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HTC Touch Pro?

Anyone ever heard of this device? Basically, it appears that its a touch diamond with a sliding keyboard. Notice i didnt say qwerty keyboard as it has a 5th row of keys that have the numbers on the top row, similar to a PC keyboard. And it also appears it has 4 arrow keys as well, the only major thing it doesnt seem to have is a 10-key, so it more resembles most laptop keyboards (although signifigantly smaller) sooo...... here's to me hoping t-mobile releases this device, expected to be released in Q4 in north america and latin america. here's a little article i found about it, with one pic in the article
http://blogs.zdnet.com/mobile-gadgeteer/?p=1155

I'm looking forward to this device as well. I have been waiting patiently for something new? Is this going to work with tmo 3g?

gottifour said:
I'm looking forward to this device as well. I have been waiting patiently for something new? Is this going to work with tmo 3g?
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Ya I think it should by the way, I think that the 3G might be delayed for a while longer, thats what I heard from a Tmobile Representative.

It sure looks nice, but that's the problem for me. I couldn't keep one of those new, piano-black phones in good-looking condition for long. That's one BIG reason I like the DASH.

Agreed, I work in the elements for a living. I have to keep my phone in the van or my pocket, so one of these things would look like crap in about a month, and that's if I tried really hard.

yah thats true, its hard to keep the dash looking nice to lol...

this touch pro is a relief. when i learned of the touch diamond not having an external memory slot, i felt it was not worth it. but the touch pro DOES have it, which is a huge plus along with the slide keyboard. but now i noticed in the specs that the touch pro's colours are 65,536 compared to the touch diamond with 262,144. what the hell's all that about??? now im once again discouraged because of this difference. still would test drive it though.
oh and by the way, use the dash for primary use, and the touch series for "pimpin" occassions. hahaha... that would help keep your new phone lookin clean.
T-Mobile MDA Vario IV:
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/specs.php?id=2522
T-Mobile MDA Compact IV:
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/specs.php?id=2521

It's the HTC diamond with keyboard codename raphael. The regular diamond is pokey from what I have read about it so far. Engadget or Gizmodo has one, they aren't happy.

Release Date and User Manual for ATT TILT 2 aka Touch Pro 2 aka Fortress

From a very reliable source it seems we can expect the Touch Pro 2 to release with ATT in October 2009.
So save up your cash!
I'm very confident that my intel is solid. I'll see if I can get a pricing quote and exact date soon and post.
Been waiting for the chance to contribute to XDA. Hopefully this tibdit will be a good start, until I learn to cook!!
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Just saw some of the posts regarding the keyboard and button layout and such.
I primarily checked out the new icon based HTC theme, the keyboard was large standard querty and very similar to the LG Xenon's at ATT if you want a good comparison (but bigger of course).
I'll inquire about the PTT button/functionality and other questions and post.
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9/3/09 update
1 - 3.5 Audio Jack - confirmed?? -> probably not, as per manual, box comes with 3.5mm adapter!!
2 - HTC TF 3D fully integrated icon based interface
Also late september may be the time...we shall see
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10/5/2009
It seems my call on this was on point!
At this point the official release date seems to be 10/8/09. This is the target for the phones to hit distribution. Hopefully this means it will hit stores on this date as well
Here is some more information I was able to dig up:
1—PTT is available on the Tilt 2, not the Pure. It is a standard button on the side below the volume keys and can be reprogrammed if the customer didn’t want to use the PTT feature.
2—The Tilt 2 has a full sliding 5-row qwerty keyboard customized by ATT.
3—Opera browser offering Push Internet capability (no waiting for the page to load) and also the latest Internet Explorer Mobile w/Flash support. Opera is the default browser, IE still in OS as alternate browser.
4—Integrated Facebook and Flickr. If your contacts update either of those sites, it’s automatically updated for you on their contact card.
"Tilt 2 Manual"......... ENJOY!!!
4shared link for manual:
http://www.4shared.com/file/137920703/493fc8a9/HTC_Tilt_2_User_Guide.html
Rapidshare link for the manual (thanks for the hosting SaltyDawg, good for 10 dls).
http://rapidshare.com/files/28923844...Guide.pdf.html

seriously?? OCTOBER?? I was hoping it wouldn't be that late. after it went from supposedly being released in october to august, I was hoping it just stay at august. man AT&T does NOT know how to satisfy their customers.

yea, I agree the wait sucks. Makes sense though since ATT has usually releases new HTC stuff in the mid to late 4th quarter, despite all the online rumors that claim late summer releases. But I saw the Touch Pro 2 live and in action, and the new interface and larger screen are definitely worth it.
Besides, The tiny screen on my Fuze is killing me!
My kingdom for more screen real estate...

lol at least you have a relatively new phone! my tilt is frustrating me to no end! I can't even use n onscreen keyboard like fingertouch pro cos the phone won't recognize certain presses. so instead of typing 'phone' i'll get 'pjine'. it doesn't even have a g sensor! so when im bored I can't even play teeter or any of those boredeom-fighting games that utilize a g sensor.
but I agree, the TP2 will be worth it. completely.

