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I'm fairly new to this forum, however have been a member of many other forums.
I find this forum quite interesting from the point of view that anyone who asks a question is in danger of being immediately flamed and potentially to the point of never returning.
I recently looked at a thread where someone asked a question that was answered somewhere else. Three members jumped on the bandwagon to flame to poor sod. Another member jumped in to defend the fact that people should be free to ask questions.
In the end, there were 12 replies to the question that, in that thread, was never actually answered.
12 posts just to discuss the relevance or appropriateness of the question that was not even answered.
Most forums I have been a member of have some very strict views on staying on topic. This reduces the flaming which seems to do more 'cluttering' damage that questions that have been already answered.
So if I have a question, I will STF only to find 42,000 topics on the same thing that don't actually answer anything, but discuss the "relevance or appropriateness of the question that was not even answered".
If the members, who should know better, stayed on topic then people would be able to readily identify the good threads more easily and not feel it nessesary to ask again... and again... and again.
So... Instead of flaming n00b questions that have allegedly been answered before, why don't the members of this forum look in the mirror and...
STAY ON TOPIC!!!
Note that I have posted this where I think this kind of discussion belongs... (i.e. not in any of the threads that actually deal with meaningfull discussions about phones).
Let the flames begin...
sounds like you are talking about the hermes wm6 forum... yes we know there is a problem... yes, we are working on it.. and there is already a thread for this.. so there was no reason to start another
BaggyG said:
I'm fairly new to this forum, however have been a member of many other forums.
I find this forum quite interesting from the point of few that anyone who asks a question is in danger of being immediately flamed and potentially to the point of never returning.
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STFU noob.
ok, I jest... but seriously, it did reach breaking point and something had to give... fortunately it's unwinding itself now.
Also to be fair to long time members though, every time a new OS version is out, the place is flooded with n00bs that usually don't even take the time to look at the threads presend on the same damn page.
It's beyond lazy, it's just ignorant to expect people to wipe their arse for them even if the toilet roll is right there in front of them.
Sometimes help is warranted and they get flamed, but when upgrading these expensive devices, they should take the time to understand more about it
Perhaps we should have an aptitude test before allowing access to the forums hehe.
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sounds like you are talking about the hermes wm6 forum... yes we know there is a problem... yes, we are working on it.. and there is already a thread for this.. so there was no reason to start another
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Gee... Hermes forum? How'd ya guess
I tried STF for a thread on this, but couldn't decide what to search on: n00b? Flame? Agro? Dummy spit? Ignorant?... So many choices
But okay... I've had my say so I'll pull my head in and get back to my life.
By the way... Great forum and wiki. Very helpful and informative.
Baggy
Same thing can be observed in the prophet forum too, lately. Once a new OS is out for the device the same questions are flooding over and over again. And it's surprising to see that the so called noobs who just started "annoying" the others are flaming the next generation of noobs who introduce themselves with the same kind of "new and unanswered" questions. The people are not stupid,but the are lazy a... I have the feeling that certain forums are laking of active moderators who maintain order when necessary.
While I think it's important to encourage all members (yes I've seen a few senior members asking things that have been previously discussed in the same thread) I think the whole attitude about it is wrong. There's really no need to get all pissy about it, and much less calling people "noob". Really someone that goes off on a noob rant can't have much of a life in my opinion. We are all busy -some more then others- and we really don't want to waste time answering redundant questions, but isn't going off on someone and calling them a noob an even worst usage of our valuable time? besides..... who really gives a rats ass about getting called a noob.
In closing, if you feel a noob is bothering you, ignore him and he might eventually get the point, or behave like a human beign and help the guy out. However, as BaggyG says don't turn the damn thread into a name calling fiasko. One 20 word post asking a question is not as irritating as a 500 word essay on the stupidness of noobs.
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Same thing can be observed in the prophet forum too, lately. Once a new OS is out for the device the same questions are flooding over and over again. And it's surprising to see that the so called noobs who just started "annoying" the others are flaming the next generation of noobs who introduce themselves with the same kind of "new and unanswered" questions. The people are not stupid,but the are lazy a... I have the feeling that certain forums are laking of active moderators who maintain order when necessary.
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since i dont frequent the prophet forum's and im not sure who our active mod(s) are for prophet, if you would let me know what threads need to be moderated i will be more than happy to flex my muscle in there.
and actually on that note....
If anyone see's anything anywhere on this board that needs to be moderated then please either report the post or shoot me a pm or any of the other mods and i will be more than happy to do what i think is necessary with the thread or posts.
