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heya. i've got 3 questions, hope some1 could help.
i recently upgraded my p3300 to WM6 (official HTC rom) and as i was at it, started to wonder about a few things.
1) in tomtom, when configuring the GPS, i can change the baudspeed (actually at 4800). if i increase that, would a) the GPS navigation while driving be smoother, b) i get a faster satelite fix and most important: c) would the battery last less or same?
2) about the battery... i use very few apps and most of the times i make sure they are 100% closed. i use the calendar, notes and few phonecalls per day. sometimes i turn on tomtom for a few minutes to find a street when walking... but i think the battery life is very short (an average of 1% per hour in standby, more battery loss when using the pda, making calls, etc)
is there any tweaks, programs or whatsoever to see what exactly is consuming XYZ of my battery? and improve it's life?
3) after upgrading to WM6, whenever i start tomtom, i get that logo-splash screen (didnt get that before) is there a way to remove it?
i have many more doubts, but i think i'll leave em for when i solved this things. thx for answer.
zandadoum said:
1) in tomtom, when configuring the GPS, i can change the baudspeed (actually at 4800). if i increase that, would a) the GPS navigation while driving be smoother, b) i get a faster satelite fix and most important: c) would the battery last less or same?
2) about the battery... i use very few apps and most of the times i make sure they are 100% closed. i use the calendar, notes and few phonecalls per day. sometimes i turn on tomtom for a few minutes to find a street when walking... but i think the battery life is very short (an average of 1% per hour in standby, more battery loss when using the pda, making calls, etc)
is there any tweaks, programs or whatsoever to see what exactly is consuming XYZ of my battery? and improve it's life?
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1) I didn't noticed differences neither in fix time nor in navigation smoothness.
2) I doubt that it is possible to measure power used by certain application directly. I had problem with power drain and resolved it by switching applications off and on (S2U was guilty), but it seems to me that my Artemis use more power after upgrade to WM6 to.
any1 got any more comments? which is the best way to track your battery life and improve it? any program around to help on this task?
If you want to compare your device power consumption to my Artemis I'll give you some measurements (not very accurate actually):
When I tested my device while playing 320x240 divx movie with TCPMP, fullscreen, brightness set to max, no audio - battery operated about 5,5 - 6 hours before PDA powered off automatically.
During 8 hours in stand-by (I didn't used PDA at all) it was about 5-8% battery drained, but when I switched Pocket Plus indicators (memory, battery, SD free space) off - after 8 hours of stand-by there was 100% battery (full).
Hope this will help you. If you do your own measures let us know.
Good Sunday
ok, as far as i have seen, there is no application that tells your how much battery each application you run, uses. i guess thats normal.
but, is there something like the windows taskmanager, telling you how much CPU and MEMORY each application that runs in the background uses? i think if there is one, that would give a good start on my investigations.
zandadoum said:
but, is there something like the windows taskmanager, telling you how much CPU and MEMORY each application that runs in the background uses? i think if there is one, that would give a good start on my investigations.
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You could try BatteryStatus
varvocel said:
You could try BatteryStatus
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i'll try it, however i've read somewhere that this program itself is a battery-drainer already?
With BS I had 100% battery after 8 hours standby and I didn't noticed more power consumption while normal use (some phone calls, PIM, games, Internet), but you must try to know how it works on your device. Try it and then write about your findings.
Hi,
baudrate has noting to do with refreshing inverval of GPS. The refresh wrt the satellites is determined in the chipset, and the baudrate is the speed in which the chipset (which is actually an external device) communicates with the serial port of the device. Normally speaking the baudrate for gps is 4800 (it is NMEA norm), but also other rates exist for example for bluetooth devices the baudrate is only the speed with which the serial transfer of data is done. It is in the end the GPS software you use that will determine how fast your position is updated on your screen. It can happen that if you set the baudrate wrong, that the data is not received properly, because the software expects the data to be presented at the baudrate you set, and the device delivers at a different rate (like speeking too fast to somebody). It is therefore important to set it correctly.
zandadoum said:
but, is there something like the windows taskmanager, telling you how much CPU and MEMORY each application that runs in the background uses? i think if there is one, that would give a good start on my investigations.
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You could try TaskManager 2.7 from FdcSoft. It shows CPU load en memory load.
Just add the .exe to the sd card and run the file. Use the tabs to selct Process / CPU or any of the other tabs.
gertaap said:
Hi,
baudrate has noting to do with refreshing inverval of GPS. The refresh wrt the satellites is determined in the chipset, and the baudrate is the speed in which the chipset (which is actually an external device) communicates with the serial port of the device. Normally speaking the baudrate for gps is 4800 (it is NMEA norm), but also other rates exist for example for bluetooth devices the baudrate is only the speed with which the serial transfer of data is done. It is in the end the GPS software you use that will determine how fast your position is updated on your screen. It can happen that if you set the baudrate wrong, that the data is not received properly, because the software expects the data to be presented at the baudrate you set, and the device delivers at a different rate (like speeking too fast to somebody). It is therefore important to set it correctly.
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thanks for the explanation.
going back to batterystatus, i am tetsing it now. specially the overclock tool to actually UNDERclock my phone, hoping the battery lasts longer.
however, as for what i've seen, when the phone goes into suspend, batterystatus sets back to the 201mhz until it is unsuspended. so that's actually useless.
but it tells me enough info to get an idea about my power consumption, etc.
zandadoum said:
however, as for what i've seen, when the phone goes into suspend, batterystatus sets back to the 201mhz until it is unsuspended. so that's actually useless.
but it tells me enough info to get an idea about my power consumption, etc.
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Not exactly useless - if you read e-book or WWW pages your PDA can save power with BS (although I don't know exactly how much).
About underclocking in standby there is explanation from BS Howto:
Could you make the cpu clock down while it is in standby?
There is no need to. Most of the devices are doing this by themself. As soon as you push the power-button (explicitly not a program mapped to a custom button for this job), your device will gradually stop execution of code and clocks the cpu down.