I doubt we will have to wait until October. Historically, AT&T has released HTC phones 4-6 weeks after they were released to our friends across the pond. This is one of the most highly anticipated phones of the year, do you think AT&T would want to risk losing potential customers to Verizon or T-Mobile who are likely to release it in August? Also, if that spec sheet we saw on the Fortress a while back was real, then AT&T initially had plans to release this device almost two months ago.

I hope what you say comes true. shorter wait would be nice.
Keep in mind the Diamond 2 is releasing with ATT as well. Would make sense financially for them not to release 2 HTC phones simultaneously and have the sales bump heads. Look at the Windows Mobile lineup going back, they don't normally have 2 HTC pocket PC's on the the roster at once.

poppinpengawen said:
lol at least you have a relatively new phone! my tilt is frustrating me to no end! I can't even use n onscreen keyboard like fingertouch pro cos the phone won't recognize certain presses. so instead of typing 'phone' i'll get 'pjine'. it doesn't even have a g sensor! so when im bored I can't even play teeter or any of those boredeom-fighting games that utilize a g sensor.
but I agree, the TP2 will be worth it. completely.
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Ahh I had the tilt and loved it. Still have but mic went out :/
now going to use it to play with rom cooking and apps etc. Downloading the new Developer kits from MS as we speak.
Dont the xda chefs have win 6.5 and tf3d and all running on the tilt by now? that wouldn't help with that touch issue?
Can't wait till more games and apps come out for winmo utilizing the g-sensor will def need that for these upcoming devices.

MrFire said:
Ahh I had the tilt and loved it. Still have but mic went out :/
now going to use it to play with rom cooking and etc. Downloading the new Developer kits from MS as we speak.
Can't wait till more games and apps come out for winmo utilizing the g-sensor.
Don't some xda chefs have 6.5 and TF3d running on it?
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yea there are WM 6.5 roms and TF3D (more like TF2D) roms out there. I've used a big handful of them. I steered away from 6.5 due to the fact that it doesn't run quite as well as I'd like it to on my tilt. I like the simple look of it, but I just don't like how I have to install different .cab files in order to add a program launcher and people tab and other tabs are readily available with every ROM that runs 6.1.
but yes, an earlier release date would be great! I'm getting tired of waiting...I've been waiting since january/february and it's getting harder lol

Can u ask ur source if the at&t version will have the 3.5mm jack? That would make it worth the wait

MrFire said:
From a very reliable source it seems we can expect the Touch Pro 2 to release with ATT in October 2009.
So save up your cash!
I'm very confident that my intel is solid. I'll see if I can get a pricing quote and exact date soon and post.
Been waiting for the chance to contribute to XDA. Hopefully this tibdit will be a good start, until I learn to cook!!
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Did it have a ptt button? Also, how's the keyboard? any weird/swapped key layouts? Is the number row intact?

omaralt said:
Can u ask ur source if the at&t version will have the 3.5mm jack? That would make it worth the wait
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After seeing this thread, this was the same question I wanted to ask. It would be real nice and worth the wait if 3.5 mm jack is included.

Cripes, 2 extra months for that, though.... Ugh.

since WM6.5 is getting closer to an official release, do you guys think that ATT's TP2 will be released with WM6.5 out of box?
as far as I know, the 3.5 mm headphone jack is only going to be included on CDMA variants.

If they do indeed hold off until an October release (ugh), that could very well be. WMPU says as much.
The latest builds from Da_G and others (21925 and 21928) include some of the new UI components and rumoured AT&T version of The HTC Touch Pro 2 and Touch Diamond 2 will also get updates to WM6.5.1.
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my friend at ATT hes district manager said august 17th-august 24th...i hope hes right...he was right bout the Fuze...i really want to start playing with a new device...but Touch Pro 2 HardSPL has not release so i dont mind the wait too much

I also talked to a friend of mine in ATT management, he went up the the chain of command for me and came back to tell me that no one is talking about the TP2, or should I say they are not letting the info come down the chain. The reason is the iPhone, it's sales are so strong they do not want another device taking away from it. They are also wanting all their sales people to focus on that phone. So Oct sounds right, maybe even Nov to help their end of year sales and Christmas sales.