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If anyone see's anything anywhere on this board that needs to be moderated then please either report the post or shoot me a pm or any of the other mods and i will be more than happy to do what i think is necessary with the thread or posts.
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Just wondering if it would be possible to put an announcement or sticky on each forum identifying the mods for that particular forum.
Just a though...
Baggy
Damn. I saw the title and thought "Man, that'd be fun!" and everyone in here is complaining about it? (joking).
Seriously though it is a problem. But everyone here can do something about stopping it. I mean, if you know there is a solution to the question they asked and it's somewhere else in the forums, give them a link and tell them how to find these answers. If you don't know exactly where it is, tell them what forum to search. At the very least, say nothing. When people only read the last page of a thread it is very annoying but those are best ignored. There is absolutely no need to publicly flame someone and waste even more space on a thread.
I'm currently working on a bug tracking system for new roms so hopefully that will reduce a lot of these kind of questions by keeping answers with the questions and moderators and chef's being able to easily delete repeated posts.
It's just a bit of common courtesy which is as sadly lacking as common sense at the moment unfortunately.
Maz
http://maz.net.au/
one of the other things is the sheer VOLUME of replies, in the Hermes section, there are over 250 replies in a couple of threads! not meaning to sound lazy, but that is a hell of a lot!!!
of corse i'm reading them and reading repeat after repeat of questions that are the same.
Its great when the #1 topic poster goes through the posts and copies soloutions to problems and presents it in the 1st post!
hmm think thats covered just about everything on my mind
*gets flamethrower out*
Flamin' time =D
kiddin'
Y'all have to admit. Some of the "senior" members here have this god complex.
Once they manage to have their devices run unofficial stuff - even if it isn't their own work, and they were just following simple instructions, which don't really take much work once you get down to it - they think it gives them every right to go Bastard Operator From Hell to just about anyone else.
I guess it's pretty normal for unofficial channels, innit - I see the same kind of folks in emulation and driver forums. Not to mention linux and hardware boards. But some of the "ascended" here ought to remember that they didn't start as gods, and may not really be that much of a "god" after all.
You know there are noobs and then there are noobs.
Take a look at this thread. If every novice would put half the effort in as this guy did we wouldn't be having this dessication at all.
Don't get me wrong, I do not support flaming (well maybe with some small exceptions) and say what you will about senior members but at least all those guys who "just followed simple instructions" had the sense to go find and read those instructions.
So can your really blame someone who spent time reading and learning when he sees the forum flooded by people who expect to be walked through something step by step without bothering to put in even a minimum effort?
No, dozen responses that don't answer the question are not the solution, but hey everyone needs to went somehow.
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You know there are noobs and then there are noobs.
Take a look at this thread. If every novice would put half the effort in as this guy did we wouldn't be having this dessication at all.
Don't get me wrong, I do not support flaming (well maybe with some small exceptions) and say what you will about senior members but at least all those guys who "just followed simple instructions" had the sense to go find and read those instructions.
So can your really blame someone who spent time reading and learning when he sees the forum flooded by people who expect to be walked through something step by step without bothering to put in even a minimum effort?
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I agree. There's WAAAAYY too much "how do I. . ." posts in the forums when all the information is already there for READING. More stickys at the top of the forums won't solve the problem, because the ones that are there WITH the information are not being read by the noobs even now.
It's really sad for me to see the direction that this board has taken in the past year. When I first registered, it was an AWESOME site with LOTS of users developing useful tools and apps to make these devices even better . . . a place to share ideas and to try out the cooked ROMs.
Then, we had an influx of new users about 6 months ago that simply couldn't -- or WOULDN'T -- search for answers before posting. Now, the board is so bloated with those useless posts/threads that it's a nightmare using the search function anymore.
While I still come here daily to check the General section and the Wizard section, I don't do much posting and only read the threads of general interest to me. I'll help where I can on answering questions -- but only if they haven't already been asked a gazillion times before. I still look for the tools and apps from the developers here to keep tweaking my phone to get the absolute MOST out of it, and I've flashed more ROMs from this site than Quaker's got oats. -- and all without asking "how do I. . ." or "I've bricked my phone. . . " because I READ THE INSTRUCTIONS BEFORE DOING ANYTHING!!!
It's really that simple. All you have to do is READ and FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS -- step by step. Don't skip a step or leave anything out, and it works!!!
that it's a nightmare using the search function anymore.
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As much as I see your point, I have only 2 words to say. "Vicious Cycle".
