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Is it worth the wait for the touch pro 3?

touch pro 2 is really awesome, but seriously, the same processor, ram and camera??
K also there are gonna be some 1 GHz phones coming up soon I read, so I htought about and well, the touch pro 2 i PERFECT, but under powered..... so, umm.. really is it worth it, if it comes to t-mobile than who knows whne a better wm phone will come around to t-mobile, so I guess that would be nice but would I be better off just to wait for a better phone and just get it unlocked, cause honestly, how would it feel to have the best phone ever and then 3 months later have it crushed by 1 GHz processors? But I really like this phone, just cant decide if its worth it or not cause othere than the processor, it is AMAZING, if only they uped it to like 700 something cause.. COME ONE 1 GHz phones???

I seriously think the only reason people think it is underpowered is because they aren't seeing a speed bump between it and the orginal touch pro. Does that mean that it's bad, insufficient, or underpowered? Not necessarily? I'm using a titan, so I haven't spent time with the TP or THD, but is more power needed? HTC has worked hard to improve the efficiency of their software and the smothness of the build. That was specifically mentioned by multiple reps at WDC (getting from vids, I wasn't there). There aren't many 3D games on these yet so really the only thing that I can image better specs making a significant difference in is video performance. How has the THD and TP done in these respects when using custom builds and being optimized?
If it's not necessary, I might prefer the lower specs as it will lead to better batter life and a lower cost. I don't want power just because it's possible. Rather, I want what is best for my overall experience.

Agreed - battery life is key and the phone looks to be powered just right for me and how I use it. I guess a phone in the hand is sometimes worth more than two in the bushes (or drawing boards...). I'm pretty sure I'm gonna go for it as soon as it's out for AT&T.
~Eric

so its going to suffer the same video issues that plague the HD, diamond and the Pro. what a bore.

i will wait for the touch pro 3 if it has a dpad and softkeys.

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so its going to suffer the same video issues that plague the HD, diamond and the Pro. what a bore.
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Don't have those models or have even seen them. I have the antiquated Vogue and I've never experienced a video problem unless I try to play a movie far too outsized for the device. then frames drop like mad. But if I use it sensibly the video is great. My chief complaint is that at times the audio will go perhaps a half second out of sync. Nothing intolerable.

Yeah but also if 1 GHz phones coemout a few months after this then they will all be cabable of peforming htings that this phone never will be, its not that its not enougph power, especially when your coming from a tilt, but at the same time to think that the phones could be over powered by otehre phones by such a large margin in a matter of months kinda scares me, but all the otehre thinkgsd they tweaked make me love this phone, better speakers, better touch scree, thinner phone, better battery life, and also highr resoultuion.

Link278 said:
Yeah but also if 1 GHz phones coemout a few months after this then they will all be cabable of peforming htings that this phone never will be, its not that its not enougph power, especially when your coming from a tilt, but at the same time to think that the phones could be over powered by otehre phones by such a large margin in a matter of months kinda scares me, but all the otehre thinkgsd they tweaked make me love this phone, better speakers, better touch scree, thinner phone, better battery life, and also highr resoultuion.
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I don't quite get that argument. Computers in virtually every form factor have always been overpowered in a matter of months. Hence Moore's Law. That doesn't seem to me like a good reason to wait. You'll be able to make the same argument when the 1GHz phones are available. "1.5 GHZ phones are just around the corner! Don't buy now! You won't be able to use the latest mobile Java Twitter client that might be released 6 months after the new phones are available."

Or pehaps wait for the TP4
If you wait 2 years you´ll have a better device than the TP2...

my main concern is that it has the same processor as the touch pro 1 and alot of the new phones had that too so maybe just a couple monts later better phones will comeo ut but yeah this phone has a lot of great features too

Link278 said:
my main concern is that it has the same processor as the touch pro 1 and alot of the new phones had that too so maybe just a couple monts later better phones will comeo ut but yeah this phone has a lot of great features too
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Perhaps, but as has been mentioned elsewhere it seems likely to me that the roadblock to faster processors is not the technology of the processor per se, but the battery life.
Would you take twice the processor at half the battery? Or 30% greater size/weight? No idea if the change is that drastic, and some people obviously would make that trade. But I don't think that phone would have the target market that this one does - and my suspicion is that such a target market would be much smaller than is practical for anything but a luxury phone. The same sort of market that spends $1000 for a wallpaper app.
In any case, while advances in batteries are being made, I'm not aware of any substantial improvements ready for production on the horizon.

ajbopp said:
Perhaps, but as has been mentioned elsewhere it seems likely to me that the roadblock to faster processors is not the technology of the processor per se, but the battery life.
Would you take twice the processor at half the battery? Or 30% greater size/weight? No idea if the change is that drastic, and some people obviously would make that trade. But I don't think that phone would have the target market that this one does - and my suspicion is that such a target market would be much smaller than is practical for anything but a luxury phone. The same sort of market that spends $1000 for a wallpaper app.
In any case, while advances in batteries are being made, I'm not aware of any substantial improvements ready for production on the horizon.
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I guess you have a pretty good point, I just hope that other phones at that are released at the same time are faster and lighter

Well, I can understand the frustration with an unchanged processor at 500 MHz and a doubling to 1GHz right around the corner. However, I think it will be sufficient. Either way, I won't be able to buy till December anyway so I'll have a pretty good idea about what's coming out next and might have more options besides the Rhodium on Sprint.
Either way, my main requirements are still there. Large and High Res touchscreen (VGA or WVGA), hardware keyboard, and a decent amount of hardware buttons (getting worse )

Poke_N_PDA said:
Either way, my main requirements are still there. Large and High Res touchscreen (VGA or WVGA), hardware keyboard, and a decent amount of hardware buttons (getting worse )
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Heh...my requirements are almost the opposite, except for the screen. The Rhodium would be perfect for me if it just didn't have that damn keyboard. Maybe Sprint will come out with something like the HD2 for me, but it's not looking like it'll be 2009 if they do.

ajbopp said:
Heh...my requirements are almost the opposite, except for the screen. The Rhodium would be perfect for me if it just didn't have that damn keyboard. Maybe Sprint will come out with something like the HD2 for me, but it's not looking like it'll be 2009 if they do.
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I think we'll see more hit in 2009 (not necessarily from HTC). Also, I really think we'll see the screens keep getting bigger as they can continue to shove it closer to the edge of the device and make the device thinner. Eventually, I wouldn't be surprised if we maxed out at a 4.1 inch WVGA screen. You could do it in a device the size of the iPhone, we just probably aren't quite there technologically.

