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Very disappointed with both camera

I'm a Sensation XL user and when i switch to the One X, i expect a similar image quality if not better than the XL, i was wrong.
The only thing that amazed me is how fast the camera is.
Other than that:
-The main camera captured detail that looks very very messy, bad white balance and VERY bad compression. I tried every setting possible, set sharpness from 0 to -2 , still missing alot of details and compare to the XL's camera, also this camera has alot of noise even at ISO 100 and full bright area.
-The front camera is something that pissed me off the most, it looked very nice on screen but the actual captured image looks like it's from a 0.3 megapixel camera. I think this is mostly a problem with the compression of the front camera.
-Also another thing, why cant i turn auto focus off ??? what if i wanted to focus manualy. I was very proud of HTC since the early day because they allow us to do tons of stuff like turning off auto focus
-The camera have amazing auto focus at mid-long range but piss poor at macro shots, even at bright day light.
-The video captured from the One X is very bad, also because of compression
I love this phone to death, i love the design, the screen...etc, i dont mind all the bugs and stuff but i'm very mad at these camera issues, since they use it as a selling point of the phone and i'm a heavy camera user.
Your thoughts ?

Simply put: my camera's awesome. Sorry to hear your having issues. There's a thread where people are posting pictures...there's some amazing pictures in there. Head over there to compare your pics, maybe there's something wrong with your camera
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There's a "fix" in the development section for camera compression, as far as noise goes, that might be an issue with your unit, it's not bad on mine. That said, it is noiser than most good camera phones I've used, but I'm holding out for an update to resolve that.

I'm more than happy with mine

mrhahn98 said:
I'm a Sensation XL user and when i switch to the One X, i expect a similar image quality if not better than the XL, i was wrong.
The only thing that amazed me is how fast the camera is.
Other than that:
-The main camera captured detail that looks very very messy, bad white balance and VERY bad compression. I tried every setting possible, set sharpness from 0 to -2 , still missing alot of details and compare to the XL's camera, also this camera has alot of noise even at ISO 100 and full bright area.
-The front camera is something that pissed me off the most, it looked very nice on screen but the actual captured image looks like it's from a 0.3 megapixel camera. I think this is mostly a problem with the compression of the front camera.
-Also another thing, why cant i turn auto focus off ??? what if i wanted to focus manualy. I was very proud of HTC since the early day because they allow us to do tons of stuff like turning off auto focus
-The camera have amazing auto focus at mid-long range but piss poor at macro shots, even at bright day light.
-The video captured from the One X is very bad, also because of compression
I love this phone to death, i love the design, the screen...etc, i dont mind all the bugs and stuff but i'm very mad at these camera issues, since they use it as a selling point of the phone and i'm a heavy camera user.
Your thoughts ?
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mrhahn98,
Its a start for HTC. Previous attempts by HTC for taking photos was an epic fail. This is the right direction HTC is heading with the photo imaging...hope the future OTAs will correct it. I hope you are not comparing to a DSLR imaging quality or even an good P&S.

I'm happy with mine too. Way better than GNote. Mind to post some pics up for us to have a look?

i have read very different user opinions of the camera. I must agree that firstly, the focusing still has some issues (macro and touch-to-focus) and noise is still very evident. Its almost as bad as my Sensation XE so i kinda found the upgrade to be rather disappointing. But cons aside, the camera speed is really a winning edge for a mobile device.
If you tried using other camera apps (e.g camera360) to take photos, you might find that they can look really good so i believe that the camera hardware has potential.
Im hoping that HTC will, most importantly, show strong support for the One series and continue to tweak Sense 4 with updates. It does feel that way for now and I pray Im not just mistaking their immense marketing for real committed support.
Yes, im glad too that HTC is pushing for camera and music functionalities as their main selling point. Its one of the top few things on my list for a phone. Android itself pretty much brings the manufacturers to a level OS platform. Its all about differentiating now!

Hi, no i'm not comparing it to p/s or DSLR but to older phones which have the f2.2 lens like the Sensation XL and Amaze 4G.
I understand that most people come by this phone will be happy, it's a very good shooter i agree, but the quality is not as good as the XL and Amaze 4G.
I'll try to check out the mods and see if anything changes
p.s: Also the minimal focus distance for older phones, are like 5cm, One X have a very long minimal focus distance , like 10-15cm which result in less interesting Macro shots despite its awesome f2.0 camera

The One X camera can take some fantastic photo's (terrible videos though).
Here's one I took the other day; not the best photo ever taken but it's not bad
http://postimage.org/image/blnl4yapr/full/

I think the camera sw is just underdeveloped just like the rest of the phone, probably because HTC was rushing to get their product out, but I DO believe there will be updates with hopefully better camera softwares.
But my camera works fine, I feel you need to 'get to know it abit', it has a so many features and stuff and most people are used to having the camera just do things for them (as should be but to a certain extent) but if you play around and learn the settings and stuff you will be able to take some awesome images.
Cheers

your right about the noise but I think the rest is up to par compared to other phones ive used.

The camera on an HTC phone still sucks. The best they've gotten was the Sensation XE/Titan and Amaze 4G, but they ahd their drawbacks and the video was horrible no matter what. Considering I'm in no hurry to get the One X and am waiting for it to hit stateside, hopefully with many of its issues fixed, I can also look forward to the Galaxy S3. At least for that phone I am guaranteed good imaging and video, even if they re-use last year's tech. The HTC selling point is the build quality. The rumored ceramic body for the S3 sounds makes it more interesting.
Didn't HTC learn anything from their previous phones, and especially the LG G2x, the first dual-core phone rushed to market? How about instead of rushing things, they took their own advice, which they have been spouting in their tech interviews, to release higher quality phones and take their time?

The One X camera is the best point and click going, there is nothing else quite like it. You would need to actually own the phone day to day to realise how much easier and fluent it is.