I'm also a noob but i dont care because i know my options, first do a search ( which by the way is pratically unusable, but not only here all foruns have this problem), but in a community so big it´s comprehensive cause sometimes the answer to the problem is two threads bellow or in the next page, but no let´s open another thread asking the same thing, and i know that such attitude will lead to saturation of the older members.
The answer is simple if someone is in the mood answer if not leave it, until the users realize their options to search for things this will never end.
I'm glad to be here because above all it's a learning place for the ones who enjoy this platform and the ones who just like to know about varied stuff.
Cheers and have a nice weekend
yes thanks everyone for all thr help and advice. Keep it up!
Peace out
Registration fees
To alleviate the amount of worthless posts and to give something back to those that dedicate so much time and effort to this forum (rom cookers, admins and mods) why dont we add a registration fee to this forum?
Just a thought, but I would happily pay an annual fee of 20 eur / 15 GBP for this forum.
Searching
I think that quite a lot of the problem is with how difficult it is to get answers out of the forum search facility if you're not used to it.
Could it be possible to add a dumb-ass version that's the default?
There have been no end of times in the past when i've been searching for info on upgrading and I have to trawl through hundreds of irrelevant posts (most of them telling people to go to other posts that don't have the right info on them).
Also, back in the day there was a lot more info on the wiki section relating to the upgrading/modding etc but now (understandably given the number of devices available) the information only seems to be in the forums.
I like the idea of having a sticky in each thread listing useful articles on common topics. I bet no one will bother to read them though.
I still think my library illustration I gave over at TC stills says it best.
We all know the library is full of info on so many things you could want to know. And we all know what's expected of us in a library; go find the book on the subject. If you have trouble finding the answer, then ask your question.
I think where so many go wrong is thinking that they can just walk in to the library and start asking questions from whoever just happens to be there, rather than first trying to find the answer for themselves in the variety of books available.
And what's wrong with someone who at first was a noob - asking repeated questions - and then learning what's expected of them, and then expecting the same from others? You got told to be quiet in the library, at first you were offended, and then began to realize the benefit, and then inturn expect the same from others.
I really don't expect people to figure it out. Call me a pessimist or call me a realist.
Oh, by-the-way, have you noticed that this kind of topic always results in long, drawn-out posts?
A poll to see who thinks threads like "THE BATTLE OF THE ROMS!" should be deleted
Hello - there are so many threads posting useless questions that have already been answered, and those asking what the best ROM for the Trinity is out there. This really gets my goat - is useless and as the creator of the above mentioned thread clearly said in his first post: "...there hv been many threads abt which the best ROM is in ur opinion, but none of them hv really continued and provided some usefull opinion..."
These threads pollute the forum - an otherwise valuable source of information - and make it more difficult to find the information that people want (especially for newbies). As a result they cerate a new thread asking their question - It's known as the snowball effect.
So I think we should have a vote on it: should these threads be deleted / moved or not? The comments in the above mentioned thread lead me to believe that nobody finds these useful - but let me and everyone else know please.
Nuff said! Time to kick ass, i voted that we should group them all, so that at least we have some funny thread to read in our iddle times. ;-)
L.
haha.. this made my day! great post nealed!
Everyone keeps banging on about useless pointless threads being created and I agree it is a pain but this is an open forum and I'm sorry but you will never be able to stop it unless a major overhaul to the way in which the site is operated is carried out.
You can complain and whinge until you're blue in the face but it ain't gonna stop so why bother?
Just ignore them instead of lashing out!
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Everyone keeps banging on about useless pointless threads being created and I agree it is a pain but this is an open forum and I'm sorry but you will never be able to stop it unless a major overhaul to the way in which the site is operated is carried out.
You can complain and whinge until you're blue in the face but it ain't gonna stop so why bother?
Just ignore them instead of lashing out!
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simply because of the described "snowball effect". I think we need moderators who are fair - but who do that - moderate - and make the forums what they should be - an easily accessible source of info for all - experienced and newbie users.
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Hello - there are so many threads posting useless questions that have already been answered, and those asking what the best ROM for the Trinity is out there. This really gets my goat - is useless and as the creator of the above mentioned thread clearly said in his first post: "...there hv been many threads abt which the best ROM is in ur opinion, but none of them hv really continued and provided some usefull opinion..."
These threads pollute the forum - an otherwise valuable source of information - and make it more difficult to find the information that people want (especially for newbies). As a result they cerate a new thread asking their question - It's known as the snowball effect.
So I think we should have a vote on it: should these threads be deleted / moved or not? The comments in the above mentioned thread lead me to believe that nobody finds these useful - but let me and everyone else know please.
