Hello everyone!
I now have a I-Mate JasJar and I love it!
However, it is a 64 mb unit and I am considering the upgrade!
So I wanted to ask everyone that has already done the upgrade if they think it was worth it?
Also I would like to know where you can see the improvment the most?
I like Nav n go Igo 8 navi program and my device clearly
does not have enough memory to run it properly, will it help to do the upgrade or is it so that the graphic card is not quiet up for the challenge to be able to show 3d terrain and everything else in Igo8?
So basicly I want some coments from you guys, what works after the upgrade and what does not work?
For me I am considering either to do the upgrade or to buy the Touch pro when it cames out, but the thing is that I like this device to much to sell it!
So is there any hope for it? Is it going to be as good as the rest of the devices that has more memory (like tytn II), or is it just not worth it?
Oh and buy the way, I do own a tytn II so I know all about the missing drivers and stuff, the fact that it has a gps is great but somehow I dont mind that my universal does not have gps becouse I have an external gps anyway and it is much better then the built in gps in tytn II!
not get mine upgraded yet but I won't even though the xda exec might be stronger and faster / more stable? I have no idea but I never want mine to be disassembled or replaced sth. I want it to be still original and untouched inside, I love software and OS modding but no hardware modding seem to be interesting to me.
Well, I have send my Qtek9000 yesterday to the shop in Germany to get it upgraded...
Why, becose I am running IGO8 and have not enough Ram to run it properly.
I hope it solves the problems I have running IGO8 like the 3D map wich somethimes dissapears after a while...
I let you know my experience after the upgrade...!
Actually, if you install many softwares then ROM is more important because even though you can install the softwares to the memory card but many programs would install either in part on in full to the ROM
You'll reach a stage whereby you cannot install programs even to the memory card because you'll face 'Storage Memory Low' error
I wonder whether it's possible to upgrade the ROM too say to 512MB?
FOSA said:
Actually, if you install many softwares then ROM is more important because even though you can install the softwares to the memory card but many programs would install either in part on in full to the ROM
You'll reach a stage whereby you cannot install programs even to the memory card because you'll face 'Storage Memory Low' error
I wonder whether it's possible to upgrade the ROM too say to 512MB?
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Don't know if you are familiair with the memory of computers, but...
See the SD-card as the harddisk. That's clear.
See the ROM as memory that you cannot use for your own (exceptions are Flash and extended memory, but those are 'hard disks' too)
So, all 'hard disks' are used to store stuff onto. This can be programs, images, databases, whatever.
See the RAM as usable program memory (the RAM of your computer - might be 1Gb or 2Gb or 4Gb)
The 128MB is RAM, so only to be used as program memory, memory used while running programs.
Each program that is installed costs NO RAM, except when you (or the OS) run it. Drivers only consume program memory when they are loaded.
So, installing eg. a large game won't change anything to your RAM.
Most programs can be installed to SD. Only a few cannot. However, often can be tweaked (eg. Opera, Wisbar) to run from SD without any problem.
I would very much like to have 128MB too... I was under the impression that the store in Germany would not do this anymore (it is not on their web site)
So, CFDS, when you get the Universal back, please inform us of its state!
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I think you're mistaken
I'm referring to the storage memory vs the program memory.
The Uni has 128 MB Flash ROM and 64 MB SDRAM. Similarly, the SAMSUNG SGH i900 has 256 MB Flash ROM and 128 MB SDRAM
Here's the spec for the Uni (QTEK 9000)
http://www.qtek.nu/europe/products/9000/specifications.aspx
Are they really doing the upgrade?
cfds said:
Well, I have send my Qtek9000 yesterday to the shop in Germany to get it upgraded...
Why, becose I am running IGO8 and have not enough Ram to run it properly.
I hope it solves the problems I have running IGO8 like the 3D map wich somethimes dissapears after a while...
I let you know my experience after the upgrade...!
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Thanks for your reply, yes Igo8 is why I am considering the upgrade myself!
Please let me know when you get your device back, I would really like to know how it works with Igo8!
Also I would like to know to what shop in Germany you sent your device?
The only shop I know of is this: http://www.srsgmbh.de/en/index1.html and I dont see that they can do the upgrade anywhere on their site!
