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Do we really need a faster device with no functionality?????

Dears...i used almost all the CrossBow ROMs but non of them was good to count on....alot of bugs...hangs....no Video Calling....Window Media Player only works for seconds.......etc..
so what we are seeking now....are we only satisfy with the little bit extra speed???....
anyway...thanks for all the developers...but i think non of them checked his ROM before adding it to the forum....if they did they will clearly notice all these bugs....
ok....now i will return to more trusted and tested rom and i will leave the CrossBow till we get a real trusted ROM....
thanks everyone

astraman said:
Dears...i used almost all the CrossBow ROMs but non of them was good to count on....alot of bugs...hangs....no Video Calling....Window Media Player only works for seconds.......etc..
so what we are seeking now....are we only satisfy with the little bit extra speed???....
anyway...thanks for all the developers...but i think non of them checked his ROM before adding it to the forum....if they did they will clearly notice all these bugs....
ok....now i will return to more trusted and tested rom and i will leave the CrossBow till we get a real trusted ROM....
thanks everyone
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Crossbow rom is not for regular use, because it's not that stable yet. From my point of view, it's just for testing or having the flavour of the OS in advance. I suggest you to select a AKU3.5 rom ...

Astraman, I don't think you are getting the point of all this. We all know that the roms will have bugs. The problem is that any rom as of AK3 is not and will not come for the Universal. Not now and not ever.
The only way there is to get a better OS on you Universal is by having various individuals such as Helmi. Midget and Indra to work with whatever they have from the base WM6 rom, and to constantly improve upons this until the rom is solid and usable. We, the users, provide them with feedback on the bugs and I bow in awe for everyone's efforts in all of this.
Anyway, these quirks and bugs are what I myself and many others accept. We install the rom, and signal back what works and what does not work.
If you don't accept this, then don't upgrade, stick to the original releases and wait until something comes out that works well enough to venture into "unsupported territory".
I for one do not miss the Video calling though, my Media Player (PDAVIET ROM) works fine, and for my purpose it is more than stable enough.

anyway...thanks for all the developers...but i think non of them checked his ROM before adding it to the forum
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lol Astraman, no one made anyone use the roms.
We expressly did not want the roms released, and no one ever made any promises about the roms... come on. You're using a questionably aquired, illegally distributed, incomplete, pre-release rom on an unauthorised device, and you're surprised it has issues?
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The roms aren't running on a final device in a final form. You are doing the right thing by waiting and using a proper rom that you're supposed to use.
DO NOT USE CROSSBOW​V​

just to mention: crossbow rom is the stablest rom I've ever used on Uni, I haven't done a SR in almost a week!

Funny thing is when you look at the url of this forum. It says xda-developers so it's intended as a developers forum to share knowledge, not an end user forum.

OK guys....i just have one point of view from this post....why a develpoer add a ROM to the forum which has bugs....for example...all the CrossBow ROMs has no Video Calling but no one of the developer mention that...also the Media Player is not working....so what i mean why do not you wait until you fix these bugs first....and you know that a lot of people are waiting for any new ROM to flash....i do appreciate you jobs...but we have to go step by step...there are alot of ONLY USERS her and we do not want them to miss with there devices.....keep the good work guys...regards

r_c, if only things were so simple!
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r_c, if only things were so simple!
www.therapistfinder.com
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OK funny man....thanks for help

r_c said:
Funny thing is when you look at the url of this forum. It says xda-developers so it's intended as a developers forum to share knowledge, not an end user forum.
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Maybe this quote from the the front page of this site will enlighten you a bit...
Welcome to XDA-Developers.com
Welcome to xda-developers.com
This site is about certain PDA-phones, made by a secretive firm called HTC in Taiwan. Their makers named them 'Wallaby', 'Himalaya', 'Blue Angel', 'Wizard' and 'TyTN', but almost nobody knows them by those names. The mobile provider O2 sells them under the brand-name 'XDA', and that's what we had in our hands first. They're also known as Qtek, MDA, SX-56, Hermes and many, many other names.
Since we develop software for it, we need information, and nobody seemed eager or ready to give us what we needed. So we 'reverse-engineered' the devices, found a lot of information, and shared it with the world. But as our site grew we realised that lots of ordinary users were also suffering from a lack of support. They started using the xda-developers forum to communicate and before long the forum was as much a user forum as it was a developer forum.
We hope that you will enjoy this site and find it as useful as we do. We encourage you to donate or otherwise support this site. Of course absolutely all proceeds from donations will benefit this community.
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Back on topic..... I think vijay's reply here just about sums it.

astraman, the release of crossbow for the universal will never be official and as such, should only ever be considered a beta or work in progress. When microsoft releases beta versions of software for testing, they expect people to find bugs - why should the WM6 roms for the universal, being developed by a small number of people, in a VERY unofficial capacity be any different?
What you'll find here is maybe some concensus on aspects that don't work correctly, also some concensus on what fixes can be used to make some of those aspects work better (which may then be incorporated into future releases). You may, if you're lucky and know what you're doing, end up with a rom that is stable and works (mostly) in the way you wish.
What you WON'T get is a guarantee that things will be perfect, and that goes for any cooked rom, not just the WM6 ones. As such, you should consider your viewpoint again, and maybe ask yourself whether you should be playing with roms that are not necessarily going to do what you want them to do 'out of the box'.

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why a develpoer add a ROM to the forum which has bugs....
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Considered that you done the following,
(a) paid a lot of $$ for a Microsoft Windows that are full of bugs
(b) paid nothing for a hardwork of the others
(c) complained like a baby for buggy ROMs
Action (b) is a very smart move for a crying baby like you.
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so what i mean why do not you wait until you fix these bugs first....
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Good question, why don't you wait until the official release for your phone (which I don't think is to be bug free) then? Oh yeah, did any of the developers point a gun on your head to try it out, huh?