Arthur Hucksake said:
The One X camera is the best point and click going, there is nothing else quite like it. You would need to actually own the phone day to day to realise how much easier and fluent it is.
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I agree its a very good camera, but I also can understand why the people that say it sux say so, there is alot of room for improvement.
But definitaly this one of the most impressive cameras on a phone in terms of functions, but the results need to be improved alot, the 1080p recording should NEVER drop to below 24fps if you ask me and also the images could be better without having to change to specific settings, and some 'big' issues are the frequent blurry images and also the flash doesn't seem to sync with the focus moment of the camera which in result causes sometimes the images to be blurry.
But most of the time you get good images and sometimes you get those GREAT images and then you know you made a good choice

mrhahn98 said:
I'm a Sensation XL user and when i switch to the One X, i expect a similar image quality if not better than the XL, i was wrong.
The only thing that amazed me is how fast the camera is.
Other than that:
-The main camera captured detail that looks very very messy, bad white balance and VERY bad compression. I tried every setting possible, set sharpness from 0 to -2 , still missing alot of details and compare to the XL's camera, also this camera has alot of noise even at ISO 100 and full bright area.
-The front camera is something that pissed me off the most, it looked very nice on screen but the actual captured image looks like it's from a 0.3 megapixel camera. I think this is mostly a problem with the compression of the front camera.
-Also another thing, why cant i turn auto focus off ??? what if i wanted to focus manualy. I was very proud of HTC since the early day because they allow us to do tons of stuff like turning off auto focus
-The camera have amazing auto focus at mid-long range but piss poor at macro shots, even at bright day light.
-The video captured from the One X is very bad, also because of compression
I love this phone to death, i love the design, the screen...etc, i dont mind all the bugs and stuff but i'm very mad at these camera issues, since they use it as a selling point of the phone and i'm a heavy camera user.
Your thoughts ?
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I have the xl and u must have a bad x. Definitely the x takes much better pics than the xl. I have both
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I'm not saying the camera SUCK, because alot of people will be happy with their purchase, coming from other phones or such.
I'm saying camera's "quality" SUCK compare to OLDER phones from HTC like the Sensation XL and the Amaze 4G
And if this is software only then i hope that HTC will fix it in time as someone said the firmware of it is still very new.
I have the xl and u must have a bad x. Definitely the x takes much better pics than the xl. I have both
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I have both too , and i have my friend's One X too to compare between 2 OneX, i dont think it's "Bad" camera since i've never heard of it, it's just not as good in the details as the XL

Had this phone for a week now,coming from my samsung galaxy S2
the camera quality is superb, alot better then my SG2 and that took superb pictures..
My mates XL Pictures are no where near as good as mine, He's amazed how clear the HOX pictures are..
Think you might have some issues with your camera.
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scott.eden said:
Had this phone for a week now,coming from my samsung galaxy S2
the camera quality is superb, alot better then my SG2 and that took superb pictures..
My mates XL Pictures are no where near as good as mine, He's amazed how clear the HOX pictures are..
Think you might have some issues with your camera.
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Agreed something is wrong with it, I must say after 50% zoom the image does get degraded but I can almost defiantly say its software related.
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it always looks very nice at that level of crop, i have no complain about that, can u give me 100% crop ? i dont believe i have problem with both my HOX and my friend's
Edit: here's some shot with the same crop level above (max 900px):
extreme low light:
Macro-ish:
Low light but ISO set to 100:
And here's some from my old XL:
extreme low light:
macro-ish:

go here and you can see how good the pictures are
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1585398&highlight=best+picture

[Q] Possible fix for galaxy nexus camera problem?

I read reviews that says the Galaxy Nexus camera is worse compared to s2 and the details of the picture taken is lesser compared to GS2 and also the video How true is that? I mean does the GN's camera can't compete w/ the gs2's camera and there difference in quality is really huge?
So does this issue can be fixed by only an OS update w/ camera improvements? or really this issue is really on the hardware and can't be fixed w/ os update?
If you can also can you please post picture taken by your galaxy nexus's camera? thank you

There are plenty of picture threads on here if you'd like to browse in the general forum, but I'll try to post a pic for you in a few. As far as quality I find the camera pretty impressive compared to my old droid bionic camera. Yes it's a lower mp but at the same time it's a matter of lens quality that really makes the difference. As for what you were saying about the upgraded os and whatnot, there is a thread in the development forums for the Gnex toolkit by mskips. He's compiled a modified "media_profiles.xml" file. That xml controls the cameras properties on the phone. He has them changed to improve video, audio, and picture quality. I've noticed a pretty decent improvement over the stock settings especially in video recording. Hope that helps you out a bit.
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Turtle I found outside my shop today.

utcu said:
There are plenty of picture threads on here if you'd like to browse in the general forum, but I'll try to post a pic for you in a few. As far as quality I find the camera pretty impressive compared to my old droid bionic camera. Yes it's a lower mp but at the same time it's a matter of lens quality that really makes the difference. As for what you were saying about the upgraded os and whatnot, there is a thread in the development forums for the Gnex toolkit by mskips. He's compiled a modified "media_profiles.xml" file. That xml controls the cameras properties on the phone. He has them changed to improve video, audio, and picture quality. I've noticed a pretty decent improvement over the stock settings especially in video recording. Hope that helps you out a bit.
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Wow, those are some great pics. Could you be so kind as to provide a link to said file?
Thanks .

Yes the camera is not as good as the SGSII, but very few cameras are. The camera is not terrible, people just like to complain about things because they're terrible photographers lol.
There are tons of threads on photography with the GNex, you should see them. Here are a couple of mine:
I could go on for pages... As you can see the camera is completely capable of taking good shots.

ichilouch said:
I read reviews that says the Galaxy Nexus camera is worse compared to s2 and the details of the picture taken is lesser compared to GS2 and also the video How true is that? I mean does the GN's camera can't compete w/ the gs2's camera and there difference in quality is really huge?
So does this issue can be fixed by only an OS update w/ camera improvements? or really this issue is really on the hardware and can't be fixed w/ os update?
If you can also can you please post picture taken by your galaxy nexus's camera? thank you
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The latest update greatly improved the camera. All the original reviews used the crappy camera software during first release. I'd look at newer pic threads.