Well yeah ur right technoledgy will alwaye become better, so i think I would just get this phone unless there are better phones out thwne it comes out which i doubt will hapeen

ajbopp said:
Perhaps, but as has been mentioned elsewhere it seems likely to me that the roadblock to faster processors is not the technology of the processor per se, but the battery life.
Would you take twice the processor at half the battery? Or 30% greater size/weight? No idea if the change is that drastic, and some people obviously would make that trade. But I don't think that phone would have the target market that this one does - and my suspicion is that such a target market would be much smaller than is practical for anything but a luxury phone. The same sort of market that spends $1000 for a wallpaper app.
In any case, while advances in batteries are being made, I'm not aware of any substantial improvements ready for production on the horizon.
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Not relevant: a fast processor car throtle down its speed to spare energy
Besides the new 1 Ghz processor will be engraved with a smaller process --> should also save energy. I havent checked the power consumption of the new Ghz processor but I can bet it is likely to be the same
It's quite likely HTC just wnated to save money (Or was not ready yet to integrate the new processor in its product)
About video issues: it's not a matter of speed of the processor but if I recall well video drivers issues (Hopefully they fixed it with the Rhodium but I doubt it. It seems HTC doesnt care)
What would be exciting to wait for is a phone with the new Tegra from nvidia. It will actually probably come out in the next few months

ajbopp said:
Heh...my requirements are almost the opposite, except for the screen. The Rhodium would be perfect for me if it just didn't have that damn keyboard. Maybe Sprint will come out with something like the HD2 for me, but it's not looking like it'll be 2009 if they do.
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Why dont you go for the Diamond2 then ?

Alcibiade said:
Not relevant: a fast processor car throtle down its speed to spare energy
Besides the new 1 Ghz processor will be engraved with a smaller process --> should also save energy. I havent checked the power consumption of the new Ghz processor but I can bet it is likely to be the same
It's quite likely HTC just wnated to save money (Or was not ready yet to integrate the new processor in its product)
About video issues: it's not a matter of speed of the processor but if I recall well video drivers issues (Hopefully they fixed it with the Rhodium but I doubt it. It seems HTC doesnt care)
What would be exciting to wait for is a phone with the new Tegra from nvidia. It will actually probably come out in the next few months
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but since thats not a htc phone doesnt that mean it wont be on xda's website, and if thats the caase, im not sure its worth the 472 MHz lol

Alcibiade said:
Why dont you go for the Diamond2 then ?
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Smaller screen.

Ouch I feel like I am going to regret

My TP2 just shipped (I guess I'll recieve it in 2 or 3 days) and I just saw today that the Omnia Pro is set to be out in August
http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/samsung-b7610-louvre-rematerializes-specd-and-caught-on-camera/
Much more powerful processor than the TP2 AND slimmer phone
Aaaahhh I feel so bad
That said I think the TP2 looks better (but it's fatter..........)

TP2 still better IMO.
I only thinking of HTC Snapdragon based device after this.

Better ? Mmh I dont think so but I hope I am wrong
I also forgot about the better camera, and extra memory
But yeah I love TOuchFlo + the great support from XDA, so... at least that gives me a bit less regrets (Besides the keyboard of the TP is probably better (Though I dont care that much)

Alcibiade said:
My TP2 just shipped (I guess I'll recieve it in 2 or 3 days) and I just saw today that the Omnia Pro is set to be out in August
http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/samsung-b7610-louvre-rematerializes-specd-and-caught-on-camera/
Much more powerful processor than the TP2 AND slimmer phone
Aaaahhh I feel so bad
That said I think the TP2 looks better (but it's fatter..........)
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I read that the interface is (at least at the moment) sluggish despite the CPU, and I hate the ergonomics (tilt, keyboard) of the device. I'm curious about 2 things on the OmPro, 1) how much battery life the AMOLED screen saves over LCD and 2) what performance increase comes from the video acceleration it advertises. For now, I actually have more good to say about the cheaply constructed acer m900.
Specs aren't everything[/sacrilege].

fortunz said:
I read that the interface is (at least at the moment) sluggish despite the CPU, and I hate the ergonomics (tilt, keyboard) of the device. I'm curious about 2 things on the OmPro, 1) how much battery life the AMOLED screen saves over LCD and 2) what performance increase comes from the video acceleration it advertises. For now, I actually have more good to say about the cheaply constructed acer m900.
Specs aren't everything[/sacrilege].
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True I forgot the AMOLED screen
Even if it doesnt save much energy, you can at elast expect it to ahve way better contrast than regular LED screens
Specs arent everything, but it is Samsung. You can expect them to do much better than Eten

Much better pics there:
http://www.techchee.com/2009/06/14/samsung-louvre-b7610-pictures-and-specs/
Aaah it looks so slim compared to the TP2
Probably lighter as well I guess