@Astra
My 1st guess is you are not very technical person.
Well, for the start, the 2 official ROMs from my phone maker are full of bugs too.
Many of the bugs of those ROMs done by the forumers here are not introduce by them, it is inherit from the ROM which they have got from the "SOURCE", normally the latest test version release by M$ for its supplier of hardwares. The developers here has no source code, but only binarys to work on and playing around with parameters that they or we can work on to remove some removal bugs and improvements.
In all, my honest opinion is that all the ROMs (official & unofficial) have different bugs. And I personally find that the unofficial ROMs seems to be better. (maybe it is the wife & mistress mentality, LOL)
And I can bet that M$ is watching this site and other sites, and improve on their work.
Lastly, Hanmin is right, nobody uses gun here. The people with the brains put up the ROMs, we have also to use our brain to think if we want to use it. Even if you think your brain make a wrong decision, the ROM upgrade is reversible, you can always use your brain to decide to switch back to whatever you like.
My 0.2 cents worth of input using 0.2% of my brain.

astraman said:
OK guys....i just have one point of view from this post....why a develpoer add a ROM to the forum which has bugs....for example...all the CrossBow ROMs has no Video Calling but no one of the developer mention that...also the Media Player is not working....so what i mean why do not you wait until you fix these bugs first....and you know that a lot of people are waiting for any new ROM to flash....i do appreciate you jobs...but we have to go step by step...there are alot of ONLY USERS her and we do not want them to miss with there devices.....keep the good work guys...regards
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what can you do with AKU2's video call if your device freezes? I've this device for one year but I didn't want to make ANY video call.. it's just as useless as MMS (just one benefit: you can send more text than 160 chars)

I for one welcome our clueless newbie overlords with open arms.

In soviet russia, your clueless newbie overlords welcome you.

Guys...i am just comparing ROMs posted here....WM5 vs WM6
i am using Indra 3.3 Beta6 now....very stable...work very good for me
then suddenly every one is talking about WM6....alot of bugs...REAL BUGS...we can say that essentially function are not working....so why is the hurry...as i said before i do appreciate the work of the people here....and there is alot of good cooked ROMs here.....why don't we keep working on the good WM5 ROMs until we get the best from before we think about WM6....we don't have any advantage switching to WM6....just the apperance....nothing else....we can do as we did in WM5 to reach the apperance of WM6 using the good ROMs of WM5 we have here.
i don't want any one to be made of me.......
we are disscussing here.....just tell me one single advantage of WM6 vs WM5
i just want to know...i am learning from you guys....NO HARD FEELINGS

Astraman,
Its just personal choice. I flashed my device with Midget's vanilla ROM, the PDAVIET ROM and now on PDA VEIT final ROM. I found all the 3 to be stable. Not even once has my device hanged.
So its all personal choice. If it works for you, keep it. Otherwise, go for a ROM that works for you

Guys. Be nice now, it wasn't fair to pick on astraman...
Much of the stuff we do on this website is fairly dodgy, risky or cutting edge.
No one forces you to do it anything here, but to quote a post by Sleuth255,
Once again, I'm posting to register my shock and awe (I seem to do this alot here)
Risking a device brick for the benefit of the community is Godlike in my book. I salute everybody who's tried this here.
Damn, you guys are awesome!
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Guys put their expensive devices at risk for the betterment of this brother/sisterhood. You don't have to follow... but you reap the rewards for their efforts.
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My device has never been bricked although i have been through a lot of problems with the help of a few people on this forum.
Regarding Crossbow ROM's they are still unstable and I agree with Vijay that they should not be used yet.
1. They might brick your device.
2. They might brick your SD Card as you have seen before with me.
Stick to the WM5 ROM's. I find that Ivan's AKU 3.5 is the best in WM5 series. He has done a couple of public and developer tests and I fully credit him with making the best WM5 ROM.
Thanks Ivan once again!
And astraman take a chill pill. There are too many noobs on the forum who will "pick" on you/me/others. A suggested thing to do is "ignore" them.
As for AlanJC I remember him being a better person, different character. Now he is just too awkward, I dont feel the real AlanJC's presence on the forum anymore. Its like someone else is pretending to be AlanJC. Like I used to look forward to AlanJC's enlighting posts in the past but nowadays I fear to see his posts.