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Darn ..... you posted faster ...
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simply because of the described "snowball effect". I think we need moderators who are fair - but who do that - moderate - and make the forums what they should be - an easily accessible source of info for all - experienced and newbie users.
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Agreed. But this puts extra pressure on the moderators, and until it is implemented (and it may not) there's nothing anyone can do! Do you see my point?
I think you're flogging a dead horse!
yea, watever, watever you guyz think, I created it for the benifit of others, and I dont know what you find so offensive or wrong in that thread, but watever you say guyz. a thread for those ppl who are new to these kind of things and are still confused after doing their research can come here to make a slightly better decision... i dunno why so many ppl find it offensive, i wasn't trying to create competition, or no such thing... wat is it that got you guyz so angry abt this, i have no idea....
so much of anger over that thread?? "polluting the forum", "make it difficult to find information" wow, wow, I didn't expect this to happen... so much of anger against that thread??? wow.... if its that bad, i sincerely apologize for creating that thread, but still why so much of this anger???
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yea, watever, watever you guyz think, I created it for the benifit of others, and I dont know what you find so offensive or wrong in that thread, but watever you say guyz. a thread for those ppl who are new to these kind of things and are still confused after doing their research can come here to make a slightly better decision... i dunno why so many ppl find it offensive, i wasn't trying to create competition, or no such thing... wat is it that got you guyz so angry abt this, i have no idea....
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AK - CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND:
1. New guys cannot find what they want - because of so many junk posts
2. As you yourself said - there has never been anything useful come out of asking people what the best ROM is or to say which one they prefer.
It's not gettin anyone anywhere - the info is there - maybe we need more stickies for the pertinant threads and moderators to dump the junk. Then we'd have a much more useable forum.
" a thread for those ppl who are new to these kind of things and are still confused after doing their research" that's the Wiki - and all can edit / contribute. people need to use the Wiki tho.....
alright, i understand, i get it... ignore that thread and bury it.....
lets get it over with, i dunno why there is so much hype against this...
so, i sincerely apologize for creating that thread.
Talking about useless threads....this one is the perfect example of useless waste of keyboard strokes...
yea, as if this thread isn't "polluting" the forum...
Roms are Roms, Depend On You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi to all brothers and friends, No one actually can reply to this type of question, what's the best ROM, its depend on each of us, for what type of uses, whats we are looking for etc etc..... All the cooking chefs as always do their best to share with Us, no one of us can pay these guys,
SO IF ANYONE OF US WANNA KNOWS WHATS THE BEST ROM SO BROTHERS "DOWNLOAD THEM ALL" AND LIKE US TRY THEM ALL.
Then decide by your own whats the best goes fit for our Mobile.
None offence, no anger, no mood off, Take your time and see what's U need best for yourself.
A BIG STANDING OVATION TO ALL GREAT COOKING CHEFS HERE. and also a big thanks to all members helping this Site.
Here here beautifully put beautyangel.
Peace and love to all trinity owners
I simply don't understand where are the mods to deal with all this mess.. It has become really irritating
Ok, there is something that I want to say.
I know I'm not making myself popular with this post, but I wasn't very happy lately with the comments or the reaction from some fellow Xda-Dev members lately...
This should be a community, where we learn and help each other.
Where we can share knowledge and cool roms (like Toms...) or apps (like Tene's...) etc...
But lately I feel like there are less real Xda-Dev members which appreciate the work and effort, those wizards out there make for us.
Only peoply always complaining about "the need of BETTER beta-testers", is it because these people couldn't test it before a release and are jalous??? Or people complaining about some bugs, and keep asking 100000... times about why there is this bug, how to fix it, or why don't you fix it?? etc... well, let me tell you a BUGFREE rom most likely wouldn't excist... and if you can do it better, why don't you put your TIME and EFFORT in it and make a fix for it... or better make a Rom and share it with us... let's see if you can make a bugfree cool rom??!!
Or people asking 100000... times when will there be a German version of this rom or a Dutch rom or etc... Or why put these apps in a specific rom? etc...
I'm just wondering, do all these people always send 100000... mails to HTC or Microsoft to ask them, why a specific app is in a rom? Why there are these bugs, why this, why that???
I'm just saying why don't we all just show some respect and appreciation to those wizards. To those whom sacrafise a lot of time and work into a project and share it to us for free. Off course I understand, the feedback we all give to these wizards will maybe help them to create a better version or help them make a fix for a bug. But there is some difference between giving feedback and just being a child and complaining ...
