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Keyboard not optimaly designed?

Guys,
I have been using HTC devices for many years now:
Pison 5MX, HP Jornada 720, HTC Alpin, HTC Trinity, HTC Kaiser and HTC Polaris!
The form factor of the new TP2 is brilliant.
HOWEVER, the keyboard is just not designed very efficiently for me because it is half of the size of the total width. Which means that the rear part is not used for the keyboard.
I would have preferred a FULL keyboard such as the one on the HTC Universal or on the Psion 5MX or Jornada 720!
I don't understand the point of designing a PDA with a built-in keyboard if the keyboard is just too small which makes it even not usuable. The one on the Kaiser was so small.
HTC produced the Universal with a full sized keyboard using the full width of the screen.
Why not on the newest models?
Any ideas?

I've had a few thoughts being a long time mini-keyboard user...
It's true that a bigger keyboard can make things easier, but for typing with your thumbs, too big is also a problem due to limited reach.
Typing with a Psion 5 was not great with two thumbs, and with a phone you want to type on the go, so this is more important than 2 handed typing while at a desk / other solid surface. As most people want to carry their phone with them a Psion 5 sized phone would not be too popular!
Having a full width & height keyboard while keeping the ability to put the keyboard away (for touch screen only use) will usually require a bulky tilt & twist hinge (like on Zaurus C series, Clie UX / NX, or HTC universal), which means the screen has to be smaller / narrower. Quickly sliding out a keyboard to hammer out a text is faster than opening and then twisting a hinge.
The Kaiser keyboard was fantastic in my opinion - I could type very quickly on it, probably not far off my Psion 5 speed (as when you didn't hit the Psion keys in the centre, they did not always work).
Have you any ideas for achieving a bigger keyboard without compromising on the screen size, usability or overall size of the phone?

I don't have a problem with the Keyboard size at all. I think it's just about perfect. My problem is the fact that they made the buttons much bigger and removed 10 keys from the original touch pro. Yeah, It makes it easier for some, but I know I'd rather have the keys. The keyboard still would have had really big buttons.

As a happy Universal owner I understand very well the point of sayborg.
As far as I know the only devices with great keyboards are:
Universal
Advantage
Shift
Toth (New)
But the last 3 options are too big...
I´m in the same interrogant? I want/need to upgrade my 2005 Universal but nothing I can see in the near future as a REAL replacement
TP2 is the closer one I can think
Hope HTC have some secret devices on that form factor, but I doub it

I don't know what to think about the keyboard yet. The buttons feel good, not slippery. The number keys at the top are a pain in the ass because the lip of the top layer is slightly overlapping making it just annoying enough to bug me. On screen keyboard is pretty tight. No complaints there.

DavidMc0 said:
I've had a few thoughts being a long time mini-keyboard user...
It's true that a bigger keyboard can make things easier, but for typing with your thumbs, too big is also a problem due to limited reach.
Typing with a Psion 5 was not great with two thumbs, and with a phone you want to type on the go, so this is more important than 2 handed typing while at a desk / other solid surface. As most people want to carry their phone with them a Psion 5 sized phone would not be too popular!
Having a full width & height keyboard while keeping the ability to put the keyboard away (for touch screen only use) will usually require a bulky tilt & twist hinge (like on Zaurus C series, Clie UX / NX, or HTC universal), which means the screen has to be smaller / narrower. Quickly sliding out a keyboard to hammer out a text is faster than opening and then twisting a hinge.
The Kaiser keyboard was fantastic in my opinion - I could type very quickly on it, probably not far off my Psion 5 speed (as when you didn't hit the Psion keys in the centre, they did not always work).
Have you any ideas for achieving a bigger keyboard without compromising on the screen size, usability or overall size of the phone?
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Thanks for the comments guys!
Well, for me, it would have been nicer to keep the SAME size of the current TP2 but with a wider keyboard, this wouldn't make the device bigger because the rear part/surface of the keyboard is even not used. A wider keyboard wouldn't cost more and wouldn't be heavier.
I thing the problem is that the producers of such devices are usually not consumers. I doubt that poeple who have designed such devices have as much usage experience as us. They sometimes lack of subtilty I think.
I also think that there is no perfect repalcement of the HTC Universal which is sad.
There is also the Acer M900 which has an OK keyboard but it is not tilting and again the keyboard is not designed efficiently/optimally for me but again this is a personal opinion!
For me there is no point to have a 2,8 " PDA whith a build-in keyboard. Keys are just to small...
Maybe one day, we will see the perfect HTC Device...

sayborg said:
Maybe one day, we will see the perfect HTC Device...
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It's true that we aren't there yet, but as far as hardware I think the Rhodium is getting pretty dame close. Huge screen, sturdy construction, physical slideout keyboard, and a large enough screen that the onscreen finger keyboard is very usable. These are many things that I've been waiting for. The only thing that can make the design better is to make it thiner which will take so time in tech advancement.
I still think they shouldn't be losing some of the buttons they had on the titan/tilt style phones (d-pad and soft key hardware buttons). However, I'm probably not giving the usability of the touch interface enough credit.
As long as the software is up to par (hadware acceleration and strong usability) then it's all gravy. This is the device I've been waiting for for a long time. I'm also thinking that once it's been out a year or so The Android roms for it will be pretty advanced and very capable. Overall, this has a TON of potential and I think it will be the first phone I don't constantly look forward to the next version on.

