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HD's virtual touch pad?!

hi there
i wondered if someone can make some virtual buttons and nav pad at the bottom of screen so that we can use it in games and other programs
cause all u know that the devise realy lacks the d-pad!!
(something like what HD has in its standard keyboard but more applicable)
for example make a virtual input keyboard but without any alphabetic buttons! instead only nav and some big usefull buttons!
it would make a real change in hd's programing and gameing!!!
thanx in advance
i put some pics for an idea !! sorry for bad quality

thats no problem... emulators have that. problem is that the touch hd don't have multitouch... you have the choice... move ... or jump! that means no jumping forward with sonic or mario...
navigationkeyboard is already integrated in touchpal 3.5.

Ohhh, and this whole time I thought the only thing stopping people from playing games which require hardware input was the lack of a decent software input! Does this mean that the HD will never be able to play games which require more than one input at the same time e.g. racing games (accelerate and steering for example)?
That is such a shame

volume up = speed
volume down = break
virtual touch pad = driving around

See this thread for a great work-in-progress to address this issue
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=466002

NoModE said:
volume up = speed
volume down = break
virtual touch pad = driving around
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Never thought of that! Does that mean you could run a game at VGA resolution with the virtual D-Pad at the bottom of the screen (480x160 pixels)?

Can I say bluetooth gamepad?
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2008/12/bgp100_bluetooth_gamepad_for_phones.html

gadgetuk437 said:
Can I say bluetooth gamepad?
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2008/12/bgp100_bluetooth_gamepad_for_phones.html
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whu pay 88$ when you can pay less... just found this on a quick ebay search

that's not just for games!! it's needed in every program like file explorer and etc. to navigate through files!! u cant select a file with fingers without being run! or while typing or etc.
i know the org. keyboard has it ,but something more comfortable!! dude!

gadgetuk437 said:
Can I say bluetooth gamepad?
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2008/12/bgp100_bluetooth_gamepad_for_phones.html
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The Touch HD won't fit in that chainpus gamepad unless you chop it apart and mod it to extend further. I saw a thread somewhere else where someone did that, but that's way beyond my ability. I'm considering a Wii controller. Would just need some way to attach it. Maybe just a small clipboard to rest them both on or something.

defcon2000 said:
thats no problem... emulators have that. problem is that the touch hd don't have multitouch... you have the choice... move ... or jump! that means no jumping forward with sonic or mario...
navigationkeyboard is already integrated in touchpal 3.5.
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No and no.
It is a problem. It is in emulators (i have myself draw dpad in morphgear) but it doesnt exist for normal VGA games.
and you are wrong about that multitouch problem. There can be place between up arrow and right arrow which will work as right up button. Also if you click on 2 places on HD, it will touch the centre of the points you touched, so it is basically multitouch

Well maybe with the increasing number of these devices having larger screens and no physical buttons someone will start coming out with more controllers.

What about an analogue slider input, like the joystick on the PSP? IMO that would be really cool.

Is is possible to do multi-touch in HD??

Is is possible to do multi-touch in HD?? Coz if it is possible, it would be excellent. Getting better than iphone OS

lunatic_silf said:
Is is possible to do multi-touch in HD?? Coz if it is possible, it would be excellent. Getting better than iphone OS
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In short, no.

jake_tenfloors said:
In short, no.
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Thats not correct because somewhere here on the forum I have seen a gameboy emulator software for the Touch HD with Multitouch support and all people says there that it works perfect!
If I´ve time I´ll look for a link to this thread later!

