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the lifedrive has 4gb of memory which is great, so why do we keep being fed the same old rubbish of 128mb????????
ok so i can go and buy a 2gb sd card for my xda 11i but that doesnt benefit o2 or the phone manufacturer...........
i would rather pay £50 more for more memory than buy extra cards!!!!
or am i missing something????
archos have 60 80gb systems!!!
im pee'd off with being fed this rubbish of 64mb and 128mb...... this is 2005 for gods sake!!!!
does anyone agree with me????
Some processors only support a certain amount of memory and I see systems that will support only 256 megs as external memory. Also you have the problem with "marketing", to look for any logic there would be fruitless unless you apply it to profits. I have been using xda, xda 2, ipaqs etc for a long time. I use all my phones/pda's for navigation but have been very disappointed with memory constraints plus other problems. I have just bought a "dedicated" gps and mp3 player. Its a Mitac 269 and its based on win ce.net 4.2 core. It has an sd slot for added memory but has internal storage ram of 64 meg and an integrated 2.5 gig hard disk. This allows street mapping for whole of UK plus major roads of europe. 500 megs is available for the built in mp3 player also. The best thing is that it isnt as "dedicated" as it appears. I have found a patch that unlocks the system so it can be used as a normal pda and will also use activesync instead of the mitac sync software. This is all contained in a 200 gramm package with a beautiful color screen and numerous shortcut buttons. The lifedrive uses similar technology with its 4 gig hard drive so maybe you wont be waiting much longer for your wishes to come true on other ranges. By the way, because the mio 269 I bought had no accessories I got it for £100, normal price is approx £350.. :shock:
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the lifedrive has 4gb of memory which is great, so why do we keep being fed the same old rubbish of 128mb????????
ok so i can go and buy a 2gb sd card for my xda 11i but that doesnt benefit o2 or the phone manufacturer...........
i would rather pay £50 more for more memory than buy extra cards!!!!
or am i missing something????
archos have 60 80gb systems!!!
im pee'd off with being fed this rubbish of 64mb and 128mb...... this is 2005 for gods sake!!!!
does anyone agree with me????
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:shock: U really are.....NOT-ENOUGH-MEMORY....(or u should be never-enough-memory)...:lol:
RAGO :lol:
I used to have an I-mate JasJar and I loved it!
The reason I sold the device is becouse it had only 64 MB of ram and that was not quiet enough for me!
However, if it is at all possible to uppgrade to 128 MB or even to 256 MB, I would buy a new one in an instant!
So please tell me, is it possible?
Also I would like to know if I can use a sdhc memory card so I can have at least 8 GB of memory, would be cool!
The reason I am asking for this is becouse I love the device and I especially LOVE the keybord!
I bought an HTC Advantage, and I think that the keybord sucks on that device!
I'm going to update my qtek9000 to 128M soon I hope it will work well, I will update you after I will do it.
Regards the SDHC, I'm using 16G SDHC and its working just great.
128Mb
Hello,
I have a 128 Mb Uni and it's wonderfull for me, a new Universal, more stability, quick response, no more soft reset, big games launch ...I also use 8 Gb SDHC without problems.
Thats great guys!
Then I will watch out for a new device to buy!
Oh, buy the way, how is watching videos on the device?
Is it lagging (skipping frames) or is it working ok?
I live in Sweden, do you think if I buy that someone else can do the uppgrade for me? I am not good at this!
Also would like to know if it would be possible to uppgrade to 256MB of ram instead of 128MB? (That would really be GREAT!
Thanks in advance!
Read this post
"http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382177"
Hello everyone!
I now have a I-Mate JasJar and I love it!
However, it is a 64 mb unit and I am considering the upgrade!
So I wanted to ask everyone that has already done the upgrade if they think it was worth it?
Also I would like to know where you can see the improvment the most?
I like Nav n go Igo 8 navi program and my device clearly
does not have enough memory to run it properly, will it help to do the upgrade or is it so that the graphic card is not quiet up for the challenge to be able to show 3d terrain and everything else in Igo8?