I opened this thread, because I feel sorry for Tom (and other wizards)... if you see the post on threads from his roms... more than half is just crap... is just people asking the same thing over and over again... I'm not sure about Tom, but I know I would get it on my nerves when I made something for a community and this would be the reaction... I would ask myself, if it's still worth it to invest so much time into something for all those people...
I used to looking forward to be able to logon on XDA Dev... but lately, I notice that even I got the time for it, I just don't feel like to logon... cause most likely I will missed a page or 2 or 3... but I'm sure I wouldn't miss any potential information...
This post is dedicated to all those Wizards out there... and I'm sorry... I'm sorry there are a lot off people just don't know how to show some respect to you... I hope I still can learn from you, and to use the cool apps and roms from you...
But I must admit, even I'm doubting, will I still comming back to this forum... or should I just leave it???
Just my 2 cents...
100 % agree with you....
Cheers!
you are talking right out of my heart.
i personally tend to ignore all those "but it has a bug!!11!!1" or "i donated few euros now i WANT that feature and i want it NOW" folks. but you are right: it starts to kill the core of the community.
lets all be unpopular together......
...I agree with everything you say cg...pointing out a problem and making the dev aware is one thing - complaining is another completely.
The amount of posts on this website pushing Tom Codon to release his 4.1 rom was stupid...when its ready its ready. If you don't want to wait - install a factory rom and stop whining.
I also have no problem (we've all done it) in asking a question because you can't find an answer...the main point being "if you can't find an answer" - a lot of people tend not to search and fill the forums with duplicate posts.
So...in conclusion....i may not be a regular poster, but I really enjoy reading almost every post on this site - but when you we are in a position when a poster such as coolgadget is thinking of leaving - we need to pay attention...
imagine what would happen in Tom decided to leave - or any of the other cookers - maybe thats what some of the people on here need before they realise what these guys do.
Rant over
I think your post will make you very popular and make you many friend.
I am on your side - only someone with your reputation is able to say that!!
Thank you my friend.
We all have to organize and discipline us in order to get a forum with easy readable informations which helps the community.
Not only consuming and defining requirements is here the right way!!!
Nobody does this in relation to HTC or Microsoft - and Tom and all the other devs work very hard (somtetimes day and night) - they should have the change to concentrate on cooking good roms - not discussing the same problems again and again.
Bottlm Line!
That my Friend is the bottom Line.
I always come on here with intentions of helping out anyone I can. I have been testing with Cool Gadget for a while; he and I have the same feelings here. I am literally drained when it comes to trying to read through the release posts.
I lose my confidence in this community when I read some of the statements, complaints and out right rude comments left by some users.
I appreciate every ones interest, and inpatients for the next release, I don’t condone it at all, but I do get it. You can be anyone you want to be on the internet, some choose to be who they really are, while some cant help but to be that person...
In short, Cool has this right on, I would repost it and change the name just to be the first to say it.
Please people, show a little respect and integrity, it really goes a long way
Thanks Coolgadget for posting this.
Even the original rom of HTC has bug's
Can we make this post sticky?
Ps. it's my 100 post
RE: Coolgadget
True, but might some people say this and that cus they would like to help work of the creator, and not cus they want to blame his work. Have you ever thought about that? And maybe these forums are for not only but for this reason as well, to let the developers help each other, let the users help each other, let the developers help the users and MAYBE vica verse.
Maybe I am wrong.
Regards,
Miklos
biou said:
I think your post will make you very popular and make you many friend.
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i also agree, it's not really fine to search in a thread with about 100pages and the most asked question is really "when do you make german rom", "and found this bug", etc it's really true. It's not comfortable to find real interestening threads. And such statements are totally useless for everybody. I like your point of view!
moderators can edit complains & ****ty comment away.
i was a moderator for a long time on a board, we made some rules.
There rules where simple, follow them or get a warning, still not listening, they got banned.
the normal respected members will always follow the rules.
the ones that are *****ing, making lame & dumb comments will eventually make place for the people that DO want to contribute in a healthy way
look at some of the new members their lame posts....
they are just joining to complain, say this is bad, this isn't good... bladiebladiebla...not good for the health of a community imo
serious, they need to give all the guys that are working on things like this in their spare time some credit.
Complaining & whining..... for stuff that is free....what a bunch of assholes
Good post man
I agree, but I guess its not easy for all newcomers (me included) to fully understand how much work is beeing put into cooking roms, hacking progz to make them better, and so on.
Havent we all been a nOOb? lol, im still one, but I feel like im climbing upwards to a higher plain of existence ( ) the more I read on this forums.
