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Amidst all the furore about the availability of 3 similar crossbow roms for the Universal, I have become increasingly amused by the number of comments from various people in the various threads, complaining about certain things not working, which sometimes work for others and then qualifying their complaints by saying that it is critical that the failing apps work on their devices and are desperate for help....
At the end of the day, if any of your apps are that critical then you shouldn't be upgrading - particularly to Crossbow, as it is very much in its infancy at the moment. I have no doubt that within a short while, the various Rom magicians here will have a number of alternatives available that are 'relatively' stable but anyone who depends on the functions of their Uni to the degree where they cannot survive without them should leave well alone....
Just my opinion
I entirely agree.
Guys, the WM6 roms should not be used.
If you happen to use it, backup first, bolt your windows, and suck it up if you loose your device, your data, or your innocence.
You will of course screw your warranty and a puppy will die. C'est la vie.
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captainsensible2002 said:
Amidst all the furore about the availability of 3 similar crossbow roms for the Universal, I have become increasingly amused by the number of comments from various people in the various threads, complaining about certain things not working, which sometimes work for others and then qualifying their complaints by saying that it is critical that the failing apps work on their devices and are desperate for help....
At the end of the day, if any of your apps are that critical then you shouldn't be upgrading - particularly to Crossbow, as it is very much in its infancy at the moment. I have no doubt that within a short while, the various Rom magicians here will have a number of alternatives available that are 'relatively' stable but anyone who depends on the functions of their Uni to the degree where they cannot survive without them should leave well alone....
Just my opinion
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I agree with you, it was the same situation back in the days when WM5 popped out
How true! By upgrading to WM6, you implicitely accept any shortcomings, bugs, missing functionality etc. Period.
(We should stick something along this line in a large fontsize on both the frontpage and the forum frontend. Maybe even in blinking red
Can I downgrade to WinCE 2.11 and get a version of active sync that will work on Windows for Workgroups 3.11 please?
Just want to make sure I am using something well established with all of the fixes, and years of background knowledge available for it
Oh, and I will need a serial to USB adapter so I can sync hehe.
Well, there are a lot of people around who want to upgrade to WM6 despite the fact that they have no idea what they're doing. If the average user sees an upgrade to a "New OS" they're probably more likely to give it a go than they would if it was just an upgrade for a bugfix or a re-arranged contacts database (rightly or wrongly).
The intelligent ones will do a bit of reading before deciding whether to even attempt the upgrade. But there will always be some who get themselves in a mess because they've rushed into it.
Fortunately, everything they need to know to get themselves out of their mess is on this forum somewhere - Unfortunately it seems many can't even be bothered to search - so the same old quetions are bound to be asked a hundred times over the next couple of weeks...Still, we all try to be helpful, don't we? (Even if it does get tedious at times!).
lol, no, it bugs the hell out of me, hence the reason I posted this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=290234
I was a n00b once, I don't think I posted any lame questions, maybe some, I can't be bothered to go back and look, but from memory, it was only after I couldn't find it with the search that I asked somewhere.
I don't have anything critical I just have to run. Sure, there's software I have bought, and would be irritated if it didn't work immediately after an upgrade, but I am happy to take the risk, I have a Univeral and a Wizard, so I can always use the other if I have problems on one.
It's like this on anything though, something new comes out, everyone thinks they are an instant expert, messes it all up, and then begs for help because they were too lazy and stupid to read a few pages that would have explained it all to them.
Help, I just flashed my Universal to WM7 (Photon) that I downloaded from your website, and now it does not come past the bootscreen anymore ... I need my machine yesterday because my life depends on it, and I did not make a backup and now Microsoft has caused me to ruin my machine causing me to go out of business and you have to help me since I got the rom update from your website!!
(hehehehehe)
Well if you can get to the boot screen, all is not lost.
Get some superglue, and put a few drops into the USB socket.
Plug it in, and give it at least an hour to dry.
Now carefeully hold your device in one hand, and the cable in the other.
Now pull the cable out as fast as you can.
This shold prevent any further upgrading issues, or problems from ever happening to your device again.
Partially I agree, but i mean normal (lame) user who wants to upgrade only to show his palls couple of different # on boot screen. but i think helmi, ivan, indra or all else would never do good,working rom (like ivans aku 3.2, helmi 3.5), which are stable w/o feedback.
worst is here is helluva lot of people with prob."i tried 2 upgr. 2 wm6 & got COUNTRY ID err)
I love wm6 http email function. And somebody get the wm6 messenging in wm5?any hacks?
My mate sent me this, just some info that most people Know.
Testers of Windows Mobile Codenamed Crossbow (or Windows Mobile 6.0) have leaked at least 2 versions of the pre-release online,
According to our source betacollector the pre-release is incomplete, missing a few functions but working fine.
No Windows start orb here, that seems to be cropping up on everywhere on Microsoft software now, but then again WM6 is not yet final -who knows if that will be included in the final release.
The leaked version specs: WM6PreRelease.rar (54177kb) Build date 1/12/2006 (15341.4.2.0) Rom 2.00.02.pv / External Rom 2.02 PDAVIET
Theres also a second one WM6CB.rar weighing in at 59608kb for the MDA Pro / Universal or qtec 9000 that one is older than the above mentioned leak.
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Well if you can get to the boot screen, all is not lost.
Get some superglue, and put a few drops into the USB socket.
