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Hi guys,
I need to get a bigger microsd card, but i would very much like to buy (and use) the new sandisk 4gb micro SDHC. I read in another thread that it might work after WM6 upgrade...
i've also read this press release stating that new drivers are available also for the omap850...
Can someone confirm wether or not a 4gb micro SDHC works after the WM6 upgrade?
thanks!
no, wont work. there is different sd-reader HW. You are asking questions like if i can play DVDs on my CDplayer after firmware upgrade. NO IT WONT.
phsnake said:
no, wont work. there is different sd-reader HW. You are asking questions like if i can play DVDs on my CDplayer after firmware upgrade. NO IT WONT.
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I don't think you've read the pages i linked to. The first is a thread here on xda-dev. where someone tells us that the upgrade to WM6 brought sdhc to the trinity... so that would tell us it is not a hardware thing.
the second link tells us about a softwarestack to bring sdhc to (among others) Omap850 ... so that's why i would like to know if someone that has actual hands on experience with the combination WM6 & sdhc cards could tell us if it works, instead of someone just bloating without looking.
geezer78 said:
so that would tell us it is not a hardware thing.
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Regarding Trinity: The Software upgrade also brought GPS to Trinity. So GPS is only a software thing??
I guess Trinity has already SDHC compatible HW chip inside, just the SDHC drivers were missing.
2esackbauer
Well, and why do you think Artemis has no SDHC compatible chip inside? Are you an insider? Recall please,
HTC has not ever declared the fact that Trinity has got SDHC compatible chip inside, either. Moreover, Trinity can not work yet with SDHC cards running officially issued ROMs installed.
as far as i understand, they are speaking about drivers for CPU beccause as i know OMAP, Marvele.... are CPU's. So it means that those drivers will be able to communicate with CPUs mentioned in that article and SDHC hw. Still we are on the same point, if U have cd player it wont read DVDs. Other thing is if Trinity has SDHC hw. but i dont believe so. It will be unreasonable expensive for htc to built it. You can argue that Ericcsson T10 and T18 were the same except for active flip and vibrations, but the reasson then, was in amount t10 and t18 sold(or expected) and price of changing or making another line. I could believe it in case that htc already presented Arte lookalike with SDHC supp. but in this case i simply dont. BTW as i remember, Trinity was presented in betas with GPS, and when it was launched it was widely known that it has GPS chip+antena, but they launch it without drivers because there were some troubles with comm between drivers and chip and OS, and it will be too expensive to delay launch of trinity even if it was w/o GPS
esackbauer: in this case was GPS only SW prob. (btw i like beer too)
nemo8: do you think that if you can enable SDHC only by new drivers, here will be numbers of those drivers in beta versions for downld?With 10-50%functionality? For ex. at least using those drvrs u would be able to read directory tree? i believe that yes.
HTC has not ever declared the fact that Trinity has got SDHC compatible chip inside, either. - i dont have trinity but can U give me link where u found out that it has SDHC hw? DOes it have SDHC supp on cooked ROMS?
From wikipedia:
A new SD format, SDHC (Secure Digital High Capacity), allows capacities in excess of 2GB (4GB to 32GB)[10]. SDHC uses the FAT32 file system which supports the higher capacity instead of FAT16[11]. It uses the same form factor as SD, but the SD 2.0 standard in SDHC uses a different memory addressing method (sector addressing vs byte addressing[12]). SDHC cards only work in SDHC compatible devices, but standard SD cards work in both SD and SDHC devices. The SDHC trademark is licensed to ensure compatibility.[13]
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All changes are in logical access. According to this, driver change could allow to use SDHC card in devices.
DOes it have SDHC supp on cooked ROMS?[/QUOTE]
Yes, it does have SDHC support on WM6 ROMs cooked by two talented ROM-creators, whoose nick-names are mun and lvsw. I have seen it with my own eyes(it worked successfully with 4G miniSDHC). And therefore I hope p3300 also would be able to support this card format running WM6 OS. The new driver might have been included into officially issued WM6 ROM. We just need someone to check that.
nemo8 said:
DOes it have SDHC supp on cooked ROMS?
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Yes, it does have SDHC support on WM6 ROMs cooked by two talented ROM-creators, whoose nick-names are mun and lvsw. I have seen it with my own eyes(it worked successfully with 4G miniSDHC). And therefore I hope p3300 also would be able to support this card format running WM6 OS. The new driver might have been included into officially issued WM6 ROM. We just need someone to check that.[/QUOTE]
Marvellous! In that case I would have to try it out on my XDA Orbit then. Just waiting for the 4GB SDHC to arrive. FIngers crossed.