Alcibiade said:
You can expect them to do much better than Eten
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That depends on what you mean by "better". Better build quality and specs, sure. But there's almost nothing on the OmPro that really draws me in yet. The TP2's processor is fast enough. TP2's RAM (not clear on what amount of memory is reserved for active processes on the OmPro) is enough to do what I want. TP2's ergonomics are untouched and its interface has been optimized and honed across several past models.
What does draw my eye on the lower quality Acer device is that, out of the box, the biometric sensor that was designed solely for checking fingerprints multitasks--without making room for a big dpad, Acer has still provided what seems to be a very usable and versatile navigation aid while still saving space and adding a nice security feature. I suspect the TP2's zoom bar will also be hacked for similar functionality, but the added options aren't there out of the box. The m900 pulled a little rabbit out of it's hat with this one, and I think it deserves props.
I also noticed that the m900 has a built-in menu for auto-rotation settings by program, out of the box. The TP2 needs an external program for that functionality, and I wouldn't be surprised if the OmPro did too.
I suspect a lot of people will be drawn to the OmPros based on the specsheet alone, and if that happens, I'm actually glad. That just means the TP2 will face some more price pressure, and I might get a better deal. If I sit down next to an OmPro user, I don't anticipate feeling envy so mush as pity, because long after they've started lusting after the next higher spec'd device (often probably for little reason other than some of the numbers are "bigger"), I'm still going to be profoundly content with my choice.

fortunz said:
That depends on what you mean by "better". Better build quality and specs, sure. But there's almost nothing on the OmPro that really draws me in yet. The TP2's processor is fast enough. TP2's RAM (not clear on what amount of memory is reserved for active processes on the OmPro) is enough to do what I want. TP2's ergonomics are untouched and its interface has been optimized and honed across several past models.
What does draw my eye on the lower quality Acer device is that, out of the box, the biometric sensor that was designed solely for checking fingerprints multitasks--without making room for a big dpad, Acer has still provided what seems to be a very usable and versatile navigation aid while still saving space and adding a nice security feature. I suspect the TP2's zoom bar will also be hacked for similar functionality, but the added options aren't there out of the box. The m900 pulled a little rabbit out of it's hat with this one, and I think it deserves props.
I also noticed that the m900 has a built-in menu for auto-rotation settings by program, out of the box. The TP2 needs an external program for that functionality, and I wouldn't be surprised if the OmPro did too.
I suspect a lot of people will be drawn to the OmPros based on the specsheet alone, and if that happens, I'm actually glad. That just means the TP2 will face some more price pressure, and I might get a better deal. If I sit down next to an OmPro user, I don't anticipate feeling envy so mush as pity, because long after they've started lusting after the next higher spec'd device (often probably for little reason other than some of the numbers are "bigger"), I'm still going to be profoundly content with my choice.
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My Hermes is fast enough too... It's a bit funny to say you pity people going for the best specs [Though I understand what you mean: implementation is key]. "Fast enough" always depends on what you are aiming for... If you want to do gaming with your phone, you are always happier to have something fast
It's very likely the Samsung camera will be better than the TP2 (Samsung is a camera maker, and the camera is supposed to have an autostabilizer + a flash)
It is quite obvious from the pics it is also slimmer and I find it difficult to say you prefer a fatter phone in your pocket (Personally I dont)
The screen is quite likely to look better than the TP2's (However the "touch" part of the screen may not be as good) and will draw less juice (how much less, that we dont know)
I do agree the interface should be better on the TP2 (though we may see TouchFlo 3D adapted for the Omnia) and the phone looks better (I dont like the Samsung black & orange look)
As far as the price is concerned you are most likely right. However I wont enjoy the pressure on price since I already orderd my unit
In the end I thnk the TP2 looks a bit better, but fatter and with specs probably not as good, for maybe a hiher price than the one rumored for the Samsung
Dont take me wrong, I love HTC (It's my second HTC device), but this doesnt prevent me from being critical and not acting like an inconditional fan boy
Anyway TP2 will be enough for me to wait for a Tegra device (We'll need it if we want decent games... Typically the new iPhone will probably rock for this (Until tegra arrives and potentially proves to be better)

I am not sure it looks thinner by a lot. Maybe a few mm. Nothing that you can really wow about it. Samsung will reveal this phone, if its true, this month. You will have some real measurements then. HTC will also be revealing a line of new phones on 24 June. So maybe there will be more surprises. Maybe some Snapdragon goodies.
Don't be sad, I have just ordered mine too and it has yet to arrive. I still waiting for my carrier to call me to pick it up (should be today, fingers x). There will always be new things arriving and new technologies that will beat todays tech. So why be sad. Knowing that this upgrade for me is what will keep me happy for another 12 to 18 months puts a smile on my face already. By then, there will be 1.0+ GHz CPUs, GBs of storage space, GBs of RAM, Millions of colours and brilliant LCDs. Maybe a TP3 even.
This phone won't be available until 3Q. Look at the Omnia HD. It was announced back in February. It came out in June (only in some countries and not even here in Asia yet). So it took nearly 4 months. And the styling of the phone changed completely. So don't hold your breath on it. If the annoucement is gonna be made in June / July. You won't see the phone until October at the earliest and we won't see it until Xmas in Asia. Samsung takes ages to launch their phones over here.
So why wait and the long face?

I think the touch pro 2 looks better, and the design (especially the keyboard) is better. Apart from the processor, I don't see any improvements..
There probably is a long way to go optimizing this new processor also.
This is the first omnia trying to get to the bussiness people, so I am curious how that will happen. I never seen the UI but it sound really good. If it's really that good, I think it will be available via this forum for us too

cocoaju said:
I am not sure it looks thinner by a lot. Maybe a few mm. Nothing that you can really wow about it. Samsung will reveal this phone, if its true, this month. You will have some real measurements then. HTC will also be revealing a line of new phones on 24 June. So maybe there will be more surprises. Maybe some Snapdragon goodies.
Don't be sad, I have just ordered mine too and it has yet to arrive. I still waiting for my carrier to call me to pick it up (should be today, fingers x). There will always be new things arriving and new technologies that will beat todays tech. So why be sad. Knowing that this upgrade for me is what will keep me happy for another 12 to 18 months puts a smile on my face already. By then, there will be 1.0+ GHz CPUs, GBs of storage space, GBs of RAM, Millions of colours and brilliant LCDs. Maybe a TP3 even.
This phone won't be available until 3Q. Look at the Omnia HD. It was announced back in February. It came out in June (only in some countries and not even here in Asia yet). So it took nearly 4 months. And the styling of the phone changed completely. So don't hold your breath on it. If the annoucement is gonna be made in June / July. You won't see the phone until October at the earliest and we won't see it until Xmas in Asia. Samsung takes ages to launch their phones over here.
So why wait and the long face?
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Thanks for cheering me up. No reaso to be sad, it will be anyway definitely better than my Hermes (Cant believe all my friends switched from Hermes to iPhone...)
Anyway my purchase is exactly in the same purpose as yours: wait for mature, well balanced tegra or snapdragon phones with better screens, camera, etc... ie roughly 1 year from now

