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Hello guys,
I have a problem, i haven't used my VPAIII for 6 months, and some days ago i wanted to turn it on, and it didn't react, so i decided that battery is low, i connected my device to cradle, and wait for some hours. So the problem is then device in cradle it's ok i can switch it on and it works perfectly, but if i remove it from cradle it turns off imediately and i can't turn on it again without connecting to cradle chargement, also it doesnt react to usb connection as chargment. Battery is totaly new it was bought from ebay (expanded 3400 mAH). Interesting thing that if i connect to cradle, device turns on automaticall and 1 time blinks led in red and goes booting system with no led light, after i see Windows screen it starting show the same right led in orange always, i see charging battery meter in windows but battery didnt go more then 50%, and everytime i boot on i receive Backup battery Very Low notification no matter how much i was charging my battery.
So i'm afraid maybe it's internal backup battery failure, or my main battery didn't get chargement then it says that charging. Maybe someone of You guys have any usefull advices, what can be the problem? Also if it possible maybe somebody can give me alink or image to see there this backup battery soldered on scheme.
Thanks ppl!!!
Raz
razorrazor said:
I have a problem, i haven't used my VPAIII for 6 months, and some days ago i wanted to turn it on, and it didn't react, so i decided that battery is low, i connected my device to cradle, and wait for some hours. So the problem is then device in cradle it's ok i can switch it on and it works perfectly, but if i remove it from cradle it turns off imediately and i can't turn on it again without connecting to cradle chargement, also it doesnt react to usb connection as chargment. Battery is totaly new it was bought from ebay (expanded 3400 mAH). Interesting thing that if i connect to cradle, device turns on automaticall and 1 time blinks led in red and goes booting system with no led light, after i see Windows screen it starting show the same right led in orange always, i see charging battery meter in windows but battery didnt go more then 50%, and everytime i boot on i receive Backup battery Very Low notification no matter how much i was charging my battery.
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It sounds like the main battery is bad.
Is the battery you picked up new, or new as of 6 months ago? If it's new-new, it is still possible that it is bad.
Also, the charging circuit may have died. Most electronics will work and work, and when they do die, it's usually when power is applied to them (turned on, charged, etc).
The fact that it does charge up to 50% makes me think the main battery is bad. Do you still have the original battery? Try it and see what that does.
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So i'm afraid maybe it's internal backup battery failure, or my main battery didn't get chargement then it says that charging. Maybe someone of You guys have any usefull advices, what can be the problem? Also if it possible maybe somebody can give me alink or image to see there this backup battery soldered on scheme.
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The internal battery is used only when the main battery is discharged or missing.
As for a link, hit the wiki.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blueangel
Under the "Hacks & Tweaks" section, go into "Technical Stuff".
Thanks for reply, new battery i bought maybe 4-6 months ago i used it maybe 1 week, after that i turned off my device and left it for 4-6 months, so nothing should be happened to battery. I'll check device with old one, but it seems that device didn't work with original old one battery too.
Any other solutions, advices?
Thank You very much guys for help!!!!
RAZ
Hi all,
Noob user here
I've a problem with my XDA IIs that I thought I'd get some advice on rather than dispensing of it. Basically...it won't switch on. When plugged into mains the red light comes on for a bit then goes off.
Phone was working perfectly, put it in my pocket got home and nothing, assumed it crashed but doesn't respond to anything. Has been sat on my wardrobe for over a year but could do with using it for sat nav.
Any advice on what to try? Could be the battrey but don't wanna fork out extra cash for a new one as it's even more money lost
If I wasn't to fix it, any idea on what it's worth? Screen is unmarked and it has all standard accessories with it.
Ta
Save you BA man! More or less it's the battery (I think). Or the internal battery is drained to 0%. Have you tried charging it first for a couple of minutes?
Yeah tried charging overnight. Charge light comes on for a bit then goes out. Does the same thing when connected via usb, red light comes on but it doesn't register on the pc.
Was working fine but then one day it just woudn't come on. Would like to keep it if I can, got a touch diamond too now, but this is actually a better phone to use!
try to use a different battery first. And let's see what happens next.