I just hope against hope that they have enabled hardware acceleration on this phone. If we have another non-implemented 2D/3D driver while relying on CPU power for rendering gsnarfle... I'd be most unhappy.
That's one of the big reasons I'm looking to move away from my Mogul... while it's a decent phone, they seem to have shot it in the leg and then told it to go run a marathon.
It may be my ignorance to the matter, but I hope that all the touchflo3D phones have full hardware acceleration support!

sayborg said:
Thanks for the comments guys!
Well, for me, it would have been nicer to keep the SAME size of the current TP2 but with a wider keyboard, this wouldn't make the device bigger because the rear part/surface of the keyboard is even not used. A wider keyboard wouldn't cost more and wouldn't be heavier.
I thing the problem is that the producers of such devices are usually not consumers. I doubt that poeple who have designed such devices have as much usage experience as us. They sometimes lack of subtilty I think.
I also think that there is no perfect repalcement of the HTC Universal which is sad.
There is also the Acer M900 which has an OK keyboard but it is not tilting and again the keyboard is not designed efficiently/optimally for me but again this is a personal opinion!
For me there is no point to have a 2,8 " PDA whith a build-in keyboard. Keys are just to small...
Maybe one day, we will see the perfect HTC Device...
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well honestly I think I think if they used the whole width it would take up to much space be harder to reach the keys on the ends of the keyboard with your thumbs., and also the kaiser keyboard is not bad, it is very easy to type on for me and I can type fast, adn honestly I think they are making hte keyboards smaller cause its easier to use them on the go,
but look at a pic of the touch pro 2 keyaboard they did make it use mroe space, so they know what you mean it does make typing easier, but for phones with HUGE keyboards.. well most people dont want a phone that big but honestly they used almost all of the space on the touch pro 2 for the keyboard

The only thing that worries me is the lack of the windows key and the ok button. Those two will be missed greatly. Otherwise, I think the keyboard will be a huge improvement over my Mogul's.

sayborg said:
I also think that there is no perfect repalcement of the HTC Universal which is sad.
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Eh sorry. While i havent used any touch device yet, i looked at the Universal, and one word jumped out at me.. Bulky. That thing just looks to big and clunky to be of any fluid use.
I was actually happy when i saw a pitcure of the TP2 keyboard. They keys look like a good size, and the bit of space between them i was happy to see because i toyed with the fuze/tilt and i fat-fingered with that keyboard enough to annoy me.
As far as removing keys... as Ranch Wilder would say..."Less is more". Just because a device as more keys/buttons doesn't mean its better. Take the Logitech G11 keyboard. They dumped a bunch of Macro keys on it, most of which never got used, and only made the keyboard take up more space. Their next version of the G15, the removed alot of the G keys (macro keys) to cut the size down, but there's still plenty to be useful.
I think its more a matter of people being use to so many keys, however i think the touch interface will more than make up for it. Plus i guess that puts me at and advantage where this will be my first phone with a keyboard.

If you feel the keys are too small, tell this to the Blackberry users.

I think the keyboard was stretched pretty close to the edges, I think its fine. the universal has a different target audience than the touch pro 2 if you want the PERFECT universal replacement I suggest this phone:
http://www.htc.com/www/product/shift/specification.html
but I never used or saw a universal so im not sure, but the shift is a really nice phone with a big keyboard and it has ALOT of speed, but it costs alot more than most phones and is wont fit in your pocket either but it seems like the perfect replacement plus it runs windows vista! a real os not a mobile one
and it has a finger print scanner built in whats not to like about that.

CAPS & Function Keys
I cannot imagine why the CAPS(shift) and Function keys are not reversed! Didn't the designers look at a computer keyboard?
So my question is - can the key functions be changed in the software and can the keycaps be popped off and switched?

orb3000 said:
Hope HTC have some secret devices on that form factor, but I doub it
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Alas, I have been wishing this for years...
when the original Universal came out, as a college student, I didn't have the means for a Universal...
All I can do now is hope...

Rhodium or Hero

Tell me guys.
Went from a tytn2 to a Raphael...
Should I go for the Hero or TP2 ?

Never used a Hero.
The TP2 from T-Mobile is hands-down the best WM-based device I've ever had my paws on. You can pry it from my cold, dead fingers.....

Macedon2000 said:
Should I go for the Hero or TP2 ?
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Do you want a Windows Mobile phone with a brilliant physical keyboard and lots of neat business features that also does a reasonable job of multimedia, or do you want an Android-powered, multimedia-oriented device with a capacitive touchscreen that supports multi-touch, and which also does a reasonable job of business-oriented stuff? The two are really very different. It would make more sense to be having trouble deciding between a Hero an iPhone - they're much more similar in philosophy (IMO).

i dint really get the difference between the two types of screens...capacitive and resistive.
I played a bit with an iPhone 3GS today and it felt really good...i like the iPhone because everything just works... but I got bored after 3min of playing with it.
just the thought of not being able to flash new roms etc. makes me puke.
I like my RAPH but i would like a bigger screen, better(faster/smoother) handling of multimedia(pics/music/video) like iPod on iPhone, sort of.
so its down to winmo or android.

I was also thinking weather to go for hero or the touch pro2 but the touch pro2 has an amazing keyboard and watching movies on it look pretty impressive and i dont mind it not using a 3.5 mm jack as i use a stereo bluetooth headset. So i went for the touch pro2 and WOW im glad i did, im writing this from my touch pro 2 now.
It also has a reasonably good stock rom, the stock rom on my wizard was hopeless and if it wasnt for xda-developers i would never of had it for so long.

TP2 definetly, because the hardware keyboard that for me is a must!

The telephone conferencing and voice features are really good. Easy to setup and to use. Sound is good too. Credit to HTC for adding features that are fundamental to a what a good business phone should have.

I really don't like the way the Hero looks. Just for that I would go with the TP2.