jake_tenfloors said:
In short, no.
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There are some pseudo multi-touch apps out there that mimic the effect of multi-touch:
basically if you pressed both edges of the screen windows records a keypress somewhere in the middle
so if you had a four way d-pad arrangement with a couple of fire buttons you can 'sort of' emulate multi-touch by capturing a press that registers inbetween say the up and fire button.
see here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=489147
i have even managed to reproduce this simple behaviour in a .net test app.
i also read an article where the hardware of the G1 (yes i know that not a touch HD) was multi-touch capable but the device driver for the screen was not and some clever chappy was attempting to write a driver that would give the point pressed and a radius allowing the 'pinch' style zoom gesture of the fruitPhone.
and if you google for that there are several other even more successful attempts at bringing multi-touch to the G1.
it seems that with that phone the initial limiting factor was actually the OS not supporting multi-touch
winMo also does not support multi-touch....
so this begs the question is the HD hardware capable with a little device driver / OS hacking ???????
anyone????

The game emulator only simulates multi-touch by averaging the point between your two touches. So touching the left side of the screen and the right side of the screen registers as touching in the middle of the screen.
This works for the game emulator (Morphgear is the one they've done this with) because you can make virtual game pads that have hidden buttons. So touching on the virtual up button and touching the virtual A button registers as touching in between them allowing you to have a hidden virtual button at that spot that does the up+jump action.
It's not real mutli-touch, but very well done and handy for that specific purpose.
edit: Beat me by seconds, purec0de

silf there is the search function anyway eh

I know that it is kinda possible, but you've all said "emulates" & "simulates". Thus it not true multi touch like the iphone.
Please remember this is the same guy asking if we can install OSX on the touch HD.

So far, the answer is a simple "no" (e.g.: ditto to jake_tenfloors)
Remember that the HD has a resistive screen whereas the iPhone has a capacitive screen.
There are rumours of companies developing drivers and software packages to get a true multi-touch for resistive screens, however, Windows Mobile 6 (including 6.1, 6.5) doesn't have support for multi-touch.
So unfortunately for us HD users (or Diamond or devices without hardware buttons), we'll have to make do without.

why would you want to install osx on the hd. would you not just buy an iphone or as so perfectly described in a previous post, fruitPhone.

purec0de said:
so this begs the question is the HD hardware capable with a little device driver / OS hacking ???????
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Simply: No.

dlaponin said:
why would you want to install osx on the hd. would you not just buy an iphone or as so perfectly described in a previous post, fruitPhone.
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Coz iphone has terrible hardware specification compare to HD.....

lunatic_silf said:
Is is possible to do multi-touch in HD?? Coz if it is possible, it would be excellent. Getting better than iphone OS
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No, however I made proof of concept software which emulates some multitouch features on any single touch screen. You can zoom in/out by pinching as well as rotate objects. It can also recognize whether you are touching with just one finger or two. So for example you can pan picture around with one finger and skip to next picture if you drag it with two fingers. This is not hw specific and works on ANY single touch device, including touchpad on your laptop and various touch screen computers.

mcano said:
No, however I made proof of concept software which emulates some multitouch features on any single touch screen. You can zoom in/out by pinching as well as rotate objects. It can also recognize whether you are touching with just one finger or two. So for example you can pan picture around with one finger and skip to next picture if you drag it with two fingers. This is not hw specific and works on ANY single touch device, including touchpad on your laptop and various touch screen computers.
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any chance of posting this for us to play with??

+1 I too would like to have such a thing, even if its only for album.

hi mate i agree with purec0de...is there a chance of posting this simply because it sounds like a very nice piece of software and we would be very grateful if you choose to share it.
thx in advance if u plan to post

I too wrote a limited multitouch (MT) demo but the problem was how to map it into existing programs... there are no standard event handlers for MT in current WiMo... this changes with WiMo 7.0 next year. Bottom line you can write a custom application that does a pretty good job of acting like its MT but it is a stand-alone application (read: does not integrate with HTC Album etc)

Please post this multitouch Demos... it would be realy nice to test it

|28-nov_i-zoom|[Tricks and Tips] MULTI TOUCH with SINGLE TOUCH?!

this one is on android but single touch device:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7jgOibdIfM
htc hero multi touch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AgEjBIt1d8&NR=1&feature=fvwp
and im sure this dell is not multy touch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icOMJuuWePY
PLZ IF you find me a program or hack or browser that working on this trick on my Xperia x1
the trick is based on this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2HD3fUEKO8
after a big research i found the perfect program that can do the trick Iswish - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vPt7Mdm6vk
it have the ability of pinch to zoom
the problem is that i cant fond the download any of the versions...
plz find it!!!