[8.14.11] Honeycomb 3.2 SGT dev log

Android 3.2 Honeycomb for the Samsung Galaxy Tab
8/14/11: For the time being, this thread will close. Work continues on this (and many other) projects, but this thread has grown too large for its own good and has ceased to be relevant. I will start a new thread when I release 3.2 HC, until then, I'm doing my part to help keep XDA crap-free.
See you soon.​
8/5/11: I've been pretty quiet for the last week or so... I've had a lot on my plate, but a lot of things are beginning to fade into the background and HC is more in focus. So far, we have a working kernel for HC (which was a much bigger undertaking that I had thought it would be,) and an HC system based on 3.2 and GB that boots minimally, but provides proof of concept. Next up is correcting video issues, merging in things from the Xoom, building wifi and 3G and enabling the SDcard. I plan to fix video issues first, if only to provide you with some screenshots.
7/25/11:
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7/23/11: Made quite a few kernel modifications and achieved an HC boot today. Hammering out GFX issues as the system doesn't fully boot in.
7/20/11: I just finished building the first version of the new HC kernel with the latest CWM and it boots. The source is up on github.
7/20/11: I spent the last couple of days building a new honeycomb kernel based on the recently released gingerbread cdma kernel along with a recovery built from CM7 source. Things are proceeding slowly, but progress is being made. It looks like I'll begin assembling the basic system components tomorrow and start uploading things to github as they change. Drop in and watch the magic happen in slow motion over the next few days if you want.
7/17/11: Didn't get quite as far as boot, but I did layout the SDK and the Xoom dump, made a lot of notes and made a system map. Next step is to identify the changes that provide compatibility to our type of device to make sure I target my coding for that. Also working on a new kernel based on gingerbread. Since I'm starting fresh here, I might as well switch to a GB base. So the next couple of days will be about kernel building and assembling a bare base of 3.2 into which I can pour code from the GB releases. Oh, and by the way, I just wanna say:
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7/15/11: Getting caught up on things. Looks like dev starts tomorrow on HC. Hoping to at least have boot by tomorrow evening.
7/12/11: It never fails; wait a few minutes and everything changes. 3.2 dropped today for the Xoom. I told ya, as soon as I say anything, it's almost immediately irrelevant. Well, now I'm committed to a couple of things, so I'll have to start development in a few days, but I'll let you know how it's going as I do.
7/12/11: It's been one crazy thing after another... It seems that the universe has conspired to prevent development.
First, I got 3G running on both tabs... but spent days trying to work out a way to connect, (it recognizes the modem, but wont actually latch onto a network.) Then I learned about GB dropping shortly and spent a few days doing research on that in hopes of avoiding a slew of bricks, (only to discover that there is no change to the bootloader so far with CDMA devices... excellent news, but a lot of wasted research.) And then I got tied up with family affairs, work, summer classes etc. etc. etc.
The last straw was when I discovered that 3.2 is going to drop on a new 7 inch tab in a month or two (and will be pushed to the Motorola Xoom in a matter of days according to various accounts on tech blogs.) With that news, I've dropped development altogether.
3.2 is designed to be compatible with 7 inch screens and single-core processors... So continuing this port would be like trying to cram your foot into the wrong size shoe when the right size shoe is sitting just across the room... what's the point?
So when I get my hands on that, we will have an HC that was designed to run on devices like ours (with all of the tasty features available in 3.1 plus whatever new things they do for 3.2.) As the port of 3.01 will like never run with full features for our tab, I think waiting for 3.2 (a short wait) will be the best option as we will have all of the features we should have had in the first place, and then some.
In the meantime, I have been swamped with work of various kids, cheifly the development of a website that will provide a space for new and less experienced developers to hone their skills with the benefit of more experienced developers to directly assist them (along with a web page of their own, a forum with moderator privileges and a mirror for projects.) We've been calling it an "Android development lab" and I have high hopes for it as a place for individuals to develop skills, build software and stage releases fit for XDA and the like. Though XDA fulfills this function in some ways, it is often difficult for the new developer to realize a vision by simply searching forum posts. (We are in no way attempting to draw traffic away from XDA, but rather providing an environment focused on preparing inexperienced individuals to contribute to places like the XDA community.) It's still under construction, but should be ready in a few days.
Also, I've been contributing to various other projects in small ways and have worked in an advisory capacity with several individuals to help them get projects going. I've found that I really enjoy this role, and will continue in it for the time being.
While we are waiting for 3.2, I will be working in partnership with others to bring you MIUI for the tab (already under way), a dual boot option for the galaxy tab and a native linux installation focused on utility and hacking. Look for these projects soon.
For now, I will no longer be updating this thread. My apologies for leaving it hanging here so long, it's just that every day seemed to bring with it an unpredictability that quickly rendered anything I had to say irrelevant.
See you soon.
~Space
7-5-11 #2: fyi:
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7-5-11: I know I'm dragging my ass on this one, but sit tight. Good things are coming.
7-1-11: I meant to update sooner than this, but shortly after I created this thread, I found out that gingerbread would be coming to the Sprint tab in a matter of days... (and perhaps the Verizon tab soon?) This changes things in several ways.
There will be new bootloaders on upgraded Sprint tabs that won't be compatible with my froyo-based HC build (and the Verizon tab as well if GB ever gets released for it--I assume it's to happen in the near future.)
I don't know if these boot-loaders will be locked. I don't know if it will be possible to revert to froyo boot-loaders to run my HC, and I definitely don't want to tell anyone not to upgrade their tab to GB just to run my HC. Preventing you folks from enjoying your device would defeat the entire purpose of what I'm doing here.
Not knowing how things are about to change for us, I took a couple of days to do some research and see what I could find out... And I found that there is no existing information, leaked or otherwise, on what the boot-loader situation will be (but if your google-fu outranks mine, please post your find here.)
So i began to look into moving my work into a GB base. I think that not only will this be possible, but should net similar results as using a froyo base for the same purposes (it might be a touch more difficult as GB is not nearly as clean, organized or stable a system as froyo IMO.)
So, I have a froyo based HC release soon to come after it gets some finishing touches and a few last minute fixes. At the same time, I'm working on getting a GB base assembled and functional so that we can side-step these potential issues. When the new HC is released, some of you will be able to run it, others may not, but please don't hesitate to upgrade to GB if you wish. I'll do my best to get HC working for upgraders as well.
This whole thing has me running a little behind schedule--of course. But stay tuned for more details on the upcoming HC release... I think you'll be pleased.
6-30-11: Here we go again.

Reserved for later

And again, reserved

what are the plans now Space?

looking forward to this

k0sh said:
what are the plans now Space?
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Now? We go to the moon. We build a biosphere. Then we start manufacturing weapons. When Earth invades, we defend ourselves. When they are at their weakest, we launch a full scale attack the likes of which Earth has never seen. When they are defeated...
On to Mars!

spacemoose1 said:
Now? We go to the moon. We build a biosphere. Then we start manufacturing weapons. When Earth invades, we defend ourselves. When they are at their weakest, we launch a full scale attack the likes of which Earth has never seen. When they are defeated...
On to Mars!
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I, for one, will be glad to join you on your campaign of world, and martian domination!
Onwards!
PS: I mashed your Thanks button until it chided me

spacemoose1 said:
Now? We go to the moon. We build a biosphere. Then we start manufacturing weapons. When Earth invades, we defend ourselves. When they are at their weakest, we launch a full scale attack the likes of which Earth has never seen. When they are defeated...
On to Mars!
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LMAO .. this is what i'm looking for .. anyone wanna join ?

k0sh said:
LMAO .. this is what i'm looking for .. anyone wanna join ?
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Depends on the broadband speed...

Count in me if there are some chicks , otherwise i'll take the next flight.
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Now? We go to the moon. We build a biosphere. Then we start manufacturing weapons. When Earth invades, we defend ourselves. When they are at their weakest, we launch a full scale attack the likes of which Earth has never seen. When they are defeated...
On to Mars!
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LMAO .. this is what i'm looking for .. anyone wanna join ?
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af974 said:
Count in me if there are some chicks , otherwise i'll take the next flight.
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now this is what really i should call LMAO .and WOW you dude just made my night

I've been checking these forums like 3 times a day for a while. Thanks for increasing those numbers. I'm highly anticipating the next release of Honeycomb!