Alcibiade said:
Thanks for cheering me up. No reaso to be sad, it will be anyway definitely better than my Hermes (Cant believe all my friends switched from Hermes to iPhone...)
Anyway my purchase is exactly in the same purpose as yours: wait for mature, well balanced tegra or snapdragon phones with better screens, camera, etc... ie roughly 1 year from now
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You are welcome mate!
There will be many of us sitting in the same boat for the next 12 months. Some will jump on and some will jump off. Hopefully support for this phone will be as great as the HD, so there will be many of more tweaks and upgrades to make this phone being 'THE' phone to have for 2009.

in my opinion, the TP2 will probably be the best in its class for the year to come even over any Samsung competition, mainly because of the stability and work put into the integration of the HTC software and WM OS. Samsung has great specs, but their software leaves a lot to be desired. I had an Omnia and a Blackjack 2 and they were extremely buggy, as with most WM machines I had. But with HTC Touch HD and onwards, they've really come close to making the OS as stable and quick as possible. The processor and specs look enticing on the new Samsung, but I'm confident that the TP2 will still out perform it in real life usage. (another case in point is that I had the Samsung INNOV8, the Nokia N96-killer...great hardware, but never came out with a new firmware and was always buggy and choppy to use).
So for right now, I don't think anyone should regret picking up the TP2 or Diamond 2...both excellent pieces of engineering. The real waiting should be for the next generation of snapdragon units...

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in my opinion, the TP2 will probably be the best in its class for the year to come even over any Samsung competition, mainly because of the stability and work put into the integration of the HTC software and WM OS. Samsung has great specs, but their software leaves a lot to be desired...
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Totally agree! I tried playing around with the TouchWiz and it is crap. Don't like it at all. Don't like the widgets and stuff on it where you can move things around. It makes it look messy. I was never keen on those moving around thingies. I know they are trying to achieve a desktop feel but it just looks weird on a vertical screen.

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My Hermes is fast enough too... It's a bit funny to say you pity people going for the best specs [Though I understand what you mean: implementation is key]. "Fast enough" always depends on what you are aiming for... If you want to do gaming with your phone, you are always happier to have something fast
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The device comes with DLNA, a connectivity regime that I gather is for displaying video between devices. I could understand an increasing need for speed for someone who wanted to store HD vids and TV-out them to an HD set, but there, I'd be skeptical that 800mhz would do the trick (which is part of why I mentioned being interested in how much performance you could get from the video acceleration mentioned in the specs) until I actually saw it in action. It's one of those things where, unless the vid accel is awesome, it probably works JUST well enough, and then in 6-12 months once the novelty wears and the defects really shine, the user is going to be drooling over some 1+ ghz snapdragons. Once you start looking at some of these devices on a price per month basis in situations like that, they look less attractive.
I'm not sure what games are available for WinMo that really push specs. Are you plugged into that? Is it just about looking for more hertz for better emulation performance? Or are there some serious native titles available that lag on current hardware or have settings you can crank up for better performance?
The thing is, there are tons of peeps who think 800mhz MUST be better than 500mhz, even though they have no particular application category where the processor is a real bottleneck. Clockspeed is, both in mobiles and desktops, a decreasingly useful metric for actual performance increases. Infrastructure is more and more important, and software optimization is the great undiscovered country in computing performance.
It is quite obvious from the pics it is also slimmer and I find it difficult to say you prefer a fatter phone in your pocket (Personally I dont)
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If you look at girth as a single feature, you're right, it's hard to argue. If you look at it as a balancing act between features, then the question isn't "fatter or thinner" but rather "fatter with better ergonomics or thinner with worse ergonomics". In this case I'm weighing the TP2's 5 row, offset, well-spaced (and potentially better tactile feedback) keyboard and tilt ability against the apparently (are there measurements yet?) thinner OmPro without them. Given that we're talking about a couple of mm, I'm totally willing to sacrifice thinner for the ergonomics. It is a personal choice, but not an indefensible one
The screen is quite likely to look better than the TP2's (However the "touch" part of the screen may not be as good) and will draw less juice (how much less, that we dont know)
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Battery life in portables is a huge factor for me. It plays into usability in a big way. If AMOLED really delivers, I will be wooed, just not before I see hard proof. If Samsung can't deliver the type of resistive screen responsiveness HTC managed in this round, that might be wash.
Dont take me wrong, I love HTC (It's my second HTC device), but this doesnt prevent me from being critical and not acting like an inconditional fan boy
Anyway TP2 will be enough for me to wait for a Tegra device (We'll need it if we want decent games... Typically the new iPhone will probably rock for this (Until tegra arrives and potentially proves to be better)
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This will be my very first HTC, and my very first winmo. I look at devices based on what they bring to the table, not on who made them (thus the Acer props). So I'm not trying to attack you for being disloyal , just attempting to reassure you that the two things you mentioned in the OP weren't necessarily worth hari kari.
If someone will really rip off some of HTC's best work in the very near future and throw in a snapdragon, well, yeah, then let the disemboweling commence.