He moves only one finger, so it's possible with some cleaver programming

3D-GRAF said:
He moves only one finger, so it's possible with some cleaver programming
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i know that why i ask for any one to make a smart program!!!i think that program save the 1st touch then go to the second and x2 the middle kinda complicated
BUT SHOULD WORK

To my knowledge, some apps actually already use this technique. When you press two points on a screen, it takes the coordinates exactly in the middle and "presses" that. It doesn't work with a screen full of buttons though, as there might be another button where the "dummy" press occurs.

Angelusz said:
To my knowledge, some apps actually already use this technique. When you press two points on a screen, it takes the coordinates exactly in the middle and "presses" that. It doesn't work with a screen full of buttons though, as there might be another button where the "dummy" press occurs.
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which apps plzz tell me
i think if some one can make a program that save the 1st touch then the others will be the zoomand if the 1st spot is far from the middle and getin closer so its zoom out

HMMMM
dxdiadora said:
which apps plzz tell me
i think if some one can make a program that save the 1st touch then the others will be the zoomand if the 1st spot is far from the middle and getin closer so its zoom out
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Well....we know that Opera doesnt...and IE and Skyfire and so on....
Seems like those would be the only relavent apps right?
i mean for me the multitouch would be the most usefull in web browsing...not so much in any other programs...

acidbath5546 said:
Well....we know that Opera doesnt...and IE and Skyfire and so on....
Seems like those would be the only relavent apps right?
i mean for me the multitouch would be the most usefull in web browsing...not so much in any other programs...
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For me its important too so plzz any one hack it or get at least 1 app that uses this trick it'll be the most useful app
ALL MULTI TOUCH APPS ARE WELCOME!!!

Jees. Calm down.

Yeah, you're getting a bit hyped there. Perhaps its time for you to get another phone?
Anyway, there was a GBA emulator around which used that, since you wouldn't be able to press both movement and something else at the same time. I have no idea where it is though - was months ago I saw it.

jea got this GBA prog but never played on touchscreen, opera with multitouch would be very fine, but the display of the xperia x1 is to small for that aktion by using fingers... thats my point of view, but i thougt that the hardkeyboard is to small to type, too. and i was wrong
so it would be a nice gag to get opera browser with multitouch function..

Angelusz said:
Yeah, you're getting a bit hyped there. Perhaps its time for you to get another phone?
Anyway, there was a GBA emulator around which used that, since you wouldn't be able to press both movement and something else at the same time. I have no idea where it is though - was months ago I saw it.
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can u plz tell me the name of that GBA emulator (i have meeboy emulator only gameboy color not advence)
NOTHIng metter just plzz share it or its name plzzz i soo need to have it

dxdiadora said:
can u plz tell me the name of that GBA emulator (i have meeboy emulator only gameboy color not advence)
NOTHIng metter just plzz share it or its name plzzz i soo need to have it
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No. Instead I'm going to ask you to read my post again: please read my post again.

how did you find it >>>> in that way find it again plzzzz i can google it for you and u tell me ok?windows mobile gba