Plug it in, and give it at least an hour to dry.
Now carefeully hold your device in one hand, and the cable in the other.
Now pull the cable out as fast as you can.
This shold prevent any further upgrading issues, or problems from ever happening to your device again.
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Hahahahaha!!
Don't try this at home!!
I did an upgrade to WM6 on a fairly new 9000. Took me almost 6 hours to complete. The damn thing got stuck in the bootloader, lost my RADIo ROM, got it "bricked", managed to un-brick it again, lost my EXT. ROM, but at the end, it worked out and now the "damn thing" works fine on a brand new WM6 ROM. Exept for video calling and a few minor bugs I have no complains.....
Moral of the story. I am a man. Men like to do technical stuff. If you do not know what you are doing, stay off the damn thing. If you like to inflict pain on your self, but know what you are doing, just do.
Fooling around with some new gagets is cool. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't........
In my case, it worked out. Me is happy.........
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Well if you can get to the boot screen, all is not lost.
Get some superglue, and put a few drops into the USB socket.
Plug it in, and give it at least an hour to dry.
Now carefeully hold your device in one hand, and the cable in the other.
Now pull the cable out as fast as you can.
This shold prevent any further upgrading issues, or problems from ever happening to your device again.
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errrr .... will this speed up my UMTS connection? I tried searching the board on superglue+umts but I can't find anything ;-)
onlineemails said:
I love wm6 http email function. And somebody get the wm6 messenging in wm5?any hacks?
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I thought it was great until I got two eMails in the space of 3 hours that caused it to crash when trying to view them...
Cheers,
Steve.
It got an limit for email for example 10kb and after that it doesnt get the email in full and you can request to get it full,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1104565#post1104565
I was hype at first... all this new **** comin from a phone that only made calls/texts, everything goin fine.
Now I feel like I soft reset about 5-10 times a day because randomly it'll start reacting unbelievably slow to anything I do (I don't leave programs open), sometimes it'll start only reading every other touch to the screen but when I soft reset all is well again and might be for a day or 2.. or sometimes I'll hit the top right corner for it to show the couple of programs running so I can close some and it won't come down... I'll hit it 3 times, then it'll go up/down a couple times and close again, I'll literally play with it for 5-10mins just to close out a program..
Then I upgrade to V12, every 2nd or 3rd soft reset it completely resets the ROM.. so I go to V11 (I went from V7 to V12).. and my pocketwit, cetwit, none of them work, kinda annoying just because I make music and have followers so I keep people updated and listening. So now I'm back at V10, and I feel like the overall phone is just slow, especially after playing with other peoples blackberries etc.. it's just lacking in everything.
Real disappointed I got ahead of myself and ordered this phone just because it was free, coulda got an older blackberry for free and probably woulda been a lot happier.. and I don't blame it on age of phone because I think it's about 4-6 months old if that.. my problem I'm betting, is I've dropped it maybe 5-7 good times, it's been in a case all but 1-2 but still.. if that's the case I'm never gonna own another phone with these capabilities.. I will always drop phones..
Now days like this after I re-flashed V10 it's running great, got all my programs installed (to storage unless it needs to be to card) I want to take back what I've said but I'm nervous it'll fall through... my only problem is sometimes its not as responsive as I want it to be on the qwerty keyboard (or any really), ill get out couple words then it'll miss a press or two, but everywhere else no problem, going through programs, all that works fine I never have to press more than once.. is there any setting or something? or is it just the phone
what rom are you using? it is either your rom or opertor. My vogue works just fine.
Try using cleanRAM
NFS rom i use.. the 1 on this site, and i use cleanRAM, like i said right now all good.. we'll see though
How many times did you flash the NFS ROM? Try doing X3.
Go back to stock ROM and stop screwing with your phone, then it will work just fine
Nope. I love my xv6900. Best phone I've ever owned. I can tell from the short 2 months I've had it. It runs great, I love all the features, and it's generally not sluggish unless I try to do a ton at once, but that's fixable. The stock ROM isn't so great, but I'm not using that, so who cares!
Go back to NSFAN 6.1 and it should be working fine. WM6.5 is still very unstable. So stop complaining and use something that is proven or use something that is new but still has lots of bugs. The choice is yours.
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I was hype at first... all this new **** comin from a phone that only made calls/texts, everything goin fine.
Now I feel like I soft reset about 5-10 times a day because randomly it'll start reacting unbelievably slow to anything I do (I don't leave programs open), sometimes it'll start only reading every other touch to the screen but when I soft reset all is well again and might be for a day or 2.. or sometimes I'll hit the top right corner for it to show the couple of programs running so I can close some and it won't come down... I'll hit it 3 times, then it'll go up/down a couple times and close again, I'll literally play with it for 5-10mins just to close out a program..
Then I upgrade to V12, every 2nd or 3rd soft reset it completely resets the ROM.. so I go to V11 (I went from V7 to V12).. and my pocketwit, cetwit, none of them work, kinda annoying just because I make music and have followers so I keep people updated and listening. So now I'm back at V10, and I feel like the overall phone is just slow, especially after playing with other peoples blackberries etc.. it's just lacking in everything.
Real disappointed I got ahead of myself and ordered this phone just because it was free, coulda got an older blackberry for free and probably woulda been a lot happier.. and I don't blame it on age of phone because I think it's about 4-6 months old if that.. my problem I'm betting, is I've dropped it maybe 5-7 good times, it's been in a case all but 1-2 but still.. if that's the case I'm never gonna own another phone with these capabilities.. I will always drop phones..