OK then i appologise, it will be perfect to have sdhc supp on artemis (if u check size of W-Euro map for tomtom - some 850mb) it will be marvelous. I never heard of making sd devices working with sdhc, but if you've seen trinity working with SDHC i simply believu You. btw i think trinit was released before arte(month or two) so there is a chance to have same sd hw. Sorry again, that i didnt believe it.
mavericke said:
Marvellous! In that case I would have to try it out on my XDA Orbit then. Just waiting for the 4GB SDHC to arrive. FIngers crossed.
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Excellent! I am Really looking forward to your experiences!
mavericke said:
Just waiting for the 4GB SDHC to arrive. FIngers crossed.
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Any Luck Yet?
alright gutys got wm6 running. went into my local o2 store and tried one of the sandisk 4gb. DOES NOT WORK!! the only dam phone they work with without any modding is the n95!!!
coz83_2000 said:
alright gutys got wm6 running. went into my local o2 store and tried one of the sandisk 4gb. DOES NOT WORK!! the only dam phone they work with without any modding is the n95!!!
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Maybe we need some (cooked) drivers? i believe that was necessery for the p3600 as well??
thanks for giving it a try though!
Has anyone tried the official HTC ROM and tried using the 4GB MicroSDHC card?
i ve got the XDA orbit with the HTC WM6 ROM installed and the 4 gig SDHC CARD DOESNT WORK
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That friggin sucks!
Just find this driver : SDIO Hx version 1.1
Compatible omap850 on wm5 and wm6
That driver does what exactly? Has it been tested?
jontymisra said:
That driver does what exactly? Has it been tested?
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"BSQUARE announced the availability of SDIO Hx version 1.1, the newest release of its ultra high-performance software stack for Windows Mobile and Windows® CE devices. Version 1.1 features support for next-generation high-capacity memory cards. SDIO Hx version 1.1 is the only software stack with both Windows Mobile and Windows CE support for the new Secure Digital High Capacity (SDHC) standard defining high-performance memory cards from above 2 GB to 32 GB."
more information here
Thx for info geezer78
I've done a lot of searches, but I haven't found any thread that solves my doubts...
I have a 2 GB Sandisk MicroSD in my HTC P3300 and it works perfectly (in fact I never suffered the corruption bug), but this is very few storage for me so I need a 4 GB memory card. My questions are:
1st - Does it exist any 4 GB MicroSD (not MicroSDHC)? I've readen some posts talking about them and I've seen some links in eBay shops, but nobody has confirmed if they are fakes. Anybody could tell me if 4 GB MicroSD exist and where to buy them?
2nd - If you have a 4 GB MicroSD, have you tested it in your HTC Artemis? Does it work? Have you got WM5 or WM6? Official or "non-official" ROM?
3rd - If you have a 4 GB MicroSDHC, have you tested it in your HTC Artemis? Does it work? Have you got WM5 or WM6? Official or "non-official" ROM?
I've opened a poll to know more clearly if I have the possibility to upgrade my storage card or I'll have to bear with that poor 2 GB Sandisk... Please, vote and write a post telling which brand/model of Artemis and MicroSD/MicroSDHC do you have and what operating system and ROM version do you use
Sorry for my bad english, I hope you haven't suffered to understand this message
Thanks
Nobody has tested a 4 GB MicroSD/MicroSDHC in his Artemis? I cannot believe it!
Regards
Someone did test a 4gb card and it didn't work for hin. On my phone right now so doing a search would be a pain. Search for sdhc in the Artemis mobile 6 forum and you should find it though.
JanetPanic said:
Someone did test a 4gb card and it didn't work for hin. On my phone right now so doing a search would be a pain. Search for sdhc in the Artemis mobile 6 forum and you should find it though.
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Thank you for your answer
The thread you were talking about is this one. In one of the last posts a person says that he/she has tested a 4 GB Sandisk MicroSD in the Artemis with negative results, but doesn't specify if it's a High Capacity MicroSD (MicroSDHC) and in which OS the test was done
I would like to know more opinions and to see votes from people who has tested also a 4 GB MicroSD (HC or non-HC), I'm sure that there are more users who has experience with this kind of memory cards and we all would have a more clear idea if they tell us the detailed results
Regards
Well if you or someone can point out a couple 4 GB cards that are available in the U.S. online I will buy up to 3 to test just to try and bring some closure to the question.
The only 4GB micro SD card I could find was out of stock (J&R music). Based on a little searching it seems to perpetually be out of stock. I added myself to get an alert should it come in however.
I have done a bit of research and I am pretty sure the P3300 will not work with a 4GB card, but I am willing to try.
It is not the traces or the pinout on the card as many have surmised that is the problem though. The SDHC uses FAT32 whereas SD uses FAT16. So unless the system has the capability of reading FAT32 the question of circuitry is moot. Everything I have read points to 2GB being the limit for non SDHC and that the P3300 does not support it.