So basicly I want some coments from you guys, what works after the upgrade and what does not work?
For me I am considering either to do the upgrade or to buy the Touch pro when it cames out, but the thing is that I like this device to much to sell it!
So is there any hope for it? Is it going to be as good as the rest of the devices that has more memory (like tytn II), or is it just not worth it?
Oh and buy the way, I do own a tytn II so I know all about the missing drivers and stuff, the fact that it has a gps is great but somehow I dont mind that my universal does not have gps becouse I have an external gps anyway and it is much better then the built in gps in tytn II!
not get mine upgraded yet but I won't even though the xda exec might be stronger and faster / more stable? I have no idea but I never want mine to be disassembled or replaced sth. I want it to be still original and untouched inside, I love software and OS modding but no hardware modding seem to be interesting to me.
Well, I have send my Qtek9000 yesterday to the shop in Germany to get it upgraded...
Why, becose I am running IGO8 and have not enough Ram to run it properly.
I hope it solves the problems I have running IGO8 like the 3D map wich somethimes dissapears after a while...
I let you know my experience after the upgrade...!
Actually, if you install many softwares then ROM is more important because even though you can install the softwares to the memory card but many programs would install either in part on in full to the ROM
You'll reach a stage whereby you cannot install programs even to the memory card because you'll face 'Storage Memory Low' error
I wonder whether it's possible to upgrade the ROM too say to 512MB?
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Actually, if you install many softwares then ROM is more important because even though you can install the softwares to the memory card but many programs would install either in part on in full to the ROM
You'll reach a stage whereby you cannot install programs even to the memory card because you'll face 'Storage Memory Low' error
I wonder whether it's possible to upgrade the ROM too say to 512MB?
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Don't know if you are familiair with the memory of computers, but...
See the SD-card as the harddisk. That's clear.
See the ROM as memory that you cannot use for your own (exceptions are Flash and extended memory, but those are 'hard disks' too)
So, all 'hard disks' are used to store stuff onto. This can be programs, images, databases, whatever.
See the RAM as usable program memory (the RAM of your computer - might be 1Gb or 2Gb or 4Gb)
The 128MB is RAM, so only to be used as program memory, memory used while running programs.
Each program that is installed costs NO RAM, except when you (or the OS) run it. Drivers only consume program memory when they are loaded.
So, installing eg. a large game won't change anything to your RAM.
Most programs can be installed to SD. Only a few cannot. However, often can be tweaked (eg. Opera, Wisbar) to run from SD without any problem.
I would very much like to have 128MB too... I was under the impression that the store in Germany would not do this anymore (it is not on their web site)
So, CFDS, when you get the Universal back, please inform us of its state!
RE
I think you're mistaken
I'm referring to the storage memory vs the program memory.
The Uni has 128 MB Flash ROM and 64 MB SDRAM. Similarly, the SAMSUNG SGH i900 has 256 MB Flash ROM and 128 MB SDRAM
Here's the spec for the Uni (QTEK 9000)
http://www.qtek.nu/europe/products/9000/specifications.aspx
Are they really doing the upgrade?
cfds said:
Well, I have send my Qtek9000 yesterday to the shop in Germany to get it upgraded...
Why, becose I am running IGO8 and have not enough Ram to run it properly.
I hope it solves the problems I have running IGO8 like the 3D map wich somethimes dissapears after a while...
I let you know my experience after the upgrade...!
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Thanks for your reply, yes Igo8 is why I am considering the upgrade myself!
Please let me know when you get your device back, I would really like to know how it works with Igo8!
Also I would like to know to what shop in Germany you sent your device?
The only shop I know of is this: http://www.srsgmbh.de/en/index1.html and I dont see that they can do the upgrade anywhere on their site!
I wrote them an email asking them if they can do it and what the cost will be, but so far I have not recieved any answer!