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j18yo said:
I was hype at first... all this new **** comin from a phone that only made calls/texts, everything goin fine.
Now I feel like I soft reset about 5-10 times a day because randomly it'll start reacting unbelievably slow to anything I do (I don't leave programs open), sometimes it'll start only reading every other touch to the screen but when I soft reset all is well again and might be for a day or 2.. or sometimes I'll hit the top right corner for it to show the couple of programs running so I can close some and it won't come down... I'll hit it 3 times, then it'll go up/down a couple times and close again, I'll literally play with it for 5-10mins just to close out a program..
Then I upgrade to V12, every 2nd or 3rd soft reset it completely resets the ROM.. so I go to V11 (I went from V7 to V12).. and my pocketwit, cetwit, none of them work, kinda annoying just because I make music and have followers so I keep people updated and listening. So now I'm back at V10, and I feel like the overall phone is just slow, especially after playing with other peoples blackberries etc.. it's just lacking in everything.
Real disappointed I got ahead of myself and ordered this phone just because it was free, coulda got an older blackberry for free and probably woulda been a lot happier.. and I don't blame it on age of phone because I think it's about 4-6 months old if that.. my problem I'm betting, is I've dropped it maybe 5-7 good times, it's been in a case all but 1-2 but still.. if that's the case I'm never gonna own another phone with these capabilities.. I will always drop phones..
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I had a similar issue too! Though after about a weeks worth of troubleshooting and almost 20+ purposeful and accidental hard resets (sometimes a soft-reset would just hard reset it anyways) I found out the issue was with the auto updates with the email. (I had recently gotten an unlimited data plan) For some reason if my email is set to anything but update manually it would eventuallyfreeze on wake up or while starting another program. Idk if its an issue with sprint, or with any other programs I installed............... Anyways the touch is a great device its reliable and speedy. Plus it survived falling off a car at 30 miles per hour with only a few scratches on the side of the body.
I will say I have had mine for over a year now. I think its one of the best out there. V12 has a battery life like I have never experienced. 1 think you might try is to go into the Task manager and set the close button to close the program instead of minimizing it. Might help. KB is always a bit sluggish, but that might be 6.5.
j18yo: When you flash a new ROM, do you flash it 3 times in a row before using it?
I've never had to do this, but it's a known issue for some users, so I would recommend downgrading to a stock ROM, then flash v12 three times in a row (it's mentioned in codybear's FAQ as well).
A friend of mine with a Vogue (also on Bell) was running into similar problems, but when I suggested he do the multiple flashes before using, it's worked well for him. Maybe there's cruft sticking around in memory on some devices that's causing the issue?
im on my 2nd touch vogue and i love it but it's time for me to move on to another, newer ppc like a diamond or touch pro!
i've had my xv6900 for a week now running nfsfan's 6.5 rom v12. it runs pretty smooth other than minor glitches here and there all in all its a pretty fast overall phone
Have been Running 6.5 since NFS's Version 1. and have never really had reason to look back to 6.1.
6.5 is very user friendly by this I mean anyone could pick up a 6.5 phone and figure it out. 6.1 I don't think it was this way.
I am currently running v12 and have not soft rested my phone in probably over a week.
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yeah...? so you answered your own question. I don't understand the point of this thread. WHY???
Might be the extra good that im toookin or lack of poopin im not shootin but, damn, seriously someone just hit me with a tard of the week class or something.
I have booted andy on my tp2 before and prefer it over WM... sometimes... but for that i am barely holding on to I can't seem to remember what the hell I did to my startup txt and cant find the damn thing anywhere. I might be over looking but have tried here, there, overthere, and even at my grandmas house (she doesnt even use a computer. that is how confused I am).
So for my sake, can someone PLEASE shoot me with the startup txt that is working for them on a TMO TP2. or at least the kb settings.
why not just use the .cab with the startup tool and have it do everything for you automatically?
I was thinkn the same thing ;-)
i did... but i think it is cheating
did last night. gave up and just decided to go with the .cab and have some 2.1 fun but, I feel like I am cheating on WM when I see the android chilling in the start menu. It is like cheating on my hardtail when I use a full squishy when I travel outside of texas.
damn that was a bunch of Ieyezzz. lol
anyways, downloaded the updates and everything is fine. came across data problems but figured it out right before the wife told me to hit the sack before i call in to work. =)
I like this thread, you are funny.
I ahve been running mightyrom on my tp2 with Cricket. I let it get wet, (a wet towel got thrown on it), and now I have a tri color with errors when turning it back on. I was actually relieved to see something, cause it took a day of it sitting on an AC to get it to do ANYTHING.
Now, the error reads Microp(led) wrong plat (0x0). I figure I lost everything, but now am just trying to salvage the phone.
So the question is, where do I start from here?
I would be happy just to get it working again, but its not a normal starting point and I don't want to do more harm not knowing where to start
Now I have another question as well, just because I'm greedy I'm probably being foolish, but nonetheless, I'll ask it. Would there be any benefit to moving towards android? I know I have been able to save desktops, and hard drives using linux, would this make it easier, harder, etc....?
I did look through the forums, but this seems to be a kind of unique starting point, and the android is new to me as well.