T4rd said:
Wow, those are some great pics. Could you be so kind as to provide a link to said file?
Thanks .
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Here ya go
http://www.mediafire.com/?cr3tsecfbsacj3n

utcu said:
There are plenty of picture threads on here if you'd like to browse in the general forum, but I'll try to post a pic for you in a few. As far as quality I find the camera pretty impressive compared to my old droid bionic camera. Yes it's a lower mp but at the same time it's a matter of lens quality that really makes the difference. As for what you were saying about the upgraded os and whatnot, there is a thread in the development forums for the Gnex toolkit by mskips. He's compiled a modified "media_profiles.xml" file. That xml controls the cameras properties on the phone. He has them changed to improve video, audio, and picture quality. I've noticed a pretty decent improvement over the stock settings especially in video recording. Hope that helps you out a bit.
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Do you Wash your hands and clean ur nails from time to time? xD.... Hope you dont own a restaurant... Haha
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martonikaj said:
Yes the camera is not as good as the SGSII, but very few cameras are. The camera is not terrible, people just like to complain about things because they're terrible photographers lol.
There are tons of threads on photography with the GNex, you should see them. Here are a couple of mine:
I could go on for pages... As you can see the camera is completely capable of taking good shots.
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Maybe It depends on the skill?
I can't do like this, and all the quality of photo took by my GN is so terrible...
I think that maybe is caused by the camera, because my Sony X10i doesn't have this problem.
So what do you think?

johnnyaqwer said:
Maybe It depends on the skill?
I can't do like this, and all the quality of photo took by my GN is so terrible...
I think that maybe is caused by the camera, because my Sony X10i doesn't have this problem.
So what do you think?
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Agreed. Some devices simply are more forgivable in this department.

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msedek said:
Do you Wash your hands and clean ur nails from time to time? xD.... Hope you dont own a restaurant... Haha
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Lol. I wash them about 20 times a day. I'm an automotive technician though so they get pretty dirty throughout the day. Oil, grease, dirt, all the fun stuff I get paid to play in. haha
As far as the cameras quality being a skill issue... It is not necessarily a skill issue on the user's part, but at the same time a dslr camera's auto settings, and other settings allow for a lot more error on the user's part. My pictures from my d40 will always look cleaner than my gnex. This falls back to lens quality as well. My nicer lenses were more expensive than my phone by far and there's a reason high end lenses cost so much. Using cell phones to take pictures doesn't require any special talents but knowing what conditions will help you produce better quality photos can help a lot. Having the right lighting alone can make a huge difference. Also you need to remember it is a phone and not a camera. Yes it has a camera, but it's main purpose and intent is to be a communications device which it does well. lol. I also feel that for a phone it has a more than adequate camera. It's not the best on the market, but I got this phone for development purposes and my love of android software. As for pictures I've got my old minolta 35mm and my Nikon DSLR.

I will never understand why people say the s2 has a better camera. I had the s2 before the GN and I hated the camera tit would always take a picture I millisecond too short when focusing causing blurry photos. Hated that damn camera. I'm very happy with this. I truly believe anything over 5mp on a phone is pure overkill is just a game of who has the greater Number. All of this only differs if they actually put a damn great sensor of course but I'm loving my nexus camera. Oh and I loved the nexus one camera too. That was sharp and so reliable.
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nexicon said:
I will never understand why people say the s2 has a better camera. I had the s2 before the GN and I hated the camera tit would always take a picture I millisecond too short when focusing causing blurry photos. Hated that damn camera. I'm very happy with this. I truly believe anything over 5mp on a phone is pure overkill is just a game of who has the greater Number. All of this only differs if they actually put a damn great sensor of course but I'm loving my nexus camera. Oh and I loved the nexus one camera too. That was sharp and so reliable.
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You are exactly right about the >5mp being overkill for a phone. Mp has nothing to do with photo quality when taken it is mainly a unit used to measure the depth of the image and how large you can increase it before you see pixels. I've never taken a picture with my phone that I've wanted to blow up bigger than 3x5 at the most. lol.

Camera

So I took some test shots between the ZL and my iPhone 5, wow is all I can say.
And NOT a good wow either.
The ZL is pretty bad compared to the iP5.
The pic's look very washed out on the ZL, I tested the shots in Auto mode and normal mode as well as HDR.
In all cases the iP5 in just normal shooting mode blew the ZL out of the water.
Now looking at the pic's on the ZL screen they look better because of that Bravia color thing, but on my iMac side by side the iP5 kill it.
Weird.
Is there any setting's to help this??

Noticed that too... Weird. with 13 mega and so called camera wow factor in their adds, it just cant beat ip5 and note 1.
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safuan7822 said:
Noticed that too... Weird. with 13 mega and so called camera wow factor in their adds, it just cant beat ip5 and note 1.
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What's also strange is to use the 13MP you have to take a picture in 4X3 mode, all normal auto mode pic's are a 9MP shot.
I also tested the dif between a 13mp shot and a 9mp and saw no difference except that the iPhone 5 was still better in both still and video.

Meh, you guys should know camera is not the strong point of this phone and megapixel don't tell the whole story. If you wanted a phone for camera it's better to buy Nokia N8, it's cheap and still way better than most cameraphones of today. I still kept Nokia N8 as second phone so when I going places I got good camera to take pictures and videos

I think one of the main reasons to look at camera phones is the fact that you don't need to carry a second device and that you always carry it with you.
I am surprised that the ZL has such a lousy camera - thought Sony's expertise with cameras should have helped. I hope it's not a sensor issue and that maybe a firmware/software update would help with the images.