I talked to a friend of mine in ATT management. He talked his supervisor into going up the management chain. He said that his supervisor said that the regional manager said that they were due in November 2011.
Hey, I can totally do that, too!

I talked to a friend of mine in ATT management. He talked his supervisor into going up the management chain. He said that his supervisor said that the regional manager said that they were due in November 2011.
Hey, I can totally do that, too!
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2011?!?! screw that, if that's the case then I'm just gonna save a couple hundred more and buy and unlocked model. let's hope it'll get released when it's still 2009

you know what guys. I am going to apply on a job with AT&T, and I'm going to find when is the release date by my self. How is that sound?!!
its better than reading "I have a friend at ATT that said....."

poppinpengawen said:
2011?!?! screw that, if that's the case then I'm just gonna save a couple hundred more and buy and unlocked model. let's hope it'll get released when it's still 2009
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I think this is what I am going to do next month because this month I'm totally broke from buying a car. Beside I don't think that the AT&t version is going to look as nice as the unlock one. Did you see how ugly is the T-mobile version? It doesn't look business at all. I prefer paying more money to get the good original nice looking. Also, I don't know why I have this feeling that ATT will mess with keyboard. This feeling is like %93. have a look at the all ATT's phone, they have the same numeric layout. They feel like this is "our look"

Touch Pro 2 or HD2?

Hi,
I live in Sydney, Australia.
I've owned a HTC Topaz until i sold it to my dad to upgrade to a better HTC phone.
I'm tossing up between waiting until the 11th of November and ordering the HTC HD2 from www.clove.co.uk or to purchase a Touch Pro 2 from ebay.
I just require general advice on which would be a better investment.
Background:
Engineering Student, requiring a smartphone that can organise a busy lifestyle and last a few years without hassles.
Thanks,
Harry.

HD2 without a doubt. plus the specs garantee that it wont be outdated in a while... unlike the TP2 since a 528 CPU will only take you so far
depends if you need a Keyboard mostly

Thanks Mike, that was one hell of a quick response.
After the Topaz I was itching for a keyboard, but i think you're right.
The snapdragon processor will last quite some time and it outweighs my need for a keyboard.
I'm sure HTC can fit a decent touch keyboard on a 4.3 inch screen.

Plus if you're ever doing major work on it, you can just buy a bluetooth keyboard for it.
Still don't know about the capacitive touch screen. Most devices I've played with that have them seem to be too sensitive and at the same time less accurate.
I wish they were releasing the HD2 in the US.

Could i get one more piece of advise please - which site would be the best to buy the HD2?
Reasonable postage + pricing would be great.

ZUUL42 said:
Plus if you're ever doing major work on it, you can just buy a bluetooth keyboard for it.
Still don't know about the capacitive touch screen. Most devices I've played with that have them seem to be too sensitive and at the same time less accurate.
I wish they were releasing the HD2 in the US.
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they are. Q1 2010 actually

harryrao said:
Hi,
I live in Sydney, Australia.
I've owned a HTC Topaz until i sold it to my dad to upgrade to a better HTC phone.
I'm tossing up between waiting until the 11th of November and ordering the HTC HD2 from www.clove.co.uk or to purchase a Touch Pro 2 from ebay.
I just require general advice on which would be a better investment.
Background:
Engineering Student, requiring a smartphone that can organise a busy lifestyle and last a few years without hassles.
Thanks,
Harry.
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the keyboard on the TP2 is great...have used onscreen keyboards for the last 5 years and now would not go back ...if you do a lot of text input (emails etc) then go a TP2 plus the business slant is great for organising work and play... the real question should be, want a real keyboard or not... the speed of text input will out play any gain by the faster processor of the HD2... now a HD2 with a TP2 type keyboard & under 170 gms... that would be a killer device

No hardware kwyboard
Not an option for me
TP2 is the best hardware keyboard device to this date

I have the TP2 from Telstra and really like the phone. It has the keyboard which is the main reason for me choosing it. Apart from this, the phone's screen is big and bright. And the performance is snappy. What I don't like is the Telstra theme. But I have changed to a Hero theme which I am very pleased with. So all in all, I am happy with my choice.