Guys,
according to today's release notes Omnia Pro has 135MB RAM.
1GB is for ROM.
That's a far cry from TP2's 288 MB RAM.
If this is true, it's just not enough, regardless of the nice screen (AMOLED), potentially faster CPU (Mhz is not everything, needs to be benched) and nicer camera.
On WM devices RAM is the 2nd most important thing after CPU or your device slows to a crawl

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Guys,
according to today's release notes Omnia Pro has 135MB RAM.
1GB is for ROM.
That's a far cry from TP2's 288 MB RAM.
If this is true, it's just not enough, regardless of the nice screen (AMOLED), potentially faster CPU (Mhz is not everything, needs to be benched) and nicer camera.
On WM devices RAM is the 2nd most important thing after CPU or your device slows to a crawl
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yeha if it's true you defintely cheer me up
135MB is a little bit weird number though...
Yeah Mhz is not everything (For instance I never ever owned a Pentium P4 ehehe) hwoever in this field Samsung processor have the repuation of usually being faster clock for clock (Again I agree with you it definitely depends on the architecture of the processor)

Just got mine today as said before. Let me tell you. NO REGRETS WHATSOEVER!
You will see when you get yours mate. Man, it's a beauty!

The guys gave you technical reasons why our tp2 is still better... mine is much more simple.. the tp2 is still prettier and sexier....

Is there kind of flash for camera in TP2? My X01HT has white beam turning on when activating "flash". Thanks.
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Just got mine today as said before. Let me tell you. NO REGRETS WHATSOEVER!
You will see when you get yours mate. Man, it's a beauty!
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Reasons for "sub-par" hardware

I've been seeing a lot of blowback on what many are considering sub-par specs for the Galaxy Nexus. I'm not sure it deserves as much criticism as it's getting.
Processor
The Complaint:
1.2 GHz isn't 1.5
The chip comes with the outdated SGX540 GPU
The Possible Reason:
The s2 Exynos apparently doesn't work well with LTE right now. Personally, I'd prefer LTE latency to HSPA+ with a marginally faster processor.
The GPU does suck, but unfortunately there aren't really any other chipsets available right now offering something better for LTE.
And keep in mind, the OMAP 4460 is BRAND NEW. This is not the same OMAP 4430 that has been in other phones to date. The clock speed was tuned down to 1.2 GHz in order to avoid delays when the 1.5 speeds were not stable.
While the GPU may suck, apparently the OMAP 4460 has some nice features in the way of media/video processing, which was behind Google's decision to go with that chipset.
Update: That media/video processing feature is called the IVA 3 -- it is a hw video decoder/encoder that supports [email protected] for h.264, MPEG-4, and h.263, VP8, etc. In essence, it allows for low power consumption while playing back HD quality video (and this makes a lot more sense as to why Google decided to go with OMAP for their new 720p resolution device). More info: http:// blog . webmproject . org/2010/10/demo-of-webm-running-on-ti-omap-4.html
Camera
The Complaint:
5 MP isn't 8
Sample pictures aren't mind-blowing
The Possible Reason:
Instant shutter and panoramic photos.
The Galaxy Nexus takes photos REALLY quickly, and the panoramic photo capability depends on that. This means the phone needs both a fast lens (search Wikipedia for "Lens speed") and likely a sensor capable of operating at those speeds. It's quite possible that they had to sacrifice in MP in order to get those speeds.
So yes, the camera is not as "good" as other phones might have, but the marginal decrease might be what's allowing it to run circles around other cameras in photo speed and generate some impressive panoramas.
Those seem to be the two major complaints right now. Also, I admit my hardware knowledge isn't as in depth as some others on xda, so I welcome any additional info. Thoughts?

For me it would be the Camera and lack of SD card.
I can deal with 5MP if it also had better image stabilization. The pics I have seen were not sharp. However, the fast AF and panoramic mode are bad ass.
The lack of a SD card is just annoying. As a developer, it would be nice to have this support.

Based on previous Nexus devices (One and S) i think NO see a
FM radio. Too bad...

The lack of SD card is kinda annoying.
The only two "sub-par" items that were listed is rather "meh." You will never tell the difference of 300Mhz. You can run your benchmark tools, but, user experience is nil.
Camera MP doesn't mean anything if the phone can't take decent pictures at all. If you're worried about anything over 5MP, then, you should carry a real camera.
For an FM radio... if it's lacking the hardware.... Tune In Radio app is a sweet replacement.
The Nexus phones sets the standard for all smartphones. This phone seems to be "above-par" to what is currently out there.

My gripes:
1. Way too close to the SGSII form factor. I found the SGSII to be insanely uncomfortable for me. It's far too thin to be so wide.
2. No SD card. Instant fail for me. It's not that the built-in memory isn't enough, it's that Samsung has a history of Nexus devices with failed memory and no way to fix it because there isn't an SD slot.
3. Samsung's total plastic body builds are lightweight, sure, but they feel like cheap pieces of throwaway junk. The Amaze, IMO, makes the SGSII feel like a chump (for reference, I don't use most HTC devices due to Sense, I prefer stock software but I love HTC's build quality).
4. It's made by Samsung. Again.

bfspider said:
If you're worried about anything over 5MP, then, you should carry a real camera.
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Couldn't agree more.

JaiaV said:
My gripes:
1. Way too close to the SGSII form factor. I found the SGSII to be insanely uncomfortable for me. It's far too thin to be so wide.
2. No SD card. Instant fail for me. It's not that the built-in memory isn't enough, it's that Samsung has a history of Nexus devices with failed memory and no way to fix it because there isn't an SD slot.
3. Samsung's total plastic body builds are lightweight, sure, but they feel like cheap pieces of throwaway junk. The Amaze, IMO, makes the SGSII feel like a chump (for reference, I don't use most HTC devices due to Sense, I prefer stock software but I love HTC's build quality).
4. It's made by Samsung. Again.
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#3 has been connected with a metal chassis. If you take a look around some of the reviews, a few sites notice that difference.