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So I took some test shots between the ZL and my iPhone 5, wow is all I can say.
And NOT a good wow either.
The ZL is pretty bad compared to the iP5.
The pic's look very washed out on the ZL, I tested the shots in Auto mode and normal mode as well as HDR.
In all cases the iP5 in just normal shooting mode blew the ZL out of the water.
Now looking at the pic's on the ZL screen they look better because of that Bravia color thing, but on my iMac side by side the iP5 kill it.
Weird.
Is there any setting's to help this??
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No settings at all may be some firmware or software
upgrade might help

Didn't buy because of camera
I am travelling in Chicago, went to the Sony store, had the ZL in my hand and was going to buy it and took a picture.
I have a Galaxy SII now, a bit handicapped I think by the CM10.1 camera software, and took the same picture with it.
There was a HUGE difference. The ZL was brighter, but the detail was awful on the ZL -- there are what appear to be JPG compression artifacts or sharpening artifacts everywhere. Text in the image had pixel artifacts extending out from corners so that everything was jagged and looked like it was done with a 1-2mpx camera instead (and yes I had it set at max).
I'm a photographer, and I am not buying a phone to replace real cameras, but I also don't want to buy the latest and greatest phone and take a step 3 years back in cameras.
This all looks like software (in a very "gut reaction to a few images"). It looks and feels like poor image processing from the raw data, either over-compression or bad sharpening.
I've done a bit of searching and found a few "bad camera" comments, but has there been any reaction from Sony, any indication of improved settings coming? Are any of the mods available capable of addressing this sort of thing, or is that lost in proprietary code space?
I left without a phone, sadly. My GS2 with CM10.1 does almost everything I need, I was just looking for a fresh face. And I LOVED the form factor and feel. But the camera was a deal killer. Will lurk around here in case there may be forthcoming software fixes (as I am almost certain it is a software issue).

Nice, a thread about the camera and comparisons without pics

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Nice, a thread about the camera and comparisons without pics
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Yeah, my bad in this case; I had assumed they would have it mail enabled and I could send myself a photo when I tested it, but they didn't have it set up. I may go back (it's not far) and take a microSD card with me, and see if it's set up so I can write to it and take the photo away. I'd love to have one where I could compare the two on a computer screen.
The image it rendered had good color (better than my SII) and was nicely focused. Just badly processed. I was hoping someone would say "you forgot to set the 'good image or small image'" option to "good".
I REALLY liked the feel of the back cover, they did a nice job there. Easy to hold, didn't feel like it was continually going to slide out of my hand.

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Nice, a thread about the camera and comparisons without pics
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Nice one,btw I jus saw a thread about this camera comparison and I didn't see that the camera to be that bad like u guys say it is
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The image it rendered had good color (better than my SII) and was nicely focused. Just badly processed. I was hoping someone would say "you forgot to set the 'good image or small image'" option to "good".
I REALLY liked the feel of the back cover, they did a nice job there. Easy to hold, didn't feel like it was continually going to slide out of my hand.
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See this. There is a lot of discussion going on (at xda & sony support forums) about the sony's image "post processing" used in the XZ/ZL. I've read somewhere that this matter has been acknowledged by sony support. You may have a look at the XZ general section for threads (like this) regarding camera (same camera hardware used in ZL). Btw, I think that camera on ZL is not bad at all (it bests my previous note2 camera in almost all aspects)! Some software updates might fix the existing issues (noise blur) especially in the auto mode. Do try the normal mode (13mp size) with hdr & flash off, in case you revisit the store.

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See this Do try the normal mode (13mp size) with hdr & flash off, in case you revisit the store.
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Thank you, will look at the other links, and I did call the store and they sold the demo and no new ones in. I'm here for a couple weeks so I may get another chance.

to look at pics on the phone it works fine (probably coz of bravia engine) .. but on a larger screen u can see the problem .. hopefully we see a fix :fingers-crossed:
does the camera mod in the apps & themes work any better than the stock one ? cybershot ....

Does this mod help?
I ran across this. It sounds like it got mixed results, so I suspect it is only touching around the edges of the camera processing and not changing how the engine does the jpg compression. But maybe it is. I offer it for reference; discussion may be better in that thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2221351&page=11
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does the camera mod in the apps & themes work any better than the stock one ? cybershot ....
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My apologies, I didn't see this note until I posted my last one. Thank you.