The latter implies that as soon as you push the power-button, BatteryStatus and any overclocking by BatteryStatus stops working.
Some tests showed that your device automatically steps down to 52MHz and maybe there is a state while the cpu is completely stopped (0 MHz) too.
I'm curious what is CPU speed of Artemis in standby. Maybe somebody knows that and will share with us?
I am using my Hermes as my primary phone, making about 10 phone calls per day, 20 minutes of browsing and PUSH MAIL for one account. I am connected to 3G network with HSDPA support. I am using stock 1300 mAh battery.
I was using Dvha v17 for long time and finishing my day with 40% battery and always thought this is how it should be.
I had some stability issues (lockups) and I have decided to upgrade the ROM.
First, I installed PDACorner v21. Stability of the system was great, no lockups anymore. But, in the middle of the day (about 4pm) my battery was empty. Switching to 2G left me with about 50% of the battery in the end of the day, but I don't like 2G because of the noise it makes to all speakers I am passing by.
Then I installed CRC v13, then PDACorner v23 and still had the same battery life.
This weekend I decided to try Dvha v21 (build 20721) and suddenly my battery is 40% at the end of the day with 3G HSDPA enabled!
On all ROMs I am installing the same set of programs and using the same mail account for push. The only difference is the Dvha is a big storage ROM, while all others I chose NRBSN.
I am always using Advanced Config and enable power management for all possible devices.
I also tried to upgrade radio ROM, but then had to downgrade back to 1.48 which is the best for me. No noticeable change in battery life with different radios.
Switching to 2G will dramatically improve battery life, leaving at least 50% on the end of the day. Disabling push will leave at least 70% on the end of the day.
Can anybody else confirm this? The difference is huge! It's about finish the day or not!
I found some posts saying that with push enabled, charging during the day is normal and usual for some people. I would agree, but now I am holding a device that is able to run all day long on HSDPA and with push enabled! I installed new version Dvha to confirm this.
It could be great if someone will find out what is different in Dvha ROM that improves battery life with push mail so drastically. Other ROMs are still more stable. With the new Dvha version I still have lockups and have to soft-reset at least once a day. I can't afford it with my primary phone. I need 100% stability during the day and I must admit that both PDACorner and CRC NRBSN ROMs are very much stable (thank you, chefs).
P.S. My next experiment will be installing the first non big storage Dvha ROM, which is Dvha v22, build 20748. I want to know if it's related to the big storage.
MRH 8.4 and Faria
I have tested all the ROMS put on successively here. My usage is similar to yours. However, I find Faria Puttingham ROM and MRH 8.4 as best stable roms. CRC gives problems and PDAVIET is just trash for my HERMIS. Rebooting several times means losing data and does not make sense.
Coming to PDA CormerPRO they are as good as MRH. since MRH has stopped development, PDAcoerner is the ROM to stick or just go back to Faria for long battery life. I use HERMIS 300 that is Tmobile MDA vario II. So there may be subtle differences in functioning.
I never got problems with 2G dialer either on my Tmobile MDA. I do not know 3G as this service is not available in my area.
what is the best dialer by the way? that has history and speed dial bottons? thanks
rocksolid
Hmm
Have a jasjam here, constantly on 3g, with active sync to 2k7, about 10-20 3 minute calls, running on 1.56.70.11 radio, not that much browsing as I only reply to emails, 20 SMS a day, etc.
My battery last a day, at night time I have to plug my phone in charger and ready for the next day.
I run SPB phone suite and mobile shell, with Yahoo! Go, palringo for IM, and yeah with a windows mobile device, and running it as heavy as I am making calls, push email and listening to music while driving home really .. no biggie. It is kinda expected, I may try and find if there is any extended batteries for the hermes I can use.
PS, my day starts at 5 a.m. finishes at 9 p.m.
zocster said:
Have a jasjam here, constantly on 3g, with active sync to 2k7, about 10-20 3 minute calls, running on 1.56.70.11 radio, not that much browsing as I only reply to emails, 20 SMS a day, etc.
My battery last a day, at night time I have to plug my phone in charger and ready for the next day.
I run SPB phone suite and mobile shell, with Yahoo! Go, palringo for IM, and yeah with a windows mobile device, and running it as heavy as I am making calls, push email and listening to music while driving home really .. no biggie. It is kinda expected, I may try and find if there is any extended batteries for the hermes I can use.
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What is your ROM? Do you have stock battery?
ochakov said:
What is your ROM? Do you have stock battery?
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My only ROMs so far that I like are CRC and PDA corner on my signature both had the same results
as i known on technical hardware, if we have device an old for 2 years and never change stock battery. we have lost half past more during a day. cause it's not just software related, but hardware also
The main power draws are the old 3G chispset and the backlight on the screen.
Theres only so much you can do with software, this being, as said, a 2year old phone.
1. This is not hardware related question, since I am using the same device for testing. It's one day with one ROM empty the battery before 4pm, the other day with DVHA it will finish the day with 40% left.
2. I am now on DVHA v22 - non-BS version. This is the first DVHA non-BS ROM. It's 6pm now and I have 40% left. This is still better than other ROMs, but worse than DVHA v21 which was BS (I am not sure this is related).
3. I am going to try PDACorner v24 big storage. This will be the first time I install BS version for ROM having also non-BS one (I hate big storage). I will try it on the first day it will be out of beta.
4. My device is JasJam, which is Herm100. Is there any differences in 3G module between different modifications? If so, it can explain a lot...
ochakov said:
1. This is not hardware related question, since I am using the same device for testing. It's one day with one ROM empty the battery before 4pm, the other day with DVHA it will finish the day with 40% left.
2. I am now on DVHA v22 - non-BS version. This is the first DVHA non-BS ROM. It's 6pm now and I have 40% left. This is still better than other ROMs, but worse than DVHA v21 which was BS (I am not sure this is related).
3. I am going to try PDACorner v24 big storage. This will be the first time I install BS version for ROM having also non-BS one (I hate big storage). I will try it on the first day it will be out of beta.