Yeah, I may have to but want to avoid as much extra cost as I can
Bit more info, using the docking station plugged into the mains:
Batt alone - Charge light on dock comes on.
BA alone - Red light on BA comes on.
BA with batt attached - no lights on.
Any ideas??
can you try to put it in bootloader mode?
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can you try to put it in bootloader mode?
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Don't know how to
Plus it doesn't actualls switch on or register on the PC, so can I do much to it?
It's just like what I did with my BA a few days ago, I am flashing it with a new ROM and while in the process I intentionally unplugged the cable during the process and I got an error on my PC and my BA does not turn on anymore. I tried to put it in bootloader mode a couple of times and it did and I re-flashed it again. And it works. Check the wiki...
red_hanks said:
try to use a different battery first. And let's see what happens next.
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yeah, the best thing to do to isolate the problem..
Astecas said:
Yeah, I may have to but want to avoid as much extra cost as I can
Any ideas??
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no need to buy at once, borrow first, then if your BA works using another's batt, thats the time you need to decide spending... cheers
The same problem I had!!!!!!!!!!
I had this trouble... and... YUP!!!!! is the backup battery.
So you cant charge your BA via USB if the main batt reaches less than 35% so keep it safely above 35% men...
BTW... if you have your batt less than 35% the OS can be runing just a little seconds so your batt is dying is not truth that it have 35% it has almost 5% trust me...
Yes!!!! the red led Turns On a little then Goes off... so sad isnt it?... now your backup batt is almost 0% thats why your red led appears... so...
Get a craddle USB-AC_Charging base it has a backtrace to charge apart the batt charge it individual. Once you get a full charged main batt, let your BA rest a little on the freezer to obtain a little power of the Backup batt... (YES ON THE FREEZER!!! ) at least 3 minutes before you plug the main batt.
It wakes up the device... maybe it becomes a few seconds on but... is enough.... if it starts... cradle your entire device on the craddle and wait till its full charged... again the green led appears cause the main is full but let it charge more and more... caus there is no led indicator for backup batt.
NOP!!!!!!! I dont do the freezer trick when i had this problem... cause i get it works faster than you...
Hope this works... post your adventure men....
Red Hanks/Que - Tried both those (ok, maybe not the freezer bit!), and stil no joy. Gonna go out over the weekend and see if a repair shop can try another battrey. Otherwise I may be saying goodbye :-(
Phezthie - The BA was rare when new, now they are non-existent. No chance of borrowing a friends.
Cheers for the help guys.
Well it is a nice idea!
you can make a modded battery for BA with two nokia bl 5c taiwan batts... check the post on winmo 6 subforum.
In my opinion. it's the internal battery since you didn't use the phone for over a year. Hope you can make your BA alive again because there's so much nice apps waiting out there...
I was using it daily before this though, it suddenly stopped working one day. It did however crash a few times before it finally went. I'll have a read up on changing internal batt. Red...I'm gonna try and save it!
Ok...keep us posted and good luck mate!
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Red Hanks/Que - Tried both those (ok, maybe not the freezer bit!), and stil no joy. Gonna go out over the weekend and see if a repair shop can try another battrey. Otherwise I may be saying goodbye :-(
Phezthie - The BA was rare when new, now they are non-existent. No chance of borrowing a friends.
Cheers for the help guys.
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both batteries, main and backup, could be the reason thats why you need to determine which one of it by isolating the cause of the problem. to know if its the main battery, you can improvise by using different battery with same voltage rating (3.7volts, no need to worry as to the Ah rating), but be sure to connect the proper polarity to the BA's correct pin terminals, otherwise, power circuit of your BA will be compromised.
As to the backup battery, you can do nothing it but to replace if defective. the "freezer trick" is actually one of the shattering myths of electronics and cannot be relied upon to have an optimal performance, as it neither charge nor extend the life of the battery. it simply reduces the the power dissipation (power loss due to heat and resistance) during the initial boot so that it can draw enough power to run unit in its chargeable condition.
but since it is not prossible to borrow or no available battery can be used as a test unit, I suggest that you try the first procedure aforementioned, this of course, if you are familiar with battery polarities and know the corresponding terminals of the unit. regards
Hmmmm, my diamond has a 3.7v batt...never thought of that!