Hi!
Please be careful not to make people crazy about a resistive touchscreen, to become a real multitouch with a piece of software.
A resitive touchscreen like on the Xperia is not like the capacitive ones.
There is simply a physical limit.
Please get yourself a little background about these technologies.
When you press two points on a screen, it takes the coordinates exactly in the middle and "presses" that.
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Angelusz is absolutely right. Nothing more nothing less!
With a resisitive touchscreen, you can sample only one "touch" at one moment in time.
It doesn't work with a screen full of buttons though, as there might be another button where the "dummy" press occurs.
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I won't doubt that some tricky programmers may use the effect, to get something like a multitouch feeling, but the real UI will never behave like it does e.g. on an iphone.
Please slow down dxdiadora
Regards,
scholbert

scholbert said:
Hi!
Please be careful not to make people crazy about a resistive touchscreen, to become a real multitouch with a piece of software.
A resitive touchscreen like on the Xperia is not like the capacitive ones.
There is simply a physical limit.
Please get yourself a little background about these technologies.
Angelusz is absolutely right. Nothing more nothing less!
With a resisitive touchscreen, you can sample only one "touch" at one moment in time.
I won't doubt that some tricky programmers may use the effect, to get something like a multitouch feeling, but the real UI will never behave like it does e.g. on an iphone.
Please slow down dxdiadora
Regards,
scholbert
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thnx for the information about multitouch but can u plz think about my idea :
to make a prog that:
1.take your first touch save it while you still thouching it you touch somewhere els and "it presses the middle of them " then if you move your finger then the middle moves and the prog will chek if it is closer to the 1st point that he saved so it zoom in the first point you pressed
i know that it cant be like iphone but plzz can u try this trick?? ill be so pleased
thnxxx for helping anyway

As far as I know. and I am really sure about this.. You cant use Multi touch on the x1. like. never unless you changed the touch panel on the phone it self or something like that.

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You know what?? I've decided to shut up. it's a shame really that op is making such a big deal out of this crap. multitouch on resistive? ok.
now cool down a bit, otherwise You may jizz in Your pants...

problem with your idea is that, it doesnt see the first finger placement, the sensors are in the corners , so it doesn't tell where you press, but the dead center of pressure, and it counts that as one press, not two separate finger positions. That being said, there is no possible way for it to save the first press, because the first press doesn't actually exist

iswish
can some1 find the software any cab of this iswish please
i realy want the pinch to zoom !!!!!

Check this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=593290
And oh how close to home
SEARCH!!
booya

[Update]WM Music Player

Its gotten to the point where i feel that i should completely rewrite this app if any progress is going to be made .
So Im going to try to find some time to do just that.
so if anyones still using this, hopefully ill have something soon... its nowhere near done, but heres what i have so far.
v0.1.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aygEqcsRcqc
ive attached the (very) alpha version... It looks in your storage card only for your music. and is for wvga devices only.
click on the songs to add them to your now playing playlist, click on the + to add without playing the song.
the player saves the playlist when you click on the clock and minimize the form.
hopefully it works for you
with everything going on i might not be able keep up with this thread very well, but ill try to keep you updated.
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0.0.4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30_ut9H6kBI
You will also need a rom with WMP installed.... btw

Hi Timmy ,
i really like your windows media payer it's possible to send us your cab?
a big thinks !!!

Timmy212 said:
Im new to this Forum thing and feel pretty lost... BUT
I have been looking for a good music player that i liked, but really havent found anything so i decided i would venture off and make my own. This is my first ever phone app, written in .net 2.0 c#. So i thought i would come here for a little guidance since I've been kind of a ghost in the crowd for this site.
Anyway I have only been working on it for a few weekends and some week nights but i think its coming along nicely. I love to use it at work(which is what spawned the notification area... i would be lost without emails and appointments ) and i have basically tried to build it to what i wanted in a player.
I thought Id bring it here to see if anybody would be interested in helping test it out and like i said... maybe give some guidance.
Since i just started i dont really have a cab or anything, just the .exe from the debugger . but if you guys like it maybe I can make it into something that everyone can enjoy!
heres the video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQzPVdEicd0
and pics...
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Hallo Timmy212, i am intressing on your player. Can you send a link for the player.