4. My device is JasJam, which is Herm100. Is there any differences in 3G module between different modifications? If so, it can explain a lot...
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For the most part BS roms use slightly more power, and compressed roms even more so.
No, the different Hermes models are just different front facing camera's
veyka said:
For the most part BS roms use slightly more power, and compressed roms even more so.
No, the different Hermes models are just different front facing camera's
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yes I will have to agree with the BS stuff, as with non BS of pda corner and was on CRC's 11.2 I didn't experience any fast draining of what a BS of PCpro or any other roms for that matter.
i usually just view i dont post ...but i had to add in on this i only picked pvdvh full v18 because it had the lowest idle %, and i regret every second of making this decision. ever since this rom has hijacked my phone, i have tried about 12 roms since ive gotten this phone, and none of them have underperformed like v18 it had a "phone off" bug, where it wont let me turn the phone function on..i have to reset constantly, i have constant freezes, i can no longer use my usb connection to pc for some reason, and i seem to lose battery power at a rate of 1% every 2-3 minutes or so if the screen is lit. on the lowest setting . i believe my only option now since i cant pc connect, i have to get a card reader and load an sd autorun just to get this off of my dopod. i hope it hasnt done any perm damage
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i usually just view i dont post ...but i had to add in on this i only picked pvdvh full v18 because it had the lowest idle %, and i regret every second of making this decision. ever since this rom has hijacked my phone, i have tried about 12 roms since ive gotten this phone, and none of them have underperformed like v18 it had a "phone off" bug, where it wont let me turn the phone function on..i have to reset constantly, i have constant freezes, i can no longer use my usb connection to pc for some reason, and i seem to lose battery power at a rate of 1% every 2-3 minutes or so if the screen is lit. on the lowest setting . i believe my only option now since i cant pc connect, i have to get a card reader and load an sd autorun just to get this off of my dopod. i hope it hasnt done any perm damage
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As with all roms, your mileage may differ, if that roms not so good for you, flash another.
veyka said:
As with all roms, your mileage may differ, if that roms not so good for you, flash another.
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good idea, thanks
Power consumption based on storage schema
If you run testing on different ROMs with a standard usage pattern (voice calls, SMS, Push...) using the same Radio set to 2G the difference will be the OS itself.
The part of the OS that makes a difference for battery drain is the way the storage is accessed, either directly (ROM/SDFlash) or from live RAM.
When the ROM is accessed it has to get powered and since it is slow the CPU has to be clocked longer not to mention that if data are compressed (RBSC)the CPU has to decompress the content before it's of any use. This may not be a huge difference but when you repeat this cycle half a million times it ads up to a lot more power drain - Same thing goes for the SD-Flash except these are rarely compressed.
The time-proven workaround is to set aside a region of fast RAM to shadow content from the power hungry non-volatile storage.
The bottom line of power drain is a trade off between Free-RAM size vs. DSK caching. The best of both world solution may be to run a cache resized automagically (HLM\System\StorageManager\FATFS\DataCache=0 and FATCache=0). The OS caches all it needs in RAM and automatically writes dirty pages to storage in the background or when more RAM is needed to run your programs.
Actually the above automatic cache schema is not the best solution for our phones. To further increase your battery life you need to hardset your cache size so WM does not have to keep resizing all its different caches non stop!
The big plus with hardset cache size is the RAM free space won't become as fragmented so WM will be less unstable.
Interesting Cache size settings are one of 512, 1024, 2048, 4096 in number of sectors... the RAM usage is only half that (2048 sectors fit in 1MB of RAM). Logically you want to keep a smaller FAT cache ratio for the Data it's pointing to. If it's too small you will get cache missed and data will get fetched from storage.
Now you can set your own preferences based on your needs and be your own chef: more free RAM for large programs Apps. or longer battery span.
Is that empowering to tweak your favorite ROM?
After about a week with DVHA v22, I switched to PDACorner v25
It's 2:40pm now and my battery is empty.
Same device, same battery, same programs, same emails...
Everything is the same - the ROM is different. It was 40% battery left at the end of the day with DVHA, now it's empty in the middle of the day.
Any thoughts?
sanfrenchysco said:
If you run testing on different ROMs with a standard usage pattern (voice calls, SMS, Push...) using the same Radio set to 2G the difference will be the OS itself.
The part of the OS that makes a difference for battery drain is the way the storage is accessed, either directly (ROM/SDFlash) or from live RAM.
When the ROM is accessed it has to get powered and since it is slow the CPU has to be clocked longer not to mention that if data are compressed (RBSC)the CPU has to decompress the content before it's of any use. This may not be a huge difference but when you repeat this cycle half a million times it ads up to a lot more power drain - Same thing goes for the SD-Flash except these are rarely compressed.
The time-proven workaround is to set aside a region of fast RAM to shadow content from the power hungry non-volatile storage.
The bottom line of power drain is a trade off between Free-RAM size vs. DSK caching. The best of both world solution may be to run a cache resized automagically (HLM\System\StorageManager\FATFS\DataCache=0 and FATCache=0). The OS caches all it needs in RAM and automatically writes dirty pages to storage in the background or when more RAM is needed to run your programs.
Actually the above automatic cache schema is not the best solution for our phones. To further increase your battery life you need to hardset your cache size so WM does not have to keep resizing all its different caches non stop!
The big plus with hardset cache size is the RAM free space won't become as fragmented so WM will be less unstable.
Interesting Cache size settings are one of 512, 1024, 2048, 4096 in number of sectors... the RAM usage is only half that (2048 sectors fit in 1MB of RAM). Logically you want to keep a smaller FAT cache ratio for the Data it's pointing to. If it's too small you will get cache missed and data will get fetched from storage.
Now you can set your own preferences based on your needs and be your own chef: more free RAM for large programs Apps. or longer battery span.
Is that empowering to tweak your favorite ROM?
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Arent you too smart not to cook ?
ochakov said:
After about a week with DVHA v22, I switched to PDACorner v25
It's 2:40pm now and my battery is empty.