I wrote them an email asking them if they can do it and what the cost will be, but so far I have not recieved any answer!
Is this the shop you are reffering to or do you know of any other in Germany that will do the upgrade?
Also do you know what the price should be and how long it should take?
Thanks in advance!
Please confirm this?
FOSA said:
I think you're mistaken
I'm referring to the storage memory vs the program memory.
The Uni has 128 MB Flash ROM and 64 MB SDRAM. Similarly, the SAMSUNG SGH i900 has 256 MB Flash ROM and 128 MB SDRAM
Here's the spec for the Uni (QTEK 9000)
http://www.qtek.nu/europe/products/9000/specifications.aspx
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Ok, so you mean that if one does the RAM upgrade one will not get more PROGRAM MEMORY?
Please confirm this, it would really be shame to spend money on the upgrade only to not recieve any additional "program memory" which I think is equaly important!
I tought that by doing the upgrade it will be equalent to a Tytn II device both in "RAM" and in "program memory"! So please confirm this!
Thanks in advance!
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"Ok, so you mean that if one does the RAM upgrade one will not get more PROGRAM MEMORY?"
As I mentioned the Uni has 128 MB Flash ROM and 64 MB SDRAM. If you do a RAM upgrade you'll get 128MB SDRAM and that means you'll have MORE program memory but your storage memory remains the same at 128 MB Flash ROM
For comparison, I've taken a look at the SAMSUNG SGH i900 running WM 6.1 at its default installation and found that the FREE storage memory is about 30+ to 50+ MB. If you're the type who wants to install many programs then I think this amount is inadequate. The SONY EXPERIA X1 might be a good alternative giving 512 MB ROM and 256 MB RAM.
FI, my QTEK 9000's FREE storage memory is about 3 MB so can't do software installation even to the SD card because I'm facing the 'Storage Memory Low' error during installation of programs
Program memory is important for program running. Generally, if you do have 20 -30 MB of FREE program memory it's adequate to run most programs smoothly. However, certain programs may require more to ensure stability and smooth running.
Yes, this is the shop I send my Qtek to in Germany: http://www.srsgmbh.de/en/index1.html
He confirmed a couple of weeks ago that he's able to do the Ram upgrade on the Qtek9000. He charges 119€ for the upgrade and it would take a week excluding shipping...
Can hardly wait to get it back...!
How did you send it?
cfds said:
Yes, this is the shop I send my Qtek to in Germany: http://www.srsgmbh.de/en/index1.html
He confirmed a couple of weeks ago that he's able to do the Ram upgrade on the Qtek9000. He charges 119€ for the upgrade and it would take a week excluding shipping...
Can hardly wait to get it back...!
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Did you just fill in the form and sent it? I dont see anywhere to fill in country!
Is this how you sent it or did you do any other way?
Thanks
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"Ok, so you mean that if one does the RAM upgrade one will not get more PROGRAM MEMORY?"
As I mentioned the Uni has 128 MB Flash ROM and 64 MB SDRAM. If you do a RAM upgrade you'll get 128MB SDRAM and that means you'll have MORE program memory but your storage memory remains the same at 128 MB Flash ROM
For comparison, I've taken a look at the SAMSUNG SGH i900 running WM 6.1 at its default installation and found that the FREE storage memory is about 30+ to 50+ MB. If you're the type who wants to install many programs then I think this amount is inadequate. The SONY EXPERIA X1 might be a good alternative giving 512 MB ROM and 256 MB RAM.
FI, my QTEK 9000's FREE storage memory is about 3 MB so can't do software installation even to the SD card because I'm facing the 'Storage Memory Low' error during installation of programs
Program memory is important for program running. Generally, if you do have 20 -30 MB of FREE program memory it's adequate to run most programs smoothly. However, certain programs may require more to ensure stability and smooth running.
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Ok I understand now, but is there a way of upgrading the storage memory as well or is it just possible to upgrade RAM?
Also does anyone know if 128 MB Ram is the limit or is it possible to upgrade even more, perhaps 256 MB?
Thanks
Info on the 128Mb Upgrade
I have do the 128Mb upgrade to my Uni. Was it worth it, well that depends, I think it was for me. You will not notice any big change in app loading speeds, but if you are running heavy weight app's like sat nav were you see lock ups or 'low resource' warnings them yes it is wroth it. It wont get you any more stroage space but it does give you more program running space.