Macedon2000 said:
i dint really get the difference between the two types of screens...capacitive and resistive.
I played a bit with an iPhone 3GS today and it felt really good...i like the iPhone because everything just works... but I got bored after 3min of playing with it.
just the thought of not being able to flash new roms etc. makes me puke.
I like my RAPH but i would like a bigger screen, better(faster/smoother) handling of multimedia(pics/music/video) like iPod on iPhone, sort of.
so its down to winmo or android.
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capacitive screens are designed for finger-friendly touches. when you touch the screen with your finger, the press generates an electric stimulus that the phone reads as a press. capacitive screens can't use normal styli, so there is a loss in accuracy
resistive screens are designed for accuracy, due to the use of styli

I got the Tmobile Touch Pro2 and I am very happy with it - awesome screen size and acceptable thickness for a fullsize keyboard. hulu.com on skyfire for this screensize totally rocks. I have heard that the flash browser of Hero is slow, but then again - it hasn't been XDA-fied yet (not that I know of, anyway).
But I am in the same boat as you - want the Hero too!!!
Good news is that I have a work ATT phone that will be up for renewal in October, hopefully when the Hero comes in!
Can't really help you with your choice except say - go to the Tmobile store and see the TMobile touch pro2 in person.
And don't count out the diamond2 either.
It truly is a great time to have HTC shares....hmmm maybe I should be looking into that! lol!

poppinpengawen said:
capacitive screens are designed for finger-friendly touches. when you touch the screen with your finger, the press generates an electric stimulus that the phone reads as a press. capacitive screens can't use normal styli, so there is a loss in accuracy
resistive screens are designed for accuracy, due to the use of styli
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Resistive screens need to be pressed quite hard, while capacitive ones only need to be touched lightly. Capacitive screens tend to be more responsive, so they will probably track your finger better when scrolling, and there's less likely to be any ambiguity about whether you've pressed something or not. But the most significant difference (aside from the fact that you can't use a stylus with a capacitive screen) is that a capacitive screen, given appropiate OS support, can support multi-touch - that is, it can detect being pressed in more than one place at once.
So, on the Hero and iPhone if you're running (say) Google Earth, you can rotate the map by putting your thumb and forefinger on the screen and twisting your hand. You can also zoom in and out by putting thumb and forefinger either side of a section of the screen, then moving them together or apart. This is much more convenient and intuitive than the TP2's zoom bar.

Macedon2000 said:
I played a bit with an iPhone 3GS today and it felt really good...i like the iPhone because everything just works... but I got bored after 3min of playing with it.
just the thought of not being able to flash new roms etc. makes me puke.
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A jail-broken iPhone is actually pretty flexible.
I almost bought an iPhone rather than a TP2. It was really only the cost that put me off in the end. (Not the absolute cost, but it's too expensive for what it is). The user-interface design on an iPhone really is beautiful - it's not just that everything works, it's that everything works intuitively and quickly and neatly. The lack of a physical keyboard was also a problem for me (as I'm rather clumsy and have short, fat fingers) but the on-screen keyboard on an iPhone is the best I've seen; and the lower resolution of the screen (on iPhone or Hero) niggles a bit - for mobile web-browsing the extra screen res on a TP2 or Diamond2 really makes a difference for reading small text.
The call quality is also very good on a TP2 - I need phones to be clear and loud as I'm partially deaf. People hear you very clearly on the TP2 as well, thanks to the high-quality soise-cancelling microphones.

HTC One X Hands On

Just gotten my One X today after work. Here is the brief hands on I have before the battery died on me
Build Quality
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Very solid and it does give me the premium feel previous HTC. One thing that I still not used to it is how light it was compared to my Desire HD, it is very light.
The matte surface on the back really gives a very nice feel to touch on it. For me, it is even better than the feel of the rubbery Desire. I'm glad that the gloss surface at the side of the phone looks way better to what we seen in the web.
The screen is simply AMAZING. I don't really know how to describe it but it is just amazing. The color really pops up and the view angle is superb. The images seem like floating on top of the screen. I think this is due to the effect of optical lamination. When I'm looking back on the DHD, it looks like a crap. LOL
Again, there is no Beats Audio earphone bundled in my region. TBH, I don't really mind about that as I prefer to use a bluetooth earphone solution. The earphone bundled is the same as seen in previous unboxing videos
I didn't tested the thoroughly but I transferred a song and play with the music player. At least the sound quality is way better than my current Desire HD. I'm not really a hardcore music listener but I can hear there is some bass from the speaker. Haven't test the ringing tone thou.
Sense 4.0
As mentioned before, Sense 4 is very lite on this incarnation. It is very snappy and fast. As I navigate and pane around the settings, it is very smooth and it doesn't lag at all. Maybe I still haven't fully loaded it, and it might not be as buttery smooth as WP7 or iOS, but it does better than the previous version
I noticed that in the confirmation pop up box, in DHD, it will place the "OK" button on the right and "CANCEL" button on the left. This is different in Sense 4. Almost in all confirmation pop up box, the "OK" is on the left while "CANCEL" is on the right. Take some time to get used to it
I downloaded Whatsapp purposely just to confirm how is the legacy menu button gonna looks like. As shown in the above image, it will look as this way. Well, not too bad thou as compared to the first few screenshot we saw previously
The keyboard is better compared to Sense 3.5. The typing experience is better compared to the one I have in DHD. The 0.4" really makes some impact on the typing experience
I dig through the setting and under "Development" section, there is a lot of settings available for the user to play with especially with the graphics and animations. I haven't really have the time to play with it. I attach the screenshot for your reference.
Camera
Not really having a good picture taking skills, I just snap 2 pics I found in my room for your reference. It has been shot with sharpness -2 as I feel that the default setting is applying too much of sharpness.
I haven't test the USB OTG Host function and lots of things I still haven't play with it. If you have any questions just let me know I will do my best to answer as I'm really tired now (its 2am here) plus tomorrow I will be damn busy. So I apologize if there are things that I can't reply immediately but I will do my best to answer you guys

How's the web browsing experience ? Tegra 2 offers pretty smooth web browsing for me! I guess it's the same for Tegra 3
How's the sound quality with headphone attached and loudness of the speaker ?
Is the reception of the phone good! Some guys in this box said that the reception is a little bit weak compares to previous models
More importantly, what about the battery life ?
I'm very excited to see this phone in action, my region offers the beat solo headphones out of the box