Cant wait man, reading the first three posts made me think of my car lol.
Suzuki Kizashi
(kizashi translated in japanese: good things are coming)

I don't want to be a debbie downer here... and I'm normally one to just stay quiet on most matters...
However, the last thread got out of hand. Off-Topic shenanigans and a constant repetition of questions made it difficult to navigate for both novice and n00b alike... please keep this thread on topic as much as we can. I'm no one, myself. However, I keep my post count down by looking for answers and searching, and it's easier to search a thread full of topic-related posts as opposed to random, mindless banter.
Thanks and Thank you Space for your continued work ethic!

mr2324jgf said:
I don't want to be a debbie downer here... and I'm normally one to just stay quiet on most matters...
However, the last thread got out of hand. Off-Topic shenanigans and a constant repetition of questions made it difficult to navigate for both novice and n00b alike... please keep this thread on topic as much as we can. I'm no one, myself. However, I keep my post count down by looking for answers and searching, and it's easier to search a thread full of topic-related posts as opposed to random, mindless banter.
Thanks and Thank you Space for your continued work ethic!
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Here here!
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Now? We go to the moon. We build a biosphere. Then we start manufacturing weapons. When Earth invades, we defend ourselves. When they are at their weakest, we launch a full scale attack the likes of which Earth has never seen. When they are defeated...
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I'll bring my father along and together dad and I can engineer and build our war planes. (He tells people how to build jets like the jsf stvl, etc.)
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I'll bring my father along and together dad and I can engineer and build our war planes. (He tells people how to build jets like the jsf stvl, etc.)
Sent from my GTab running Better Than Life RC1
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i can be the assistant engineer, i can rig anything on to anything.

the honeycomb threads make me not want honeycomb

robkoehler said:
the honeycomb threads make me not want honeycomb
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Lol
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so any news? this thread has been pretty quiet considering the fact that the 2.5 thread got locked. im hoping to hear some good news today

Will there ever be a ROM that is right for me?...

Ive been a fan of ROMs and customizing Android since I originally bought into the smartphone world, back in the days of Android 2.3. It originally started because not only was I already a fan of modern technology and loved to build computers and troubleshoot malfunctioning tech, but because back in the days of Android 2, ICE, and so on, there was a reason for ROMs. They added so many features to such restricted systems that did not have very many features and were prone to freezing issues due to the chip technology not allowing for fast enough CPUs to support such demanding systems, but now that my T-Mobile Note 3 SM-900T and everyone elses all have official Lollipop firmware, its hard to see why I have such a hard time finding a ROM that I like, but I will tell you why, its simple. The reason being is that I like the stock system so much more than any of the ROMs currently out there, unless... there was something I missed...
TO ALL DEVS, THIS IS WHAT I FEEL ALOT OF PEOPLE WOULD LIKE OUT OF A ROM FOR THE SM-900T. I AM NOT A DEVELOPER, I HAVE NOT A CLUE HOW TO DEV, NOR DO I HAVE THE TOOLS, THEREFORE YOU CAN GLADLY TAKE MY IDEA FOR YOUR OWN!!!
As I said before, I believe the stock system is amazing, however the battery life and speed is terrible, so of course I began by experimenting with ROMs as per the ususal, well the Alliance ROM was pretty nice, the system was extremely fast and very stable, I liked it alot. However, alot of little details began to get on my nerves. First was the 1000+ options for custom coloring and customizing of the U.I. While more choice sounds like a good thing, you come to find that there are no defaults set up. My notifications kept coming up completely blanked out with no text whatsoever because the colors had to be set. Well, navigating the Alliance custom color settings was completely unfathomable and after days of experimenting, I came up with NO positive results. It also did not have the ability to skip songs from the lockscreen via lockscreen notification, which became a real pain real fast. Having to enter your 6-digit pin while doing 60+ MPH on your way to work just to skip a song isn't fun. Eventually, Alliance had to go. The other ROM I have recently tried is the DomPop TekHD edition (since its the one based on the official lollipop firmware). At first, things looked very promising, then it bricked my phone. After following the Dev's "Failsafe/Bulletproof" installation instructions, I finally got the ROM to function, but I found that the flashing of the stock kernel on top of the custom ROM did limit its features. The ViperFX custom equalizer does not work whatsoever, google play music FC's all the time, and the phone freezes up quite often.
After my frustrations trying to use these ROMS, I came to a startling conclustion: The Stock firmware is just better! And this is what gave me the idea, because despite it being stock it comes with all the features available to modern smartphones, its pretty fast, its stable, and it never fails, so why not create a COMPLETELY STOCK ROM but with some bloatware removed, and have it tweaked to provide better battery life and performance? Honestly, the stock features are better anyways. The ONLY issue that I can find with the stock firmware is that battery life is terrible (under 8 hours on WiFi wtf????), and the system could use a little optimizing combined with a bit of overclocking (Id say 2.5 GHz is plenty). For example, my car stereo sounds so much better off the stock built-in Samsung equalizer than any profile I was ever able to make using ViperFX.
Devs, if you were to create this simple and yet amazing ROM, I; and many others would greatly appreciate it! Yes I am aware that there are some stock ROMS available for the SM-900T. HOWEVER; there aren't any that are compatible with the OFFICIAL LOLLIPOP BASEBAND/FIRMWARE AND THIS IS WHAT WE NEED!

So you tried 2 ROMs, and now all ROMs suck unless they are what your idea of a ROM should be? Lol
Seriously.... I can't even.
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toastido said:
So you tried 2 ROMs, and now all ROMs suck unless they are what your idea of a ROM should be? Lol
Seriously.... I can't even.
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Oh look here at mister moron trying to assume things. No idiot, thats not all Ive tried. Those are just examples. Ive literally tried every single ROM available on XDA for the SM-900T running the Lollipop Baseband, and MOST from back when we were still all on KitKat. If I were to give an accurate estimate, I would say Ive installed about 15-20 different ROMs on my phone. The KitKat ones were great! But now it seems like every single Lollipop-based ROM just has so many issues that its not worth running.
So yea dont even sit here and point the finger at me like Im the one with the issue, maybe next time you oughta think before you speak.
By the way, I wasnt saying all ROMs suck, cause they dont. Its just these days, the stock firmware is actually better

wallacengineering said:
Oh look here at mister moron trying to assume things. No idiot, thats not all Ive tried. Those are just examples. Ive literally tried every single ROM available on XDA for the SM-900T running the Lollipop Baseband, and MOST from back when we were still all on KitKat. If I were to give an accurate estimate, I would say Ive installed about 15-20 different ROMs on my phone. The KitKat ones were great! But now it seems like every single Lollipop-based ROM just has so many issues that its not worth running.
So yea dont even sit here and point the finger at me like Im the one with the issue, maybe next time you oughta think before you speak.
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Yeah because we know that without you saying it.
Also, No need for name calling.
But since you went there, Yeah, I went back through your post history. Seems you don't know actually what you're doing, so, I'll just leave it at that.