Currently 128Mb is the max M-RAM that can be fitted to the Uni, I beleive due to ROM image limitations. The chips are also obsolite and can be hard to get hold of have a look at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Universal_128_Shop for places that sell and upgrade. To do it yourself will require specialist equipment, so unless you know what is involved get it done for you.
Dave
D.Apsley said:
I have do the 128Mb upgrade to my Uni. Was it worth it, well that depends, I think it was for me. You will not notice any big change in app loading speeds, but if you are running heavy weight app's like sat nav were you see lock ups or 'low resource' warnings them yes it is wroth it. It wont get you any more stroage space but it does give you more program running space.
Currently 128Mb is the max M-RAM that can be fitted to the Uni, I beleive due to ROM image limitations. The chips are also obsolite and can be hard to get hold of have a look at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Universal_128_Shop for places that sell and upgrade. To do it yourself will require specialist equipment, so unless you know what is involved get it done for you.
Dave
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Ok thanks for then info!
Have you or do you plan on testing your upgraded uni with Igo8 to see if it works properly? That is why I am considering the upgrade in the first place so it is very important for me to know if it works or not!
Thanks in advance!
I enclosed a letter in the shipment(registered mail) which explained my request, contained all details from my PDA and personal details. I also send him an e-mail with the same request...
Lets hope that all goes well!!!
Ciao!
D.Apsley said:
Currently 128Mb is the max M-RAM that can be fitted to the Uni, I beleive due to ROM image limitations. The chips are also obsolite and can be hard to get hold of have a look at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Universal_128_Shop for places that sell and upgrade. To do it yourself will require specialist equipment, so unless you know what is involved get it done for you.
Dave
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Not so sure, Universal also works with 256 mb BGA RAM chips from Notebook memory
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Not so sure, Universal also works with 256 mb BGA RAM chips from Notebook memory
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Really? How can I get it upgraded to 256 mb?
Just think about it, 256 mb on universal, how cool is that?
If you are going to run Igo8 on your Uni then the answer to the question is YES, get the upgrade done.
Received my Qtek back today from its Ram upgrade...
86,5mb free of prog mem after reset...
Tried iGO8 on it...it used up to 65mb of prog memory but it ran very smooth...had all selected-3D building/terrain etc...
So far after 2X 30 min of usage/navigating I did not lost my 3D map...will see how it behaves when I use it for an 2.5hrs/250km trip...
That is GREAT news!
cfds said:
Received my Qtek back today from its Ram upgrade...
86,5mb free of prog mem after reset...
Tried iGO8 on it...it used up to 65mb of prog memory but it ran very smooth...had all selected-3D building/terrain etc...
So far after 2X 30 min of usage/navigating I did not lost my 3D map...will see how it behaves when I use it for an 2.5hrs/250km trip...
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This is great news, please tell me how much did the upgrade cost you?
Oh and I would also like to know exactly how you sent it for the upgrade, becouse I have so far not recieved any answer from them!
Thanks in advance!
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Hi,
i have found an Institut (FH-Gelsenkirchen, Germany) wich does the RAM-Upgrade from 32MB to 64MB Ram for 67,- EUR.
Has anybody interest in that?
Bye
Marcop
Me, perhaps. Can you tell me more?
DerFidi
yes, very interested. More info please...
Hi,
i will do the Upgrade at the FH on Thursday. After that i write how it works.
Bye
Marco
Upgrading Memory from 32MB to 128MB??
Has anyone upgraded their RAM from 32MB standard to 128MB or more?
Just found a site in the United States that will do this for about $200.00, they also do an 64MB upgrade for much less.
Just wanted to know if anyone did this and if it made a huge difference in running applications..
Thanks.
Chalil
Re: Upgrading Memory from 32MB to 128MB??
chalil said:
Has anyone upgraded their RAM from 32MB standard to 128MB or more?
Just found a site in the United States that will do this for about $200.00, they also do an 64MB upgrade for much less.
Just wanted to know if anyone did this and if it made a huge difference in running applications..
Thanks.
Chalil
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Please, Chalil, don't keep it to yourself, post the weblink.
www.pocketpctechs.com
So have you done this upgrade to the RAM???