With pictures
CLB-NL said:
Nice, a thread about the camera and comparisons without pics
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OK, I decided I could live with a less poor camera and bought one because I liked everything else. So here are some comparisons. These are done from the perspective of looking at fine detail, not overall appearance at a small size. I.e. I think a lot of what Sony has done is aimed at highly compressed JPG's suitable for facebook-like postings. I don't do that, I use it in lieu of a real camera and so would actually prefer raw images, but as a substitute I hope for good detail and suitable dynamic range despite the JPG conversion. Anyway.
So while I've seen a lot of just full images and "see how pretty" I thought i would try to see the fine detail, not how it did as a snapshot (while admitting that it's a cell phone and a "snapshot" is exactly what it's intended for, it is not a DSLR).
attached is a composite image taken with the Galaxy S2 running CM10.1, and a ZL running stock with three different modes as indicated. all were at max resolution. All were interior shots with good light (large windows beside the scene), at the same distance from a jar of jelly beans. I then extracted two components, one for fine detail (a bar code) and one for some color and detail (an edge of the plastic jar). These were all taken from about 4' away, handheld but shooting several shots and picking the best to reduce the impact of any motion blur.
First, I must say the ZL did not have the artifacts I noticed in the store; I must have had a different setting there.
The images are over-processed, whether for noise or (my theory) compression not sure, but there are a LOT of JPG artifacts in them.
But there are better than I expected. They are not better in a processing sense than the S2, but what you get is better resolution then poorer processing (look at the smoothness around high contrast borers, e.g. the top of the 9 -- there's a lot more pixel raggedness in the S2 from less resolution, but the ZL is just ragged despite having more pixels -- kind of a random jaggedness from compression artifacts). But the net result of added resolution and poor processing is a better image.
But not nearly as "better" as it should be with a lot more resolution!
Sony really owes a "leave the darn image alone" setting.
The burst mode is interesting -- I'm not sure what they are doing there, but it looks like yet even more aggressive sharpening and processing. The bar code at first looks like it is a much clearer shot -- but it is not. It's excessively sharpened and detail is lost even though it fools the eye with more contrast on edge transitions. Look especially at the colors in the jelly beans through the glare, how poor and splotchy they became).
Surprisingly the Superior vs. Normal, despite all I've read, did not have a lot of difference. Not sure if the conditions were such the difference didn't kick in, or... ?
Anyway, to the original point -- here are pictures.
On a related note, been playing with it for low light, and tried in store a HTC one, and there is a marked difference there, with the bigger pixels doing a much better job at low light, but they just didn't add QUITE enough of them for me. The ZL is much better than the older GS2 at low light, but even with the relatively faster lens and newer sensor, it's only OK. Oh... for an F1.4 lens one day. :fingers-crossed:
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OK, I decided I could live with a less poor camera and bought one because I liked everything else. So here are some comparisons. These are done from the perspective of looking at fine detail, not overall appearance at a small size. I.e. I think a lot of what Sony has done is aimed at highly compressed JPG's suitable for facebook-like postings. I don't do that, I use it in lieu of a real camera and so would actually prefer raw images, but as a substitute I hope for good detail and suitable dynamic range despite the JPG conversion. Anyway.
So while I've seen a lot of just full images and "see how pretty" I thought i would try to see the fine detail, not how it did as a snapshot (while admitting that it's a cell phone and a "snapshot" is exactly what it's intended for, it is not a DSLR).
attached is a composite image taken with the Galaxy S2 running CM10.1, and a ZL running stock with three different modes as indicated. all were at max resolution. All were interior shots with good light (large windows beside the scene), at the same distance from a jar of jelly beans. I then extracted two components, one for fine detail (a bar code) and one for some color and detail (an edge of the plastic jar). These were all taken from about 4' away, handheld but shooting several shots and picking the best to reduce the impact of any motion blur.
First, I must say the ZL did not have the artifacts I noticed in the store; I must have had a different setting there.
The images are over-processed, whether for noise or (my theory) compression not sure, but there are a LOT of JPG artifacts in them.
But there are better than I expected. They are not better in a processing sense than the S2, but what you get is better resolution then poorer processing (look at the smoothness around high contrast borers, e.g. the top of the 9 -- there's a lot more pixel raggedness in the S2 from less resolution, but the ZL is just ragged despite having more pixels -- kind of a random jaggedness from compression artifacts). But the net result of added resolution and poor processing is a better image.
But not nearly as "better" as it should be with a lot more resolution!
Sony really owes a "leave the darn image alone" setting.
The burst mode is interesting -- I'm not sure what they are doing there, but it looks like yet even more aggressive sharpening and processing. The bar code at first looks like it is a much clearer shot -- but it is not. It's excessively sharpened and detail is lost even though it fools the eye with more contrast on edge transitions. Look especially at the colors in the jelly beans through the glare, how poor and splotchy they became).
Surprisingly the Superior vs. Normal, despite all I've read, did not have a lot of difference. Not sure if the conditions were such the difference didn't kick in, or... ?
Anyway, to the original point -- here are pictures.
On a related note, been playing with it for low light, and tried in store a HTC one, and there is a marked difference there, with the bigger pixels doing a much better job at low light, but they just didn't add QUITE enough of them for me. The ZL is much better than the older GS2 at low light, but even with the relatively faster lens and newer sensor, it's only OK. Oh... for an F1.4 lens one day. :fingers-crossed:
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Hi there! Congrats on your new device n welcome aboard! I appreciate your feedback regarding the camera performance on the ZL. I tend to agree with most of what you've said! I only hope sony gives us a patch for camera software soon!

Accessories for QX10 lens

Just seen Amazon are selling a few accessories for the QX10 lens.
The Z1 case which the lens attaches too:
Sony ACX2 QX10/QX100 Case for Lens Style Camera and Xperia Z1 - Black
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00F5X13V2/ref=cm_sw_r_an_am_ap_am_gb?ie=UTF8
Also a carrying case for the lens:
Sony LCSBBMB Carrying Case for QX10 Lens Style Camera
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00F3YS89I/ref=cm_sw_r_an_am_ap_am_gb?ie=UTF8
I will get the case first then the case a bit later on.
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Spent the last week looking for somewhere to get that case!
Going to pre-order now - my lovely see through case from china is great apart from they covered the magnetic charge area which is sad news.
I managed to get the micro SD in the wrong way round for my QX10 - that was fun!

Doesn't the lens come with some form of case already?
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That's pretty poor, given the price.
But I suppose when you look at the cost of the docks (including the car holder that doesn't even charge - when it could via the pins), you can see that Sony likes to maximise profits from accessories.
Even the case that lets you clip the QX10 on seems rather a lot of money, and worse still, I can see myself buying one!

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That's pretty poor, given the price.
But I suppose when you look at the cost of the docks (including the car holder that doesn't even charge - when it could via the pins), you can see that Sony likes to maximise profits from accessories.
Even the case that lets you clip the QX10 on seems rather a lot of money, and worse still, I can see myself buying one!
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The QX10/100 cover for the Z1, which Amazon said could ship as late as December, is now in stock and has shipped today to me - so I'll have it tomorrow.
I expect that once I have this cover, I might use the QX10 a lot more than I do now, which is hardly at all.
(Really wondering why I bought one now, to be honest - so I may well sell both the cover and the QX10 in the not too distant future).