I'm near preston, with the origional battery . .
I'm near preston, with the origional battery . . fully charged, will last 6/12Hrs=using it, P.M. me ur postcode + House #, I will send it to you to try
(stick with the BA, new HTC Elf is half the PPC, that the BA is!!!!)
FleaBay'd a 2400mAh (incl shipping)=under £10GBP !!! (late last year)
#===#===# Currently Being Pimped (1st go!) #===#===#
Cheers mate, but I've just paid for one off ebay so I'll just wait for that to come now. If it doesn't do it I may be selling up...
Fingers crossed
Ok, new battrey arrived this morning. Gave it a charge and just tried it...
....no change
Screen, green and blue top corner and red end call lights momentarily flash when I press the power button. Then nothing.
Both batteries seem to charge in the cradle but not in the phone.
So, any other suggestions oh technically superior ones??
Btw, I received 2 batteries this morning, so I've listed the new one to get some cash back here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3519343#post3519343
Hi all,
My two year old HTC P3300 has gone dead and I suspect it could be the battery. How could I know for sure? When it was new I upgraded to WM6 and apllied the corrupt SD patch because it was crashing sometimes when I would access the SD.
After that it has been working flawlessly for over a year except for battery life which has been getting shorter and shorter for the past few months. I turned off bluetooth and wifi and still the P3300 was only able to go for about 24H with normal usage (just four or five calls, a few reminders and no GPS).
All of a sudden a couple of weeks ago it started just turning off by itself when using simple things like card games. I could feel the battery was pretty warm and pressing the power button would do nothing. Only a soft reset would work.
Then a few days ago it finally decided to die. I was playing Freecell with the battery at about 80% and it turned off by itself but now even soft reset won't work. When I plug in the charger the orange light wont turn on althoug the battery does get a little warm.
The only thing it will let me do is start a hard reset but nothing much happens. It says to press send if I want to return the P3300 to the original factory settings. I accept and for about one seccond it shows:
Format FAT partition!
Format complete!
Then I get the HTC boot screen and some red letters that say:
IPL 1.36.0001
SPL 1.36.0000
and then nothing else happens. It just stays like that for a couple of minutes until it turns off by itself. After that I can't even do a hard reset unless I put the phone on the charger for a couple of hours.
To me this looks like it could be an exhausted battery but how can I confirm this without buying a new battery? I checked with a tester and I get 3.07V DC but I can't seem to get any amp reading (maybe I'm doing it wrong).
Please any ideas would be welcome. I love my P3300 and I hate the idea of having to change.
lolailo54 said:
Hi all,
My two year old HTC P3300 has gone dead and I suspect it could be the battery. How could I know for sure? When it was new I upgraded to WM6 and apllied the corrupt SD patch because it was crashing sometimes when I would access the SD.
After that it has been working flawlessly for over a year except for battery life which has been getting shorter and shorter for the past few months. I turned off bluetooth and wifi and still the P3300 was only able to go for about 24H with normal usage (just four or five calls, a few reminders and no GPS).
All of a sudden a couple of weeks ago it started just turning off by itself when using simple things like card games. I could feel the battery was pretty warm and pressing the power button would do nothing. Only a soft reset would work.
Please any ideas would be welcome. I love my P3300 and I hate the idea of having to change.
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Hi!
I'm experiencing the same problems...
Tried new rom, sdhc update cab, format sd to fat32, try another sd, etc...
Seems that the phone works more or less well if there's no sd card (maybe because it need more juice from the battery?), and even better, if I can say that for a phone..., without sim card too.
It worked more or less today only with sim card on it, but when there was an sd card it keeps blocking, hanging and turning off with difficult turn on situation.
Can someone help us?
Thanks!
Hello both.