Hi,
audio in call? signal strenght?
Thanks

thanks for your all posts
these photos would freak me out but your all taking them indoor with very dull lighting
I do better with my DHD indoors is the auto enhance option still there? i suggest you disable it too

can you take picture of the box
Can you please take picture of the specs on the box about 3g band

silversun92 said:
How's the web browsing experience ? Tegra 2 offers pretty smooth web browsing for me! I guess it's the same for Tegra 3
How's the sound quality with headphone attached and loudness of the speaker ?
Is the reception of the phone good! Some guys in this box said that the reception is a little bit weak compares to previous models
More importantly, what about the battery life ?
I'm very excited to see this phone in action, my region offers the beat solo headphones out of the box
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Bro, too early to tell about battery life. Still charging the phone. The experience that I have with surfing the net is very smooth, it loads faster compared to my DHD which connected to the same router on the same website.
Reception is depending on your coverage area. I just talk on the phone for less than 2 minutes. So far the call is clear
acer73 said:
Hi,
audio in call? signal strenght?
Thanks
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I only spoken on the phone for 2 minutes. The call is clear and in fact i believe the default in call volume is not set to the max. No issue so far
hamdir said:
thanks for your all posts
these photos would freak me out but your all taking them indoor with very dull lighting
I do better with my DHD indoors is the auto enhance option still there? i suggest you disable it too
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LOL..as i said i'm not a pro pic taker..just snap wat i have. I can't even test the flash as my battery is way too low

First post updated with screenshot and pics

rooster_yang said:
Can you please take picture of the specs on the box about 3g band
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Hi there, my box don't hv any indication of the 3g band. sorry about that

nice initial review, i like it.

Question: Does car mode let you launch and switch to apps, or does it restrict you to only the standard car mode functions? Reason I ask is that I understand the windshield mount automatically puts the phone in car mode, but I don't want to use the stock Google Maps-based navigation. I want to use my own offline mapping software...

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Question: Does car mode let you launch and switch to apps, or does it restrict you to only the standard car mode functions? Reason I ask is that I understand the windshield mount automatically puts the phone in car mode, but I don't want to use the stock Google Maps-based navigation. I want to use my own offline mapping software...
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Hvn't test that out, but will definitely do so when i hv the time tml, cos i oso prefer to use my own offline mapping

Could you please take a picture of One X and Desire HD side by side? Just to see the size diference.

myself11 said:
Could you please take a picture of One X and Desire HD side by side? Just to see the size diference.
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+1, interested in this aswell

myself11 said:
Could you please take a picture of One X and Desire HD side by side? Just to see the size diference.
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Pointlol said:
+1, interested in this aswell
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Will do so by tomolo..packing my stuff now preparing for sleep..i will get you guys on the comparison of the screen brightness as well

As promised, some of you requested for the comparison pic between HOX and DHD. Some of you worried about the camera bump. Don't worry about it, it is not as protruding as you seen in the web. The first pic might be able to show you about it. If you are coming from 4.3" then you don't have to worry about it, the slimness and the curve screen on the side will give you a very pleasant feeling while operating the phone
Comparison of the screen brightness between HOX & DHD. Haven't have the chance to test outdoor yet, that's why I put both the phone at the window (is quite cloudy here, so you might not be able to see the difference clearly). On the right both are set to auto brightness while on the left both of set to maximum brightness

any bad stuff?

@knoxploration,
your requested regarding the car mode. I took some screenshot for the "Home" screen, call screen and navigation setting screen. As you can see, there is an option for you to choose the default navigation software. Currently I don't have any other navi software installed yet besides the pre-installed HTC navi and google maps. I will try to install some other offline navi maps and report back. Btw, any bro here if have a good suggestion of navi apps for the hd sreen of our HOX, please do PM me, really need it very much. Not sure those installed in my DHD can be used or not.

thanks for the DHD pics mate, i'm surprised its actually a bit narrower

@xmoo,
what bad stuff you are referring? can be more specific? So far the handling experience is very great and smooth. I can't comment on battery thou as it needs few cycles to reach it max capacity.
ps : Some of my frens and my sister & bro who saw it and asked me "Why is this Iphone so big and so much more pretty than Iphone 4s"..my reply is please compare and insult my HOX with the iphone...haha

hamdir said:
thanks for the DHD pics mate, i'm surprised its actually a bit narrower
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Definitely - according to the specs, the One X should be 2mm wider I think, but if I look at those pics, it looks as if the One X is clearly not as wide as the DHD. That would be awesome. 4.7" screen and only a little bit longer? Very nice
@william
Could you confirm that the DHD is actually wider than the One X?

[Q] Questions from a Samsung user who is contemplating buying a One X

I currently have a SGS2 and I'm seriously contemplating buying a One X, mostly because SGS3 was a huge disappointment for me. I have a few questions though. I hope you can help with at least some of them.
1) How does it really feel in the hand? Does it feel like plastic, or more like rubber? The plastic is one of the things I hate most on Samsung phones.
2) There is no wake up delay, right? On Samsung phones, after you touch the power button, you wait for around 1 second before the phone wakes up. How is it on HTC One X?
3) Is the power button easy to press? One thing I like about Samsungs is that the power button is easy to reach on the side. HTC puts them on the top. On a huge phone like this, how easy is the power button to press, especially when you're using it one handedly?
4) Does the phone react instantly when you press the capacitive buttons? Again, one thing I hate about Samsung is the hard home key, which also has a delay. There's no delay when you press home button on One X, right?
5) How good is sound with a really good pair of headphones?
6) How much space is really left from the sdcard to use? Some people say 25 GB, some say 26 GB, exactly how much is it? This is my only worry, since I have 17gigs of mp3s and I want to carry it all with me.
7) The lock screen can be removed completely, right? I hate all lockscreens, they are utterly useless. Nobody buttdials anybody, especially not me. I love the no lockscreen feature on ICS, I hope HTC kept it on Sense 4. I really don't want any lock screen at all.
8) Long press volume to skip songs feature is a must for me. I see that custom roms already have it, so just to be sure, it works, right? This is absolutely critical for me, since I listen to music without taking the phone off my pocket.
9) Can the crappy horizontal multitasking thing on Sense 4 be replaced with standard ICS recent apps screen? With sense, you need to swipe a lot to get to an app, while on stock ICS it's a lot easier. So far I haven't seen any mods that do this, but maybe I'm missing something.

