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HTC Touch on Universal ?

Hi,
as many of you allready know, HTC released the new HTC Touch as a response to Apple's iPhone.
I looked at some videos on youtube and some technical specs of the phone.. and it simply seems a program that runs on a WM6. So it shouldn't be some difficult to port it to other devices, I don't think that the HTC Touch has some special hardware or touchscreen.
The only thing I read is that it has different touchscreen drivers, but that shouldn't be a problem: I already saw here on xda-dev many other ports or programming miracles
Ok it's a program native for QVGA... that sucks and could possibly cause many problems to port it on the Universal.
It could also be that it wouldn't have decent performance playing the animantions (page flip,...) because of the VGA resolution.
I don't know.... but I would like to create this thread in order to see the progress and the news of the Touch Technology (let's call it so) port on Universal.
Helmi, Midget and all other gurus of the universal... please help us with this cool Touch Tech
Videos of the HTC Touch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI9h3TRndhY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj8PMcvYTZo
...and here is some basic infos and some dumps:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=311225
I've to say that the today plugin and the rest of the menus are very similar to Spb Mobile Shell... the only thing more are the gestures that you can make on the touchscreen and the animations between the menus.
Ok let's go!
We'll see how it goes on now

So...
It's kinda just a new interface for Windows Mobile?

Yep
markymanxxx said:
So...
It's kinda just a new interface for Windows Mobile?
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Yep I think so too. It doesn't seem to me that there are significant hardware differences between the HTC Touch and other PocketPCs.
But let's wait and see what our gurus say to it

Sorry to dissapoint....
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news guys & gals, but over at the Athena and Hermes forums and some others over at 4winmobile have been looking into this for some time now and there is a major difference other than the .dll driver.
The Touch has a new technology screen that is completely different from what has been in PPC's before. Most of the software can be ported from the HTC Touch/Elf, and will work on QVGA WM5/6 devices and some conversions will be necessary for our VGA devices, but the actual Cube Touch GUI will NOT work without the right hardware.
see here for more info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310459&page=3
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Been following a cool thread over at 4winmobile.com about the whole HTC Touch themes, cabs and interface etc...Looks like everything else is transferable, except the cube GUI, as......
Also...
Sorry peeps. Looks like new screen hardware after all But no one is giving up on an alternative.
Anyway, take a look at that thread anyway as it is very interesting all the same.
http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/hermes-black-rom-announcements/9739-black-iv-shadow-preview.html
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have to confirm that it is new hardware, and that the plugins/programs have the resolution hard-coded into them so nothing useful for our uni yet...
interestingly enough though the biotouch (what they call it) calls use native windows mobile dll's (albeit new functions that previously were not in there, so we can speculate that this isnt a one off and more devices will be seen with these type of screens)

dll's and VGA
Basically when I see how they use this touchscreen I see no big difference between an old one.
For the cube GUI the system has only to recognize a "touch & drag" on the screen. If this function isn't in our dll's they could somehow be ported on our uni
But the most big problem I see is the VGA resolution.....
Anyone knows the HTC Touch specs? Has it some new and high performance graphic chip (perhaps nvidia or something similar?)
Because we have to consider that VGA = 4x QVGA (number of pixels) and as I know our beatuful Uni hasn't a luxus graphic processor. I remember some benchmarks and compared to other devices it had a somehow slower graphic chip.
I'm afraid that if we can port the gui to Uni on VGA it won't work with decent performance
Does anyone know more of the Cube GUI? Is it precalculated (only an animation) or is it a realtime rapresentation of the current objects flipping over the faces of a cube?
To be honest I think it's precalculated graphics... Why make it realtime and performance-cost? The cube turns very fast and it would very difficult to see the difference between a simple animation and a real 3d rendering.
And when we think how many open processes a user has on his pocketpc; I could easly imagine that if we only were listening to music with an mp3 player, with a resident antivirus (lol) and some other background apps....the cube would have big problems to be rendered at a decent framerate.
Ok these are only speculations, I have no idea of how the HTC Touch really works. I only saw the youtube presentation
If the cube won't be ported on Uni... I'll wait for someone to adapt Beryl for PocketPC eheheheh lol
Go on folks...
Greets

Touch on..... Prophet.
I made some changes in touch rom and it can run on my prophet, but i have alot of bugs like battery bug and touchscreen bug.

Silver_Gost said:
I made some changes in touch rom and it can run on my prophet, but i have alot of bugs like battery bug and touchscreen bug.
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Does the cube GUI work (even partially) ?

are there no news for the Universal??