I didnt fully understand (do I yet?) before starting to cook for myself, even though I am provided by tools like the HyperCore kitchen by anichillus, I can see that its still damn much to learn, and that it takes alot of time. Cant even imagine how much hours the pros in here has used, and for free. Amazing..
Maybe we should start a "Guide how to..." section on frontpage, making a part called TouchFlo, one called dialer, one called commManager and so on.
Posting sollutions found in.ex on how to install the touch dialer on a fresh official rom and so on.
And why not let that be readable for everyone, but posting restricted to senior members?
There it could be posted answers for all the common questions ppl would have.
If that could be done, im sure the sections would be easier to scroll through, not having to read 100000 posts asking whythisandwhythathowtopleasethx.....
I dont think the forums will ever get rid of the newcomers asking alot of questions, over and over again. Like me Sending PMs to the wizards, asking questions (that im stupid enough to belive that 1000 others have not asked them about before) about how to....and so on
cheers masters
And Coolgadget, dont leave, we need you here.
itje said:
Good post man
I agree, but I guess its not easy for all newcomers (me included) to fully understand how much work is beeing put into cooking roms, hacking progz to make them better, and so on.
Havent we all been a nOOb? lol, im still one, but I feel like im climbing upwards to a higher plain of existence ( ) the more I read on this forums.
I didnt fully understand (do I yet?) before starting to cook for myself, even though I am provided by tools like the HyperCore kitchen by anichillus, I can see that its still damn much to learn, and that it takes alot of time. Cant even imagine how much hours the pros in here has used, and for free. Amazing..
Maybe we should start a "Guide how to..." section on frontpage, making a part called TouchFlo, one called dialer, one called commManager and so on.
Posting sollutions found in.ex on how to install the touch dialer on a fresh official rom and so on.
And why not let that be readable for everyone, but posting restricted to senior members?
There it could be posted answers for all the common questions ppl would have.
If that could be done, im sure the sections would be easier to scroll through, not having to read 100000 posts asking whythisandwhythathowtopleasethx.....
I dont think the forums will ever get rid of the newcomers asking alot of questions, over and over again. Like me Sending PMs to the wizards, asking questions (that im stupid enough to belive that 1000 others have not asked them about before) about how to....and so on
cheers masters
And Coolgadget, dont leave, we need you here.
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Yes i can follow you but there is a difference between the guys trying to initiate active (proactive) communication and that one which are only consuming!
coolgadget and chandlercjh
I'm in total agreement with you both in all your comments above. If people would only show some patience here especially with Tom and the work he is doing at this great forum... its would be a very sad day if he or any of the other senior members decided to leave. I don't make many posts on here but I am a regular reader and absolutely love the site. I just hope that more people show respect and an ability to use the search function... and i dread the nonsense we will have to read when we near v4.2 of Tom's great ROM.
Agreed fully
Hello Friend;
I completely agree with you.Its not fair that people who make ROM's and other apps are always crucified or pressured.Many time the same questiona are answered previously.But no one wants to read it,it seems.But another thing to be high lighted is that many people can't speak English well.This some time lead to messages which seems arrogant.But I have to agree the message u posted(I saw it before in forum) is the result of a gigantic ego and big mouth.He doesn't even pay anything for the ROM(forgetting a few bucks of Donations) and daring to complain like this.As u say such people can make their own ROM's and make it perfect and don't stop complaining.
And please remember that there are much more people here who are your fans and looks up to you.So please don't be bothered and continue your good work.
Regards and have a nice day.
My alplogies for my following comment as I am quite new here in the forum as well.
I completely agree with these statements here. It looks very childish (to put it in polite words) what many of the members write in their posts when they cry for tthe ROM in another language (you didn't learn english in school??).
Tom is doing a great job and he is ALWAYS polite. Try to behave in the same way!!!
For the beta-tester critics, I just like to mention that the SW from very big companies is also far away from being bug-less.
To mention I sent 10 bucks please provide me with this or that is ***
Come on, go in a restaurant and buy a coffe. What do you get for this money.
My impression is, Tom is doing this because he likes to do it, to share it and to contribute to a comunity. I call this respect. So, show him your respect as well.
Donate to show your respect to him and not because you want something.
my 2 cents in R-E-S-P-E-C-T,
g-fall
Try to imagine XDA WITHOUT Tom
Hi there,
What my dear personal friend Coolgadget apparently forgot to mention is that in a recent conversation we had with Tom -after having read some REALLY NASTY & RUDE posts- we urged him to leave and start using his valuable time to do better things rather than "attempting" to please the varied XDA crowd.