And can you tell us for which resolution is done?
I am WQVGA resolution.... i hope it's OK

Timmy212 said:
Im new to this Forum thing and feel pretty lost... BUT
I have been looking for a good music player that i liked, but really havent found anything so i decided i would venture off and make my own. This is my first ever phone app, written in .net 2.0 c#. So i thought i would come here for a little guidance since I've been kind of a ghost in the crowd for this site.
i hope you enjoy ...
and i hope it works .
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Hello Timmy212,
i can not open the Player. I have WM6.5.3 an the Files load in the Folder we are you write.
The dlls load in the windows folder. When open the player i have a error.
The specified module could not be found. I am press the details and have this error. myTunes.exe filenotfoundexception The specified module could not be found.
by
System.windows.formsAxhost.create witoutlicence(Guid clsid) etc etc...
we can help you for this problem.

cosmicgate said:
Hello Timmy212,
i can not open the Player. I have WM6.5.3 an the Files load in the Folder we are you write.
The dlls load in the windows folder. When open the player i have a error.
The specified module could not be found. I am press the details and have this error. myTunes.exe filenotfoundexception The specified module could not be found.
by
System.windows.formsAxhost.create witoutlicence(Guid clsid) etc etc...
we can help you for this problem.
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Interesting... I havent seen this error before. Im not sure how to go about troubleshooting that. Hopefully i can work on the player this weekend and see if i cant get a little more stable build up...
Sorry i dont have a definate answer... im trying to learn as fast as i can

Works great for me on my personal 6.5.3 (28008) Fuze build. In fact i love it and so far no bugs. Works fine over bluetooth. The only thing I would love to see added is AVRCP bluetooth remote support.

TaurenSnake said:
Works great for me on my personal 6.5.3 (28008) Fuze build. In fact i love it and so far no bugs. Works fine over bluetooth. The only thing I would love to see added is AVRCP bluetooth remote support.
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Thats definately on the "todo" list, but i havent had time to look into implementation yet... I'm glad to hear it works for someone though

Hi Timmy
First congrats for your work and your sharing. It's revolutionary in it's design!
After playing a bit I can see room for improvement:
1 enlarge the fonts
2 pressing play 2nd time pauses but the icon doesn't change
3 add volume control
4 add exit button
5 add stop button
6 add a screen off option to save power
In the minimised view:
7 the sliding effect seems reversed because the slider is not moving, consider a wheel effect (with or without slider)
8 shuffling through directories is not very responsive, I found the best response when swiping my fingernail on the top or the bottom of the central slider.
9 the directories names are hidden by the finger, maybe move them above the slider
10 enhance Dpad functionality : right/left are ok, up/down should switch dirs (now they behave like right/left) and action button should play/pause (now it's not responsive)
This is it for now
I wouldn't have bothered writing so much if I didn't think it has the potential to become a leading app, so keep up (I also think you are going to get more involved than you thought )
Big thanks !

Nice App run perfectly on my Axim x51 running WM6
Thanks!!!!!!

Hi Timmy212,
It seems to work OK, but on my VGA Loox N560 running Newplow's ROM for WM6.1 I cannot find out how to exit the program. Am I missing something obvious? There seems to be no menu or exit icon? It does look good though. Thank you.

fingerstoo said:
Hi Timmy212,
It seems to work OK, but on my VGA Loox N560 running Newplow's ROM for WM6.1 I cannot find out how to exit the program. Am I missing something obvious? There seems to be no menu or exit icon? It does look good though. Thank you.
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When you pull down the top drawer i had it set the windows state to normal so the x button should pop up in the normal windows taskbar... At least thats how i planned it .