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My Sony ACX2 case arrived - slight problem is it does not work!
when its on the phone and set at open position - the QX10 will not attach - the problem is getting it locked in - the ONLY way I can get it to attach is when the case is away from the phone and I apply pressure on one side (where phone would be) so it can slide over the lock (far side from the locking dot) - which is disappointing.
I have checked for damage on case and camera and they are fine - guess it just does not work properly. Quite disappointed.

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And here it is...
How are you finding the picture quality, very torn between this and the qx100. From what I have read the qx100 is a far superior device but it does seem bulky where the qx10 seems to be a nice size.
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How are you finding the picture quality, very torn between this and the qx100. From what I have read the qx100 is a far superior device but it does seem bulky where the qx10 seems to be a nice size.
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I have very mixed views on the QX10.
Here they are in a nutshell.
1) Practicality. Even with the wrist strap, it's not the easiest thing to carry about - and I am disappointed Sony couldn't bundle a simple case instead of making you pay £20 or so.
2) Pairing is slow, and there are quite a few Wi-Fi access points around my location so it means that it often pauses/stutters on the viewfinder display - and sometimes loses connection completely (not often, but once is too much if you're trying to take a photo).
3) It doesn't take incredible photos all the time - it can sometimes be out of focus and there's still a lot of noise if it judges the scene wrong. I've had a photo that looks far worse than using the main camera in auto mode!
However, if put on a tripod (or placed separately on a flat surface and detached from the phone) then it can take some incredible low-light photos.. totally noise free and, well, just wow. These are the shots that make you think it was money well spent (question is, how many of these photos will you be taking?)
4) When you connect via USB to charge, you can't access the photos on the camera directly (as a mass storage device) so you must always copy via the, frankly, rather awful PlayMemories camera app. Camera360 now supports the QX10 but it's buggy, although I expect a fix will come in due course.
5) The zoom is fantastic - no complaints there.
6) The battery life is good from what I can see - but I still worry that I'll forget to keep it charged, as it joins a list of things to keep topping up before I go out (Pebble watch, phone, portable battery pack/charger etc).
The QX100 is no doubt a LOT better in image quality, but at the extra price (and with the loss of zoom) I am not in the market for one anyway.
The QX10 is the nicer size, but I really don't know if I'm ever likely to use it enough to justify having purchased it. I hoped, perhaps rather stupidly, I'd be able to use this instead of my Sony NEX camera (even with the loss of a flash) but with the viewfinder lags, slow image transferring and so on - it's really not a viable alternative to a separate camera if you really need improved image quality, or a powerful zoom.

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bodson66 said:
I have very mixed views on the QX10.
Here they are in a nutshell.
1) Practicality. Even with the wrist strap, it's not the easiest thing to carry about - and I am disappointed Sony couldn't bundle a simple case instead of making you pay £20 or so.
2) Pairing is slow, and there are quite a few Wi-Fi access points around my location so it means that it often pauses/stutters on the viewfinder display - and sometimes loses connection completely (not often, but once is too much if you're trying to take a photo).
3) It doesn't take incredible photos all the time - it can sometimes be out of focus and there's still a lot of noise if it judges the scene wrong. I've had a photo that looks far worse than using the main camera in auto mode!
However, if put on a tripod (or placed separately on a flat surface and detached from the phone) then it can take some incredible low-light photos.. totally noise free and, well, just wow. These are the shots that make you think it was money well spent (question is, how many of these photos will you be taking?)
4) When you connect via USB to charge, you can't access the photos on the camera directly (as a mass storage device) so you must always copy via the, frankly, rather awful PlayMemories camera app. Camera360 now supports the QX10 but it's buggy, although I expect a fix will come in due course.
5) The zoom is fantastic - no complaints there.
6) The battery life is good from what I can see - but I still worry that I'll forget to keep it charged, as it joins a list of things to keep topping up before I go out (Pebble watch, phone, portable battery pack/charger etc).
The QX100 is no doubt a LOT better in image quality, but at the extra price (and with the loss of zoom) I am not in the market for one anyway.
The QX10 is the nicer size, but I really don't know if I'm ever likely to use it enough to justify having purchased it. I hoped, perhaps rather stupidly, I'd be able to use this instead of my Sony NEX camera (even with the loss of a flash) but with the viewfinder lags, slow image transferring and so on - it's really not a viable alternative to a separate camera if you really need improved image quality, or a powerful zoom.
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Perfect honest answer thanks bud. I think you are right, I was looking at the qx100 as an upgrade to my point and shoot but I think I might just invest in a good dslr. If I am out trying to snap some great pics I usually head out on hikes with that intention. I don't think these devices are quite there yet. I have been impressed with how the main shooter on this phone performs and if I need something better I might as well bring a camera.
Once again thanks for your feedback, the tech head in me really wanted this lol
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Once again thanks for your feedback, the tech head in me really wanted this lol
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I think that's why I pre-ordered the QX10 and now regret it a bit. I'd be really gutted if I'd paid the extra for the QX100 - however good the photos.