It can be frustrating waiting for help (and you might have found an alternative solution) but I'll say what I can.
If your Artemis can be operated more normally whilst charging but fails quickly under battery power, that certainly suggests a battery problem.
Batteries are consumables but hard to test (although some shops can) - try your local retailer?
My spare battery is a Sanyo ARTE160 rated 3.7V 1,200mAh.
On the reverse, 4.2VDC is printed amongst chinese characters and it actually measures 4.16V off load. I'd think 3V far too low.
There's clever technology behind the management of these LiOn batteries because both over charge and over discharge can damage them. Their life is more determined by battery chemistry and charge/discharge cycles than age.
One caution - measure voltage by all means...
BUT
DO NOT measure current with a test meter to a battery - particularly not a LiOn battery - because it amounts to a short circuit. Current can be so high as to blow the meter fuse and in cases of sustained short circuit or over charging, the battery can swell or even burst dangerously.
I'd think a replacement battery (via e-bay?) far less expensive than paying repairers to confirm the battery was the only problem.
Hope this helps
Hi!
I bought a replacement battery from Ebay.
All seems to be OK yesterday at night until today by noon.
Today, in the middle of a phone call, the phone stalls.
After a reboot and some hours later, the phone keeps crashing and crashing and, sometimes, it doesn´t turn on...
Will try now to upload an original rom and see what it does.
Regards!
This might have happened because difficulties whilst using an impaired battery left a legacy of part-saved data, registry and file corruption problems.
The outcome would be good to know because battery problems can/will affect us all eventually.
Also, a brand new battery can need a few charge/discharge cycles to bring it up to best condition.
I also got a new batery from ebay and unfortunately it still doesn't work. Behaviour is exactly the same as before.
I suppose this means it is hardware related. Do you suggest opening it up to see if there is anything loose or broken that could be resoldered?
Thanks,
My p3300 went blank and I had the take the battery out to switch it on again. Took it to HTC and they had to replace the insides of the phone. When I got is back the batt. Only lasted for a day and it use to work for 4 days.
I went swimming with my TP2, (for 20min) and with some miracle of god it still goes to winmo and makes phone calls. The only problem it has is with the power. When I hook it up to a charger it will show the battery charging on the taskbar but it will still popup with battery low and turn off shortly after. I know the USB works, at least partially, because I was able to Task29 and reflash.
Can I conclude from this that its definitely hardware and not software?
Would http://cnn.cn/shop/touch-pro2-flex-cable-extusb-connector-vibrate-module-p-8259.html part fix it?
Any other ideas? I've gone to ATT twice to try a new battery but it never worked. I might try one more time tomorrow.
Help is appreciated, and man are these one tough ****ing phone to still boot up after that long completely submerged in water!
bump, nobody wants to help save this poor abused tp2?
y dun u try some other battery n give it a try
if it doesnt works then try to dry the phone or have a chk on its circut... its some hardware issue i guess..
when i got into the power management options on the phone, where it shows the power meter and that one option...there is no battery meter showing up there.
Same here!
I've spilled some water on the table and put my Rhodium to recharge middle in the pool of water and didn't notice that till in the morning. As result my Rhodium was dead. I've let the Rhodium to dry for about 24 hours and the miracle happen: Rhodium started again and it's working fine.
The single problem I've noticed is with recharging: it was working well till at 57% of battery in which point it shuts down without warning. I've put the charger on and after 1 minute the LED indicated green and the battery status 100%. When I tried to use it again it shuts down again.
I didn't find any clue how to reset the battery settings...
Now I performed a soft reset with the red button under the battery cover. It seems to charge normally now.
I'll try to use Rhodium normally and to discharge it as much as possible. I will post again the result!
Best luck!
Madmancluj said:
I've spilled some water on the table and put my Rhodium to recharge middle in the pool of water and didn't notice that till in the morning. As result my Rhodium was dead. I've let the Rhodium to dry for about 24 hours and the miracle happen: Rhodium started again and it's working fine.