Thanks in advance for any help, and thanks for all the help in the past.
Nick
nickyjpd said:
I ahve been running mightyrom on my tp2 with Cricket. I let it get wet, (a wet towel got thrown on it), and now I have a tri color with errors when turning it back on. I was actually relieved to see something, cause it took a day of it sitting on an AC to get it to do ANYTHING.
Now, the error reads Microp(led) wrong plat (0x0). I figure I lost everything, but now am just trying to salvage the phone.
So the question is, where do I start from here?
I would be happy just to get it working again, but its not a normal starting point and I don't want to do more harm not knowing where to start
Now I have another question as well, just because I'm greedy I'm probably being foolish, but nonetheless, I'll ask it. Would there be any benefit to moving towards android? I know I have been able to save desktops, and hard drives using linux, would this make it easier, harder, etc....?
I did look through the forums, but this seems to be a kind of unique starting point, and the android is new to me as well.
Thanks in advance for any help, and thanks for all the help in the past.
Nick
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First off this is in the COMPLETELY wrong forum. This is the Android port forum, not the Windows Mobile ROM forum. Please for future reference double check you are posting in the correct forum.
If you are still getting boot loader (tri color screen) then not all hope is lost. You need to get the stock TP2 rom for whatever company's TP2 you have (tmobile, att, etc) not a cooked rom the STOCK rom, from the TP2 Wiki. if you can get your phone to at least connect to USB (when on the tri color screen it will say "usb" on the very bottom if its got a working connection) then you may be able to run the stock rom to save it.
It could still be broken tho, water damage is a funny thing sometimes.
ok long story short. never flashed a kernal before but i decided to try cm10 and went with the gingerbread build and so i flashed the kernal and cm10 compatible rom. it wasnt running very well so i flashed back to the froyo kernal and the compatible cm10 rom.
all was ok but i wanted to go back to cm7 because the phone was considerably faster and so...
today tried to restore one of my cm7 kang back ups from recovery and the phone died. i think what happened is i got mixed up with the back ups and i must have restored the gingerbread cm10 first and without realiszing it flashed the cm7 with a froyo kernal and bang we have a dead phone. it simply wouldnt boot past the google lettering and so when i got home i decided to flash a full sbf and start from scratch however when i tired i got the dreaded battery low error so i followed this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=892026
and it worked but rsd lite didnt show my phone. there was simply nothing there when i started it. all very annoying so i uninstalled everything and by the time i started again i got the message battery low.
so my question is can mcgyver work if the battery is actually really low say 10-20 per cent or less?
is it worth buying a new fully charged battery and using that?
why wouldnt rsd lite recognize my phone?
is there anyway to charge the battery when it is like this?
nb. i am running windows 7 sp1 and have installed the latest drivers and rsd lite am my phone is a moto defy m525 red lense.
all very annoying and in five years of rooting and flashing i have never been in a situation where i couldnt recover it. too be honest i have been here before with the defy but i had a spare battery and a proper wall charger and so that was problem solved but i dont own them anymore and i am now not sure/ cant remember if a simple full battery will help hence the questions.
In theory it should work. You are supplying the terminals with the intended 5V and a ground.
However it is recommended to charge your battery, use an external battery charger and then flash the SBF. Its hell of a risk trying to flash SBF with low battery. The phone may actually brick with no way to restore it.
it is strange but using the mcgyver method i can get the bootloader ready to program i simply cant get rsd lite to see my phone and neither does windows. there are loads of posts and threads on this but not many (none actually when the situation i am is mentioned) offer a solution.
so i have ordered a new battery which will hopefully arrive tomorrow and i will see how we get on from there.
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it is strange but using the mcgyver method i can get the bootloader ready to program i simply cant get rsd lite to see my phone and neither does windows. there are loads of posts and threads on this but not many (none actually when the situation i am is mentioned) offer a solution.
so i have ordered a new battery which will hopefully arrive tomorrow and i will see how we get on from there.
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do u have blank flash mode enabled in rsd?
does defy show up in device manager?
try switching usb ports
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doh!
amazing i simply used another cable and usb port and then i had to unplug it and plug it again and drivers started to be installed. (i had already installed motos drivers but hey windows wanted more!).
i also went back to the older 4.9 version of rsd lite. it has been a long long time since i have had to do this. installing nordic and will try and install one of my other back ups. all should be well very soon fingers crossed.
looks like the spare battery i bought will be going back then. oh well.
cheers mate your post prompted me to try again and just tinker and it worked so appreciate that.
edit: seems a bit stuck and i am now a little unsure what to do. the android bootscreen is stuck and rsd lite is saying maually power up this phone. i am a little concerned because it is still saying in process even though it has flashed the sbf. i have tried turning it off and nothing happens. it looks like i am actually going to have to unplug the cables remove the mgyver wires and take out the battery and boot it.
bollox. it is dead again so i have to start again. trying a different sbf this time. not sure what happened there. maybe i was too impatient?
honestly not sure what is happening here. i have tried a standard blurred sbf 2.2 and the phone is now stuck on the m animation and rsd lite iks omce again saying manually start this phone. what in the world do i do next?
ah god i will have to do some more reading because it is ****ed. i now have a white light and black screen. rsd lite just remained stuck at 100 per cent in process and manually boot your phone. have tried it three times and that is all i get. not sure if it is because i am flashing froyo sbfs when i have had a 2.3 kernal on the device? it is why i have avoided flashing them in the first place and the first time i ever do bang i get a bricked phone when i try to restore it back to cm7. the phone came with 2.1 so should i be flashing them?
very boring and very very annoying.
getting quite tired of this little game and am on the brink of buying another phone.
ok i have a red lense defy and after much reading i have realised that i must be flashing the wrong sbfs now call me stupid but i actually am very confused about which one i need to flash.
i started on 2.1 originally then i flashed 2.2 and then stuck cm7 on the phone with a froyo kernal. however when i upgraded to cm10 i tried the 2.3 kernal.
so with this background in mind will this work???