Same device, same battery, same programs, same emails...
Everything is the same - the ROM is different. It was 40% battery left at the end of the day with DVHA, now it's empty in the middle of the day.
Any thoughts?
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Yep, I hear you mate! That's why I said:"If you run testing on different ROMs with a standard usage pattern (voice calls, SMS, Push...) using the same Radio set to 2G the difference will be the ROM OS image itself.
The part of the OS that makes the most difference for battery drain is the way the storage is accessed: either directly (ROM/SDFlash) or from live RAM."
Luckily I have some solutions ... but this will require manual reg. surgery on a per ROM basis until it gets integrated directly in the ROM builds (combination of PwrMgt fixes and ROM access avoidance for the most part).
Last weekend I spent half day poking around the UI while at the same time playing MP3 non-stop. After 6 hours I still had around 60% bat. I think I have the Reg tweaks for "long-life battery"
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Last weekend I spent half day poking around the UI while at the same time playing MP3 non-stop. After 6 hours I still had around 60% bat. I think I have the Reg tweaks for "long-life battery"
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Glad to have U on the Hermes forum! This sounds very interesting and Looking forward to your WM OS tweaks knowledge...
anryl said:
Arent you too smart not to cook ?
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You have a real good point but I don't know how to make my own sandwich...
If I am pleased with what is in the ROM, why try to cook my own when I don't know exactly how it's done?
Instead I fix the installed base ROM with my own performance tweaks. At this point I believe this is the most productive way for the user community instead of having one more cook competing for the best ROM combination of Apps.
I shall post my Long-life battery tweaks which by the way yields performance improvements through less ROM access.
On another note, the SDCard issues people are having may be caused by the SD internal wear-leveling logic relocating blocks thus scrambling cached FAT...
I will post on all the above once I can contribute sure fixes.
SF/.
sanfrenchysco said:
You have a real good point but I don't know how to make my own sandwich...
If I am pleased with what is in the ROM, why try to cook my own when I don't know exactly how it's done?
Instead I fix the installed base ROM with my own performance tweaks. At this point I believe this is the most productive way for the user community instead of having one more cook competing for the best ROM combination of Apps.
I shall post my Long-life battery tweaks which by the way yields performance improvements through less ROM access.
On another note, the SDCard issues people are having may be caused by the SD internal wear-leveling logic relocating blocks thus scrambling cached FAT...
I will post on all the above once I can contribute sure fixes.
SF/.
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Would you mind posting up what you have for us to have a play around with?
facts.
US tmobile rom.
100 % battery at 8am from overnight charge.
used config 3.3 for all advized power savings.
no push internet, or anythign like that..weather etc..all basicaly stock.
no running programs..
connected on the EDGE network.
downloaded 5 emails, responded to 1
browsed opera for 5 minutes
used built in youtube to watch a 5 minute vid clip.
youtube vid clip took 30 minutes to download (due to edge speed)
back of phone very warm as if it were ON a charger
now i am at 75% bat life.
info says
0 standby time
0 talk
1 hour 20 min device usage (of which was only what i had above.)
can i get an opinion? or better yet, can someone do the EXACT same thing and if your at 75% after doing what i did?
i just dont feel right about it...it seems yesterday before i got advice about using my wireless... i tried edge today... and it seems to be identical as yesterday... maybe i feel this way because last week i noticed when i was charging in the car and at work via laptop... the charge light kept going out after 10 seconds and flickering even though it was around 70% full...kind of like i feel that i have 25% dead cells or something...
Hi there,
You might want to try this as i remeber reading this in a thread about the battery life of the tp 2. With adv config do not put the power saving settings on for the memory card as for some reason it uses more power.
However if you are not using a mem card then I am not sure.
Hope that helps
yes i did see that, treid both ways.. no change.
I spoke to tmobile yesterday and they are sending me a new battery.
today i turned the phone on at 100% and seen it drop 3 percent in 15 minutes reading 1 text message....
ill know if this is all solved possbily friday, if i get my new battery.
Hi again,
If it helps, still on stock Rom, not used advanced config to configure any power settings, prefer the manual approach of use the reg for anything I feel the need to change.
Been a slow day today with the Rhodium, but here's my stats for you.
Battery currently at 80%, not using the 1% tweak either.
9hrs 38 mins standby since last full charge (left in docking bay overnight)
6 minutes talk time
37 minutes device usage
16GB Sandisk card, HSPL, Stock Rom, Stock Radio, Tmob UK
Bluetooth allways on, though not always connected (Mainly HFP and A2DP usage for in car)
my advice, as posted before, do a hard reset, don't apply any tweaks at all and see how it goes.
I have installed a great deal of apps and quite a few reg enhancements (See my tweaks thread 90% of them are on my device)
manually set to GSM (constant bouncing from HSPDA in my location if not forced, which hammers my charge)
Installed apps,
SPB Mobile Shell & TF3D for UI
Exchange push mail active
TT7, Coreplayer, Skype, TCPMP, FMRadio, DOTFred Taskmanager,MAXTTM TF3D Config, WKTask, PIMBackup, PowerRadio, SPB Radio, SPB TV, MP3 Trimmer, MP3 Alarm, Beastmaster, VoiceCommand, and a *** load of games.
Are you using a wall charger to charge in the evenings or only USB?
How low do you let the device get before charging again.
Normally I would charge whenever possible, charges in the car cradle, charges when docked in the office.
However today I've let stay uncharged all day to monitor just for you mate
Cheers,
Beasty
THANKS.. that does give me some info..
im definatly going to get a new battery..
i will hard reset tonight...
you mention you dont use config 3 for your tweaks, you just go into the reg...
i was thinking that too.. this all seemed to start around the time i installed that program....( i did check the memory card powersave option)
tonight i will hard reset...and try what you do...
appreciate your help...
quick question, since im doing a hard reset and reloading my tmo rom back in to stock.... i read a post where someone said that if you cancle the "extra" instalations during this time, it wont load in the extra tmobile bloatware...
are you familiar with this?