We also tried to persuade him to charge a minimum fee for each download.
In a recent post (some of you might even remember that) I have publicly suggested Tom to go to the beach instead of "wasting" his time following useless remarks of some outstandingly tactless XDA forum members.
All this TO NO AVAIL... Tom is a big-hearted and professional young man who LOVES EVERYBODY, kind and mean alike, generous and stingy alike!
Tom insisted and decided to continue HELPING EVERYONE 4 FREE... Isn't that magnificent?!?
Coolgadget (just like myself) gained among certain "noble" XDA groups a fair degree of unpopularity because of his straightforward writing style, because his posts are always right to the point and MOSTLY because he knows what kind of pain Tom has to "digest" when some people POST FASTER THAN THEY CAN THINK.
Please remember that this forum will never be the same if people like Tom or Coolgadget will decide to leave!!!
In the "Donations to Tom Codon" thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1471616&posted=1#post1471616) I have just posted how important nice and encouraging words are to Tom... I would almost dare to define them just as valuable as generous financial donations.
I thank you all once more for the understanding and support shown so far (and OBVIOULSY for the one you will keep on showing ) and I wish you a great day.
SiperX
I completely agree with the comments made in this post and I apologise for not having any input myself. Tom does indeed make some great roms that make the XDA Orbit/P3300, or whatever you want to call it, a far more useable piece of technology. I am surprised that the likes of O2, T-Mobile or HTC haven't jumped at the chance to showcase how enthusiasts are developing and pushing the boundaries with their technology.
I do think that one of the problems is language and that some people, whose first language is not English, may come across as quite rude when they perhaps don't mean to. This does not excuse peoples inability to use the search function or the ones that are blatantly rude and I would suggest that the mods here clamp down and ruthlessly delete both the rude posts and those that ask the same questions time and time again. Perhaps a sticky in the most common languages on how to use the search function might go some way to highlighting the problem and how it is ruining the forum.
I am not saying that there are not faults with the roms and that Tom does not require feedback; all I am saying is that those that can not offer useful input, who are rude or constantly demand things are not actively allowed to ruin threads.
My life with the Orbit would be far less interesting without Tom's work.
Many thanks and I will donating come payday.
What my dear personal friend Coolgadget apparently forgot to mention is that in a recent conversation we had with Tom -after having read some REALLY NASTY & RUDE posts- we urged him to leave and start using his valuable time to do better things rather than "attempting" to please the varied XDA crowd.We also tried to persuade him to charge a minimum fee for each download.
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hi SiperX and Coolgadget I can only request you to ignore those NASTY & RUDE comments as there are always some ants in heaven.Either we can put negative points for such whiners after a level they will be banned or just ignore it.I kindly request you not to be affected by these remarks by some IDIOTS who think they can have their way.
Coolgadget (just like myself) gained among certain "noble" XDA groups a fair degree of unpopularity because of his straightforward writing style, because his posts are always right to the point and MOSTLY because he knows what kind of pain Tom has to "digest" when some people POST FASTER THAN THEY CAN THINK.
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For this I consider you and others who male this forum a big contribution.But please remember there are many who admire you too.I admire Tom and his works.Not just him the forum itself and many volunteers who make apps in their free time and distribute it freely.
Please remember that this forum will never be the same if people like Tom or Coolgadget will decide to leave!!!
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I hope that day never comes.Is there anything we can do to help you?
FYI
this matter seems resolved
sorry to complain, and this is not a hit on any of the hard work of the developers here, but this site is extremely hard to find any useful information or download any roms off of. I mean honestly, do I need to browse through 800 pages of posts on a single thread to find answers to problems? do you even realize how much redundancy is going on? and all the developers pushing donation requests in your face is kind of annoying. the forum idea was not a good choice to organize the heaps of info on this site. just my opinion, go ahead and flame away...
phenixsun said:
sorry to complain, and this is not a hit on any of the hard work of the developers here, but this site is extremely hard to find any useful information or download any roms off of. I mean honestly, do I need to browse through 800 pages of posts on a single thread to find answers to problems? do you even realize how much redundancy is going on? and all the developers pushing donation requests in your face is kind of annoying. the forum idea was not a good choice to organize the heaps of info on this site. just my opinion, go ahead and flame away...
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First off, there will be no flaming. Secondly, I see a lot of complaining, but very little in the way of helpful suggestions.
I would recommend that you don't waste your time reading through hundreds of pages of each thread. There is a search function that will search each thread, each forum, or the whole site. Learn to use those tools and you'll find that the information isn't as hard to find as you thought at first.