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1595013
can i follow this to flash the sbf and get root?
or is there another sbf i need to flash. all i need to be able to do is root the phone and install cwm and then i can flash one of my back ups (properly this time).
rockmonkey1973 said:
ok i have a red lense defy and after much reading i have realised that i must be flashing the wrong sbfs now call me stupid but i actually am very confused about which one i need to flash.
i started on 2.1 originally then i flashed 2.2 and then stuck cm7 on the phone with a froyo kernal. however when i upgraded to cm10 i tried the 2.3 kernal.
so with this background in mind will this work???
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1595013
can i follow this to flash the sbf and get root?
or is there another sbf i need to flash. all i need to be able to do is root the phone and install cwm and then i can flash one of my back ups (properly this time).
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Thats for BL7.. Some Defy+ with 2.3.6 were BL7. You definitely don't need to flash it..
Just flash the last SBF that worked for you..
neo.ank said:
Thats for BL7.. Some Defy+ with 2.3.6 were BL7. You definitely don't need to flash it..
Just flash the last SBF that worked for you..
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yes mate i did the last sbf i flashed over a year ago was nordic and i got the error as listed above. have no idea what i am doing wrong but i must be doing something. trouble is the new battery has arrived and i have already tried a new sbf and still getting the same problem... manually need to reboot the phone.
bit worrying because obviously i will only have a certain number of tries before this new battery dies on me.
edit: absolutely annoying. part of the problem with the guides on here are that they are mostly incomplete. they dont actually tell you everything you need to do. take for instance this the guide for unbricking
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1828639
it is totally useless because what he fails to mention is that
to boot into stock recovery you need to hold down the volume button when you power on the phone and you will get a droid with an exclamation mark and then you need to hold down both the volume up and down buttons which after a few seconds will take you to stock recovery. then you can wipe cache etc and the phone will boot. i found this out here (notice how people are telling the guy to simply flash a new sbf!)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1608812
the mad thing is if i had found that simple post just above and knew about the up and down volume buttons i would have fixed the defy on the very first try. that is what is so annoying about this situation.
ok
red lense defy.
long story short i flashed one of the bl7 defy plus gingerbread sbfs.
so i have gone through the root procedure by installing the rooted sbf in rsd lite and then i can install 2nd init 2.0.3 and can get a custom recovery installed.
but every time i try to install cm7.2 euro skank it reverts back to the bootloader. here is what i have done twice in recovery with the exact same result.
wipe cache, data, dalvik and battery stats/ flash cm7 froyo kernal/ then flash the rom/ then flash gapps and then wipe again and then reboot.
when the phone starts again i am once again back to the bootloader and i have to start all over again.
so a very simple question from the position i am in what exactly do i need to do to get cm7 running on the phone.
double post but there are worse crimes!
ok so i have realised that i am stuck on the gingerbread kernal and that any froyo based rom is not gonna work.
wow how did i end up here! bloody hell that is what happens when you start getting ****ed off with the phone not doing what you think it should. anyways it is done now and i have cm7 all up and running and have even been able to make a back up so that if anything happens in the future when i am experimenting then i have a decent base from which to start. everything is working including the camera data wifi calls and well everything except...
i have one all rather serious problem that i really need to get sorted (this is it if i can fix this then i can leave the phone alone).
my battery is not recognized. now the phone runs on the battery which is a big step up from before where i was literally having to leave it plugged in just to keep it on. but the battery icon at the top is displaying a question markn and i dont know if it is charging or not. i also have no idea how much battery is left.
i have flashed both the defy red lense ics battery zip and the defy plus battery fix and i wiped cache dalvik and battery stats before i flashed them and the cache after but neither of these worked.
anyone actually care to help out here. what do i need to do to get my battery recognized? seriously if you know then please share because i have wasted a day and a half on this and through sheer frustration dug myself into a huge hole and it took ages to climb out.
all i am asking for is a bit of guidance from someone who actually knows what they are talking about. if that sounds like you do me a favour and simply tell me what i should do because i am now totally and utterly stumped.
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rockmonkey1973 said:
yes mate i did the last sbf i flashed over a year ago was nordic and i got the error as listed above. have no idea what i am doing wrong but i must be doing something. trouble is the new battery has arrived and i have already tried a new sbf and still getting the same problem... manually need to reboot the phone.
bit worrying because obviously i will only have a certain number of tries before this new battery dies on me.
edit: absolutely annoying. part of the problem with the guides on here are that they are mostly incomplete. they dont actually tell you everything you need to do. take for instance this the guide for unbricking
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1828639
it is totally useless because what he fails to mention is that
to boot into stock recovery you need to hold down the volume button when you power on the phone and you will get a droid with an exclamation mark and then you need to hold down both the volume up and down buttons which after a few seconds will take you to stock recovery. then you can wipe cache etc and the phone will boot. i found this out here (notice how people are telling the guy to simply flash a new sbf!)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1608812
the mad thing is if i had found that simple post just above and knew about the up and down volume buttons i would have fixed the defy on the very first try. that is what is so annoying about this situation.