1) How does it really feel in the hand? Does it feel like plastic, or more like rubber? The plastic is one of the things I hate most on Samsung phones.
it feels very strong/robust/a good feel to it,hard to describe as such
2) There is no wake up delay, right? On Samsung phones, after you touch the power button, you wait for around 1 second before the phone wakes up. How is it on HTC One X?
mine is very depndant if i leave it for a while it is like all other handsets its take -1 sec but if i use it then press button and 3-10 secs later it comes on instantly
3) Is the power button easy to press? One thing I like about Samsungs is that the power button is easy to reach on the side. HTC puts them on the top. On a huge phone like this, how easy is the power button to press, especially when you're using it one handedly?
i had a nexus s before this and the power button is easier on the samsung phones because of the side 1, sometimes i find it a ball ache from the samsung i had prior to this.
4) Does the phone react instantly when you press the capacitive buttons? Again, one thing I hate about Samsung is the hard home key, which also has a delay. There's no delay when you press home button on One X, right?
yes.perfectly.
5) How good is sound with a really good pair of headphones?
you dont need a good pair just the standards will do, you can activate beats enhancement via audio player,
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6) How much space is really left from the sdcard to use? Some people say 25 GB, some say 26 GB, exactly how much is it? This is my only worry, since I have 17gigs of mp3s and I want to carry it all with me.
its user dependent, what apps you have and so forth ovb the locked handsets with networks will have slightly less due to there crap that goes on them, but generally 25-26 is a base level,
7) The lock screen can be removed completely, right? I hate all lockscreens, they are utterly useless. Nobody buttdials anybody, especially not me. I love the no lockscreen feature on ICS, I hope HTC kept it on Sense 4. I really don't want any lock screen at all.
yes that is correct.
8) Long press volume to skip songs feature is a must for me. I see that custom roms already have it, so just to be sure, it works, right? This is absolutely critical for me, since I listen to music without taking the phone off my pocket.
no comment, mine doesnt, i and i have leedroidv5 rom.
9) Can the crappy horizontal multitasking thing on Sense 4 be replaced with standard ICS recent apps screen? With sense, you need to swipe a lot to get to an app, while on stock ICS it's a lot easier. So far I haven't seen any mods that do this, but maybe I'm missing something.
on the htc with the new multitasking it is far easier and more free flowing than stock ics tasker,
dont be put of by it, it is soo much more easier to do multitasking bettter then ever.
hope this helps dude,
i have had mine since launch now and its flawless, great battery life 22hours plus, very speedy,just awesome, glad i have this over sgs3 tbh. hope this helps anything frther let me know,

1) How does it really feel in the hand? Does it feel like plastic, or more like rubber? The plastic is one of the things I hate most on Samsung phones.
It feels solid, to me it feels better than the S2 (I never really liked the S2).
2) There is no wake up delay, right? On Samsung phones, after you touch the power button, you wait for around 1 second before the phone wakes up. How is it on HTC One X?
I think there is a short delay while the core's ramp up cos when you're not using it, the phone switches to the companion core for really really low standby power consumption. Nothing more than 1 second though.
3) Is the power button easy to press? One thing I like about Samsungs is that the power button is easy to reach on the side. HTC puts them on the top. On a huge phone like this, how easy is the power button to press, especially when you're using it one handedly?
It's easy to press if you have largish hands, cos the power button is angled slightly forward, and not 90 degrees downwards from the top.
4) Does the phone react instantly when you press the capacitive buttons? Again, one thing I hate about Samsung is the hard home key, which also has a delay. There's no delay when you press home button on One X, right?
Yes very much so.
5) How good is sound with a really good pair of headphones?
Sound is decent, but I haven't tried my senn's on the HOX yet, too bulky to carry around >.<
6) How much space is really left from the sdcard to use? Some people say 25 GB, some say 26 GB, exactly how much is it? This is my only worry, since I have 17gigs of mp3s and I want to carry it all with me.
On default about 26-27 GB of free space, I guess depending on what crap your carrier installed on your phone.
7) The lock screen can be removed completely, right? I hate all lockscreens, they are utterly useless. Nobody buttdials anybody, especially not me. I love the no lockscreen feature on ICS, I hope HTC kept it on Sense 4. I really don't want any lock screen at all.
I like my lockscreens, so I haven't really tried removing it
8) Long press volume to skip songs feature is a must for me. I see that custom roms already have it, so just to be sure, it works, right? This is absolutely critical for me, since I listen to music without taking the phone off my pocket.
Never tried, but I think this can be set. Although if this does work, it may be cos I'm on LeeDroid and not stock.
9) Can the crappy horizontal multitasking thing on Sense 4 be replaced with standard ICS recent apps screen? With sense, you need to swipe a lot to get to an app, while on stock ICS it's a lot easier. So far I haven't seen any mods that do this, but maybe I'm missing something.
I'm not sure about this, cos I don't open too many apps at once and when I do, I just automatically close them one by one. Kind of a habit Also, I prefer the Sense recent apps rather than the ICS default one. Both needs scrolling so it's up to your preference.