Is this the shop you are reffering to or do you know of any other in Germany that will do the upgrade?
Also do you know what the price should be and how long it should take?
Thanks in advance!
Please confirm this?
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I think you're mistaken
I'm referring to the storage memory vs the program memory.
The Uni has 128 MB Flash ROM and 64 MB SDRAM. Similarly, the SAMSUNG SGH i900 has 256 MB Flash ROM and 128 MB SDRAM
Here's the spec for the Uni (QTEK 9000)
http://www.qtek.nu/europe/products/9000/specifications.aspx
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Ok, so you mean that if one does the RAM upgrade one will not get more PROGRAM MEMORY?
Please confirm this, it would really be shame to spend money on the upgrade only to not recieve any additional "program memory" which I think is equaly important!
I tought that by doing the upgrade it will be equalent to a Tytn II device both in "RAM" and in "program memory"! So please confirm this!
Thanks in advance!
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"Ok, so you mean that if one does the RAM upgrade one will not get more PROGRAM MEMORY?"
As I mentioned the Uni has 128 MB Flash ROM and 64 MB SDRAM. If you do a RAM upgrade you'll get 128MB SDRAM and that means you'll have MORE program memory but your storage memory remains the same at 128 MB Flash ROM
For comparison, I've taken a look at the SAMSUNG SGH i900 running WM 6.1 at its default installation and found that the FREE storage memory is about 30+ to 50+ MB. If you're the type who wants to install many programs then I think this amount is inadequate. The SONY EXPERIA X1 might be a good alternative giving 512 MB ROM and 256 MB RAM.
FI, my QTEK 9000's FREE storage memory is about 3 MB so can't do software installation even to the SD card because I'm facing the 'Storage Memory Low' error during installation of programs
Program memory is important for program running. Generally, if you do have 20 -30 MB of FREE program memory it's adequate to run most programs smoothly. However, certain programs may require more to ensure stability and smooth running.
Yes, this is the shop I send my Qtek to in Germany: http://www.srsgmbh.de/en/index1.html
He confirmed a couple of weeks ago that he's able to do the Ram upgrade on the Qtek9000. He charges 119€ for the upgrade and it would take a week excluding shipping...
Can hardly wait to get it back...!
How did you send it?
cfds said:
Yes, this is the shop I send my Qtek to in Germany: http://www.srsgmbh.de/en/index1.html
He confirmed a couple of weeks ago that he's able to do the Ram upgrade on the Qtek9000. He charges 119€ for the upgrade and it would take a week excluding shipping...
Can hardly wait to get it back...!
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Did you just fill in the form and sent it? I dont see anywhere to fill in country!
Is this how you sent it or did you do any other way?
Thanks
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"Ok, so you mean that if one does the RAM upgrade one will not get more PROGRAM MEMORY?"
As I mentioned the Uni has 128 MB Flash ROM and 64 MB SDRAM. If you do a RAM upgrade you'll get 128MB SDRAM and that means you'll have MORE program memory but your storage memory remains the same at 128 MB Flash ROM
For comparison, I've taken a look at the SAMSUNG SGH i900 running WM 6.1 at its default installation and found that the FREE storage memory is about 30+ to 50+ MB. If you're the type who wants to install many programs then I think this amount is inadequate. The SONY EXPERIA X1 might be a good alternative giving 512 MB ROM and 256 MB RAM.
FI, my QTEK 9000's FREE storage memory is about 3 MB so can't do software installation even to the SD card because I'm facing the 'Storage Memory Low' error during installation of programs
Program memory is important for program running. Generally, if you do have 20 -30 MB of FREE program memory it's adequate to run most programs smoothly. However, certain programs may require more to ensure stability and smooth running.
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Ok I understand now, but is there a way of upgrading the storage memory as well or is it just possible to upgrade RAM?
Also does anyone know if 128 MB Ram is the limit or is it possible to upgrade even more, perhaps 256 MB?
