in another thread, but it might be a bit easier to find that way.
EDIT: Turns out, the "fix" only delays the reboot-loop. It appears a lot more stable, yet it did still annoy me. Yesterday i handed it in for a replacement.
I'd like to try and maintain an ongoing list of what the community has to say about this phone. Hopefully people can make a well informed buying decision with the help of this list.
Pros
Nexus. Will be maintained by google, not the carrier.
Screen. Native 720p 4.65", Super AMOLED
4G
ICS
NFC
1.2Ghz Dual Core OMAP 4460
size - despite the 4.65" screen size it is not much bigger than other phones with 4.3",4.5" displays
Bluetooth 4.0+HS if/when software supports it
Cons
Non expandable storage. While the device comes with 16GB/32GB storage and does support external USB media, it adds extra bulk to the phone. There are no simple ways to extend your storage capabilities without adding extra bulk, or risking losing data coverage and not being able to access your cloud storage.
Mixed Opinions
Lack of Gorilla Glass. Will have another brand of unknown quality.
Outdated GPU. I put this in mixed opinions as many people speculate that this hardware was hand picked by the makers of android, and has already proven to handle anything thrown at it.
Lack of physical buttons. Really depends on the user. I personally like where they are going with this.
Exclusiveness. There are many rumors, and this will be moved or deleted when we know more. I personally find it to be a con if it is truly exclusive to Verizon, as the more carriers offer this, the more people will get there hands on it, hence more developers will flock to this phone.
Price. Currently we only have an unofficial price for the international version, which I don't see any complaints for.
Please feel free to post what you think should be added or moved on this list.
He edited his post and mixed opinions.
I voided my warranty and your nexus.
Mixed opinions on size.
Con: huuuge top bezel!!!!
Indeed, I originally had under mixed opinions, that both the CPU/GPU were outdated as the SGSII has a 1.5 Dual core, clock speeds can be decieving. There is no doubt that this 1.2 can compete with the rest of the high end devices with higher clock speed.
catachresistant said:
Mixed opinions on size.
Con: huuuge top bezel!!!!
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Personally, don't see an issue with the size, nor do I see many others commenting on its size. It is comparable to all the other devices currently being released. I will be keeping these off the list until I see a few others request them to be added.
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Mixed opinions on size.
Con: huuuge top bezel!!!!
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i guess i would second this and here's why. is it Huuuge? no, its the same as other phones. However, that is what makes it a con, it is the same as other phones. the nexus inst meant to be the same as other phones. Each nexus is meant to be a taste of the future. Just my $.02
The bezel is larger than most phones by HTC and Motorola. It's comparible to the Galaxy series and the iPhone... Take a look at how thin the bezel is on the HTC DesireHD/Inspire. There's only just enough room for the speaker grill, that's it. The bottom bezel actually serves a functional purpose, making the use of the phone more comfortable, but the top? Urgh...
The only cons is size IMO. Everything else is great. But since my SGS2 is perfect size IMO, I hope Galaxy Nexus will be OK too.
A huge pro for me is that, the hardware was specifically created to work with ICS, sometimes I just feel that other devices just slap an update on a phone to get it out there and then you get a bunch of bugs and defects. Also knowing that this phone, is the phone in mind when making future OTA updates.
I wanted a Nexus device ever since the Nexus One came out but I had Verizon, I'm very happy to hear that I can have one now.
I'm only hoping that the with the 5 MP camera, will a have very nice lense and shutter so it can at least compare to my Incredible 2 or maybe even the iPhone.
i've mixed opinions about the CPU
it's only 1.2 Ghz
looking forward to see how it fares against Exynos 1.2 Ghz & Qualcomms 1.5 Ghz
-con: android.
Non expandable storage
I used to think this was an issue but two things changed my mind. 1) I got a Galaxy Tab. No removable storage and I never think about it. It was a big con when the Tab came out but nobody even talks about this anymore. 2) I've had Android phones for 2 years now. All of them have had removable SD cards. Funny thing, I've never removed them.
Lack of Gorilla Glass. Will have another brand of unknown quality.
I've never had Gorilla Glass and have never broken a phone's glass. Not an issue to me. I'm careful.
Lack of physical buttons.
No physical buttons on the Galaxy Tab (Honeycomb). It's a LOT better than physical buttons. Why? ALL Android devices from now on will have the same layout. I've had an Original Droid, an Incredible and now a Thunderbolt. The button layout isn't the same on these devices. I still find I'm pressing the back when I meant the home button. That never happens to me on the Tab.
Exclusiveness.
I'm a Verizon user, my company's a Verizon user. Not an issue. I'm glad for this. I can use data when the guy standing next to me with an AT&T Android phone gets "no network" messages. Other than those two phone companies the others are just niche players.
Physical Size
Before my Thunderbolt I had an Incredible. I considered the Incredible the perfect size. Light, thin and fit well in the shirt pocket. Never, I said, would I go to the massively large phone. Then I got a Thunderbolt. I can't imagine what I was thinking. I was a size-bigot fool. The size of the Thunderbolt is fabulous. Yes, it's a tad heavier than the Incredible but it feels well in the hand and the screen size is perfect. I was one of those who made a brash statement without the experience to go with it. Now that I've have experience with both a small phone and a large phone I'll never go back to the small screen again. I say, for those of you with large screen phobias, say nothing until you've experienced it for a week or two. I bet you'll change your mind.
Cheetohz said:
Pros
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Nexus. Will be maintained by google, not the carrier.