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I've been seeing a lot of blowback on what many are considering sub-par specs for the Galaxy Nexus. I'm not sure it deserves as much criticism as it's getting.
Those seem to be the two major complaints right now. Also, I admit my hardware knowledge isn't as in depth as some others on xda, so I welcome any additional info. Thoughts?
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the device is meant for DEVELOPERS, not normal folks basically, that was probably their mentality
thus all the lack of high tech stuff, except for the screen

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#3 has been connected with a metal chassis. If you take a look around some of the reviews, a few sites notice that difference.
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Most of them do have some internal metal chassis that acts like a skeleton of sorts, if I am not mistaken. That doesn't stop them from feeling like cheap pieces of trash.

I won't be able to jog faster with this phone, as it's slightly bigger and heavier than S2.
Galaxy S II weight = 116 grams
Galaxy Nexus weight = 135 grams

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the device is meant for DEVELOPERS, not normal folks basically, that was probably their mentality
thus all the lack of high tech stuff, except for the screen
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If anything, that makes less sense. Normal people don't even know what OMAP or a SGX540 is.
And I kind of meant thoughts on whether or not my reasoning relating to the hardware choices seemed sound.

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I've been seeing a lot of blowback on what many are considering sub-par specs for the Galaxy Nexus. I'm not sure it deserves as much criticism as it's getting.
Processor
The Complaint:
1.2 GHz isn't 1.5
The chip comes with the outdated SGX540 GPU
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Ha even the 540 is upgrade for me, I'm still using the OG Droid with it's SGX530 toting OMAP3 chip. So a dual core OMAP4 is a vast upgrade for me.
Plus the lack of an SD card is no big deal for me...16GB of onboard storage is more than enough for me, meaning it doesn't really need an SD card as much as my Droid does.

For a while, I was sort of disappointed with a couple of the GN's specs, but I'm now very excited. Let me address the specs in question:
1. GPU : The GPU is the Nov 2007 SGX540 while the current ringleader is the Jan 2009 SGX543MP2. The difference is that the GN's GPU is clocked at a speedy 384 MHz, almost double that of the 200 MHz clock speed of the SGX543MP2. With that knowledge, plus the fact that I won't be playing console-quality games on a touchscreen, I was pretty much satisfied.
2. CPU : I first cringed when I heard that the GN was going to have a Ti-OMAP processor instead of the Exynos, but I was sort of happy when I learned it might be the OMAP4470, a beast of a phone. Then I checked Wikipedia, and was disappointed to learn the 4470 is coming out in Q2 2012, meaning I would have to settle with the lesser version. I'm still uneasy about this aspect, but the fact that Google has chose this processor specifically inclines me to think it will be optimized thoroughly. Just look at the iPhone4 vs the iPhone4S; a dual-core, plus a beefed up GPU don't make the phone any faster, as the OS has been perfectly coded to the hardware already. The GHz make no difference in real life, aside for half a second. Besides, more ICS devices are coming up according to Black_man_x, with AT&T leading in specs for now (the GSMarena Nexus Specs leak is probably that phone) so the best phone is perpetually going to be "right around the corner".
3. Camera: I knew this was going to be a 5MP shooter, as I predicted Google would push Google+ and instant upload with this model, which allows unlimited storage to 5MP photos. The camera is also hard coded to the CPU, which is why you get 1080p on a 5MP camera, which was previously unheard of (at least to me). Some 8MP still can't even do 1080p, resting at 720p only. Plus you get awesome features such as continuous exposure and photo capture while recording.
4. No SDCard slot: I never use microSD's so this isn't a problem for me. I can see how it would affect others though. I prefer internal storage over anything, as it's fast and secure. I just need to keep a NANDroid at all times on the device though
Honestly, everything else was amazing. The LED notification totally surprised me, as I thought it was going to be like the Epic's (a lame blue light at the top). I love the form factor and size, and I'm personally going to buy the HSPA+ model. I hate CDMA with a burning passion, and T-Mobile has got a new prepaid $30 5GB Unlimited Plan with 100 Mins and Unltd Texts that I can abuse. Whenever I feel like it, I can hop on over to AT&T, switch to 3 in the UK when I travel, or go with a local carrier. I made the mistake of buying the Nexus One a couple of months before the Nexus S landed, not going to make the same mistake again

where has it been confirmed the prime will ship with the 4460?
edit: aaaaand here's my answer:
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/24529-ti-confirms-omap-4460-is-in-nexus-galaxy
eric b

IMO nothing is wrong with the Camera, plus by now everyone should know that Megapixels don't mean a damn thing -_- this camera is actually pretty damn beast.

i think you misunderstand lens speed. the aperture of the lens for this camera really shouldn't be affected by the sensor. perhaps you mean sensor speed.

people still had the same complains with the NS...........I doubt we will be seeing any Nexus device jump as far ahead as the N1 did

For all those complaining about the lack of SD card slot I'm guessing you don't have a Honeycomb tablet with an SD card slot. Even with the latest Honeycomb update that came out about a month ago Google still doesn't have the SD card working like most expect. It is nothing like an SD card under Gingerbread. I believe they want people to use a new storage API to interact with the SD card so many apps don't see it or consider it read-only. Applications using the new storage API are read/write. It's a change and I think many existing Froyo/Gingerbread era apps will need to be updated for Ice Cream Sandwich.
That said my guess is Google still hasn't worked out these kinks with SD cards for early Ice Cream Sandwich either. Therefore going with all internal storage and no SD card option avoids the problem and will provide the best user experience. Motorola on the other hand has taken a beating from Xoom owners like myself that waited 6 months for any kind of SD card support and even then found it lacking.

The lack the sd card is a bit of a downer, if samsung goes the same route with the partitions as they did on the sgs2 then we'll only have 11.5gb of free space left on the sdcard.

wat no sd card? blasphemy!

Are you swapping your One X for an S3? Should I?!