toastido said:
Yeah because we know that without you saying it.
Also, No need for name calling.
But since you went there, Yeah, I went back through your post history. Seems you don't know actually what you're doing, so, I'll just leave it at that.
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Ya sure, because Ive been doing this for years, and I Imagine I'm a whole lot better at it than you, Ive rooted and put ROMs on phones for family, friends, co-workers, and more. Ive probably customized about 100 different phones. So how many have you done successfully? And what? Ur afraid of names? You wanna be a cry baby then get the hell out of my thread and STAY OUT!
... Disrespectful little POS you think you have a right to talk down to me? U talk all big but ur smaller than a pebble

wallacengineering said:
Ya sure, because Ive been doing this for years, and I Imagine I'm a whole lot better at it than you, Ive rooted and put ROMs on phones for family, friends, co-workers, and more. Ive probably customized about 100 different phones. So how many have you done successfully? And what? Ur afraid of names? You wanna be a cry baby then get the hell out of my thread and STAY OUT!
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And you accuse me of assumptions? Bwahahahaha!
Someone's butthurt! Call the waambulance!

toastido said:
And you accuse me of assumptions? Bwahahahaha!
Someone's butthurt! Call the waambulance!
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hahaha, ya ur not funny, you sound like one of those annoying 5 year olds. Now seriously, go be a moron somewhere else, Im done replying to your idiocy, thank you

wallacengineering said:
hahaha, ya ur not funny, you sound like one of those annoying 5 year olds. Now seriously, go be a moron somewhere else, Im done replying to your idiocy, thank you
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Stock rooted+Xposed is what all the cool kids are doing now. Roms are a bit redundant/unecessary if you can shove enough extra functionality into stock and be more stable/efficient at the same time.
Also you post like a teenager with daddy issues, might want to use full words like a big boy.

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ur the one who started all the whining, so I think its pretty funny how you talk about yourself. Oh hey, whats that, its time for my date? oh right, something you have probably never heard of. Anyways, too busy to deal with the likes of you or anyone in this stupid forum if thats how all of you act, I'll just use a rival site for all my needs. This, XDA, is how you loose a customer, peace.

Wtf
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KoscheiTheDeathless said:
Stock rooted+Xposed is what all the cool kids are doing now. Roms are a bit redundant/unecessary if you can shove enough extra functionality into stock and be more stable/efficient at the same time.
Also you post like a teenager with daddy issues, might want to use full words like a big boy.
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Since when does anyone care whatsoever about how someone types on a forum? Is this really what your life revolves around, peoples online spelling, really? Thats what is so damn important? If that is what you are truly concerned about, go get some help, like now. Ya no, see Im 23 years old, out here livin' life, enjoying it (So far at least), and makin' money, which is why come September Im gonna be one of the first and only people I even know to walk out of a T-Mobile store with a brand new Samsung Galaxy Note 5 paid up front, in cash . You really think Im concerned with what anyone has to say on some two-bit forum site, especially when I know you are only backing this other stupid guy because hes a higher "rank" than me? Wow, you people are truly pathetic, wasteful, miserable excuses for human beings. Im pretty sure the world would have been a much better place had neither one of you two been born. and its really funny how me and the guys are just sitting here with a couple beers and joints, just laughing our asses off as you all get trolled by the boss. Hahahahaha screw this site and everyone on it. I was polite and nice for years on here and this is the thanks I get? A bunch of ridicule for having an opinion? Wow, I think all of you need to move to Colorado where Im at and learn to chill the hell out. Now Im busy, bouts to go get some action, peace!

dannesalo said:
Wtf
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Idk man lol, seems like some people are just up-tight little b****** rofl

wallacengineering said:
Idk man lol, seems like some people are just up-tight little b****** rofl
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Did you hack netnanny ?

dannesalo said:
Did you hack netnanny ?
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Huh? Hack someone? No no no, I dont hack people. I have no desire to be mean to anyone, I have more respect for people than that. He started this ridiculous quarrel, and I ended it, with facts. Pretty easy to get people to back off when they themselves know they are causing issues for no reason whatsoever other than they literally want to pick fights. Which by the way, seems pretty stupid to do over the internet lol. Pretty immature, too. Im sure a moderator got him or something along those lines.

wallacengineering said:
Huh? Hack someone? No no no, I dont hack people. I have no desire to be mean to anyone, I have more respect for people than that. He started this ridiculous quarrel, and I ended it, with facts. Pretty easy to get people to back off when they themselves know they are causing issues for no reason whatsoever other than they literally want to pick fights. Which by the way, seems pretty stupid to do over the internet lol. Pretty immature, too. Im sure a moderator got him or something along those lines.
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I have learned to tolerate people..I just found my mission of god I think.

YO! Anyone got some more butter for this popcorn???????
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Thread closed!
OP you will get NO help from anyone with your ridiculous attitude and over sensitivity to criticism
If you have so much experience, please learn to build your own perfect ROM and share it

No more root

Hello, between 20170114 and 20170117 version, I lost root and don't know what to do.
I tried with supersu, with recovery zip file, but nothing solved.
I reinstalled (dirt way too) 20170114 and root is here again.
Sm-n9005 (hlte Samsung note 3 international), crister12's work
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Being worked on, I reckon. https://review.lineageos.org/#/c/154019

Thanks for your reply
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If you build the rom it's simple you have to add export WITH_SU=true to your envsetup.sh

I'd love to, but I don't know how to
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Relax, it's there (sort of)
** "Root will be a downloadable zip based install similar to gapps installation (only need to flash it once)." **
The zip root package will probably be up shortly after all the initial builds get loaded.
If folks were willing to wait a month for the ROM, waiting a day or two more to root it doesn't seem unreasonable. Besides, if you are using things such as Google Pay, first, via con Dios, and second, it usually won't work on a rooted device anyway. About the only thing I would REALLY miss with an un-rooted Lineage OS build would be the use of Titanium Backup, but since it takes about 3 minutes for TWRP to do a Nandroid of the whole thing it is a tradeoff that I for one would be willing to live with.

nezlek said:
** "Root will be a downloadable zip based install similar to gapps installation (only need to flash it once)." **
The zip root package will probably be up shortly after all the initial builds get loaded.
If folks were willing to wait a month for the ROM, waiting a day or two more to root it doesn't seem unreasonable. Besides, if you are using things such as Google Pay, first, via con Dios, and second, it usually won't work on a rooted device anyway. About the only thing I would REALLY miss with an un-rooted Lineage OS build would be the use of Titanium Backup, but since it takes about 3 minutes for TWRP to do a Nandroid of the whole thing it is a tradeoff that I for one would be willing to live with.
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not on my s3. lol.