Screen. Native 720p 4.65", etc...
ICS
1.2Ghz Dual Core
Cons
Non expandable storage
Mixed Opinions
Lack of Gorilla Glass. Will have another brand of unknown quality.
Outdated GPU. I put this in mixed opinions as many people speculate that this hardware was hand picked by the makers of android, and has already proven to handle anything thrown at it.
Lack of physical buttons. Really depends on the user. I personally like where they are going with this.
Exclusiveness. There are many rumors, and this will be moved or deleted when we know more. I personally find it to be a con if it is truly exclusive to Verizon, as the more carriers offer this, the more people will get there hands on it, hence more developers will flock to this phone.
Price. Currently we only have an unofficial price for the international version, which I don't see any complaints for.
Please feel free to post what you think should be added or moved on this list.
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OK. I agree with all of this.
Nexus line is great, it can overwhelm phones from 2 generations ahead.
The screen resolution is great too. Pentile doesn't even matter, the resolution almost omits its presence.
ICS. Much smoother. Much more customization. Much more versatile and beautiful.
The CPU it more than enough. People are *****ing about "OH ****! Only 1.2GHz?!", but really, that's way more than enough, unless you're a benchmark bug. "Yo! I got a phone that already runs everything great, but I just want a better one because I want 10k Quadrant points...! Fuuuuuu!"
When you say "Non-Expandable Storage", no phone has that. Even SD compatible phones are limited to xGB size SD card maximum. For example, the RAZR will have a maximum of 48 GB because 16 internal + 32 SD Maximum = 48. And also, 32 GB of super fast NAND memory is great. I don't know what you want to ***** about. You wanna have super HD videos and/or photos? Just keep putting them on your PC instead of mass storing them on your phone without need.
The lack of Gorilla Glass is well put under Mixed Opinions, since it might mean something BETTER than Gorilla Glass. The Nexus S had a very very resistive glass technology/material.
The outdated GPU: Did anyone prove that this GPU is outdated? In terms of sufficient performance for Android platform? Did anyone show that? I don't think so. And you don't too. I think people are just *****ing about it the same way I explained it for the CPU.
Lack of physical buttons: I think this is an element that Google decided to have because it can enable much much more creativity. I believe that CM team or Google itself will unlock a way of changing the button icon, or even add or remove buttons. I think it is really great, and it probably also cuts down a bit on prices since physical buttons are basically a touch-capable screen/membrane for each button, which would possibly cost a little bit instead of making a little bigger screen for buttons.
Exclusiveness: Not a problem in my country, I believe, so, no comments here.
Price: Pretty much unknown, but I'm expecting a 500 ~ 600€ range (700 ~ 800$).
AllGamer said:
i've mixed opinions about the CPU
it's only 1.2 Ghz
looking forward to see how it fares against Exynos 1.2 Ghz & Qualcomms 1.5 Ghz
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A 1.2 dual-core exynos is better than a 1.5 dual-core qualcomm. And a brand new OMAP 4460 1.2 dual-core is at the very least equaled to, if not better than, the 1.5 qualcomm as snapdragon's are probably the lesser performing of processors available
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JCopernicus said:
-con: android.
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What? GTFO and get a gay iphone then.
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A 1.2 dual-core exynos is better than a 1.5 dual-core qualcomm. And a brand new OMAP 4460 1.2 dual-core is at the very least equaled to, if not better than, the 1.5 qualcomm as snapdragon's are probably the lesser performing of processors available
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DITTO!!! WTF are folks complaining about with this type of hardware being outdated??? Huh??? Outdated??? We're talking about 1.2 dual-core proc that will be fitt'in in something that can put in your front shirt pocket, along with a multi-touch screen, and enough memory that you wouldn't be able to shake a stick at!
Anyway, i'm sure enough looking for the 32gb version.
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What? GTFO and get a gay iphone then.
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You got trolled, son.
Anyway!
Pros:
- ICS
- Google supported
- LTE-capable
- NFC
Cons:
- Pentile
- Weak GPU
Pros-
Just about everything not listed as con.
Cons-
No pricing or availability word yet !!!!!!!
Bezel size of top and bottom and thickness. Would have liked to have seen something pushing limits for the Nexus line.
Weak GPU - Scares the crap out of me in terms of GUI.
Not clear what the DAC is.
AMOLED will likely have bluish tints on white and push reds.
Vid clips on YT seem to show inconsistent framerate in HD videos. I hate choppiness and I get this weird feeling the UI and HD videos will simply not be as smooth as they should be.
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The outdated GPU: Did anyone prove that this GPU is outdated? In terms of sufficient performance for Android platform? Did anyone show that? I don't think so. And you don't too. I think people are just *****ing about it the same way I explained it for the CPU.
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No one has to 'prove' the gpu is outdated, the specs and how long its been around (since 2007) already prove that.
The gpu in the OMAP 4460 is definitely slower than the mali 400 in the exynos, as well as the A5 in the iPhone4S.
Id wager its on par, or maybe even slightly slower than the qualcomm in my tmobile galaxy SII.
Its not the end of the world, and i have no doubt the nexus is gonna be a powerful device, but its not Samsungs flagship.
Samsung is saving the 1.5ghz exynos and other goodies for the next round of battle against the iPhone5 it looks like
vash1053 said:
You got trolled, son.
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Lol, yea maybe. However, I would rather get trolled than leave a potential douchebag comment/post unaddressed.
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