Here's a little tip regarding roms. I've got a HTC vox so i go to the vox section and lo and behold, Roms
A suggestion for the mods while i'm here. Can you make the quick reply box "active" so users can post a reply without have to click on the little thing?
Even the little click is too much for you?
I think you are a lazy men... and yes I agree it is in chaos!!! but with this thread is worst why cause its posted before... click a little on the little thingy you have said and type.... Chaos forum... many many threads about it...
Think about it a few seconds... would you able to enjoy this chaotic site... hahahaha I DO!
dont think just enjoy helping people and making this ****in devices even better than yesterday.
BYE.
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Here's a little tip regarding roms. I've got a HTC vox so i go to the vox section and lo and behold, Roms
A suggestion for the mods while i'm here. Can you make the quick reply box "active" so users can post a reply without have to click on the little thing?
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There is a very good reason why QR is broken. The site admin is aware of it.
Ta
Dave
the main reason is to stop spamming Bot , the bots werent or arent that intelligent to press the QR button and then post, but still they spam with diff User ID's
Ha, yes-it really is!! I love xda, find lots of great stuff, I buy the apps, blah, blah.. I even tried to comment(no reply). How many 'dislikes noobs' do I see lol!! I'm not hideously noobie & we all start somewhere right?! Kind of off putting to be honest..not really fair to those of us that like using the site-I wonder how many questions go unanswered..
Just my little rant.. disgruntled, female(aaargh!), noob..xx
Hehehehe..
If someone says he dislikes noobs. it is his personal opinion not of xda...
We at xda focus on helping everyone who needs it. (I too need help as m nt a developer)
So if some of the questions go unanswered ..belive the fact that either no one knows it or the one who knows it havent seen it yet
I know one of the member who was very rude ... bt he helped others alot (scolding them alongside to search first )
lol!
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Hehehehe..
If someone says he dislikes noobs. it is his personal opinion not of xda...
We at xda focus on helping everyone who needs it. (I too need help as m nt a developer)
So if some of the questions go unanswered ..belive the fact that either no one knows it or the one who knows it havent seen it yet
I know one of the member who was very rude ... bt he helped others alot (scolding them alongside to search first )
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Thanks, was venting-just being female!! Onwards & upwards!:laugh:
Hi xeexe,
As doctor_droid mentioned, sometimes questions can go unanswered purely because others don't know the answer OR it was buried in the forum too quickly and therefore more people, who may have been able to help, wouldn't have seen your thread.
Just like any other situation, whether it be on an internet forum or in real life, there'll always be those who are helpful and those who will ignore/moan at you asking a question. That's natural but there's generally more people around ready to help than there are to dislike you. Don't let it put you off though as this forum has a great community and you can learn a ton of new stuff from here aswell.
By the way, if you're still having the same issue with your phone I suggest editing your thread again so that the question is posted and then bump your thread up so that people will be able to see it at the top of the forum again
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Hi xeexe,
As doctor_droid mentioned, sometimes questions can go unanswered purely because others don't know the answer OR it was buried in the forum too quickly and therefore more people, who may have been able to help, wouldn't have seen your thread.
Just like any other situation, whether it be on an internet forum or in real life, there'll always be those who are helpful and those who will ignore/moan at you asking a question. That's natural but there's generally more people around ready to help than there are to dislike you. Don't let it put you off though as this forum has a great community and you can learn a ton of new stuff from here aswell.
By the way, if you're still having the same issue with your phone I suggest editing your thread again so that the question is posted and then bump your thread up so that people will be able to see it at the top of the forum again
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Thank you I ended up sorting out my 'issue' anyway but then you need to ask to have a post removed, do you? And could you?! My previous post-had an issue flashing roms but it's okay, I was being a noob, lol!
Yeah, I won't let it put me off, love the site-just over-sensitive I guess
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Thank you I ended up sorting out my 'issue' anyway but then you need to ask to have a post removed, do you? And could you?! My previous post-had an issue flashing roms but it's okay, I was being a noob, lol!
Yeah, I won't let it put me off, love the site-just over-sensitive I guess
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In most cases threads won't actually be deleted but as the issue is resolved abd had no replies anyway, just report it by using the orange triangle on that post and ask for it to be deleted due to the above reasons
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In most cases threads won't actually be deleted but as the issue is resolved abd had no replies anyway, just report it by using the orange triangle on that post and ask for it to be deleted due to the above reasons
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Thanks
Okay, so since we have things resolved I'm making a noob friendly closure of this thread