I have also noticed if the notification lights goes blinking or maybe flickers, the battery is consumed more than its usual when it stays off. I do not know why....
loueber said:
THANKS.. that does give me some info..
im definatly going to get a new battery..
i will hard reset tonight...
you mention you dont use config 3 for your tweaks, you just go into the reg...
i was thinking that too.. this all seemed to start around the time i installed that program....( i did check the memory card powersave option)
tonight i will hard reset...and try what you do...
appreciate your help...
quick question, since im doing a hard reset and reloading my tmo rom back in to stock.... i read a post where someone said that if you cancle the "extra" instalations during this time, it wont load in the extra tmobile bloatware...
are you familiar with this?
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Yes,
You used to be able to soft reset during auto config, however I had heard reports that this no longers works on the Rhodium.
Cheers,
Beasty
I noticed that processor intensive stuff like watching videos drains the battery quite fast. I was watching a 2 hour movie and the battery was down by about 50%. So battery killers I noticed so far are:
- Surfing on mobile data connection (just keeping it online but without data transfer seems to have little impact on battery life, so things like push mail or push internet shouldn't drain the battery that much).
- GPS
- Anything CPU / Graphic intensive like Videos, Navigation system.
No surprises here, actually. Apart from that, i have very decent battery life of about 3 days normal usage (little surfing, push mail, push internet, 10 minutes of calls per day and using a few apps (task tracker and a few games .
heres an update...
last night i did what beasty recomended... i hard reset.. installed only icons etc...stopped push internet...opera..etc...
the only thing i DIDNT reinstall was System congif 3.3..
i immediatly noticed a difference in LESS battery drain....
so far, i am leanign towards System config program does something that increases battery drain...
althogh there are a few settings in that program i would like to use, i am very hesitant on reinstalling it as it might cause a problem again...
heres a couple questions for all..
is there any way i can copy MY rom with all the settings programs icons, etc etc.to be able to flash my stuff back? Not just back up my stuff.. but everything i done..so if i ever had to hard reset, i would be hard reseting to MY settings and rom and not factory tmo rom?
also, if i were to install system config, and it changes settings...if i were to UNINSTALL sys config, do all the settings now go back to what they were before i installed it?
i would like to try and confirm it was sys config causing problems, but dont want to have to hard reset all over again...
Uninstalling Advanced Config will NOT revert settings.
Look into UC, most cooked Roms are UC compliant now thanks to Sleuth's code, see here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=366337
and
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=AutoRun
Once you understand UC, you can create your own customisations, apps list to install etc etc, this way each time you flash a Rom, or hardreset all your apps and configs are applied automatically by UC.
Hope that helps,
ps, advanced config is not currently listed as supporting the Rhodium
Cheers,
Beasty
yes that helps ALOT!
thank you..
i will see if i can understand UC... maybe if so then it would help me greatly...
i will stay away from advance config...
thanks for all your help... im currently learning about my TP2 while learning how to rebuild my clutch on my Ninja...lol...
loueber said:
yes that helps ALOT!
thank you..
i will see if i can understand UC... maybe if so then it would help me greatly...
i will stay away from advance config...
thanks for all your help... im currently learning about my TP2 while learning how to rebuild my clutch on my Ninja...lol...
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Enjoy,
Rebuilding the clutch on a Ninja........ easy job too
Rebuilt many a bike, I think every rider should, gives you a much better understanding and appreciation for your machine, especially when your getting close too the 200MPH mark round the track, who better to trust than yourslef, knowing that you put every single nut and bolt in there.
Great fun, I once burnt a whole through two pistons at 180 (fortunately down the straight)
Seems we share a few similar hobbies mate, good luck with both.
The Wiki is always a good place to start on here when learning things.
Cheers,
Beasty
LOLLOLOLOL wow... 180!!
lol...
this forum and the zx10r forums are the only forums im on...hahah...
both are a great help from people like you... i just finished replacing my fork seal... but its still leaking.. ill have to look very close on second repair.. must be some sort of scratch... the best was when i using my TP2 to view the repair manual as i was working on it!!
hey guys plz post ur battery status here along with the radio version you hav on ur phone
this wud be of great help for future reference for all of us and to select the best Radio version
Plz charge the battery to full and use it upto the limit
lets see which Radio and Rom drains the minimum battery juice!!
Smartphone battery life is obviously the prime factor in buying a Smartphone
Thank you guys
plz join in and help all
plz update guys
it wud really go a long way in helping all
atleast post ur recent usage stats
standby 22hours
talktime 1hour
internet 30mins
now battery is at 23pc
my rom is the official htc 6.5
That will depend on the usage and can be different as some radios work better with some mobile providers
The best way is to test several combinations ROM/radio till you get the best.
I´m using latest Energy Photon 6.5.1 with radio 4.46 and my battery lasts me 36hr aprox. with a lot of usage, customization, calls, wifi, bt.
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That will depend on the usage and can be different as some radios work better with some mobile providers
The best way is to test several combinations ROM/radio till you get the best.
I´m using latest Energy Photon 6.5.1 with radio 4.46 and my battery lasts me 36hr aprox. with a lot of usage, customization, calls, wifi, bt.
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ok, how in the world are u getting such good battery life...ive got the same rom loaded and ive sent about 20 text messages and its already down to 75%....also, it appears as tho my data connection keeps turning back on by itself and i KNOW for a fact that there is nothing auto updating that would cause it to turn back on
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ok, how in the world are u getting such good battery life...ive got the same rom loaded and ive sent about 20 text messages and its already down to 75%....also, it appears as tho my data connection keeps turning back on by itself and i KNOW for a fact that there is nothing auto updating that would cause it to turn back on
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my data connection keeps turning on and off as well. it's annoying. i've turned everything off but it still keeps coming on 3 min after i turn it off
I'd be interested in doing some kind of standardized comparison also. I read posts where some people get great battery life, some people get terrible battery life (I'm in this category), how some people's battery life improve after a few recharge cycles, etc. At this point it's hard to tell whether some people have faulty batteries, some people use their phone more than others, or some ROMs just consume more battery than others. To do a comparison, we'd had to have some kind of agreed upon methodology and here's my proposal:
1) Install acbpowermeter. Just assume that it works the way it's supposed to. Even if it doesn't, since everyone uses it, the methodology is the same so that results can be compared.