TouchFLO on Artemis?

i just saw the demo of the TouchFLO software for the HTC Touch.
Does anybody know if this also will work on the Artemis?
And is it already available?
Thanks!

no it's not possible on the artemis cause they use a differend kind a touchscreen.
but i really like the shortcutscreen with pictures to dial. i hope someone can make it available for the artemis

spb mobile shell has a pic dialer

there's a file called todayphoto.cab i think, that's a home screen plugin where you can just touch the picture to initiate a call. has limitations, but works

kasperke said:
no it's not possible on the artemis cause they use a differend kind a touchscreen.
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I don't think so. It must be the same technology.
Ich you think of Apples Multitouch: HTC Touch doesn't have it.

I have been shown a bandango video of an S200 working flawessly with touchflo interface.
Sorry not to have the url.
If touchflo runs on a S200 screen, it should run also on artemis
What i dont know is if it would run only under WM6, or also under WM5

Hi, I've just had a quick look at the Elf/Touch on youtube, very very nice. So it has finger scrolling of all lists kinda like Larna's iContacts. I just downloaded a rom dump from the touch and it looks like if I had any idea at all what I was looking at there might be a dll or an exe or something else that could just be copied into my orbit so I could have that lovely scroll thing, Yeah and the contacts app looks really good as well. The animated launcher cube looked nice but spb mobile shell comes close at least in a utilitarian way in functionality.
The rom dump was dead easy to find by searching in the Elf forum. Would be nice if a brain could have a sniff through it.

TouchFlo 3D

Check this out
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=46294
does someonae has the new HTC touch 3d........-----
I WANT IT.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

isnt it only for htc touch diamond?

It isn't out yet. The 3d Touchflo Interface debuts with the HTC Diamond. Should be out by June/July.

I forgot to mention that the 3d Touchflo Interface demands better hardware and memory than most of the devices any of us has currently. The chances that it will run smoothly with our devices are very slim.

I think its a little sluggish on Touch Diamond itseld from what Ive heard from some of those who attended the press event.
Imagining it on Artemis could only be a joke.. It requires a GPU. And it also looks like this application has a lot of locks preventing cookers from porting. But still XDA-dev has much better hackers to overcome those. Lets wait for the devices on the market first.
Regards,
Carty..

here is a couple of words...i'd like to have 3d,but i suppose its not possible
However, a TouchFLO 3D upgrade for current HTC Touch smartphones (like the Touch, Touch Dual or Touch Cruise) isn't planned due to increased and changed hardware requirements.
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if this was called HTC manila when it was in the development stage then i hav a ver of this(cab file) which is meant for VGA screen PPCs only

fair does that phone looks stunning,i was gonna get the orbit 2, but the diamond is much faster and better looking, quite looking forward to this one

After see Pontui Home runing so smoothly on my Artemis, I have a little hope that this programa will not demand a Hi-end hardware to run. I HOPE!!!

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working man said:
After see Pontui Home runing so smoothly on my Artemis, I have a little hope that this programa will not demand a Hi-end hardware to run. I HOPE!!!
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that same . too

CAB File
Can you post this CAB file?
sheennick123456:
if this was called HTC manila when it was in the development stage then i hav a ver of this(cab file) which is meant for VGA screen PPCs only
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HTC manila AKA touch flo 3D
here you go
http://www.4shared.com/file/47016031/5436a738/manila1001030release.html
i checked it........it is the same user interface tht is in the htc diamond
but remember it is only for VGA ppcs n wont work on artemis
some people hav tried it on various VGA ppcs n the app runs only on HTC made ppcs(doesnt work on O2 XDA flame)
u may get framerates like 10-15fps

I have a X50v that's with my friend. I'll make a try...

Hi, In this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=363500&page=14
a developer called dobb try to adapt the manila VGA to QVGA and release a version alpha and beta that works in the qvga devices but obviously run slow and need to adapt the soft buttons. You can install the cab of VGA version and the dll's, thus overwrite the files in manila folder with the alpha or beta version of QVGA.(This version need to polish more)
The version posted for sheennick123456 was a beta of touchflo3d leaked in january 2008, and with greater reason, the actual version should run faster.
I have no doubt that any developer here not only achieved by extracting the touchflo3d but also the driver to run correctly.
Think about that:
When "Touch" released, HTC said the touchflo could only run on those Devices because of the special hardware (screen), but there are many of us who run the touchflo in our Artemis without such hardware (screen).
Greetings

really it isn't working... i installed it and i don't know how to uninstall.. anybody??