Have you noticed any major improvements with the additional RAM, or are they Minor?
My main problem right now is that I don't have enought juice to run Pocket TV or Windows Media Player while working with some Excel Spreadsheets.
Thanks for your help and for listing the site where to get the upgrade..
thanks valheru.
Upgrade RAM 32MB to 128 MB on SX56 or Get a newer Device?
Valheru,
Please help me get the answers I am looking for:
1) Did you feel it was worth upgrading your existing SX56 from 32 MB to 64 MB compared to just getting a new unit?
2) Have you noticed a huge difference in the processing speed and the ability to run multiple applications at the same time.
I am debating on whether to keep my existing device and upgrade it or simply start over with a newer and more powerful unit.
Also how is your signal strength on your phone? Mine occasionally will die out and I will have to reboot it to get it going. I didn't know if this could be in part to me using most of my memory for other applications? Could it be?
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
the lifedrive has 4gb of memory which is great, so why do we keep being fed the same old rubbish of 128mb????????
ok so i can go and buy a 2gb sd card for my xda 11i but that doesnt benefit o2 or the phone manufacturer...........
i would rather pay £50 more for more memory than buy extra cards!!!!
or am i missing something????
archos have 60 80gb systems!!!
im pee'd off with being fed this rubbish of 64mb and 128mb...... this is 2005 for gods sake!!!!
does anyone agree with me????
Some processors only support a certain amount of memory and I see systems that will support only 256 megs as external memory. Also you have the problem with "marketing", to look for any logic there would be fruitless unless you apply it to profits. I have been using xda, xda 2, ipaqs etc for a long time. I use all my phones/pda's for navigation but have been very disappointed with memory constraints plus other problems. I have just bought a "dedicated" gps and mp3 player. Its a Mitac 269 and its based on win ce.net 4.2 core. It has an sd slot for added memory but has internal storage ram of 64 meg and an integrated 2.5 gig hard disk. This allows street mapping for whole of UK plus major roads of europe. 500 megs is available for the built in mp3 player also. The best thing is that it isnt as "dedicated" as it appears. I have found a patch that unlocks the system so it can be used as a normal pda and will also use activesync instead of the mitac sync software. This is all contained in a 200 gramm package with a beautiful color screen and numerous shortcut buttons. The lifedrive uses similar technology with its 4 gig hard drive so maybe you wont be waiting much longer for your wishes to come true on other ranges. By the way, because the mio 269 I bought had no accessories I got it for £100, normal price is approx £350.. :shock:
not-enough-memory said:
the lifedrive has 4gb of memory which is great, so why do we keep being fed the same old rubbish of 128mb????????
ok so i can go and buy a 2gb sd card for my xda 11i but that doesnt benefit o2 or the phone manufacturer...........
i would rather pay £50 more for more memory than buy extra cards!!!!
or am i missing something????
archos have 60 80gb systems!!!
im pee'd off with being fed this rubbish of 64mb and 128mb...... this is 2005 for gods sake!!!!
does anyone agree with me????
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:shock: U really are.....NOT-ENOUGH-MEMORY....(or u should be never-enough-memory)...:lol:
RAGO :lol:
I used to have an I-mate JasJar and I loved it!
The reason I sold the device is becouse it had only 64 MB of ram and that was not quiet enough for me!
However, if it is at all possible to uppgrade to 128 MB or even to 256 MB, I would buy a new one in an instant!
So please tell me, is it possible?
Also I would like to know if I can use a sdhc memory card so I can have at least 8 GB of memory, would be cool!
The reason I am asking for this is becouse I love the device and I especially LOVE the keybord!
I bought an HTC Advantage, and I think that the keybord sucks on that device!
I'm going to update my qtek9000 to 128M soon I hope it will work well, I will update you after I will do it.
Regards the SDHC, I'm using 16G SDHC and its working just great.
128Mb
Hello,
I have a 128 Mb Uni and it's wonderfull for me, a new Universal, more stability, quick response, no more soft reset, big games launch ...I also use 8 Gb SDHC without problems.
Thats great guys!
Then I will watch out for a new device to buy!
Oh, buy the way, how is watching videos on the device?
Is it lagging (skipping frames) or is it working ok?