Another common misconception seems to be that there are non SDHC 4GB micro sd cards. I see no evidence that this is the case. Furthering the improbability is the fact that the Fat16 has an upper limit of a 2GB partition. (There is an exception to this where the FAT16 uses 64K clusters, but this is unlikely to be done or work in ANYTHING without custom drivers. I never even heard of this till I did this research.)
None the less I would be happy to be proven wrong.
I've read a thread somewhere in this forum where a senior member (or was it a mod?) had drivers to make the artemis sdhc capable which usually is not possible if the hardware is not built for that. Search for it and maybe you'll find it.
I have read most of those threads and none are conclusive.
You also can not do anything with drivers if the hardware is not already compatible. There is not any question that the p3300 does not officially support microsdhc.
The debate rages and a thread like this keeps coming up.
From what I've read so far, the only thing required is a SDHC driver. There should not be problem on the hardware side.
Some say the WM6 ROMs have SDHC driver. My Wizard has WM6 and the driver on it looks different, but I don't have a SDHC miniSD to verify. Ultimately, to prove it works on Artemis, I need a 4Gb SDHC microSD so I can try the stock drivers and may be copy the drivers from my Wizard.
SanDisk 4GB microSD-HC DID NOT WORK on MDA compact III
Hello,
I`ve an MDA compact III which was delivered with WM5 OS. I`ve an 2GB microSD - Card from Sandisk, working perfectly. A little bit small that thing for my big fingers... =
Now I was searching for higher capacitys of microSD - Cards and found an SanDisk microSD-HC with a capacity on 4 GB. Bought for app. 60€ and testet on my device: NOTHING. No work. The WM5 OS did`t recognise the Crad. The card is`t shown inside the System. It seems like NO card inside the device. The card is OK. There was a little USB reader in the package, where I can access to the card.
OK, maybe it is the WM5 OS and I decided to upgrade to WM6. (German O² OS using the UPL method...) The upgrade was done in 10 Minutes, but the card works NOT! The same reaction like on WM5.
Now I`m wayting for an patched OS with (maybe) an SD-HC driver inside. Let`s pray...
Best regards, Sven
The Artemis is not able to read/write microSDHC Cards. The Interface of the Artemis permits only FAT16, microSDHC works only with FAT32. Artemis cannot recognise it. Normal microSD with 4 GB if should be at least recognised.
JanetPanic: Before opening this thread I had done many searches to get information about SDHC, and I know that SDHC compatibility is a hardware problem rather than a software/drivers problem. However, I hoped that our HTC Artemis had a SDHC compatible slot, looking at HTC Trinity's example... By the way, before the Artemis I had a Dell X51v with a 4 GB SD (non-HC) that worked like a charm; I expect that in a -near- future there'll be 4 GB MicroSD cards
lSSBl: Very interesting your MicroSDHC "review", althought you have ruined most of my hopes. Let's pray that future WM6 official ROMs will give the Artemis the ability to read MicroSDHC cards
AlfredENeumann: I tell you the same as JanetPanic, the HTC doesn't have officially a HC compatible slot and however it supports that kind of memory cards. Let's pray...
Regards
@AlfredENeumann
You're wrong. The Artemis accepts FAT32 as well as FAT16 SD cards, no matter if WM5 or WM6. But that has nothing to do with SDHC, what till now doesn't work with the generic WM6 drivers.
perhaps a solution: http://msmobiles.com/news.php/6308.html
http://www.sandisk.com/Assets/File/pdf/retail/SDHC1.pdf
That means, that the SDHC card is NOT backward compatible - you can't format it with FAT16, but you can format any 'normal' (micro) sd- card with FAT32, and it still works at the artemis. Tested by me, and a lot of other guys.
Has anybody Tried the SDHC driver from the HTC Trinity yet?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=293556
4 gb micro dilemma
Hey guys... see if you can help me out.
Installed the 4gb micro sd on my HTC Artemis and the SDHC driver from the previous post... windows mobile 5 doesn't recognize the card.
Not sure what to try, open to any suggestions.
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crap
Actually, after I've tried the 4gb Micro and installed the Trinity driver.. NONE of my storage cards are recognizable now. So I removed the driver.. and STILL none of my storage cards are recognized. BUSTED?!? Not sure how to fix this?
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SanDisk have just announced an 8GB micro SDHC.... time we got these SDHC cards working in our devices! Anyone have any input on how we can find out if this is possible?
Sandisk 4gb SDHC no go
Hi all, just to let you know I tried all the WM6 rom's on these forums (thanks to all), reformated my sandisk 4gb microsd card fat 16/32 but no go..
(my 2gb sandisk card works fine with fat16/32), even tried trinity driver no go.
Hopefully the new WM6 rom from HTC this week will support it.