aydc said:
1) How does it really feel in the hand? Does it feel like plastic, or more like rubber? The plastic is one of the things I hate most on Samsung phones.
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It feels solid; it's a single piece of material after all. There's no bend or flex. It does feel a little slippery because of the fineness of the matte finish. I'm using it in the case pictured below which adds very little weight, protects the back and camera, and improves grip.
There is no wake up delay, right? On Samsung phones, after you touch the power button, you wait for around 1 second before the phone wakes up. How is it on HTC One X?
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That was mostly due to Samsung's using the hard button for multiple purposes and it waiting to see if you were short or long pressing. I find zero lag and the productivity lock screen is fantastic. In addition to the standard four items you preset, you can drag a meeting, mms, missed call, or e-mail in to the unlock ring and go directly to it. You can also swipe through multiples without having to unlock the phone. Simply brilliant.
Is the power button easy to press? One thing I like about Samsungs is that the power button is easy to reach on the side. HTC puts them on the top. On a huge phone like this, how easy is the power button to press, especially when you're using it one handedly?
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I came from a i9100 and it took over a week for me to stop hitting the volume rocker on the side when I wanted to turn on the phone. How much you can do one handed depends on the size of your hands. With the phone in my left hand I can reach the power button with my index finger. I'd say I can do about 70% of what I did on the SGS2 with one hand. It's a big phone though. But I can't see any phone this big being any harder or easier to use one handed.
Does the phone react instantly when you press the capacitive buttons?
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Yes. The only lag I've experienced is on the secondary weather animation. Sense is incredibly fluid as is moving between showing thumbnails of all seven screens and the home screen by toggling the home button. That stuttered on the SGS2.
How good is sound with a really good pair of headphones?
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I have Shure SE530's and find the sound (w/Beats off) to be brighter and better separated than on my SGS2. But that phone's not really a pinnacle to compare to. The SGS3 has a Wolfson DAC which will w/o question be better. BT streaming (A2DP) is significantly better than the SGS2.
How much space is really left from the sdcard to use? Some people say 25 GB, some say 26 GB, exactly how much is it?
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Mine's 25.85GB.
The lock screen can be removed completely, right?
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I don't think so. It can be set as wallpaper w/o a password so you either drag one of four apps to launch them directly or just move the lock ring away to unlock it. It's very fast. If you're going to root I'm sure a ROM or tweak might be available. The productivity lock screen (w/o a password) may change your mind though.
Long press volume to skip songs feature is a must for me.
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No joy. The music player displays almost full size on the lock screen (that you don't want) so hitting the soft button shouldn't be that challenging.
Can the crappy horizontal multitasking thing on Sense 4 be replaced with standard ICS recent apps screen?
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I originally thought the same thing. There's some method to HTC's madness though. By showing recent apps nearly full size you can actually read them. If I've looked up a phone number or address I can toggle back and forth between navigation and the browser and actually see the info w/o having to open the background app. It really makes toggling for info easy and saves a lot of time.
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I'm moving from Galaxy Note GT-N7000 to HTC One X..
1. More interesting user interface..
2. More user friendly..
3. No ugly battery and signal bar on ICS 4.0.3
4. Higher capability to pull coverage signal in WCDMA even the area less coverage..
5. Love HTC Sense effect..
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My suggestion is to buy it and you will love it.
It will fits well for all your needs. And you can customize it to an high level.
It is far better than SIII.

I used to have the SG2 and the Note, but was especially disappointed by the poor build quality of these phones.
The chrome of the SG2 speaker peeled off after a couple of months, and there were many small dents.
The Note was slightly better, but is also easily dented/scratched/dented.
Also, Samsung customer service sucks. Unless it is covered under warranty (but be sure that they don't claim it is user damage), it will be very expensive to fix it.

From another former Samsung user:
1) How does it really feel in the hand? Does it feel like plastic, or more like rubber? The plastic is one of the things I hate most on Samsung phones.
It feels far better than any Samsung. I didn't really complain about the Samsung designs that much, because they never felt like they weren't solid enough for me, but the One X feels much better. There IS something to be said about a design without a removable back.
2) There is no wake up delay, right? On Samsung phones, after you touch the power button, you wait for around 1 second before the phone wakes up. How is it on HTC One X?
It's fairly common to have a very slight delay. I don't have any issues with delay though.
3) Is the power button easy to press? One thing I like about Samsungs is that the power button is easy to reach on the side. HTC puts them on the top. On a huge phone like this, how easy is the power button to press, especially when you're using it one handedly?
Uhh... I don't really know the right answer to this. I think I kind of like the power button being on the side a little more, but I have no issue with it's location on the One X. I typically only have to press it once when I'm using it, so it's not like I have to frequently reach to the top to press it while I'm using my phone. I'd say it's very much a non-issue to me.
4) Does the phone react instantly when you press the capacitive buttons? Again, one thing I hate about Samsung is the hard home key, which also has a delay. There's no delay when you press home button on One X, right?
Yep, capacitive response is very good. The Tegra 3 uses it's companion core as a touch screen controller which allows it to have very smooth reactions to your touch.
5) How good is sound with a really good pair of headphones?
Sound is decent. Beats is mostly garbage. My previous Samsung's blow the One X away in sound quality with the Wolfson DAC and Voodoo Sound. But then again, not much compares to those. This is really hard to answer though, because it all depends on what you want to hear. Beats is bass heavy, and this phone definitely has that if that's what you want. It doesn't have the pure quality as my SGS or Infuse though. Compared to your SGS2 though, it's probably at least on par, if not better.
6) How much space is really left from the sdcard to use? Some people say 25 GB, some say 26 GB, exactly how much is it? This is my only worry, since I have 17gigs of mp3s and I want to carry it all with me.
Roughly 26 GB.
7) The lock screen can be removed completely, right? I hate all lockscreens, they are utterly useless. Nobody buttdials anybody, especially not me. I love the no lockscreen feature on ICS, I hope HTC kept it on Sense 4. I really don't want any lock screen at all.
I'm pretty sure there are a few apps that can change/disable your lockscreen, but I use mine with an actual lock, so I don't really use them. Of course, if you use a custom ROM, this is not even a question.
8) Long press volume to skip songs feature is a must for me. I see that custom roms already have it, so just to be sure, it works, right? This is absolutely critical for me, since I listen to music without taking the phone off my pocket.
Not sure. If it did do it, I'd make sure to disable it. I can't stand that.
9) Can the crappy horizontal multitasking thing on Sense 4 be replaced with standard ICS recent apps screen? With sense, you need to swipe a lot to get to an app, while on stock ICS it's a lot easier. So far I haven't seen any mods that do this, but maybe I'm missing something.[/QUOTE]
Multitasking on the One X is just fine for me. I have no issue with their design over the stock ICS design. If you want stock ICS, you can flash a stock ICS ROM.