Hi all.
I'm delighted with my One X but my friends all keep telling me that the Galaxy S 3 'blows it out of the water'. I obviously don't agree with them and I'm not particularly pleased that Samsung have created their own band of little fanboys like Apple have.
What is your position on this?
The way I see it, the One X:
Looks and feels massively superior, like a premium, well designed product
Has a better screen, the S3 screen is no different to the Nexus and most people would agree the One X runs rings around it in all areas except for black levels
Has a pretty equal camera, that's better in low light
The only main downside to the X is that the video recording is a bit stuttering, but aside from that it's pretty good.
Am I overlooking anything, I don't care about expandable storage. Why are people getting so 'heated' and upset over these things, it's almost as if you aren't allowed to prefer the One X.

For me main advantage of galaxy is its by far superior battery life.

This thread will probably get closed.
but just thell them;
A)They don't know what they're talking about.
B)It's not innovative, Pop up play, SVoice, all copied.
C)Ugly design
D)Ugly pentile matrix
E) less feature packed camera with Supposedly a worse camera from test shots (Will be seen)
F) It has touchwiz (Enough to turn me away)
And I'd your clutching at straws then G) It gas Nvidias tightly knitted support with game developers meaning optimised HD games for The One X, not for the S3
They're my reasons anyhow, I would have sold my One X if the S3 proved to me it was Better, but it didn't so saved me the hassle

by all means the difference is unfounded, though its true SGSIII is some what slightly better,
there are 3 differences worth mentioning, beside looks feels and fanboy preference,(HOX vs SGSIII)
1)Rom, im only mentioning this because whatever is found in one can and will be ported to the other
2)Battery 1800Ah vs 2100mAh
3)Nvidia vs Exynos
about the GPU im not sure how thing work with these,
but something tell me that Nvidia's game will be Nvidia GPU exclusive,
whether they can be patched it beyond me,
while i dont see Exynos Exclusive Games, correct me if im wrong.
so i hope this blows your friends comment about 'blows it out of the water'
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about better life i dont personally know how it compares
specially with T3 & its 4+1 core arrangement

Yes Samsung is better. I mean come on being # 1 and getting 9 million preorders on the s3 pretty much says it all. Plus exynos > tegra 3
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Yes Samsung is better. I mean come on being # 1 and getting 9 million preorders on the s3 pretty much says it all. Plus exynos > tegra 3
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By your logic the iPhone must be the best phone on the planet because it sells the most.

Dtguilds said:
I'm delighted with my One X but my friends all keep telling me that the Galaxy S 3 'blows it out of the water'.
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Yeah mate, you should always give in to peer pressure. Whatever you do, don't stand by your own assessments. Seriously, what are you waiting for? Run!

I really hate touchwiz. Its just not as beautiful and functional. Sense always has very small nitty gritty details covered and I really see the effort in making the user experience awesome, save the bloat as compared to stock or other manufacturer skins. It all depends on what the user is looking for in the end anyway

As everyone knows S3 has better specs, but do they really matter to you? S3 may get higher benchmark scores, but in reality user experience will be pretty similar, perhaps with the exception of gaming. Unless you play lot of games you are not going to notice any difference. Both phones are going to be limited by the amount of RAM far before they are going to be bottle necked by processing power, so you are not really gaining much.
The only downside of One X (for me at least) is battery life and lack of a removable battery. I personally believe OneX's battery life will get better with new firmware releases and tweaks, but even with all the tweaks it may still fall behind S3. Again, how important is it ? For me a phone that can last 1 day or 1.5 days makes no difference because I only charge my phone at night. If it can last a day that is more than enough for me. But a day's use depends on the user and if One X cant last a day, then it could be a real deal breaker. For me this is the only rational reason for anyone already having a One X to upgrade to a S3.
Finally what about cost of upgrading? Right now there is a considerable value difference between the two (depending on your region it could be as high as $250). For me S3 is not worth that much more. Since you already have a One X the upgrade will cost you even more. Given everything IMO you are better off holding on to your One X (and money) for at least a year or so till something worthy comes along (i.e: 2GB, better cam/12MP??, better processor, better screen, Android 5)
I’m still contemplating on my next smartphone, but so far the price difference and S3's hideous design has pushed me towards One X. I don’t want to spend close to $800 on a phone that’s going to be outdated in a year or a year and a half at most.

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What the One V could/should have been?

Guys (Gals?),
are you really satisfied? I mean, as in *REALLY* ?
I find the One V great mostly because of its form factor. Not too small, but still usable with a single hand. I call that more luxury than a quad-core 4.7" SUPER-DUPER display!
Also I find the display is pretty pleasing in its quality. Reading an eBook is like on a e-ink display. Completley silent on my eyes.
However, I find, that HTC should have added a bit more to it. I would say, the HTC One S would be it for me, but who wants a Smartphone without an SD card slot? I enjoy the idea of keeping my MP3 collection on a few SD cards and exchanging them as I want between my phone and laptop. The tablet stays at home, so I can serve it from the file-server.
So, to come to topic:
* More RAM!!! 1GB would've been nice!
* More internal storage: 6GB. Makes it simple to have some stuff internally stored. I did not yet try it, but having more SD cards rotating, it would mean, that I need to install those apps onto all SD cards. Not sure if this works, though. So, 6 GB or 8 GB internal.
* more sensors! Would love to use all the apps of SmartTools (measure space, volume, metal detector, etc.)
* CD coming with stock firmware and flash utility for all three OS
* HTCSync for OS X!
* more modern, faster CPU, though, this is my smallest grief

For me this one would've been perfect had it kept the same size as the HTC Legend. As it is now it's only near perfect. Specs are more than good enough for what I need & use. It's got an excellent GPS receiver, the display has an amazing viewing angle and Android runs really smoothly.

1GB RAM, Snapdragon S3 instead of the S2. It's no question that the RAM & CPU are the weakest parts of this phone.
The lack of a compass is bizarre too.