The single problem I've noticed is with recharging: it was working well till at 57% of battery in which point it shuts down without warning. I've put the charger on and after 1 minute the LED indicated green and the battery status 100%. When I tried to use it again it shuts down again.
I didn't find any clue how to reset the battery settings...
Now I performed a soft reset with the red button under the battery cover. It seems to charge normally now.
I'll try to use Rhodium normally and to discharge it as much as possible. I will post again the result!
Best luck!
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Don't discharge as much as possible. That will damage your batterie (even more). These are Li-ion batteries and if you discharge them to much they will break.
Yea well i went I tried going to ATT for the third to ask if I could try a battery but this time she said I couldnt try it because it might water damage the battery..
I've got a TMOUS TP2 which appears to be stuck in a reboot loop of sorts cause I can't charge the battery.
I've read through the forums and I saw a few similar problems like this but it seems like it those they were stuck at the bootloader, and that's not the case for me.
Basically the battery was down to 14% and I turned off the phone last night intending to charge it this morning. Somehow the battery dropped to 1% by the time I went to turn it on this morning, and it shutdown (really just lost power) right after I started it. So I go to plug it into the wall charger and then:
charge light comes on
after a few seconds charge light goes off
the phone tries to boot (does little vibrate, shows splash)
after the splash screen, phone loses power
charge light comes back on
then tries to boot after a few seconds.
repeat
If left unplugged the phone just sits there dead, but upon plugging it in, it tries to boot.
I've seen it where the phone doesn't have enough power to boot and just needs to be charged for a while, but I can't seem to do that here.
Anyone have any idea how to prevent it from trying to boot after the AC adapter is plugged in?
Thanks
arimp said:
I've got a TMOUS TP2 which appears to be stuck in a reboot loop of sorts cause I can't charge the battery.
Thanks
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If you're desperate...you might try doing a hard-reset.
Why would that help? I don't know...except sometimes when really stuck it helps to just change the situation...try something completely different.
Of course, a hard-reset deletes all data and applications that you've put on the phone, which is why I suggested it as a recourse if desperate.
Probably keep the phone plugged in while doing hard-reset.
Same problem, solved by itself
Hi,
I had a similar problem with a standard TP2, it was clear a battery fault. Phone was working well with a new battery and, of course, another working phone couldn't boot up with the faulty battery.
I took out the defective battery and let it aside for almost 2 weeks. After that it started to work, but the capacity is clearly smaller.
So from my experience, a hard reset wouldn't help you.
Radu
nradu said:
Hi,
I had a similar problem with a standard TP2, it was clear a battery fault. Phone was working well with a new battery and, of course, another working phone couldn't boot up with the faulty battery.
I took out the defective battery and let it aside for almost 2 weeks. After that it started to work, but the capacity is clearly smaller.
So from my experience, a hard reset wouldn't help you.
Radu
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Yes, it goes without saying -- though it's good you did -- that if you have access to another battery that's an obvious thing to try first.
The hard reset is worth trying, in general, for otherwise-unresolvable phone issues.
It's a dead battery. Same exact thing you describe happened to me. Granted, it was because of water damage but same symptoms. Thinking the phone was dead I went and bought a new one. Then I decided to try the new battery, bam, phone back alive. Returned the phone and bought a new battery. By the way, the dash2 battery fits as well. Tmobile stores didn't know it... But the connectors were the same do I tried in the store and it worked.
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It's a dead battery. Same exact thing you describe happened to me. Granted, it was because of water damage but same symptoms. Thinking the phone was dead I went and bought a new one. Then I decided to try the new battery, bam, phone back alive. Returned the phone and bought a new battery. By the way, the dash2 battery fits as well. Tmobile stores didn't know it... But the connectors were the same do I tried in the store and it worked.
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So it was indeed a dead battery. Oddly I found someone who had a CMDA TP2 from Verizon (mine is GSM TMO), and was able to pop my battery into their phone for a minute or two and charge it to about 5%, then put it back in my phone and all was well. With their phone, plugging in the charger did not cause the phone to start up and then power cycle.
That's really weird "glitch" if you want to call it that. So mental note, don't let the battery run down too far.