2) Whatever ROM/Radio you have, just report it.
3) With phone plugged in, soft rest your phone and wait 5 minutes for everything to get loaded.
4) Turn off the backlight, and run acbpowermeter. It will start measuring power consumption.
5) Turn off the phone right away and after 5 minutes, turn on the phone and pause acbpowermeter.
6) Report your average power consumption and total power consumption, as given by acbpowermeter.
This will give us an indication of how a ROM/radio performs with no activity. This assumes you have no other programs installed/active that contributes to power consumption, but even if you do, I don't think the results would be that far off. I'm curious to see what the idle power consumption is. You might want to run this a few times to get some consistent results before reporting. Also report if you get some spikes in the graph or if power consumption is stable during the 5 minutes. My initial results are an average of about 90mA and 6mAh during 5 minutes. One big spike up to about 360mA at the beginning. This would mean about 72mA per hour or about 21 hours for a 1500mA battery. This is close to my experience of going from 100% to 80% when I wake up in the morning (5 hours of sleep). Terrible. I might just have a bad battery....
EneryROM 11/8 23504. 4.47 Radio.
If anyone else has some suggestions on how we can compare battery consumption, do share, as I think this would be useful information to have.
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ok, how in the world are u getting such good battery life...ive got the same rom loaded and ive sent about 20 text messages and its already down to 75%....also, it appears as tho my data connection keeps turning back on by itself and i KNOW for a fact that there is nothing auto updating that would cause it to turn back on
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my data connection keeps turning on and off as well. it's annoying. i've turned everything off but it still keeps coming on 3 min after i turn it off
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On WVGA tweak there is an option to auto disconnect GPRS every certain time, enable and reset.
Or install this app (attached)
Thanks to original creator, not me
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On WVGA tweak there is an option to auto disconnect GPRS every certain time, enable and reset.
Or install this app (attached)
Thanks to original creator, not me
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ill be happy to install this cab and use it but i wish i could figure out why the data connection keeps turning on in the first place...its highly anooying and very unneccesary
after trying about 12roms i am back to the htc official 6.5rom
it has good stability nd battery life!!
but still i like the leo or manila 2.5 very much!!!
hope it supports landscape soon!!!!!!!!
This thread that I've revamped from my Evo 4G/3D days, hoping to share some of the love with newer users. Over the time I've been on android, I've learned a few simple things that can greatly assist in the battery life of our wonderful smartphones.
If you get anything out of the thread, please don't hesitate to rate it and drop me a thanks!
If you read the thread and like the tips, have a new one to suggest, or have a revision, please post it.
On a similar note, moderators, thanks for the sticky!
General Lithium Ion Battery Information
^^This link includes stuff about charging, including trickle charging aka SBC (Why NOT to use it, or at your own peril)
My tips for good battery life:
Tips for Non-Rooted users
1. Turn off all radios when not in use.
(Bluetooth, wifi, data, 4G/Wimax/LTE, NFC, etc) Use a widget like the default power widgets, Switchpro, or a similar app from the market. Newer android versions generally allows users to access these radios and other settings from the notification pulldown menu, , under the "Quick Settings" tab or a row at the top of the pulldown. The radios of the phone draw power if on even if the user isn't actually utilizing the radio's functions. A radio searching for signal (if you are in a low-signal area) drains more than a radio with good signal, so again, turn 'em off when you aren't using 'em.
To manually turn off radios without a toggle, go to menu>settings>wireless & networks.
Wifi uses less battery than 3G, so use wifi when you can.
Unlike the others, GPS radios only draw power when you actually need them, so you can leave it on all the time.
2. Juice Defender is one of my favorite apps. Basically it controls your data for you to maximize life.
More explanations are on their page, search it on the market for free, or upgrade for more features.
Here are my settings for it: Click me
Note that for me at least, juice defender likes to deny apps data privileges whether you allow them or not, so screen on = data on works best for me.
3. I love live wallpapers, and I’ve always been a fan of pixel zombies, but they are really only good for showing off due to their battery drain.
4. Sadly, the "always on mobile data" setting is gone. This tip is invalid.
Go to menu>settings>wireless & networks>mobile networks>disable always on mobile data.
Product F(RED) said:
To clarify, "Always On Mobile Data", when turned off, lets the 3G modem go to sleep after the screen has been off for 5 minutes. It doesn't interfere with anything like email or any other application that requires an internet connection at that moment because it turns on on-demand rather than being on all the time and wasting battery.
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5. Set your screen timeout to something that fits you.
The screen is the highest drain of battery power on any smartphone. BY setting the timeout, you can prevent your phone from staying on when you don’t manually turn off the screen. Also, manually turn off your screen when you’re done with your phone.
Menu>Settings>Display>Screen Timeout
I use 30 seconds.
6. Task killers used to be the shiz, but no longer.
Here is the ultimate, in depth, graphically assisted, explanation by the famous Fresh ROM's chef, Flipz. Shortly, in light of recent testing, really don’t do anything but force apps that the android OS needed to be open, and thus didn’t close, to re-open. So try not using them, unless for stuff like trying to figure out why your phone isn’t sleeping with system panel. You really won’t notice a performance difference, and the adverse effects you aren’t seeing will stop
+=+ A good alternative is the application SystemPanel Pro. It has a free version, but I highly reccomend purchasing the paid app. It basically monitors everything going on with your phone's usage both in real time an in terms of usage history. If your battery is draiging fast, it tells you what app was doing it, how much it was doing it, and allows you to stop it.