Thanks
Info on the 128Mb Upgrade
I have do the 128Mb upgrade to my Uni. Was it worth it, well that depends, I think it was for me. You will not notice any big change in app loading speeds, but if you are running heavy weight app's like sat nav were you see lock ups or 'low resource' warnings them yes it is wroth it. It wont get you any more stroage space but it does give you more program running space.
Currently 128Mb is the max M-RAM that can be fitted to the Uni, I beleive due to ROM image limitations. The chips are also obsolite and can be hard to get hold of have a look at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Universal_128_Shop for places that sell and upgrade. To do it yourself will require specialist equipment, so unless you know what is involved get it done for you.
Dave
D.Apsley said:
I have do the 128Mb upgrade to my Uni. Was it worth it, well that depends, I think it was for me. You will not notice any big change in app loading speeds, but if you are running heavy weight app's like sat nav were you see lock ups or 'low resource' warnings them yes it is wroth it. It wont get you any more stroage space but it does give you more program running space.
Currently 128Mb is the max M-RAM that can be fitted to the Uni, I beleive due to ROM image limitations. The chips are also obsolite and can be hard to get hold of have a look at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Universal_128_Shop for places that sell and upgrade. To do it yourself will require specialist equipment, so unless you know what is involved get it done for you.
Dave
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Ok thanks for then info!
Have you or do you plan on testing your upgraded uni with Igo8 to see if it works properly? That is why I am considering the upgrade in the first place so it is very important for me to know if it works or not!
Thanks in advance!
I enclosed a letter in the shipment(registered mail) which explained my request, contained all details from my PDA and personal details. I also send him an e-mail with the same request...
Lets hope that all goes well!!!
Ciao!
D.Apsley said:
Currently 128Mb is the max M-RAM that can be fitted to the Uni, I beleive due to ROM image limitations. The chips are also obsolite and can be hard to get hold of have a look at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Universal_128_Shop for places that sell and upgrade. To do it yourself will require specialist equipment, so unless you know what is involved get it done for you.
Dave
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Not so sure, Universal also works with 256 mb BGA RAM chips from Notebook memory
Win_XP said:
Not so sure, Universal also works with 256 mb BGA RAM chips from Notebook memory
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Really? How can I get it upgraded to 256 mb?
Just think about it, 256 mb on universal, how cool is that?
If you are going to run Igo8 on your Uni then the answer to the question is YES, get the upgrade done.
Received my Qtek back today from its Ram upgrade...
86,5mb free of prog mem after reset...
Tried iGO8 on it...it used up to 65mb of prog memory but it ran very smooth...had all selected-3D building/terrain etc...
So far after 2X 30 min of usage/navigating I did not lost my 3D map...will see how it behaves when I use it for an 2.5hrs/250km trip...
That is GREAT news!
cfds said:
Received my Qtek back today from its Ram upgrade...
86,5mb free of prog mem after reset...
Tried iGO8 on it...it used up to 65mb of prog memory but it ran very smooth...had all selected-3D building/terrain etc...
So far after 2X 30 min of usage/navigating I did not lost my 3D map...will see how it behaves when I use it for an 2.5hrs/250km trip...
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This is great news, please tell me how much did the upgrade cost you?
Oh and I would also like to know exactly how you sent it for the upgrade, becouse I have so far not recieved any answer from them!
Thanks in advance!
Come on folks...128gb microsd?!?!
At first I was excited about the Sandisk announcement (http://dailymobile.se/2008/10/20/sandisk-to-develop-128gb-micosd/); but then I asked one question--When will this end?
I'm torn between constantly buying "the next biggest memory card" versus start storing everything I need online.
Sure they both have their PROs and CONs -- but since 99% of my travels are in a 3G area...
...why NOT use one of the many FREE picture/file stores online?
...and why NOT watch movies and vids online instead of a downloaded copy to my memory card?
...and why not start storing my contacts, calendar, tasks and everyday To Do lists online too?
...and why not even run my desktop applications online where I can access them anywhere I have connectivity?