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rockmonkey1973 said:
double post but there are worse crimes!
ok so i have realised that i am stuck on the gingerbread kernal and that any froyo based rom is not gonna work.
wow how did i end up here! bloody hell that is what happens when you start getting ****ed off with the phone not doing what you think it should. anyways it is done now and i have cm7 all up and running and have even been able to make a back up so that if anything happens in the future when i am experimenting then i have a decent base from which to start. everything is working including the camera data wifi calls and well everything except...
i have one all rather serious problem that i really need to get sorted (this is it if i can fix this then i can leave the phone alone).
my battery is not recognized. now the phone runs on the battery which is a big step up from before where i was literally having to leave it plugged in just to keep it on. but the battery icon at the top is displaying a question markn and i dont know if it is charging or not. i also have no idea how much battery is left.
i have flashed both the defy red lense ics battery zip and the defy plus battery fix and i wiped cache dalvik and battery stats before i flashed them and the cache after but neither of these worked.
anyone actually care to help out here. what do i need to do to get my battery recognized? seriously if you know then please share because i have wasted a day and a half on this and through sheer frustration dug myself into a huge hole and it took ages to climb out.
all i am asking for is a bit of guidance from someone who actually knows what they are talking about. if that sounds like you do me a favour and simply tell me what i should do because i am now totally and utterly stumped.
cheers.
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First of all Stop whining about the guides being incomplete. They have helped a lot of people before you and are still helping.. If you mean every post should mention trivial stuff like booting into recovery and wiping data then just imagine the redundancy of the stuff.
If only you were patient enough to read before reacting. Defy Beginner's guide clearly mention 'bout booting into recovery & bootloader so its your folly for not collecting the info before processing..
anyone actually care to help out here. what do i need to do to get my battery recognized? seriously if you know then please share because i have wasted a day and a half on this and through sheer frustration dug myself into a huge hole and it took ages to climb out.
all i am asking for is a bit of guidance from someone who actually knows what they are talking about. if that sounds like you do me a favour and simply tell me what i should do because i am now totally and utterly stumped.
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Don't know what you've wasted your day on, but all I can suggest is flash the battery fix for Defy+. Search for it. not difficult to find.
neo.ank said:
First of all Stop whining about the guides being incomplete. They have helped a lot of people before you and are still helping.. If you mean every post should mention trivial stuff like booting into recovery and wiping data then just imagine the redundancy of the stuff.
If only you were patient enough to read before reacting. Defy Beginner's guide clearly mention 'bout booting into recovery & bootloader so its your folly for not collecting the info before processing..
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whining! i didnt think i was whining although i can get annoyed and sometimes my frustration is vented without thinking. i accept that the phone being where it is is indeed my fault. in fact if i had just left it alone then it would have been running as well as it ever did. i am also a great advocate of the developers who spend there time providing us roms and tools for us to use and i can say hand on heart i appreciate the fine work they do often for free. i am also an avid reader of the guides being a simple bod with very little knowledge of flashing hacking and what not and they have saved my bacon more times than i care to remember over the last four or five years. and so you are spot on the guides help a lot... not just me but many before me and most likely many after and give us mere mortals the chance to stay current with firmware long after the manufacturer has abandoned the phone. so while i may have been complaining rather angrily i was not whining.
the fact is that guide is incomplete. not only is it incomplete but it is the one that is linked to on the wiki as the guide to follow on how to unbrick your phone.
if you are like me a tinkerer who every once in a while likes to try out a new rom and who doesnt know the every inner workings of the procedures and who needs to follow instructions then i think the least you can expect is for the definitive guide to be correct! i mean that isnt too much to ask for is it.
so yes i do expect them to list every basic important step one must follow to fix the phone because that is what instructions do they guide people who dont know what they are doing. that is there sole purpose and if they dont do that job then they should either be edited so they do or deleted.
and yes yesterday i was very annoyed at the fact that the guide i was following does not actually tell you exactly what one should do and i can promise you if it had of done then i would not be in the position i am in it is as simple as that. i mean you cant seriously expect people to think oh right these are the instructions for unbricking the phone but i bet you they aint right so i had better read some more instructions for the same thing... and hey they might not be complete as well so i had better read yet another set just in case. leave it out will you.
at the end of the day it doesnt matter and at the risk of repeating myself i know that if i had left well alone the phone would be fine so ultimately i have no one else to blame but myself. if i had been a little more patient and less stressed wondering why the phone wouldnt boot after what appeared to be a successful flash then i would have got there in the end without being stuck on a gingerbread kernal.
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Don't know what you've wasted your day on, but all I can suggest is flash the battery fix for Defy+. Search for it. not difficult to find.
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well if you had read through this thread then you may have seen i have wasted a day and a half on quite a lot of reading as it goes. you may have also seen that i have flashed 2 battery fixes and that they havent helped. so i am wondering if you know what else i could do to fix the problem? if you do and you dont mind telling me then i would be grateful. if you dont then no big deal... i will read through a few more threads and see if i cant get to the bottom of it.