tito12 said:
Hi Timmy
First congrats for your work and your sharing. It's revolutionary in it's design!
After playing a bit I can see room for improvement:
1 enlarge the fonts
2 pressing play 2nd time pauses but the icon doesn't change
3 add volume control
4 add exit button
5 add stop button
6 add a screen off option to save power
In the minimised view:
7 the sliding effect seems reversed because the slider is not moving, consider a wheel effect (with or without slider)
8 shuffling through directories is not very responsive, I found the best response when swiping my fingernail on the top or the bottom of the central slider.
9 the directories names are hidden by the finger, maybe move them above the slider
10 enhance Dpad functionality : right/left are ok, up/down should switch dirs (now they behave like right/left) and action button should play/pause (now it's not responsive)
This is it for now
I wouldn't have bothered writing so much if I didn't think it has the potential to become a leading app, so keep up (I also think you are going to get more involved than you thought )
Big thanks !
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Thanks for your suggestions! ...
all good ideas!
for 1. i Like the idea of seeing as much of the text as i can on the page which is why they are soo small but i have been thinking about increasing the size, especially for lower resolution devices.
2. I do need to implement this,
3. I intially liked the idea of just using the system volume but i might add to see if i like it
4. for my 6.5.1 rom when i minimize it brings up the x button, i didnt think about how 6.5.3 looks
6. again for my rom i just hit the power button and it turns that backlight off, but i will try to add this.
7. Im still trying to figure out exactly how i want this view to work... I really just wanted a Quick way to go through all the album art. Hopefully i can pull something off here
8. The sliding art just works by grabbing the center albumart and then moving it in the direction you want it to go. and if you slide it all the way over and keep your finger on the screen it will keep going until you lift up...
but like i said this MIGHT change
9. i will definately be moving some text around
10. i havent set anything up for the dpad... its just manipulating the listbox that had focus last. This will change
Im about 400 miles away from my main desktop so i havent done any more work on it... but i have been setting up my 6 year old laptop with all the mobile sdk's to hopefully keep the project running the next couple weeks till i can get back home

Thanks for the detailed answer mate, by the way on my build power button stops the music and for the rest, good luck but don't forget to enjoy your holiday

Installed the player in my device with WM 6.5.3 and it works very well.
Besides the points mentioned by Tito i would suggest an exit button as i have to slide down to reveal the taskbar and then close the player from there. On this bulid no exit button comes up.
Also ...is there an option to save playlists?

Timmy212 said:
When you pull down the top drawer i had it set the windows state to normal so the x button should pop up in the normal windows taskbar... At least thats how i planned it .
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Yup, feel a fool.... I found it after posting, but I notice that Claus1953 did not like it either. Thank you for taking the time to reply.
I like your approach to the GUI design though. Up until now I have been using S2P from this site, by A_C. Because of GUI usability problems with later releases, I have stuck with his older 0.58 release. Your player is similar. I am sure you are familiar with S2P? I will consider using your program as it has some advantages already. Keep it up.

Hello Timmy212,
i found the problem. My operating system WM6.5.3 have not a windows mobile player, separate one mobile corelplayer.
Your more player from there mobile functions more player and not with others playern only with windows mobile.
This is a good player and function perfectly.
Sorry for my english.

claus1953 said:
Installed the player in my device with WM 6.5.3 and it works very well.
Besides the points mentioned by Tito i would suggest an exit button as i have to slide down to reveal the taskbar and then close the player from there. On this bulid no exit button comes up.
Also ...is there an option to save playlists?
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there is no way to save playlists yet... hopefully i can get it working soon though ... and also a close/minimise button will probably be in the works also.

cosmicgate said:
Hello Timmy212,
i found the problem. My operating system WM6.5.3 have not a windows mobile player, separate one mobile corelplayer.
Your more player from there mobile functions more player and not with others playern only with windows mobile.
This is a good player and function perfectly.
Sorry for my english.
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excellent... glad you got it working! I should probably figure out some requirements and post them sometime

just one question, sry for bothering you..
what about formats like:
mod, xm, sap, sid,
etc, etc?
any plans for plugins?
just mp3 player with(let's say).. nice look?