OK, maybe not THREE minutes
Sal82,
Well, OK. Four? Five? Even my most loaded device takes not much more than five. Guess I'm a lightweight user after all. In the worst case I'll start the backup before going to sleep. Surely it would be done in time for breakfast. :cyclops:
(laughter is always better when it is shared)
I am just amazed at the number of folks seemingly lining up to say "build for me" as opposed to those asking how they can contribute, as well as the folks bristling at the notion that the builds will not be delivered with the features they want. Poor babies. Life is tough, and them that wants for free have a certain level of audacity in thinking they can dictate terms to a very hard working group of people who are busting their butts to get this thing moving, and not charging a red cent for all of their hard work. The malcontents could always just download the not yet built source versions, add the root capability - there ARE instructions after all - build the ROM from scratch and have what they want. Personally, I'm not THAT good at doing certain things yet, so I am willing to wait patiently and offer what services I CAN perform to support the effort. The old CM builds rescued two devices for me - one from pretty much dead brick useless and the other from a vendor who thought all my private data should go to a server in China without my consent, so I'm just plain appreciative :good:

nezlek said:
Sal82,
Well, OK. Four? Five? Even my most loaded device takes not much more than five. Guess I'm a lightweight user after all. In the worst case I'll start the backup before going to sleep. Surely it would be done in time for breakfast. :cyclops:
(laughter is always better when it is shared)
I am just amazed at the number of folks seemingly lining up to say "build for me" as opposed to those asking how they can contribute, as well as the folks bristling at the notion that the builds will not be delivered with the features they want. Poor babies. Life is tough, and them that wants for free have a certain level of audacity in thinking they can dictate terms to a very hard working group of people who are busting their butts to get this thing moving, and not charging a red cent for all of their hard work. The malcontents could always just download the not yet built source versions, add the root capability - there ARE instructions after all - build the ROM from scratch and have what they want. Personally, I'm not THAT good at doing certain things yet, so I am willing to wait patiently and offer what services I CAN perform to support the effort. The old CM builds rescued two devices for me - one from pretty much dead brick useless and the other from a vendor who thought all my private data should go to a server in China without my consent, so I'm just plain appreciative :good:
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more like 15-20 minutes. but i'm not complaining. i have an abundance of patience. you have to be patient when dealing with older devices.
and i also agree with you. your wife/girlfriend won't cheat on you(with me ) if you need to flash another zip to gain root access.
i'm PATIENTLY waiting for the zip file.

We can root with phhs superuser

ludwiglaisne said:
Hello, between 20170114 and 20170117 version, I lost root and don't know what to do.
I tried with supersu, with recovery zip file, but nothing solved.
I reinstalled (dirt way too) 20170114 and root is here again.
Sm-n9005 (hlte Samsung note 3 international), crister12's work
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Flash magisk v10.2

This root business was handled badly... users are upset, other developers are upset. I am not going to give my analysis unless specifically asked.
However, I have a few questions regarding this, and I hope someone can kindly answer them.
So, I am on d2att (Samsung Galaxy S3 - ATT) with LOS 14.1 and gapps
I flashed experimental build, rebooted, then, flashed the only LOS build for my device so far. I lost root.
I flashed supersu from here: https://download.chainfire.eu/1021/SuperSU/SR3-SuperSU-v2.79-SR3-20170114223742.zip. Of course, it did not work. I uninstalled it.
There is some whoha about Chainfire selling SuperSu to CCMT: https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/54xdmp/ccmt_who_exactly_are_the_owners_of_supersu/ So, now I could have untrustworthy files/access to my device, right? What do I do now -- Wipe clean and use ODIN to flash a clean ROM?
And that ROM would be to either go back to CM13 (last release) or build my own LOS ROM (with SU), right?
Now, I am hunting for root access (I don't know enough) Phh's SU on f-droid, Okay... what do I need to do? Some one posted instructions on reddit not to delete dalvik-cache after installing Phh's SU or do other things as they are risky... at this point, I don't know enough and not sure where to look. All in all, as I said before, root business was handled badly!

goodflood said:
This root business was handled badly... users are upset, other developers are upset. I am not going to give my analysis unless specifically asked.
However, I have a few questions regarding this, and I hope someone can kindly answer them.
So, I am on d2att (Samsung Galaxy S3 - ATT) with LOS 14.1 and gapps
I flashed experimental build, rebooted, then, flashed the only LOS build for my device so far. I lost root.
I flashed supersu from here: https://download.chainfire.eu/1021/SuperSU/SR3-SuperSU-v2.79-SR3-20170114223742.zip. Of course, it did not work. I uninstalled it.
There is some whoha about Chainfire selling SuperSu to CCMT: https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/54xdmp/ccmt_who_exactly_are_the_owners_of_supersu/ So, now I could have untrustworthy files/access to my device, right? What do I do now -- Wipe clean and use ODIN to flash a clean ROM?
And that ROM would be to either go back to CM13 (last release) or build my own LOS ROM (with SU), right?
Now, I am hunting for root access (I don't know enough) Phh's SU on f-droid, Okay... what do I need to do? Some one posted instructions on reddit not to delete dalvik-cache after installing Phh's SU or do other things as they are risky... at this point, I don't know enough and not sure where to look. All in all, as I said before, root business was handled badly!
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I am not getting how this was "handled badly". You have to flash an extra zip file ONCE.

Must have missed the memos
Handled badly? PUH...leeze.
I have lost track of the number of: "this is done totally at your own risk" notifications that appear on this web site.
ALL of the root-related issues have been SO CLEARLY SPELLED OUT on the Lineage web site that even a total klutz like me figured it out.
Perhaps some folks feel the Lineage builds aren't worth what they are paying for them? No, that won't make sense, either.
Of course, we can always ASSUME someone made a complete Nandroid backup of their device before flashing the new ROM so that they can return to their previous configuration within minutes of deciding there was anything about the new ROM they didn't like, right ??
And since the first Lineage builds are pretty much the last CM builds with not much more than the logo stuff re-done, I am going to have to think for quite a while about the definition of "badly." Way too many people are expending a whole lot of effort at no expense to any of us to make this happen. GRATITUDE seems like a more appropriate response.
I must have missed the memos.