I bought the QX10 on Amazon. I ultimately returned it for the Galaxy S4 zoom but I'm not sold on the Samsung either yet. I'll post my Amazon review here rather than re-creating it.
I bought this item after weeks of review and months of anticipation. After hearing about the launch I could NOT wait for the product to be released. The price seemed a little high so I waited a bit. I purchased an Amazon Wharehouse deal (probably from someone who posted a negative review and returned it) for the QX10
All I can say is its a mixed bag.
When it works it is fantastic. It's a great point and shoot camera with very simple controls, that produces great results. I was able to capture great long range zoomed shots of a soccer game that froze the action in place. I took some very low light shots of text from 3 feet away that was still very visible. I shot stills from both the macro level and far off zoomed and they all looked great. The Sony Auto modes are just what I need. Being able to operate the camera unattached from the phone is an added bonus. Since it is so small at a birthday party I was able to hold it high over my head and basically create a "crane" shot without actually having a tripod or large piece of equipment. Then I could see over all the other people to zoom in on the shot I wanted. I could see this being very usefull at a child's play or concert to get a unique point of view. I am a photographer so I know how to adjust manually if I need to but the point of a smart phone or point and shoot is to take pictures quickly that "just work". Sony has nailed the concept.
There are, however, issues. Like everybody has said in the negative reviews the connection can be iffy. Even on my Galaxy Note II the connection was hit or miss. It was a complete crap shoot as to whether the next time I touched the NFC tag, it would Open and Connect, Just Open and fail to connect, or do absolutely nothing. This is not the device you want to rely on to capture quick action. Once connected, however, I found the software to be pretty solid. I really like the ability to transfer photos to the device. I dug deeper and found a setting that lets you transfer the full image when copying. I would only recommend this when you have time as the files are quite large. I waited till the end of the day and transferred all 200 pictures at once, which took about 20 minutes. Still, its a great option, especially for someone like me who likes to backup everything to a shared NAS either nightly or every couple of nights.
Ultimately, this is a device you want to carry around but not necessarily use all the time. Use your phone for the pretty sunset you happen to catch on the way from the office of the silly shots at the bar. You bring along the QX10 to the Baseball stadium or a wedding to get those shots you want to look better as keepsakes, or when you need a Zoom. I guess you could say why not just bring along the DSLR on those occasions, but the QX10 is MUCH easier to carry. For instance at the Soccer game, I had my phone (as always) and all I needed for the Zoom ability was to slip the QX10 into my sweatshirt pocket where it sat till I needed it. No camera bag, or heavy camera body around my neck. If you can justify the price for that, I think it's a win.

Has anyone else found the phone case with the QX10 attachment to be very fragile? I mean 3 of the corners have cracked and 1 of those has broken (a small bit snapped off!). I've dropped the phone a couple of times but from very small distances but surely the case shouldn't break so easily? And yes I'd rather the case broke than the phone before someone asks

I haven't dropped my phone, yet, but that still sounds pretty bad. I did wonder how it would stand up to being attached and removed repeatedly, so I guess I probably have my answer now.
I don't use my QX10 much, so I only really keep the case on because it's the only case that still lets me use my DK31 dock.
The Sony Xperia-approved Roxfit case doesn't, and I'm unsure what other cases are on sale that do. I do have to wonder why Sony made two inserts for the dock when the 'larger' one really isn't large enough!

I should've also mentioned that when taking a picture with the internal camera, if the flash is used it bleeds across the lens as the case is a bit too much of a perfect fit. I'm torn because despite all this I still really like the functionality of the case due to the ease of attaching the QX10. Frustration guaranteed with this case it would seem.
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That's such a common problem with cases (my parents each had that issue with covers on their iPhones) that I'm amazed it still keeps happening!
But, happen it does.
I'm half tempted to go back to having the phone in no case at all, as I did for the first few days, but there's an obvious risk with this. Of course, it solves the problem with using the dock!

I got the QX100 and absolutely love the images it produces, the zoom is acceptable, low light is really good, colours are accurate, warm, sharp and the unit is easy to use, thats really were it ends.
I also purchased Z1 attachment case for AU$29 it is cheap looking, provides no protection top and bottom of phone and has sharp edges that are sure to scratch the anodizing from the Z1 side housings.
The software that pairs the two is appalling and real time viewing is inaccurate it is only when viewing the shots or video you can gauge the real quality ( I should add that the shots and vids comes out very nicely in most cases) hopefully software updates can improve upon this.
In summary (and I am no pro or photographer) the QX100 does a very very nice job of low light, artificial light and sunny conditions even in auto mode, even-though it is hard to gauge real time.
The facts are that most shots come out better than expected, is it worth $500+, hell no! but it is extremely cool and very convenient since it saves taking another device along. I would recommend this product if it were $200 cheaper or more, however, if you have money to burn I say burn! you'll love it.

Try Camera 360, which now has support for the QX lenses (and has had a recent fix for some bugs relating to transferring photos).
It still jerks as the viewfinder image is streamed to the phone, and that's the real weakness of the whole concept.

Xperia 1 ii initial impressions

Unfortunately, my order hasn't arrived from 02 delayed received sms informing me of the delay.
However, those who have received their orders please share your initial impressions. What handset are you coming from and what impresses you the most about the phone?
Any new owners moving over from 90hz or 120hz screens tell the difference, does it compare to anything currently in the market?
Speakers are loud clear etc.
Please share.
Also what you don't like what is bad?

I wonder if the single versions have esim option?

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I wonder if the single versions have esim option?
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Nope

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Nope
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Bizzare stratergy for the EU market.
what are your impressions of the phone?

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Bizzare stratergy for the EU market.
what are your impressions of the phone?
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Very good phone !
Screen is one of the best i have seen from Sony
This phone is better on so many levels compared to the S20 Ultra for example.
4k screen but still SOT of 8 hours or more
The 21:9 is better then i imagined
Camera is very quick and responsive
Motion Blur is a good alternative for a 90 hz screen

Brotuck said:
Very good phone !
Screen is one of the best i have seen from Sony
This phone is better on so many levels compared to the S20 Ultra for example.
4k screen but still SOT of 8 hours or more
The 21:9 is better then i imagined
Camera is very quick and responsive
Motion Blur is a good alternative for a 90 hz screen
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Thanks - Would you say this is better than Oppo find x2 pro in regards to the screen and overall experience?
How about the speakers any better than S20 ultra?