HD2 is just a TP2 with out a keyboard (as bloggers who have it are saying)
Ok you get a more ram with the HD2 and a thin device (kinda)
But you pretty much just between Keyboard + touchscreen or no keyboard and full touchscreen
at the end of the day its up to you. pick what you want.. remember your on a forum with users who have both devices and going to stand behind they phone and defend it so all you going to hear is users with HD2 saying "GET THE HD2" and users with TP saying the same thing

actually , i use the hardware kwyboard rarely...
but it looks cool , so i choose TP2

HD2 its in a league of its own. Its super fast and responsive. If you want to have great performance and impress your friends go for the HD2. I want the TP2 for the keyboard.
PS: The HD1 has the requirements for an upgrade to Windows Mobile 7, so that might be a plus too.

What Phone Will Make You Ditch Your Touch Pro 2 For Good?

Ive Had My Touch Pro 2 For A Year And Some Change. Ive Had Some Fun Modding And Androidding It (LOL) But Its Time For Me To Move On To A Faster Phone That Will Take On WinMo 7 And Have A Business Phone On The Side. I Will Be Moving Over To The HTC Leo Forum (HTC HD 2) Next Week When T-Mobile Releases It And I Will Have A BB 9000 As My Backup.How Many Of You Are Moving On Soon? And To What Phone/PDA? Will You Keep Your Touch Pro 2 As A Backup? Yes? No? Why?

charlieb620 said:
Ive Had My Touch Pro 2 For A Year And Some Change. Ive Had Some Fun Modding And Androidding It (LOL) But Its Time For Me To Move On To A Faster Phone That Will Take On WinMo 7 And Have A Business Phone On The Side. I Will Be Moving Over To The HTC Leo Forum (HTC HD 2) Next Week When T-Mobile Releases It And I Will Have A BB 9000 As My Backup.How Many Of You Are Moving On Soon? And To What Phone/PDA? Will You Keep Your Touch Pro 2 As A Backup? Yes? No? Why?
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No matter what phone I move to and when, the one thing I'm going to hold on to is the keyboard from my TP2....I fully intend to frankenstein it onto any device I may use in the future
Point being....I won't be changing devices until (unless) somebody releases another WM unit with specs at least as strong as the HD2, AND a keyboard as good as the TP2's. 'Till then, I'll be happily thumb-dancing away, Rhodium-style!!

Touch Pro Keyboard With HD Screen
sirphunkee said:
No matter what phone I move to and when, the one thing I'm going to hold on to is the keyboard from my TP2....I fully intend to frankenstein it onto any device I may use in the future
Point being....I won't be changing devices until (unless) somebody releases another WM unit with specs at least as strong as the HD2, AND a keyboard as good as the TP2's. 'Till then, I'll be happily thumb-dancing away, Rhodium-style!!
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Me And My Friend Was Talking Yesterday And He Said He Wants The Touch Pro 3 To Be The HD2 Screen/Specs With The Touch Pro 2 Keyboard. I Think That Would Make Me Come Back. But The Touch Pro 2 Is Not Fast Enough For Me. I Wish It Could Be Overclocked.

HTC Desire already preordered...
I'll certainly miss the awesome hardware keyboard and tilting screen.
Problem with the TP2 is not the hardware for me. It's just WinMo. I've been on this platform ever since my Touch Dual a couple years ago and I know it's very capable. But the platform is outdated.
I hope WinMo7 turns out to be as revolutionary as M$ claims it will be. In the meantime, I'll be jumping ship to Android for now...

The Nexus One did it. I sold my X1 for a tilt2 after the t-mobile only Nexus one was announced. It took about 45 minutes for me to pick up one of the AT&T Nexus Ones after it was announced today. I've been running Android recently to see how I liked it, and it wins for me over WinMo.

I'm willing to adopt any Windows Phone Series 7, keyboard or not. I say calm down on all the phones now, b/c the whole landscape as we know it will be changed by 1/1/11..
but yeah, this elusive TP3 would be nice..since a WPS7 phone can have a keyboard as seen by the LG, hopefully they're holding off for that..

im going to consider an hd2 in the future. i was thinking to get it much sooner, but ill wait a bit for the prices to come down. the tmo version has a really low price and should lower the price of the t9193. if i do, i will miss the keyboard and the speaker. but damn, that screen. it could make an iphone user commit suicide.

The Jack of Clubs said:
it could make an iphone user commit suicide.
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That could only be proven with thorough, extensive testing. And then more testing. In fact, here, let me give you a hand with that

I am actually considering the AT&T compatible Nexus One. If it had a keyboard I wouldn't have to even think about it.

I am torn between the HD2 and the Desire. I haven't given up on WinMo yet, although I am disheartened by what I have seen of Windows Phone 7.
I also have a Toshiba TG01 which, although a flawed device, has convinced me that my next phone must have a 1GHz Snapdragon or better.