it creates a folder named manila somewhere in the device memory
i dont recollect the exact path but i guess it is in the my documents
all u have to do is delete this folder

If you want to uninstall you have to:
delete the folder in Program Files/Manila
delete all registry in HKLM/software/microsoft/today/items/manila
delete manilatoday.dll in windows folder
I tried in my artemis and works slowly but the second beta needs more work.

ryomahino said:
If you want to uninstall you have to:
delete the folder in Program Files/Manila
delete all registry in HKLM/software/microsoft/today/items/manila
delete manilatoday.dll in windows folder
I tried in my artemis and works slowly but the second beta needs more work.
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that's what i did on "blind" thanks anyway... let's hope that some of the "gods" over here will adjust it for Artemis

Dont works on Kaiser WM6....

I have one, battery sucks. it's ok kinda hard to get around
cvenk said:
Check this out
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=46294
does someonae has the new HTC touch 3d........-----
I WANT IT.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have one it'ss hard to move around and remember keys, battery sucks too,

Diamond-like ROM for Hermes

Is there any ROM that works/looks exactly as the Diamond ROM?
I saw on HTC´s website the Diamond and it´s fantastic! I just needed a ROM with the same GUI on the media player,etc.
Is Hermes capable of doing the GUI management at the same speed, fluid as Diamond? (despite clock speed difference)

mmick said:
Is there any ROM that works/looks exactly as the Diamond ROM?
I saw on HTC´s website the Diamond and it´s fantastic! I just needed a ROM with the same GUI on the media player,etc.
Is Hermes capable of doing the GUI management at the same speed, fluid as Diamond? (despite clock speed difference)
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I don't think so but I will let the specialists answer to your question with more confidence...

mmick said:
Is there any ROM that works/looks exactly as the Diamond ROM?
I saw on HTC´s website the Diamond and it´s fantastic! I just needed a ROM with the same GUI on the media player,etc.
Is Hermes capable of doing the GUI management at the same speed, fluid as Diamond? (despite clock speed difference)
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Probably not. HTC said something about a special 3D unit (cpu, whatever) in that phone, which makes possible all those fancy things.
But, there are some 3rd part applications what are doing almost the same. For example there is a really good SPB Mobile Shell Themeby greatbal (find it in the SPB Mobiles Shell 2.1 Themes thread).
Or, there are some efforts like making something with UltimateLaunch, RLToday, but they are not as good as the original.
Edit: And there's also a project with ThrottleLauncher... I guess that is the closest to the Diamond GUI.
Try to search for Touchflo 3D, Manilla, and of course Diamond in this forum, you will find many things (mostly in Developement and Hacking).

New interface win mo 6.5

Why has manila been removed from most if not all of the 6.5 roms?
Am I missing something here? The 'new' interface for win mo 6.5 seems to me to be absolute rubbish as an interface. I have installed XBmod over the top.
What's the point of this new interface? It's limited at best. If you compare it to say the new iphone 3.0 os (I'm a win mo fanboy by the way) it's embarrassing.
Surely TF3d2 is the way to go??

vicious6969 said:
Why has manila been removed from most if not all of the 6.5 roms?
Am I missing something here? The 'new' interface for win mo 6.5 seems to me to be absolute rubbish as an interface. I have installed XBmod over the top.
What's the point of this new interface? It's limited at best. If you compare it to say the new iphone 3.0 os (I'm a win mo fanboy by the way) it's embarrassing.
Surely TF3d2 is the way to go??
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Take a look at some of the awesome panels and themes being developed over in 'Development and Hacking' and you'll understand. The themes are rich, customizable and very nice. ibrythill's WM7 one is a great example.
It's actually very flexible and functional. It can house heeeeappps more in those panels than Manila and then people are creating any sorts of plugins. Last night I read about a facebook panel that was just released. There are no facebook tabs for Manila, no 'create your own tab', no twitter tab etc.
I know I possibly made Manila sound bad but it is not by any means. Just a couple of reasons you'd want to try Titanium as a UI.

Cool thanks for that, wasn't aware of titanium etc etc will have a further look.
I was just looking at the basic homepage that comes with the roms and was a bit alarmed!
I think something cool should be on out of the box though when the new os comes out. as long as normal phone users dont have to mess about etc.

Well I suppose you can always put another homescreen like TouchFLO 3D on top of WM6.5. So it is very flexible to have a clean ROM and let users choose what suit them most.
BTW, the built-in kinetic scrolling of the WM6.5 is very good. I hope there would be a version of the TouchDLO 3D without the HTC kinetic scrolling.