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Thanks - Would you say this is better than Oppo find x2 pro in regards to the screen and overall experience?
How about the speakers any better than S20 ultra?
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I made the comparison woth the S20 Ultra because i have one.
I do not own a Oppo , so i cannot say anything about that
Samsung has a brigther screen in the sun, but the xperia is close enough.
Big disappointment from the Samsung was the focus issues and the massive battery drain with 120hz enabled. Also i found it to be heavy.

Brotuck said:
I made the comparison woth the S20 Ultra because i have one.
I do not own a Oppo , so i cannot say anything about that
Samsung has a brigther screen in the sun, but the xperia is close enough.
Big disappointment from the Samsung was the focus issues and the massive battery drain with 120hz enabled. Also i found it to be heavy.
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and the speakers?

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Both are loud, i guess it is a matter of taste. I think the sony has a better sound

My initial impressions are very good. Love the design, feel in hand. Prefer the flat edges, feels very premium but not too heavy or too big in the hand.
Screen is utterly incredible for 4k content. Looks unbelievable.
Haptics are some of the worst I've felt on a phone. Really disappointing for a phone at this price point.
Camera. Early impressions are great. Although it does become slow to capture when the light fades. Typical classic Sony.
However the photo pro app that allows you to take burst photos is the real deal. I am just about to get a new puppy and I know this phone will come into its own for pics of her running around which I can't wait for.
Speakers are very impressive to my ears. Easily better than any other device I have tried recently.
Going to spend more time with it today, hopefully take advantage of the camera a bit more.

Going to return the device. Had it for 48hrs and have yet to nail a decent photo. Focus point is non existent, which means whole image looks soft, almost blurry.
I may have a faulty device, but it gets nowhere near a Pixel 4 xl, iPhone 11 Pro Max, S20 Ultra SD or OnePlus 8 Pro in terms of image quality. In fact, an old HTC U11 I have here produces a better image.

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Going to return the device. Had it for 48hrs and have yet to nail a decent photo. Focus point is non existent, which means whole image looks soft, almost blurry.
I may have a faulty device, but it gets nowhere near a Pixel 4 xl, iPhone 11 Pro Max, S20 Ultra SD or OnePlus 8 Pro in terms of image quality. In fact, an old HTC U11 I have here produces a better image.
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I'm not surprised by this. The Xperia 1 was the same with my old pixel 2xl doing a better job with photos.
What about the fingerprint sensor? Hopefully it actually works this time.

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Going to return the device. Had it for 48hrs and have yet to nail a decent photo. Focus point is non existent, which means whole image looks soft, almost blurry.
I may have a faulty device, but it gets nowhere near a Pixel 4 xl, iPhone 11 Pro Max, S20 Ultra SD or OnePlus 8 Pro in terms of image quality. In fact, an old HTC U11 I have here produces a better image.
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I couldn't disagree more. And believe me, I expected to be in the same boat as you as thats why I got rid of my Xperia 1 and Xperia 5.
I have the Pixel 4 and whilst I agree point and shoot is better with the Pixel, I have gotten some incredibly sharp pictures with the Xperia both in bright light (expected) and even in lower light. Some examples attached.
Photo pro mode is amazing.
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Fingerprint sensor works great. Much better than on the X1. In truth, if the camera was better, I would keep it for my daily, it's a great phone.
Design is subjective, but for me, it's the best device I've held for a long time.
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I'm not surprised by this. The Xperia 1 was the same with my old pixel 2xl doing a better job with photos.
What about the fingerprint sensor? Hopefully it actually works this time.
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I couldn't disagree more. And believe me, I expected to be in the same boat as you as thats why I got rid of my Xperia 1 and Xperia 5.
I have the Pixel 4 and whilst I agree point and shoot is better with the Pixel, I have gotten some incredibly sharp pictures with the Xperia both in bright light (expected) and even in lower light. Some examples attached.
Photo pro mode is amazing.
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Like I said, I may have a faulty device. Anything that involves faces, texture and indoor lighting, it's terrible. I haven't bothered taking pics outside, pointless to compare, as any £250 phone will nail a shot in bright sunlight.
For the record, pics 1 and 3 have blown highlights, another Xperia issue for many years.

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Fingerprint sensor works great. Much better than on the X1. In truth, if the camera was better, I would keep it for my daily, it's a great phone.
Design is subjective, but for me, it's the best device I've held for a long time.
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Like I said, I may have a faulty device. Anything that involves faces, texture and indoor lighting, it's terrible. I haven't bothered taking pics outside, pointless to compare, as any £250 phone will nail a shot in bright sunlight.
For the record, pics 1 and 3 have blown highlights, another Xperia issue for many years.
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Lol. Well, I shot these in photo pro with no tweaks made. So if you were that arsed about your photos then you could dial it down in post processing.
Sounds like you don't want that so maybe you should just stick to your Pixel.

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Lol. Well, I shot these in photo pro with no tweaks made. So if you were that arsed about your photos then you could dial it down in post processing.
Sounds like you don't want that so maybe you should just stick to your Pixel.
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I'm more than happy to spend time in post adjusting good images to make them more appealing. Wasting my time trying to recover a poor image, that I may only have the one chance to get, is pointless and unnecessary, especially having so many good camera phones available nowadays.
I've taken over 200 images since Thursday doing comparisons. I'll point one thing out that may be of use. When using the main camera app, if you can fool it into thinking it's taking an image of a document (comes up on screen), it's absolutely on point, focus is tac sharp. But I don't want my kids holding a sheet of text up every time I want to take a picture of them!
I've spent enough time on this phone to know it's either faulty or just poorly optimised. As others post their results, we'll find out which is correct.

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the feedback of vibration is disappointing, or something else?

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The vibration feedback. It's utter crap.

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The vibration feedback. It's utter crap.
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hmmm so better disable it?

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Yes I have. I prefer to have some sort of tactile feedback from my devices, particularly for the nav buttons - but I can't believe how bad they are in this phone so just turned them off across the board. Shame really.