EDIT: I have reread what i wrote and i take that back the guide is far from useless in fact it is excellent and i mean that. in every other way it is spot on and is the de facto guide to sorting yourself out of a hole. but it does miss out some vital information that (i think at least) really should be there. still water under the bridge and all that. we are were we are and one must move on. bottom line it is only a phone and if it comes to it i will buy another. the only reason i havent actually bought another so far is the buld quality and form factor of the defy is still yet to be bettered. but maybe it is a sign a message from above telling me to move on to pastures new.... although i would still like to fix the battery issue.
ok it is fixed. as i was writing this reply i installed the white rabbit rom (which i read included red lense battery fixes). true to its word there are five downloadable files. i got four (one woudnt download) and rebooted the system and hey presto.
well what a difference a day and a decent nights kip make. and colour me impressed. this rom is a work of genius. i see it is based on euro kangs cm7 effort with a few nice (well actually loads) extras thrown in for good measure. have to say i am really liking it. calls data wifi camera and battery all work and it looks and feels swift and very polished.
so all is well that ends well. and what a journey. man all i wanted to do was restore cm7 from my back ups. flashing the gingerbread based cm10 before i did it i reckon screwed me and i didnt realise what i had done until after when it wouldnt boot. however xda saved the day as it always does (even if it did take me quite a lot time to get there this time round). i may even write a mini guide but then either no one would bother reading it or i would get loads of people whining at me telling me how it aint right so i think i will avoid that little task and leave it to people more brave and knowledgeable than i.
cheers all for the help in this thread, the time taken by others to write stuff down and the people who provide us with some great software for our ageing but still great phone.
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if you need help mate then a little bit more info is gonna be required.
i will say this that i havent quite fixed it completely. i have the rom running sweet as a pie and the phone will work away from a power source but the battery percent/ icon remains locked at 100 per cent so i have no way of knowing if the phone is charging. when i plug it in to my laptop it says usb connected but again it doesnt list it as charging. so i have no way of knowing if the battery is actually getting charged or how much is really left.
i am also far from an expert more a bumbling old timer who rarely posts here unless desperate.
bear all that in mind and i will do all i can to help (provided you specifically say what you want help with)
edit: lmao... i couldnt have picked a worse sbf to flash. amazing. i have been so so careful in all the time i have owned this phone (over a year i reckon now) and i may have finally actually broken it.
i aint even certain i can charge the battery and once it runs down it will simply die. obviously there is hope that someone will come up with a downgrade method at some point in the future but for the time being i think the phone is ****ed.
i will try ics tomorrow and see if i can get any joy there but i think the only way i can now use the phone is to buy an external battery charger. funny really i used to own both a spare battery and a charger for this very reason and yet i sold them when i got rid of the old defy. so i am gonna have to buy one off ebay tomorrow and use it that way. at least then i will be able to use the phone.
rockmonkey1973 said:
if you need help mate then a little bit more info is gonna be required.
i will say this that i havent quite fixed it completely. i have the rom running sweet as a pie and the phone will work away from a power source but the battery percent/ icon remains locked at 100 per cent so i have no way of knowing if the phone is charging. when i plug it in to my laptop it says usb connected but again it doesnt list it as charging. so i have no way of knowing if the battery is actually getting charged or how much is really left.
i am also far from an expert more a bumbling old timer who rarely posts here unless desperate.
bear all that in mind and i will do all i can to help (provided you specifically say what you want help with)
edit: lmao... i couldnt have picked a worse sbf to flash. amazing. i have been so so careful in all the time i have owned this phone (over a year i reckon now) and i may have finally actually broken it.
i aint even certain i can charge the battery and once it runs down it will simply die. obviously there is hope that someone will come up with a downgrade method at some point in the future but for the time being i think the phone is ****ed.
i will try ics tomorrow and see if i can get any joy there but i think the only way i can now use the phone is to buy an external battery charger. funny really i used to own both a spare battery and a charger for this very reason and yet i sold them when i got rid of the old defy. so i am gonna have to buy one off ebay tomorrow and use it that way. at least then i will be able to use the phone.
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You're on BL7 now and there's a reason people advise to avoid it. Most of the fixes and scripts doesn't work with BL7 including the battery fixes.
I'd suggest you to go for Quarx's build for GB kernel (along with the battery fix), Randomly flashing ROMs and fixes won't help.
Moreover, I strongly recommend you to search and read carefully. You're not the first one to face the problem, and there's a solution. Even if you waste(?) a couple of days reading 'bout it, it won't kill your phone, but if you do something out of desperation it might.
neo.ank said:
Moreover, I strongly recommend you to search and read carefully. You're not the first one to face the problem, and there's a solution. Even if you waste(?) a couple of days reading 'bout it, it won't kill your phone, but if you do something out of desperation it might.
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i take it you mean this like in retrospect? of course you are right a deep breath and a walk does wonders for a fuddled head and is far better than simply rushing into the next desperate attempt to repair. however it is easy to say this after the event yes!
the battery wont charge and if i flash another rom it gives me the big battery icon with question mark so i am once again stuck in a corner with no where to go. basically it is ****ed because none of the battery fixes work. the battery works when there is power in it but it just wont charge when in the phone. because the battery ran down last night the only way i can use my phone at the moment is tethered to the mcgyver trick.
so the plan is to buy a separate charger and use that to charge the battery. then i reckon i should be at least able use the phone (although this yet to be tested).
amazing seriously amazing. a year of owning this phone a year of flashing and hacking and being ultra conservative and then all it takes is a few minutes of madness and it is royally screwed. the crying shame about it is that i have installed the best rom i have ever seen in the white rabbit and if the external charger doesnt work i wont get to play with it! still live and learn.
edit: by the way do you know if the mcgyver trick actually charges the battery?