Root binaries are up...
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@jhedfors
flashing once... yes, thank you!
handled badly... besides the order in which rootless ROMs came out and root-zip came out, there was still a bit of chatter on their Gerrit from other developers, not necessarily back and forth but explanations into the big root change. Developers had to find work-arounds and adapt. For users, granted, they said build your own with SU, which I not up to yet, or wait for root/zip,... there are all levels of users and developers!
It is only a few days, but if they were still deciding... 1 week 2 weeks! I do understand the reasoning for why and agree with you, but they could have communicated this "big change" a little more so everyone involved would would have been better prepared!
@nezlek
missed the memo... LOL
but, memoS... is it metioned more than once... where?
so clearly spelled out... I totally disagree!
klutz... me I guess I am the king of klutz, with no one greater!
paying for them...? Perhaps the choice should have been clearer, so users know what they are "buying"... then they have a choice... stay on CM (with December security update) build your own or even do nothing.
Nandroid... yes, thank you... that would have done it. I am getting more organized with different tools... Appeater, bulk install and whatever else! I am definitely motivated to try building now!
Yes, LOS not much more than CM builds than a redone logo... AND ROOT REMOVED! See caps effect... highlight, stupid flashing things... rootless ROM paragraph (or a whole post) in itself, ROM file names with --noroot.zip would have all help. This is a big change; publicity would have been good. A post on its own, a better, sequence of events, etc. would have helped. For a definition of badly, see my response to @jhedfors above!
Grateful... I am! Having done some work myself, I know it takes a lot more than what I am capable of. Spoilt is more like it... never had to worry about root or look elsewhere or at other solutions!
At the end, as you say "...at your own risk" - no one made me do it, and my over sight is my FAULT!
@alexiuss
Again, thanks

In descending order of importance
First, (seriously) glad you finally got everything under control. That IS, after all, why we all are here.
Second, ditto on the Nandroid thing. My personal attempts at development often result in "damned glad I had this" far too often for someone with more expertise than yours truly. I barely turn a device on any more without a reasonably current TWRP based backup of the whole thing. Clearly it is the reason God made SD cards, in my humble opinion.
Your observation about being perhaps somewhat "spoiled" is well made. We all have been spoiled to a very large extent. Cyanogen was a well funded operation from the get go and managed to burn through MILLIONS in venture capital backing from all accounts. Frankly, I am not sure how they shall survive going forward since I think their new business model is inherently flawed, but "esta no mi problem, amigo."
Lineage is certainly at this moment a different type of operation. SOMEONE is eventually going to be paying the bills, and it might have made - in perfect hindsight - sense to hold back all of the releases until they were all completely ready to go, but I suspect the approval rating for the "as they are ready" mode is pretty high.
Folks need to sit back and enjoy the eventual ride. Especially those of us - SELF INCLUDED - who are fortunate enough to either have or will be able to soon expect our builds to be loaded up.
There's an old piece of Polish folk wisdom that applies pretty well in this case: "it will all heal by the wedding day."
Peace.

Me too... glad things are under control... as I know what I am doing I was being naive hoping that small bugs for my device got fixed so soon... again like you said... backup
Nandroid... I was using onandroid with nandroid manager, then, stopped as I went from CM 12 to 13 to 14 without problems. Did not even have to consider wiping anything (really spoilt or taking risks)! I need to look at the updated files/apps and TWRP based backup... always a good idea to have a backup especially if I/you are going to touch something that is a daily driver.
Cyanogenmod was going fine (I guess) before CM Inc. But, yes, I agree about sustainability and their business plan. Donations out of the goodness of the hearts of some people is helping for now.
If things go bad (some devices loose support) then hopefully there is someone who mods and builds for self and provides the file to others. Or, we'll be at the mercy of OEMs. Honesty, google devices might start looking good from "getting updates often" perspective. Or, stick to the legacy devices and hope nothing bad happens.
Yes, they could have held back all releases or at least until the root files were available. I agree... I am sure they wanted to push at least something "out the door" as soon as they could.
LOS is a different operation, yes... from when CM was under CM Inc. and although they returned to their roots, perhaps will be different from before... who knows! It is good to be cautious and ready, just in further shake ups happen... no guarantee of anything! Good to keep our head up!
nezlek said:
First, (seriously) glad you finally got everything under control. That IS, after all, why we all are here.
Second, ditto on the Nandroid thing. My personal attempts at development often result in "damned glad I had this" far too often for someone with more expertise than yours truly. I barely turn a device on any more without a reasonably current TWRP based backup of the whole thing. Clearly it is the reason God made SD cards, in my humble opinion.
Your observation about being perhaps somewhat "spoiled" is well made. We all have been spoiled to a very large extent. Cyanogen was a well funded operation from the get go and managed to burn through MILLIONS in venture capital backing from all accounts. Frankly, I am not sure how they shall survive going forward since I think their new business model is inherently flawed, but "esta no mi problem, amigo."
Lineage is certainly at this moment a different type of operation. SOMEONE is eventually going to be paying the bills, and it might have made - in perfect hindsight - sense to hold back all of the releases until they were all completely ready to go, but I suspect the approval rating for the "as they are ready" mode is pretty high.
Folks need to sit back and enjoy the eventual ride. Especially those of us - SELF INCLUDED - who are fortunate enough to either have or will be able to soon expect our builds to be loaded up.
There's an old piece of Polish folk wisdom that applies pretty well in this case: "it will all heal by the wedding day."
Peace.
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The root zip when flashed on my OnePlus 3 only works with a couple apps like TitaniumBackup. Busybox doesn't recognize root, nor does Magisk.
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So, this is happening again... LineageOS 15.1 nightlies have started trickling out and there is no addonsu-15.1-arm-signed.zip available...
I am going to assume NOT to flash 14.1 addonSU on a 15.1 ROM... correct me if I am wrong in thinking ==> It is only addonSU, it might work!

Question Is it safe to say?