Gamepad Mod for Moto Z phones!

Get the Gamepad at Indiegogo by searching for the "Sidepad Mod"
We've just launched our Indiegogo and hit over $1,000 in support! And we're just getting started! We want to bring you the ultimate Moto Mod gamepad! We really want to help create an awesome gaming phone. We're really excited about modular phones and what they are capable of. A mod transforms a super powerful smartphone with swappable extensions that suit the user better. We want to transform our phone into a super-dope portable gaming console! And we want to give game makers a reason to make more console level games in the Google Play Store.
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This is kind of cool but I'd rather have the buttons on one side (NES style). Also, how are you guys planning to manufacture these? What is the 15k for? Not too clear in the video, just sounds like you want to get Lenovo's attention (not necessarily a bad thing but still).

What our campaign pays for!
Hey thesm4rt1!
Good question! The $15k is to go towards the first run of mods. We already have a manufacturing partner in place as part of the Mods Partner Program, we're just working out the final deal. We won the Hackathon in NYC and we also won the opportunity to do this indiegogo campaign with the help of Motorola/Lenovo. We want to sell as many gamepads here to show Lenovo that this is a product worth collaborating on. We're also updating the design of the gamepad as we go based on supporter payback. We have a secret perk here in the forum for $10 off the super early bird Sidepad Mod Plus! Grab yourself one and let's make this gamepad a reality!
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This is kind of cool but I'd rather have the buttons on one side (NES style). Also, how are you guys planning to manufacture these? What is the 15k for? Not too clear in the video, just sounds like you want to get Lenovo's attention (not necessarily a bad thing but still).
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To confirm, this is a separate project from the gamepad mod that Lenovo/Motorola just announced a MWC 2017. Correct?
http://www.androidauthority.com/moto...-alexa-752769/
http://www.stuff.co.za/motorola-part...ises-new-mods/
http://www.stuff.co.za/wp-content/up...amePad-Mod.jpg
As a previous owner of an Sony Ericsson Xperia Play, I find this rather intriguing. It appears that you are attempting to make the controls slide out from the sides. How will everything fit when the controls are slid in? Also could there be an issue of the controls sliding in while gaming? Is there anything to will lock them in place while in use? Lastly, will there be L3/R3 or Select/Start buttons? I do not see those listed in the images.

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Get the Gamepad at Indiegogo by searching for the "Sidepad Mod"
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Glad you posted about this so I could make some comments. I'm not sure the media buttons are very useful. For example, a gamepad is mostly used... for gaming. I can't see a reason for someone to snap on this gamepad for the only purpse to listen to some music or play a video. I think it is an extra cost, that has little benefit in real world applications.
Secondly, I'm not a fan of the whole sliding mechanism thing. I get it, to make it more compact. But the more moving parts you introduce, the more ways for this thing to break. I also can't foresee a person leaving the gamepad on their phone while not gaming with it. It is a nice idea, but looking at those renders, this thing is going to be pretty bulky folded in on itself. Probably most people would snap it on, play some games, then remove it to reduce the bulk of their phone.
Thirdly, will this thing have any speakers like the official moto z gamepad they teased at MWC? I don't know where they would be located, but supposedly it will have 4 speakers built in. One thing I did notice though, was they are apparently not front-facing(at least it didn't seem to be from that render they showed). If you are going to include some speakers like that one, that would be my #1 request. having them front facing, dual stereo speakers.