I live in Sweden, do you think if I buy that someone else can do the uppgrade for me? I am not good at this!
Also would like to know if it would be possible to uppgrade to 256MB of ram instead of 128MB? (That would really be GREAT!
Thanks in advance!
Read this post
"http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382177"
With all the things we can do with this PPC, coming loaded with 512 MB ROM / 288 MB RAM, and the fact i've got over a GIG of free space on my SD card and no real interest to put movies or music on it.
Can i add that spare memory into windows, maybe give it a few extra megs of RAM.
It would be crazy if something like this were impossible.
Well, technically it wouldn't be RAM but rather SWAP or VRAM (VirtualRAM) as it's called on Windows. Not as good as actual RAM, but good for being able to handle more programs without too much bottlenecking.
No idea how to do it, though I used to do it on an old Linux based phone. Good luck finding an answer, I'd like to have this as an option as well
LOl yes i know, but thank-you for the reminder. It was just easier to say RAM than going into the explanation I'm thinking this shouldn't be a major issue.
Can someone who actually HAS the phone verify this for me?
Over here it says 740
http://www.androidcentral.com/droid-incredible-vs-evo-4g-vs-nexus-one
AC claims to have gotten this info direct from HTC
http://www.androidcentral.com/about-rom-storage-droid-incredible
Verizon website says 512, and a couple others say 512 as well.
So what's going on here?
I can tell you what mine says:
Internal Phone Storage: 6.60 GB
Phone memory: 748 MB
HTH
Same here... my best guess is after the 512mb of RAM and 512mb of ROM this is what's left over for the user?
I have :
Internal Phone Storage: 6.60 GB
Phone memory: 748 MB
I have 748 Total, and 685 of that available.
Even 512 would have been plenty.
Interesting.. I wonder why they wouldn't capitalize on that by at least showing it on the main website or verizon..
http://www.htc.com/us/products/droid-incredible-verizon?view=1-1&sort=0#tech-specs
If it were true, i don't get it. Having 748 over 512 is a huge deal.
When I see 512 I cry a little inside wondering if it's gonna run out of app space
It's possibly a miscalculation or error in the software. Maybe it should be 512 after all, since both the verizon and HTC pages for the phone have no indication of any more than 512MB of ROM..
Also I hear we're not able to install apps to the 8GB onboard, sans root.
What will change with the arrival of Froyo?
Will we be able to send apps to the 8gb as well as the sdcard?
That would put me at ease..
EDIT: God HTC has done a really crappy job with reporting specs on this phone!!
http://shopamerica.htc.com/cell-phones/productdetail.htm?prId=37106
Over here it says the incredible has a 2.5mm headphone jack while on the tech spec page above (still on HTCs website) it says 3.5 (which I know to be true)
This, and the ROM crap is making me consider another phone, as this one appears to have been poorly executed.
I don't think this is a big deal...
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Also I hear we're not able to install apps to the 8GB onboard, sans root.
What will change with the arrival of Froyo?
Will we be able to send apps to the 8gb as well as the sdcard?
That would put me at ease..
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Considering that EVERY android up to this point has not been able to do this without root, it is kind of a mute point. Froyo is supposed to change that, but it hasn't made that much of a deal up until now.
No other Android device that I know of has Internal 8gb storage either, not even the EVO...
I don't mean it as a point against the phone.
Simply noting that theres 8gb memory that COULD be used for app storage.
So i hope with froyo they implement a nice way to send apps to the 8gb memory OR the sdcard. Rather than only the sdcard.
The 8GB onboard is great, and knowing that i can have upto 40GB space available on my phone is pretty wonderful.
I just want to be sure that I can use every bit the way I want.
I had the G1 and root was more of a necessity than "extra benefit".
So I just hope the incredible doesn't need third party intervention to be the phone we all want it to be.
I don't think thats too much asked.
On my g1 I had about 400+ apps, and I KNOW that if I only have the 512 rom for app storage I'll be running out at one point or another..
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If it were true, i don't get it. Having 748 over 512 is a huge deal.
When I see 512 I cry a little inside wondering if it's gonna run out of app space
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Regardless of 512 or 748 I wouldn't worry about running out of app space. I don't know of anyone who has. Even on the smaller droid I didn't know anyone who.did.
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