We Tech OGs know this "cloud computing (Web 3.0)" is nothing new--remember DUMB TERMINALS and THIN CLIENTS? Amongst other advantages, it was SUPPOSE to put a halt to ever-growing disk space needs and excessive licensing costs back in the 1980s and 90s. It didn't really fly...and so now Here we go again.
With only a handful of today's mobile devices having more than 640K of RAM, maybe Bill Gates was right after all when he supposedly said "640K of memory should be enough for anybody".
What is better than to have a large cyclinder capacity?
Right - even more cyclinder capacity ...
I am not traveling always in good 3G connection area and I like to carry arround the data I need. The more the better, for me it is realy that simple.
Wikipedia, MP3s, Navigation, Presentations, fotos, documents, etc.
With a smal card I have to select the data. The larger the card the easier it will be - just have everything.
Claus
128GB on a MicroSD card is just insane.
Been there...done that
dingolino said:
What is better than to have a large cyclinder capacity?
Right - even more cyclinder capacity ...
I am not traveling always in good 3G connection area and I like to carry arround the data I need. The more the better, for me it is realy that simple.
Wikipedia, MP3s, Navigation, Presentations, fotos, documents, etc.
With a smal card I have to select the data. The larger the card the easier it will be - just have everything.
Claus
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Until about 2 years ago, I loaded gigs of TomTom and Mapopolis maps to my SD card. The problem was those maps NEVER had street names and areas less than 4 years old. So I abandoned that and started using Google Maps, YahooGo and Nav4All. The only downside is that an internet connection is now required. I'm now starting to go online with fotos so I can share. I abandoned loading encyclopedias, dictionaries and wikis to my SD cards a long time ago. To me loading those on a card is the same as carrying around hard/printed copies. It's outdated the second you put it on paper. By accessing those online, in theory, you'll have the latest updates.
My only concern with accessing contacts, calendar, tasks and documents online is SECURITY.
Not long ago I spent $60 on a 4GB micro SDHC
Haven't come close to filling it -- but when I saw a 8GB for only $25 last week, I just had to grab it.
I just might do the same when 16GB get to that price point.
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Not long ago I spent $60 on a 4GB micro SDHC
Haven't come close to filling it -- but when I saw a 8GB for only $25 last week, I just had to grab it.
I just might do the same when 16GB get to that price point.
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I spent the equivalent of $12 on a 4GB Micro SDHC the other day.
I have the same problem and now it has been sorted!
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What is better than to have a large cyclinder capacity?
Right - even more cyclinder capacity ...
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Meanwhile this rule of thumb isn't true anymore. The pressure inside the cylinder affects the power of an engine too. So more cylinder capacity isn't neccessary that much.
Had a 512MB SD Card - was enougth but a bit too small ... !
Upgraded to a 1GB SD Card - was enougth but again became a bit too small.
Bought me a 2GB SD Card - damn, still not enough space ... !
Got me a 4GB Card - ... will it ever be large enough for my needs?
Sitting on my 8GB Card - ... not enough space !!!
Well, avoided so far the 16Gig Card because I think it is just too expensive! Hopefully prices will drop soon - so, 128GB would be cool, I could get rid of my 160GB USB drive.
However, I doubt that any currently available MOBILE HANDSET would be capable of handling a 128GB Card ... !
..let me hear ya say tera. oh yeah
The more space you have, the more space you´ll need/use
So the "When is enough" will have to be answered by users and not by manufacturers. The day we don´t buy something that will be the day when they maybe say "Now it´s enough"
Keep in mind those Cards will be used as well for other things then Phones. with a USB reader ( that you could carry on your key chain) you could carry complete data of your desktop with those. (pictures. movies,music etc)
I am selling those readers and many company's that have been using CD/DVDs moving to USB readers with cards. >see the picture for sample<
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Meanwhile this rule of thumb isn't true anymore. The pressure inside the cylinder affects the power of an engine too. So more cylinder capacity isn't neccessary that much.