Hi everyone, has anybody tried the 4GB high capacity micro SD card on the Artemis using official WM6 ROM? I am thinking about getting one but not sure if it will work, so just checking first.
I have seen a thread under the HTC Universal about a new ROM of it supporting the 8GB high capacity SD and I am tempted to get one a try it on my HTC Universal (SPV M5000)!
Thanks!
No. It does not, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=311839
I was on the fence about buying the 3600 when I read of many people having problems with the screens going out, system slowing down when touching the screen, and the metal peeling, slow performance, ect. I didn't realize that there was a new one, 3600i. Has anyone had any similar issues with it? How is it compared to the 3600 as far as reliability? I believe this would be my perfect device if it just supported SDHC.
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I was on the fence about buying the 3600 when I read of many people having problems with the screens going out, system slowing down when touching the screen, and the metal peeling, slow performance, ect. I didn't realize that there was a new one, 3600i. Has anyone had any similar issues with it? How is it compared to the 3600 as far as reliability? I believe this would be my perfect device if it just supported SDHC.
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The P3600i does support SDHC, at least to 4Gb. Can't test higher capacity mini-SDHC cards yet, not available here.
Oh, BTW, the Quick Fix GPS cab file does work, despite the "placebo" sceptics. Tested exhaustively now for 4 weeks. It downloads ephemeris data from http://www.htcusainc.com/clm as packedEphemeris.ee for NMEA mode. This is exactly, precisely, the same data file for SirfIII GPS in NMEA mode.
TTFF is now 30-60 seconds. Before, 5-10 mins, about which I had justifiable criticism.
Regional setting HKLM\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\region
needs to be correct. I'm using AU for obvious reasons.
The P3600i is now in my view as close to perfection as I may wish.
ROM and RAM higher than 3600,so I think the speed will be higher and stable when run large program.for example,Map guide,etc.
Ian,
I am surprised to ear that P3600 support SDHC 4Go because i bought mine 2 weeks ago and before buying a mini SD i put the question to HTC and got this answer:
Dear Sir,
Unfortunately the HTC P3600 does not support the mini-SDHC format cards, only standard mini-SD. The maximum size you are able to use in the device is 2GB.
Thank you for your enquiry, Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at http://www.europe.htc.com/support/csbyphone.html
So i was just prepared to buy a 2GB mini SD, can you confirm that a 4GB SDHC works on a long term basis?
About quickGPS do we have to launch it only every 7 days and nothing else than starting normaly our GPS software (tomtom)? I tried qGPS but i do not see any difference in the fixing time after starting tomtom.
My p3600 Italian version supports SDHC. I'm using a 4GB right now.
8Gb sdhc
Hi!
I using 8Gb micro sdhc card with minisd adapter, and it's work in my p3600.
frenchflyer said:
Ian,
I am surprised to ear that P3600 support SDHC 4Go because i bought mine 2 weeks ago and before buying a mini SD i put the question to HTC and got this answer:
Dear Sir,
Unfortunately the HTC P3600 does not support the mini-SDHC format cards, only standard mini-SD. The maximum size you are able to use in the device is 2GB.
Thank you for your enquiry, Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at http://www.europe.htc.com/support/csbyphone.html
So i was just prepared to buy a 2GB mini SD, can you confirm that a 4GB SDHC works on a long term basis?
About quickGPS do we have to launch it only every 7 days and nothing else than starting normaly our GPS software (tomtom)? I tried qGPS but i do not see any difference in the fixing time after starting tomtom.
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There is the P3600 according to HTC and the P3600 according to XDA-Developers.
The P3600 according to HTC: WM5, no SDHC, and 4GB-Mini-SD (without HC) is not really a standard so nobody will assure compatibility.
The P3600 according to XDA: WM6, SDHC-compatible due to a new driver.
Beware: There are a lot of different flavours of WM6, as they are built by different persons, not directly by HTC. Their reliability is very different, read the threads to judge whether a built is more shiny, more stable or both.
QuickGPS does not work on the P3600, the standard rule is valid: Don't move until you get a fix. You might save up to 10 minutes.
Have fun!
Guys,
Is there somebody can tell me where is the place who could upgrade device memory our Uni into 4-8 Gyga. And upgrade ram into 256 MHz?
Thanx..
You can buy an sd card up to 16gb acording to some members reported working well (Not sure about 32gb)
and for RAM, the more you can upgrade is to 128mb.
Have a look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=534476
Verbatim 32GB Class 6 works on my Universal / T-Mobile MDA pro with german Maxstegi 6.0 ROM.
Maxstegi uses SD-Settings coded by OllieD Version 3.0.
So all 32GB cards should work on all Universals using OllieD SD-settings.
A lot of thanks to Maxstegi and OllieD (and all other geniuses at xda-developers) for moving our Universals into the next decade.