That there is going to be very little development for this phone? I skipped the last few pixels, and was excited to get back into the game with the P6. But never did I remember it taking this long for Roms and mods to develop. Seems as though those days are gone. Samsung with their creation of Good Lock, seems to have surpassed the Pixel.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I haven't kept count, but there's been news in this section of at least 4-6 different ROMs for the P6P.
We have at least 3-4 custom kernels, as well.
As far as other development, click the Development or Mods filters and see what helpful things folks have cooked up for us so far, less than two months after the phone has been in user's hands.

PhilPan said:
That there is going to be very little development for this phone? I skipped the last few pixels, and was excited to get back into the game with the P6. But never did I remember it taking this long for Roms and mods to develop. Seems as though those days are gone. Samsung with their creation of Good Lock, seems to have surpassed the Pixel.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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I think there are at least 5 kernels already. Also I think there are at least another 3 or 4 roms either being tested or already having stable builds. There are also many mods already. I don't think the days of yore are quite gone yet...

Development and developer's will come... especially if they have the source code and the device!

I think this is all wishful thinking boys. The mods and roms that are out there are slim compared to the old days. You guys are reaching for straws here. Those days are over

I know for sure the devs behind Scorpion are working on bringup. Rom bringup for most devices is not easy or quick. Give it a few more months.

Phil would be a good Grinch

I'm a realist boys. Just ain't gonna happen. Sadly, I maybe forced to jump back to the S22 when it's released.
I hope you guys prove me wrong.

Actually I was dead surprised by the amount of development activities going on here, the multitude of Kernels and the first custom ROMs after very few weeks after release.
This is something that actually reminded me of "old times" whereas many other devices show comparable little development activities.
Not sure what you are looking for but I have to agree that "old times" are over - nowadays the necessity for custom development is much smaller than is was back then....

PhilPan said:
I'm a realist boys. Just ain't gonna happen. Sadly, I maybe forced to jump back to the S22 when it's released.
I hope you guys prove me wrong.
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No, that's not being a realist, that's being a pessimist, my dude. Realist is looking at things realistically, the good and bad. Pessimism is looking at everything negatively, realistically or no. You are doing the latter

s3axel said:
Actually I was dead surprised by the amount of development activities going on here, the multitude of Kernels and the first custom ROMs after very few weeks after release.
This is something that actually reminded me of "old times" whereas many other devices show comparable little development activities.
Not sure what you are looking for but I have to agree that "old times" are over - nowadays the necessity for custom development is much smaller than is was back then....
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I'd like to be able to have some customization, aside form the little that is out there. Also, it's just too difficult to upgrade anymore. I no people will chime in and say it's not. But it is. Having to hook to a computer and do adb commands to take an update is not something I want to be to doing all the time, praying my data isn't lost.
Samsung has surpassed the Pixel development community. I know people will hate on that, but it's true. I was able to do so much more with my Samsung out of the box, then I can with my Pixel. Add in the connection issues, and this is a dud.

PhilPan said:
I'm a realist boys. Just ain't gonna happen. Sadly, I maybe forced to jump back to the S22 when it's released.
I hope you guys prove me wrong.
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Seems like you already had your mind made up to begin with considering you're disregarding almost everything people are saying, which makes one wonder why you even opened this thread to begin with

Lughnasadh said:
Seems like you already had your mind made up to begin with considering you're disregarding almost everything people are saying, which makes one wonder why you even opened this thread to begin with
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My mind is definitely not made up. I hate Samsung. But you have to give them props for what they have done. I was so excited to come back to Pixel land. But around a month later I'm ehhhhhhhh.

PhilPan said:
I'd like to be able to have some customization, aside form the little that is out there. Also, it's just too difficult to upgrade anymore. I no people will chime in and say it's not. But it is. Having to hook to a computer and do adb commands to take an update is not something I want to be to doing all the time, praying my data isn't lost.
Samsung has surpassed the Pixel development community. I know people will hate on that, but it's true. I was able to do so much more with my Samsung out of the box, then I can with my Pixel. Add in the connection issues, and this is a dud.
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Yeah, all those issues when updating via Fastboot or ADB are a bit unsettling - I guess we have to wait for TWRP for a bit more of leeway. But at least we have a phone which can be unlocked and relocked without issues or warranty impacts !
As to tweaking: I was missing Gravitybox but got most of the tweaks thanks to the developers here - so that is good for me, but of course your mileage may vary ....
In the end I think we have seen the beginning of development on this phone, not its end

s3axel said:
Yeah, all those issues when updating via Fastboot or ADB are a bit unsettling - I guess we have to wait for TWRP for a bit more of leeway. But at least we have a phone which can be unlocked and relocked without issues or warranty impacts !
As to tweaking: I was missing Gravitybox but got most of the tweaks thanks to the developers here - so that is good for me, but of course your mileage may vary ....
In the end I think we have seen the beginning of development on this phone, not its end
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Thank you for seeing my point there.
And I am hoping you are correct.

PhilPan said:
My mind is definitely not made up. I hate Samsung. But you have to give them props for what they have done. I was so excited to come back to Pixel land. But around a month later I'm ehhhhhhhh.
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"Just ain't gonna happen".
Sure sounds like your mind is made up..
Also, "...a month later...". I don't think it's being a "realist" to expect a plethora of roms to be available in 1 month, especially since many developers may have just gotten the phone or may not even have the phone as of yet. Development takes time and testing.
"Softly, softly, catchee monkey"

s3axel said:
Actually I was dead surprised by the amount of development activities going on here, the multitude of Kernels and the first custom ROMs after very few weeks after release.
This is something that actually reminded me of "old times" whereas many other devices show comparable little development activities.
Not sure what you are looking for but I have to agree that "old times" are over - nowadays the necessity for custom development is much smaller than is was back then....
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Well said, and I agree with all three of your statements.

Well my last phone was the Galaxy S10 and, oh boy did it take long until development really started. The Pixel 6 development is way quicker.
The roms and mods were more basic as well in the beginning, just give it time my man. The phone is barely 2 months old.

The 6pro has a fulfillment issue as well. Many people still don't have them yet.

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the image attached is the s21 ultra development as of today, i would say the pixel 6 pro is in a good state considering we don't have twrp yet.
I do agree that the glory days of flashing your phone are over, but thats also because the OS has matured quite considerably where custom roms are replaced with simple magisk modules.
One other factor for me personally is losing app functionality for important apps by tripping safety net, but thanks to the workaround i was comfortable enough with rooting my p6p.