HD2
I definitely need something with a little more processor, so I've been thinking about the HD2. I will miss the keyboard some, but I've got so used to using swype, I don't think I'll miss it that much.

I really like my TP2, but I've even more so loved the Android OS - even though it doesn't totally work. If I could get an Android OS phone, with front cam, back cam, wifi, BT, FM radio w/ RDS, and a physical kb, I'd sell the TP2 in a heartbeat. I'm so over the winmo OS, and the new microsoft version doesn't look any better. Android OS please!

I love my Rhodium tooooooooo much to move onto another device.
When the time comes to renew my contract I'll probably get an HD2.
But I'll use my Rhodium as a phone. And the HD2 as a toy

i like my tp2. but as soon as us cellular gets something with more speed and not windows 7. ill be jumping ship. prob to android. ive read all the findings at mix 10 on windows 7. and i will be goin to android. windows 7 looks great. but its lockd down. and all they stopped us from doing with it. its not worth the wait. so bye bye wmo.

T-Mo HD2 next week will be replacing my TP2 which replaced my G1 which replaced my Wing.
Looks like a 6 month cycle.

I wish VZW would come out w/ the HD2...I might go with the Nexus one or this thing:
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Saygus-Vphone-phone-pa_4463.html
I also like the HTC Incredible for vzw, it looks like HD2 hardware w/ android. Most likely i'll keep the keyboard and go w/ a saygus if anything (although chances are I wont get a new phone)

I keep looking at the Droid. Figure I'll wait a few months, see what shakes out with (if) the 6.5 update, and then move over to the Droid. I'm out of contract now with Sprint, and they don't seem particularly to care if people leave.

I am getting the HD2 for sure, I will keep my TP2 just to mess around with it but I have tested the Tmo HD2 a few times at my local store and I love it. I am just watching the time tick by until next Wednesday and I will be joining you in the NRG HD2 forum

TP3 only!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have until Summer 2011 before I can upgrade my Touch Pro 2, bear in mind though I kept my Tytn II for 3 and a half years because nothing else fitted form factor wise. I like the fact my screen tilts and the keyboard is phenomenal. It may be a while after my upgrade date it may not be, not forgetting that by then WP7 Series should have fixed all the alleged release issues such as no multi-tasking and no copy and paste, no side loading 3rd party apps, no full USB connectivity, no sd card loading......the list of faults with WP7 series so far is shocking.

What Phone Next

Hi,
Not generally a Touch Pro II question.
I have had a Touch Pro II now for 15 Months and am soon due an upgrade but I can't see any phone on Orange UK that even comes close to the Touch Pro II, Well maybe except for the Desire but think I would rather stick to Windows Mobile.
My upgrade is due in September/October time so is there anything coming out during that time that can compete with the Touch Pro?
Thanks
Graham

I also wanna get a new phone, and would like to know if there's any good phones, with a qwerty keyboard, out there that can beat the TP2? Thanks.

I have a funny feeling the answer will be there isn't

I have exactly the same problem. I have had my Touch Pro 2 for a year and I am due an upgrade on the 10th of August but cant find anything that interests me enough to want to get rid of my Touch Pro 2. I have been to Bestbuy and played with the Desire which is the only thing that tickles my fancy at the moment but I dont think I can live without the hardware keyboard.
I think I am just going to switch to a sim only plan on a 30 day rolling contract and wait till the end of the year to see if HTC release an Android phone with at least a 3.7'' screen and a 5 row keyboard. I was thinking of going for the Motorola Milestone but once you,ve had a 5 row keyboard you,ll never want to go back.

i was gonna jump ship the Samsung Captivate(Galaxy S) because i saw it for free but since i didnt move FAST enough i lost my chance but then yet again id lose my unlimited internet data plan on my account which i dont want!

maybe this one
if it ever goes to production - xda-developers.com/windows-mobile/awesomeness-htc-hd-pro-concept

i'm kinda in the same boat but holding off. Think i'll be moving to android next cuz i'm not too psyched about wp7.
also all my past devices have been with a qwerty keyboard cuz i txt and email a lot but after using my gf's evo and swype, i can easily live with that.
so i guess i'm holding off till theres a gsm variant of the evo :/

I think I will be aiming for this whe its released
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_droid_xtreme-3092.php

mistamikel said:
I think I will be aiming for this whe its released
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_droid_xtreme-3092.php
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I think if I were to get rid of the TP2, then this is what I would get. However, with the TP2 over clocked I am completely satisified.

I think I'll wait for the new htc desire to come out or when htc makes a touch pro 3 with android on it! or maybe an iphone with a slide keyboard hmm..