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rockmonkey1973 said:
i take it you mean this like in retrospect? of course you are right a deep breath and a walk does wonders for a fuddled head and is far better than simply rushing into the next desperate attempt to repair. however it is easy to say this after the event yes!
the battery wont charge and if i flash another rom it gives me the big battery icon with question mark so i am once again stuck in a corner with no where to go. basically it is ****ed because none of the battery fixes work. the battery works when there is power in it but it just wont charge when in the phone. because the battery ran down last night the only way i can use my phone at the moment is tethered to the mcgyver trick.
so the plan is to buy a separate charger and use that to charge the battery. then i reckon i should be at least able use the phone (although this yet to be tested).
amazing seriously amazing. a year of owning this phone a year of flashing and hacking and being ultra conservative and then all it takes is a few minutes of madness and it is royally screwed. the crying shame about it is that i have installed the best rom i have ever seen in the white rabbit and if the external charger doesnt work i wont get to play with it! still live and learn.
edit: by the way do you know if the mcgyver trick actually charges the battery?
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The battery fixes replace your battd.bin binary file which stores the info about the battery. Surprisingly there isn't a single binary that work with each phone, it acts weirdly and not sure what fix will work for a particular phone.. I again suggest you, every battery fix you find. You're not the first one to face the problem and its been sorted for many..
Mcgyver just supply the device with intended charge as the battery does. It doesn't charge the battery.
Don't know if you tried this one.
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neo.ank said:
The battery fixes replace your battd.bin binary file which stores the info about the battery. Surprisingly there isn't a single binary that work with each phone, it acts weirdly and not sure what fix will work for a particular phone.. I again suggest you, every battery fix you find. You're not the first one to face the problem and its been sorted for many..
Mcgyver just supply the device with intended charge as the battery does. It doesn't charge the battery.
Don't know if you tried this one.
Defy Red Lens Battery Fix
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i have tried it mate. i have also tired the ics defy red lense and the white rabbit rom had four of them available to download. none of them have worked. basically as it is now the phone will not stay on without the mcgyver leads and the battery wont charge. i have flashed 6 different battery fixes.
edit: it is strange once i have given it a blast on mcgyver for an hour or so i can then use the phone normally. however the battery is locked at 100 per cent and there is no indication it is charging when a usb lead is plugged in. seriously i have tried 6 of the fixes and none have actually worked.
if you are saying there is a fix for this then i would love to know what it is because i havent found one yet.
edit again!!!: ok this is strange because now when i plug it in to a usb lead the green light appears as if it was charging. very very strange this. i mean like really ****ing weird.
final edit: ok i am officially giving up. it has beaten me and for the first time ever i have got myself into a situation that i cant get out of. who would have thought a simple battery would be the cause of so much ****ing grief. anyway. for total clarity.
i am now running white rabbit rom runs great highly recommended and way quicker than the cm10 efforts that are being worked on at the moment. i have tried 6 battery fixes. none work. i am sometimes able to use the phone without being connected to the mcgyver leads but the battery remains locked at 100 per cent. other times the phone dies and the only way to boot it again is the mcgyver leads. if i do that then battery may change to say 25 per cent or even 75 per cent. basically it is all over the shot. i have tried to install another rom and this leads to the exact same thing. if i turn it on without the mcgyver leads i get the battery error. sometimes when connected to the usb port the phone has the led green light like it is charging then other times it doesnt. it is basically well and truly ****ed up.
so i am giving up. i have wasted quite enough time on a phone i have been thinking of changing as it is. i am gonna buy a sensation as a short term replacement. not as nice as the defy form wise but far faster and with a decent modding community so it will do for now. i will return here every now and then to see if someone comes up with a way to downgrade the bl7 but until that happens the phone is gonna gather dust in my drawer.
i think this thread serves as decent guide as to what shouldnt be done if you want to unbrick your phone (and also includes a few little things that may be missing elsewhere) so hopefully someone can learn from it. cheers all and see you later.
ok well this is the end of this thread (unless i find a proper working solution).
i was unable to charge the phone unless i used the mcyver trick. basically the only way it would accept a charge was if the mcgyver leads were connected. however the battery would charge once the mcgyver leads were in place but stays locked at 100 per cent no matter what i do. it may be the rom i am using but every time i tried another i got the battery error.
i have now bought an external battery charger and spare battery. it works a treat. i simply use the charger to charge one battery and use the other battery to power the phone. when the battery dies i simply switch them around and use the phone as normal.
this way i am no longer having to boot the phone using mcgyver and the only thing i am missing is the ability to charge the battery internally or tell how much battery life is actually left.
so all told all is well that sort of ends well. at least i can carry on using the defy. i was looking at buying another phone but they are all either too big or too slippy/ fragile in the hand. the only one i would like to buy is the orange san diego but there is no root and even worse there is no sim unlock. so for the time being i will stick with the nearly indestructible defy and hope that moto see sense and release a four inch, 8mp onboard camera and better screen carbon copy. fingers crossed.