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Untill you also fill that bigger cylinder with more air....
I suppose the question is not necessarily whether or not "when will enough be enough" but more so "when will they develope phones with much better camera and video quality? That is when the large SD cards will come in handy. 4 years ago Samsung made a great phone for Verizon Wireless. It did nto sell well because it never had a great sale on it but the thing had amazing video, camera, and even voice to text on it.
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I suppose the question is not necessarily whether or not "when will enough be enough" but more so "when will they develope phones with much better camera and video quality? That is when the large SD cards will come in handy. 4 years ago Samsung made a great phone for Verizon Wireless. It did nto sell well because it never had a great sale on it but the thing had amazing video, camera, and even voice to text on it.
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like this nokia n98? id rather buy a camera and a phone/pda i mean its not like digital zoom is amazing or anything, but yeah that would use alot of space, so would a phone with better screen resolution then all of the games/videos would be bigger. there probably wont ever be an end because people are lazy so they program lazy and dont optimize code and people want everything to be hd so everything will be bloated just for graphics
Wow, that is a pretty sweet phone anda carl zeis lens is really killer for a phone! So I guess that would be a yes.
so this is still using the SDHC interface or what??
it wouldnt make sencse to make a new subunit of SD if it can only go 128 Gb, because face it........ that isnt large enough to support another couple of years.
the jump from 2 Gb to 32 Gb was pritty big, 16 times the capacity.
32 Gb to 128 Gb is nothing compared to that first jump, its only 4 times bigger.
The real question should have been. Where can I get one and how much?
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The real question should have been. Where can I get one and how much?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13520709&postcount=8503
I plan to get the 128GB SDXC in that thread.
Thanks, but those are SD, not micro SD which is what we need for smartphones.
own an omina 7 and after 2 weeks i am down to 2.11GB free???? anyone know exactly how big that last xbox live extras update was??? i though i saw a massive nember when downloading it but it was so huge i thought it was a mistake was it really 2gbish? theres no way a 8gb wp7 phone can survive if updates are gonna be this big. if so how could carriers only supply 8gb phones??? .......... i have 1.31 gb of music, and only 11mb of pictures. ( the rest store on skydrive . i have installed some trial games, the biggest being need for speed i think(200mb) and the harvest) but surely a 2gb update is ridiclous?? it cant be true???..............
I think you might to look at your numbers again as i have a connection which gives me about 400kbps down and the XBL Extras update took less than a minute this afternoon.
Also if you look in the Marketplace it shows you XBL Extras is 20MB.
uninstalled xbox live games and then found out it didnt take that much space after all! phew, still its me me realise a much bigger problem. those intendingn to have a lot of games on their phones must not make the same mistake i did. do NOT buy a 8gb phone if you are intending to play a lot of games. fortunately i tried several demos. and games like need for speed undercover come in at a whooping 200mb!!!!! needless to say, ive uninstalled them now!
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uninstalled xbox live games and then found out it didnt take that much space after all! phew, still its me me realise a much bigger problem. those intendingn to have a lot of games on their phones must not make the same mistake i did. do NOT buy a 8gb phone if you are intending to play a lot of games. fortunately i tried several demos. and games like need for speed undercover come in at a whooping 200mb!!!!! needless to say, ive uninstalled them now!
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That would make a lot of sense.
The games are much bigger than games on Android, however they are better quality and so people just need to be aware on how much space demos / games consume.
has anyone cracked open the omnia to see if you can upgrade the memory like the HD7? I got the HD7 in the end as i thought 8gb was stupidly low. I have 16gb and have about 2.3gb left but will be upgrading to 32gb once the cost of class 6 cards comes down
they say class 4 is enough, so i wouldn't hold out, i'd just buy the 32GB class 4.
As for the Omnia 7, it uses NAND storage (on board), not microSD, so it cannot be replaced.
In saying that, I'm yet to see any 16GB Omnia handsets available. In australia, only the 8GB is available.