The Sidepad is the FIRST gamepad concept for Moto Mods
We are working on a new design that uses magnetic pins so the wiring inside of the sliding parts does not move. The game pad Motorola announced is not ours, despite the similar design. We created ours at the Motorola Mod The Future hackathon back in December of 2016. See that article here: https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/16/moto-mod-2/
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To confirm, this is a separate project from the gamepad mod that Lenovo/Motorola just announced a MWC 2017. Correct?
http://www.androidauthority.com/moto...-alexa-752769/
http://www.stuff.co.za/motorola-part...ises-new-mods/
http://www.stuff.co.za/wp-content/up...amePad-Mod.jpg
As a previous owner of an Sony Ericsson Xperia Play, I find this rather intriguing. It appears that you are attempting to make the controls slide out from the sides. How will everything fit when the controls are slid in? Also could there be an issue of the controls sliding in while gaming? Is there anything to will lock them in place while in use? Lastly, will there be L3/R3 or Select/Start buttons? I do not see those listed in the images.
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The Sidepad is the FIRST gamepad concept for Moto Mods
Thank you for your comment. The short answer is, we are taking notes from our backers and will do everything to make this the best gamepad for gamers, (think Alienware but for mobile gaming) this is a new product and a new company. We would love to make multiple version of the Sidepad given the chance.
Now for the long answer
We have not yet put any work into the design for adding speakers, however, it is an interesting thought.... we will consider it. We are solving the size and durability issues by using magnetic pins. Similar to the Nintendo switch, except when our side pad snaps into place, the magnetic pins create the connections directly to the phone so there will be no need for any wireless protocols. The parts will also be cheap to replace just in case one is lost. The side pads will then slide in and magnetically snap into place on the back of the phone. Our new, coming soon, the design will also reduce the bulk of the gamepad.
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Glad you posted about this so I could make some comments. I'm not sure the media buttons are very useful. For example, a gamepad is mostly used... for gaming. I can't see a reason for someone to snap on this gamepad for the only purpse to listen to some music or play a video. I think it is an extra cost, that has little benefit in real world applications.
Secondly, I'm not a fan of the whole sliding mechanism thing. I get it, to make it more compact. But the more moving parts you introduce, the more ways for this thing to break. I also can't foresee a person leaving the gamepad on their phone while not gaming with it. It is a nice idea, but looking at those renders, this thing is going to be pretty bulky folded in on itself. Probably most people would snap it on, play some games, then remove it to reduce the bulk of their phone.
Thirdly, will this thing have any speakers like the official moto z gamepad they teased at MWC? I don't know where they would be located, but supposedly it will have 4 speakers built in. One thing I did notice though, was they are apparently not front-facing(at least it didn't seem to be from that render they showed). If you are going to include some speakers like that one, that would be my #1 request. having them front facing, dual stereo speakers.
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We are working on a new design that uses magnetic pins so the wiring inside of the sliding parts does not move. The game pad Motorola announced is not ours, despite the similar design. We created ours at the Motorola Mod The Future hackathon back in December of 2016. See that article here: https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/16/moto-mod-2/
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Thanks for the response. Considering I just recently upgraded to a Sony Xperia X Compact, I probably won't be getting a Moto Z anytime soon. However, having this available for it would make it far more tempting.
Even if I don't buy it in the Indiegogo campaign, as someone who has wanted a full and proper replacement to the Xperia Play, I can tell you that there are certain things that I would look for:
1. Full console-level button layout support: Directional pad, 4 face buttons, 4 shoulder buttons, 2 analog clickable joysticks (or sliding analog pads with L3/R3 buttons close to them), and Select and Start buttons. This should assure that any emulator (except maybe N64) or PS2 port should be fully represented without needing specific touch screen controls.
2. Directional pad should be responsive and detect 8-directions with ease. D-pads that are mushy or sit too high often have trouble detecting diagonal directions and prove ineffective for fighting games. The Xperia Play had the best D-pad I've ever seen for a phone and even beat the one used on the PSP. Nobody has replicated that level of quality in another phone controller yet.
3. Shoulder buttons should be comfortable to use and easy to reach. Having them on the back may be rather awkward to use. I hope you playtest those well for comfort.
4. Focus should be made for the gaming controls over media buttons. The media buttons sticking out of the bottom look like they would be more in the way. I would prefer that the gamepad be as compact as possible and avoid anything that unnecessarily sticks out of the main unit.
5. I wouldn't worry about any other features except for maybe the extra battery as gaming does sap away power pretty quickly. It sounds like you're already planning to make the battery removable to reduce bulk, so I think this is a really good idea. Giving the user the ability to choose between portability and longevity is a good one.
These are the kinds of things that I would find important. To date, there still hasn't been a decent replacement for what the Xperia Play offered in terms of compact gaming. But it was also far from perfect. Your project sounds very promising as a potential replacement and I hope it does well. Even though I have no ability to use it yet, I will consider contributing to it if it develops in a direction that I like. Thank you.

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5. I wouldn't worry about any other features except for maybe the extra battery as gaming does sap away power pretty quickly.
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I agree with everything except this. Why make the ultimate game pad, but then hamstring it with a lame, mono speaker that the moto z comes with? At the very least I'd substitute the media controls for an audio out jack for headphones. But even then, the supposed quad speaker setup with the 'official' moto gamepad is very appealing to me. Audio (for me) is very important in gaming, although I have my doubts that the controls on the official gamepad would be very good. So it comes down to (probably) better controls with this one vs better audio with the other one. Not sure if the official one from moto will have an extra battery or not.
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We have not yet put any work into the design for adding speakers, however, it is an interesting thought.... we will consider it. We are solving the size and durability issues by using magnetic pins. Similar to the Nintendo switch, except when our side pad snaps into place, the magnetic pins create the connections directly to the phone so there will be no need for any wireless protocols. The parts will also be cheap to replace just in case one is lost. The side pads will then slide in and magnetically snap into place on the back of the phone. Our new, coming soon, the design will also reduce the bulk of the gamepad.
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I like the idea of magnetic pins. I was thinking in 'old' terms with some ribbon cables or something If it is switch-like, then this would come in 3 pieces?
I can't tell if the gamepad will sit under the phone, like this https://i.imgur.com/Kd0DXUN.jpg
or if it will be designed to sit flush with the phone, like this https://i.imgur.com/IABLsWr.jpg
if it sits flush, I wondered about is having a usb pass-through. Not sure if it could be possible, but being able to charge while playing might be a useful feature.
edit: looking more closely at the renders, it seems to sit under the phone. I'm trying to think of a way to have a usb cable plugged in w/o interfering with the controller buttons/stick

I have to agree with some of the sentiment on here: do not make it a slide-out design. You can make it a dock design of even a clamshell design, but please please refrain from doing a slide-out design. As an owner of three devices that have slide-out mechanisms (HTC Apache, HTC Mogul, Sony-Ericsson X10 mini pro), I can tell you first-hand that they are not worth the trouble to manufacture.
Slide-out mechanisms require more moving parts, are more prone to breakage, add weight, increase the time + cost to manufacture, result in increased support costs down the road, and even if you get everything right, they will still break down faster compared to other designs from the gunk that will collect in between the moving parts over time.
Since you guys don't have the manufacturing prowess of HTC or Sony, please spend your effort on the ergonomics of the mod casing and quality of the gamepad buttons, joysticks, triggers, and underlying micro switches instead of trying to make a reliable, robust slide-out mechanism, which like the other poster mentioned will likely be a lost benefit anyway because I reckon most people will remove the mod when game over.