[App]Multi 2.0 - Show and Explain Dual-Touch Technology On Resistive Screens

Multi 2.0 is an application that shows the Dual-Touch Technology and explain how it works!
[30,July 2010]explain more things about the Dual-Touch Technology.
downiel said:
... but when i press one of these two fingers a little bit stronger, the "Fake Point" is going crazy That does not appear when i am pressing with my nails, fortunately :d
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Click to see this picture,it may tell you something about it.:
Also
It's Not exactly on the GamePad that "You can ONLY MOVE the SECOND finger you put with your First finger FIXED!"
Just do these step by step,if you wanna understand what I mean:
1.Run this app and turn to "Gamepad" page
2.Press the left-button with a finger of your left hand
3.Press a round-button with a finger of your right hand
-Now You can only move your right-hand finger.
4.Release your left-hand finger.
5.Do as the Step 2 again.
-Now You can only move your left-hand finger.
That's all.
[Explanation]
After Releasing your first finger.The Fake Point inside would go out of the screen.
So the app knows that you have release your first finger.
And it would treat the Second Point as a New First Point.
It means that you can set a New Second Point again and move it.without releasing all your fingers!
[27,July 2010]VGA & WQVGA versions Available Now!
Features:
Picture - You can drag the picture with one finger or stylus and zoom the picture with two fingers[Pinch to Zoom]
GamePad - An On-Screen GamePad that support up to two pressed buttons!
Fact - To show how this application works inside.
Just download and run it without installing..
It may work on all WinMo with resistive screens.
need .NET CF 3.5/3.7 which I think you all know it.
Notice:
My English may be too suck to be understood.
Touch the screen with two fingers one by one but not at the same time!(You can do it quickly even it seems to be done at a time)
To zoom the picture,a gab of about 2cm between two fingers is needed when you start touching the screen!
A Chinese version of sentence for who may understand its translation better than the English version:想要缩放图片,两只手指在按下的时候必须有大约2cm的间距!
You can ONLY MOVE the SECOND finger you put with your First finger FIXED![Not exactly on the GamePad]
How it works?
See the "Fact" part of the application.
And touch the screen with two fingers(one by one).
You'll get three points:
Fixed Point - It is got when you put your First finger.
Real Point - It is truely detected by the hardware when two fingers are put.
Fake Point - where your second finger put.As a matter of fact,the hardware doesn't know anything of it.The position is worked out by the application.
How to get the Position of the second Finger?
NOTICE that when two or more fingers are put on the screen,the hardware would just get the Point in the central of shape which is made up by fingers' Positions.
So.Two fingers's positions(points) make a line.And the hardware gets the "Real Point" in the middle of the line.
Reversely think.We've got the First finger's Position and the Mid Position.
The Second Finger's Position should be in the direction opposite the First finger through the Mid Position.
PS
-This is my first post here.
-I know some members here has been developing the Multi-Touch(Dual-Touch) technology.But I had the idea of creating multi-touch application last year.
-The picture on the application written "Mobile 2.0" but not "Multi 2.0".It's a website[mobile20.com.cn] in China that make evaluations of mobile.The Chinese version of this application was released there on June 7,2010
-Sorry for my poor English..

Pretty interesting app just tested it on my wvga phone
But what really caught my eye was the gamepad thing. Would love to see this in morphgear so we have dualtouch which would make many games more playable.
Maybe I dream to much but still would be great

Do you have future projects for resistive screens now?

iceeyes91 said:
Pretty interesting app just tested it on my wvga phone
But what really caught my eye was the gamepad thing. Would love to see this in morphgear so we have dualtouch which would make many games more playable.
Maybe I dream to much but still would be great
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I'm willing to give the code to anyone who wants it.
(It's written in VB.NET)
But I really have to modify it.As the code is in a mess within some Chinese comments.
Maybe I'll write a 'GamePad'-only(or 'Picture'-only) program for developers.

zinconnu said:
Do you have future projects for resistive screens now?
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Maybe I'll release a dual-touch drum that called "Drum It!"
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I should have clicked MULTI-QUOTE..
But now I can't delete this post.