7. I'm sure you have all heard around that your phone isn't "sleeping".
This is referring to the phone's "awake" time, hence the name. When you go to Menu>Settings>About Phone>Battery>click on the small battery graphical, you can compare the two lines, time on and awake. Generally, up time refers to the amount of time since the last reboot. The "awake time" is how long the screen has been active. The problem is, a lot of the time, due to the endless possibilities of inconsistencies between apps/ROMs/kernels/phones, the phone will not go to "sleep", drawing power proportionate to the screen being in use when it reality the phone is sitting idle.
If you compare these numbers, and they are the same, or if you note the difference, turn off the screen for a minute, then re-check and they are the same, then your phone is not sleeping.
One solution is to reboot.
I recommend two apps to help monitor:System Panel and Better Battery Stats. These two apps (explained in their FAQ's and descriptions greatly aid in finding those rogues.
Usually, SystemPanel will show an app that has gone "rogue" and is keeping your phone awake.
-This is done by hitting menu>settings>monitoring enabled. Then after some time has passed, ht menu>monitoring>history>change tab to top apps, and see if anything is above, say, 2-4%.
Uninstall applications/reinstalling them slowly, checking after every install to see what is causing it is one tedious but surefire solution.
Lastly,
Follow these steps that I have discovered almost always work.
1. Reboot phone.
2. Instantly upon reboot, as soon as you gain control, open up some type of monitor/taskkiller
3. "kill all" tasks on startup; about 5 times in quick succession should do the trick.
4. Turn off the screen and leave it for about five minutes.
5. Check the up time v. awake time and see if they are the same.
6. If they are, repeat steps 1-5. If they are different, you are good.
8. Apps and Combinations to watch out for!
-Facebook- Tries to sync live feed all the time, HIGHLY recommend unchecking this box, as it creates a massive draw on data
-Skype- This app reportedly (I've seen it myself) likes to sync random data and open up the network for fun. Sign out of app when not in use to fix
A rogue process called "gsiff_daemon", associated with the gyroscope. Changing its name seems to be the only semi-permanent solution. It's located in system/bin.
Lightflow is a pretty damn cool notification/led manager, but it eats up ridiculous system resources using its alarm wakeups. Use at your own risk.
9. Manage your syncing.
This is a big one, and it differs from person to person. Go to Menu>Settings>Accounts and Sync, and take a look at what's going on there. The green or checked or activated box to the right of the option means that there is an account syncing data. I for example have four email addresses, facebook, dropbox, box, weather, etc. That is bad. You should go through and turn off syncing for nasty apps you didn't even know where accessing the internet, or limit the access of apps and services that you do want to allow.
The problem lies in the way this syncing is handled. Each app/service runs on its own schedule, making it particularly likely that your phone could almost always be establishing a data connection and trying to download data for your various apps. See step 2 regarding the app Juice Defender to handle this problem.
10. Vibrate Settings
Vibration and haptic feedback eat up a surprising amount of battery. If you have the haptic feedback enabled, then every time you press anything your phone puts out some juice to make itself dance.
At least on the GSIII, the settings are in menu>settings>sound
Some apps have their own haptic feedback settings, and notifications are their own set entirely.
Root Tips LIVE
Tips for Rooted users:
1. Try out custom kernels.
By going to the Galaxy S III Android Development section of the forums, you can see all of the different kernels being developed. These allow for all kinds of modifications like underclocking the CPU and undervolting, both of which save battery. To see how to use them, read the FAQ's in each thread's OPs.
Here is a great guide to custom kernel's by mroneeyedboh.
2. Use SetCPU in compliance with whatever your custom kernel allows.
This site will explain the basics of SetCPU: http://www.setcpu.com/
-Profiles from SetCPU should usually involve these for battery life optimization:
-Screen off at the minimum clock speed for both, with the max raised on level if sluggishness is apparent
-A temperature greater than “X”
-General power related profiles that lower cpu speed at lower battery levels
-Here are my SetCPU profiles: 1 , 2 , 3
-My profiles change a lot as time goes by, because different kernel creators recommend different settings. I suggest reading up on whatever kernel you are using to gather settings.
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NOTES:
*Some apps or processes begin to run at startup and keep the phone awake. These apps are not detected by things like spare parts or system panel, unless sometimes represented in the "system" process, in which case its usage will be unusually high.
This shouldn't take more than three repeats, and if it does, you need to factory reset, and slowly add apps back to see what's causing the problem.
___--- When it comes to actually "calibrating" one's battery, there are a couple of methods floating around. The method I first learned is to charge the phone all the way, boot into recovery immediately, and "wipe battery stats". Then reboot quickly, and run your phone all the way to death without charging it, then charge it all the way without interrupting it, and you should be good to go. Do this when changing ROMs/kernels for best results.
----When it comes to people claiming 20 plus hours of moderate/heavy use out of their current setup or other ridiculous absurdities, consider my position: No matter what you do, the Evo battery is the Evo battery. You can tweak it and customize it with kernels, ROMs, and settings, but none of that will turn it into a car battery. The main problem (besides a false sense of pride) that leads to these reports is the misunderstanding of what the usage levels are, so here’s my best summary:
* *Light usage – Phone screen actually on for maybe 0-2 hours. Things like a few texts, some emails, 20 minutes web browsing, etc.
* *Moderate usage – You watched a few youtube videos or similar apps, sustained web browsing, hundreds of texts, some games. Hours range from about 2-5 of screen on
* *Heavy usage – LOTS of video watching and games, 3D pics or video, or some high def gaming/movie watching for at least an hour to an hour and a half in total, with lots of emails and texts, browsing, and other app shenanigans. 5+ hours
*I’m sure everyone doesn’t agree with all these numbers, but this is most likely a good average of what powerusers think. All specific hourage may vary due to differences in phones, batteries, ROMs, and kernels… Which also means that most battery comparisons are pointless; it’s only what you can improve on that counts!
I’ll update this whenever I see good stuff, people remind me, or I remember/come across things I do.
Hope it helps everybody!