Actually I'm pretty happy with the phone, considering it's price.
If I wanted it improved, I would say...
1GB RAM
1080p video recording.
That's it. I'm fine with the storage- there's an sd card slot anyway.

My only real gripe with the One V is the really outdated processor, I'm fine with the amount of RAM/app storage since I don't install much anyways, I'm mostly a texter/internet browser - even a downclocked S3 dual-core would make this phone that much better, and probably wouldn't affect battery at all, since it would be downclocked, and the 2nd core would shut down during periods of low activity (I see other phones do this with dual/quad-core CPUs)

i wanted a 4inch screen and atleast 750mb ram
512 is less to handle sense
Sent from my ONE V

As a virgin Mobile user, I see it like this: the one v is a lower end phone, but certainly not the worst choice for vm. For power users, the evo v is the higher end option.
That being said, I love this phone, and it's a big step up from my Optimus V.

qzfive said:
My only real gripe with the One V is the really outdated processor, I'm fine with the amount of RAM/app storage since I don't install much anyways, I'm mostly a texter/internet browser - even a downclocked S3 dual-core would make this phone that much better, and probably wouldn't affect battery at all, since it would be downclocked, and the 2nd core would shut down during periods of low activity (I see other phones do this with dual/quad-core CPUs)
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The CPU is downclocked in this phone as is, but I agree, that a snapdragon S3 would have been a better choice, it could have affect the price tag tough, maybe this was the main point.

Should have been dual core processor, SLCD display, Gorilla Glass, and full sense.
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JalmiNyondong1933 said:
Should have been dual core processor, SLCD display, Gorilla Glass, and full sense.
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The gorilla glass argument is still not solved. Wiki says it isn't, HTC says it is.

Originally Posted by JalmiNyondong1933<br />
Should have been dual core processor, SLCD display, Gorilla Glass, and full sense.<br />
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The gorilla glass argument is still not solved. Wiki says it isn't, HTC says it is.
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Honestly I do believe in Wikipedia rather than HTC, cus Wikipedia helps me finish my dissertation
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JalmiNyondong1933 said:
Honestly I do believe in Wikipedia rather than HTC, cus Wikipedia helps me finish my dissertation
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You actually trusted Wiki enough for that? You have guts sir.

MonsterNo7 said:
You actually trusted Wiki enough for that? You have guts sir.
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Yes. Because Wiki sometimes refers to book.
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With the HTC One V, you get what you pay for
I did a lot of research before buying this phone so I'm glad someone made this thread. First off, I'm a virgin mobile USA customer. Thats means PrimoC CDMA phone.
I settled on this phone because it is small. It's exactly what I was looking for in terms of size and price. When the iPhone was announced for VM I was pretty much sold on it. Completely ignored that it was gunna cost me $650. But the day the iPhone was available for purchase, something wonderful happened...they released the One V, without any forewarning or presale announcement. I originally had doubts about the iPhone for my complete satisfaction and love for the Android platform, as well as the price, and my detest for Apple products' rigid user interface and paltry customization abilities. I mean, one button? No thanks. But the size and power of the iPhone had me drooling, now that it was available on a prepaid plan. I also had my eye on the Evo V that VM has available because of its powerful specs (1.2 GHz dual core processor is lightning fast) but turned me off because of its size. This (meaning the One V) is the only android phone I could find with a screen less than 4 inches and a 1 GHz processor on any carrier (except, I think the myTouch which is on TMobile and not that much better, at least not enough to convince me to leave VM). That being said, the One V's size is the real reason its hardware is so limited. Theres a reason the One X and One s are bigger than this phone. The larger processors are physically larger and with other equipment (e.g. sensors, etc.) on top of that it makes it impossible to fit a phone with those specs into the One V's 3.7" display, solid aluminum unibody frame.
I've tried out the Evo V and if an extra $100 isnt a breaking point for u on what phone you'll buy, and you don't mind a larger phone definitely go with that. But if you want a small frame that feels really good to hold with one hand(talking almost exactly the same outline as the iPhone, but lighter), beautiful display (not exactly iPhone's Retina display or Evo's huge 4.3" 540x460, but still sufficiently beautiful), great sound from both the speaker and headphones, good GPS, the One V is a good choice. It is able to handle multi tasking very well with ICS and now thanks to jmz, you can even get jellybean. The development people have already done with this phone should be enough to sell you on it.
In summation, I think people who would complain about the One V should just get an Evo and shut up. If you can't realize and accept that the One V's size is what has limited its hardware then go for a bigger, more expensive phone and get all the hardware you want. If you wanna be able to detect metal with ur phone you prob should be looking at power user type phones (Galaxy, Droid, or Evo maybe) not the HTC One line which was basically created, and marketed to sell for the beats audio, like those HP laptops. The One X and One S have big processors because theyre supposed to be at the mid-high end for the contract phone companies, which means they sell for twice as much as the One V w/o a contract. The One V is meant to be a prepaid, less expensive option and therefore is smaller, meaning therefore it has smaller, and less numerous hardwares.

You know that the one v was announced months before it's release right?

Maybe it wasnt announced to come to VM?
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lars1216 said:
Maybe it wasnt announced to come to VM?
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It was announced at the same time as the evo v. Lol

So... nobody really missing more sensors? I mean doing stuff like sensing a water tube or an electrical wire under the wall when drilling a hole, measuring the height you're at when jogging uphill, these are all great things to have. Prices for chips are so extremely low these days, one easily could have an ergonomical phone,that simply replaces a hundred tools.
I want it all in my hands

Well, if that's stuff that you look for in a phone, then buy the phone that fits your needs. Personally, I prefer the lack of excess crap I'd never use.

That answer was just as unfriendly as your avatar and nickname and all but constructive. No need to make other people feel bad, just because your life seems to be at a sad state.
Maybe you are aware of the fact, that it is not easy to get a Smartphone, that does all what one wants. Otherwise you would not have opened this thread.