TangoChen said:
Maybe I'll release a dual-touch drum that called "Drum It!"
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Good idea, that will be funny! But i prefer the gamepad.

Hey,Ge Men,Nice work!

TangoChen said:
I'm willing to give the code to anyone who wants it.
(It's written in VB.NET)
But I really have to modify it.As the code is in a mess within some Chinese comments.
Maybe I'll write a 'GamePad'-only(or 'Picture'-only) program for developers.
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Wonderfull
Sadly I dunno anything about programming , so I can only support by testing/donating
Keep up the work, it would extend all my expection having dual touch on my phone

ghost_nup said:
Hey,Ge Men,Nice work!
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Hi.a Chinese guy.
I just couldn't understand what is 'Ge Men'.
But after searching for it on Google.It returns'您是不是要找： 哥们 各门 格门'
lol.It means man in Chinese.
iceeyes91 said:
Wonderfull
Sadly I dunno anything about programming , so I can only support by testing/donating
Keep up the work, it would extend all my expection having dual touch on my phone
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Thx!!But I haven't got a paypal account yet..It may takes one year till I'm 18 years old.

Great App! I have tested it on my Touch Pro (VGA Screen). In Gamepad mode I have only one round button but everything else worked good!
If both fingers are horizontal to the screen its pretty precise, if I have my fingers diagonal on the screen it differs much.
But: Thank you for your app, it shows that it is possible
Greets

The QVGA won't work on my kaiser .
The pinch zoom works though, Nice work!
The second finger on the screen is a bit off, from the fact tab, so that's why the gamepad doesn't work too well. It registers a press in another spot.

Which file do u use on VGA?
Multi2.0 QVGA.7z or Multi2.0 WVGA.7z ?

终于有中国的哥们发布强帖了~
终于有中国的哥们发布强帖了~

KobiP said:
Great App! I have tested it on my Touch Pro (VGA Screen). In Gamepad mode I have only one round button but everything else worked good!
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AdamiX said:
Which file do u use on VGA?
Multi2.0 QVGA.7z or Multi2.0 WVGA.7z ?
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Sorry for omitting the vga version!
And it's uploaded just now.
KobiP said:
If both fingers are horizontal to the screen its pretty precise, if I have my fingers diagonal on the screen it differs much.
But: Thank you for your app, it shows that it is possible
Greets
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Ya I found the problem,too.
And I thought it was the screen/hardware's problem.
Maybe I'll add a feature for a future project to adjust the value.
Thanks for reminding me!
nemuro said:
The QVGA won't work on my kaiser .
The pinch zoom works though, Nice work!
The second finger on the screen is a bit off, from the fact tab, so that's why the gamepad doesn't work too well. It registers a press in another spot.
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Oh.Thanks for reporting the problem!

This sounds great!
I hope you go on to make a gamepad to be used in emus, so that we can play the same games the HD2 does!

nice work.

Very good work! Gamepad works very well, resizing the image not as good, but that's also a great progress Maybe just my phone has this problem (Touch HD), but when i press one of these two fingers a little bit stronger, the "Fake Point" is going crazy That does not appear when i am pressing with my nails, fortunately :d
Sorry for my english and keep creating such a good applications! ;d

Any plans to work on a ..?
@TangoChen Any plans to work on a system–wide pinch to zoom solution? OndraSter has been workin' on one here, but has gone on holiday. Perhaps, you two should collaborate.

It would be great if you managed to replace the HD2's resources files and fool the entire system in thinking you actually have a capacitive screen.
The DLL (or any other kind of resource files, I didn't study this in detail, but for instance, just checking the "Pinch to zoom" menu in BSB Tweaks instantly crashes the HD ! ) could then be added in cooked ROMs and simulate the official "pinch to zoom" behavior...

thanks
that's great job