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I'm not quite sure if leaving the GPS on actually eats up battery now. I've seen articles now that state that GPS is only used if a program needs it. When I go into battery and usage, GPS will only show it has been used only a couple times with the apps that I opened such as Facebook, Speed Test or Gas Buddy. I think with ICS, it has changed in the way that GPS actually works and it is not actually constantly using battery.
jhuff83 said:
I'm not quite sure if leaving the GPS on actually eats up battery now. I've seen articles now that state that GPS is only used if a program needs it. When I go into battery and usage, GPS will only show it has been used only a couple times with the apps that I opened such as Facebook, Speed Test or Gas Buddy. I think with ICS, it has changed in the way that GPS actually works and it is not actually constantly using battery.
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This is correct and I have confirmed it. Just haven't updated the op.
Thanks for calling that to my attention.
The one about turning radios off is one that makes all the sense in the world, but I'm not sure in practice if it makes a significant enough difference to override the inconvenience of having to flip things on and off as needed.
I can only speak from personal experience but for about two weeks my wife and I, both with S3's, were shutting radios off when not needed out of habit from our Epic days. However, since then (well over a month now) we just leave everything on all the time... and I do mean *everything*: GPS, Wi-Fi, NFC, cell radio, BT... and the difference has been... wait for it... so little it's actually been hard to quantify!
My own take on that rule is to leave everything on and see what you see... it's always easy enough to turn things off if you find your battery life not living up to expectations and if it winds up being a trend, so be it, leave things off as suggested in the OP. For my wife and I at least we can get through an average day and finish up before going to bed around 30%-40% battery most days. To me, even if I could get that to 40%-50% left, that 10% difference I can accept for never having to worry about what's on or off.
Laziness has a price, and it's around 10% of my battery life apparently
great tips!!!! definitely improved my battery with these!
The radios are extremely dependent upon your area, signal strength, the walls of your house, the apps you have installed that actually call upon the data... So ideally, if your area has amazing signal, your walls are hyper radio permeable, and you don't have many data intensive apps, then you can probably get by with minimal loss. People who are feeling the itch to test should certainly go ahead and try, but the same could be said with most of these tips. This is simply a guide of suggestions. YMMV
fzammetti said:
The one about turning radios off is one that makes all the sense in the world, but I'm not sure in practice if it makes a significant enough difference to override the inconvenience of having to flip things on and off as needed.
I can only speak from personal experience but for about two weeks my wife and I, both with S3's, were shutting radios off when not needed out of habit from our Epic days. However, since then (well over a month now) we just leave everything on all the time... and I do mean *everything*: GPS, Wi-Fi, NFC, cell radio, BT... and the difference has been... wait for it... so little it's actually been hard to quantify!
My own take on that rule is to leave everything on and see what you see... it's always easy enough to turn things off if you find your battery life not living up to expectations and if it winds up being a trend, so be it, leave things off as suggested in the OP. For my wife and I at least we can get through an average day and finish up before going to bed around 30%-40% battery most days. To me, even if I could get that to 40%-50% left, that 10% difference I can accept for never having to worry about what's on or off.
Laziness has a price, and it's around 10% of my battery life apparently
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Gps Radio?
Really? The radio, even if left on, uses power only when an app needs the position. I am kinda boggled by this? Wouldn't it take longer to aquire the location from the 3-7 sateilites upon the request and then shut back down. What would be the diference? This can't be true about the GPS not sucking any power in ICS when idle.
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Really? The radio, even if left on, uses power only when an app needs the position. I am kinda boggled by this? Wouldn't it take longer to aquire the location from the 3-7 sateilites upon the request and then shut back down. What would be the diference? This can't be true about the GPS not sucking any power in ICS when idle.
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Try leaving it on for the day and go into battery and click on the graph. You will see that it should be black across the board for GPS if the signal was not used. Only time it would be green is when a program utilized it.
ICS changed the Battery Stats. It doesn't display that information in About Device. Uptime is there but awake time isn't.
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ICS changed the Battery Stats. It doesn't display that information in About Device. Uptime is there but awake time isn't.
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Actually, that's incorrect. Menu>Settings>Battery>click on the small graph picture. It gives you many things, including time on battery, Awake time, Screen on time, and charging time. It's just graphically represented.
How do you accomplish #4?
Go to menu>settings>wireless & networks>mobile networks>disable always on mobile data.
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found it under Data Usage
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well, when I turned Mobile Data Off, didn't receive any data (emails, etc.) so I turned it back on
I'm curiouis about this 1 as well. How do we accomplish this as I don't see that option?
Remove that "wipe battery stats" from your tips. its a old myth that needs to die permanently.
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Remove that "wipe battery stats" from your tips. its a old myth that needs to die permanently.
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You are correct.
www.landofdroid.acom/2012/to-wipe-battery-stats-or-not-to-in-androidthat-is-the-question/
I disable everything when I go to sleep at night, or when I am putting my phone on charge in middle of the day to maybe help it gain battery while not draining it, sort of like a power charge I like to think. It's so easy to do, just slide down status bar, uncheck everything (WiFi, Mobile Data, Sync, dim screen all the way) and that's it. I had 22h1m running since last charge today when I was at 4%.
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Thank you for sharing this is to improve life of the battery
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Thank you for sharing this is to improve life of the battery
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It helps to use the right ROM and know how to work your phone:
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Also, apparently Google apps backup is broken for some users. I had a problem with the phone not sleeping and traced it to google backup, apparently it's a common problem with ICS. This is unrelated to contacts/calendar sync. If you have the phone device rooted and use titanium you can leave this off, and as long as you don't lose your phone it's no big deal. Setting is under system settings -> backup and reset.
Figure I would show this off here, had the flu last week and was basically comatose for 30 hours. Only about 2 hrs screen on time, but all radios on and even passed out with navigation on after checking traffic at one point. 51 hours
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I would try disabling Google backup so it no longer updated/synced my info to the web until I next turned it on, but the option says it deletes all the info already stored on the web. I suppose this is good if someone wanted to delete this info for privacy concerns, but there should be an option to just turn the syncing off, or to schedule it for once a day or something.
I have not tried disabling it as I do not want to wipe my info.