Develop Bugs

Battery charging after update

Anyone else got this? My battery should be fully charged in the morning with the green light on - but the battery is 91% (or 94% or 99%). Then if I plug the charger it jumps from 91% to 100% in seconds.
Just hope its just waiting few cycles to calibrate or something... :/

Yeah, it seems to sort itself out after a few charges.

same with mine, only just happened after the update

I have something else to share about battery charging after update. I usually charge my phone from my computer's usb port during the night.
However after the update USB charging is much slower than before. It would take about 4 hours to charge from empty, but since the updates it only charges with a rate of 13% every hour so it takes more than 7 hours to fully charge from empty.
Anybody else noticed this?

zonkkk said:
I have something else to share about battery charging after update. I usually charge my phone from my computer's usb port during the night.
However after the update USB charging is much slower than before. It would take about 4 hours to charge from empty, but since the updates it only charges with a rate of 13% every hour so it takes more than 7 hours to fully charge from empty.
Anybody else noticed this?
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yeah, ive had these same exact issues. its so annoying. its just not worth charging via PC usb any more

The GTalk issue is out there again, not sure if its the culprit? I have unchecked the 'automatically sign in' and logged out, but it keeps turning on and logging me in by itself. Im sure its one of the reasons for the battery drain. Anyone else with this?
This morning it dropped from 100% to 88% in less than two hours without really doing anything with the phone...

this whole 'stopping charging till 90% once its reached 100%' issue is rediculous. I cant believe that HTC have added this to the update (cos it didnt happen before) for a phone where users rarely get a days usage out of the phone battery anyway! Now you even stand the chance of starting the day with 10% less charge than you should....rediculous!
if its something they want to include then thats fine, but at least give us the option of turning it off

This is from a german forum:
Let the phone empty the battery until it switch off for its own. Switch on again and do a new boot until the phone is switch off again. When switched off charge the battery completely with the original charger.
... and the 90% issue is gone

I have a second battery I never used before. Im going to put it to charge tonight - and let it do few complete full/drained cycles. Hope works ok.
Wonder if everyone else has the persistent GTalk on? I dont want it!! Arghhhhh....

I have the same issue with mine Desire after updating last week,just get the green light for a full charge and after a few minutes I check my battery widget and lol 10 % are gone.Any chances for fixing that issue?I would appreciate if anyone give a helpful advice.thanx in advance.cheers

zahari said:
I have the same issue with mine Desire after updating last week,just get the green light for a full charge and after a few minutes I check my battery widget and lol 10 % are gone.Any chances for fixing that issue?I would appreciate if anyone give a helpful advice.thanx in advance.cheers
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look up at post #8 and give that a try. Thats what im gonna do and im sure people will report back on here after theyve tried it to see if it works

topcaser said:
This is from a german forum:
Let the phone empty the battery until it switch off for its own. Switch on again and do a new boot until the phone is switch off again. When switched off charge the battery completely with the original charger.
... and the 90% issue is gone
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this didnt work with me...still have the 90% issue

Look to this thread, we are talking about the same issue.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=689861

gyro11 said:
this didnt work with me...still have the 90% issue
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The same here...

do we have new info about this issue ?

Is this such a huge issue then? I mean, sure you want it to show the correct %. But does it affect the total duration in any way?
The 10% can eventually level out when being used. I wonder if the device is at e.g. 30% it should actually be 40% in this case, or the 30% is actually quite accurate.
The % is an estimate to give a better representation how much there is left rather than just following the voltage drop. But in the end it will most probably be the voltage that makes the device decide whether or not the battery is empty.

Don't be silly, ofcourse this is a huge issue, did u ever seen such a issue on any other device, even devices of 5$ dont have this strange behavior.
Phone from such class to have such a problem, this is annoying.
And rather iPhone4 signal strenth issue i think here problem is software and it will be fixed

Comon, a 'huge issue'?! It's merely some % figure that's not shown correctly.
Oh well, I guess it's a compliment for the Desire then.. if 10% off is a huge issue, the rest can't be so bad!
Devices of $5 are really bad in showing correct percentages really. One part of the % goes fast, other slow and then suddenly fast again (you know, 1 out of 3 blocks left but flat battery in no-time, while the second block lasted hours and hours). Just because a device says it's 100% loaded, it doesn't mean it's actually correct.
That's why I wondered: Does it actually affect battery performance. If it does, then (and only then) you can call it a 'huge issue'. Otherwise I would just call it a minor annoyance. But obviously stuff like this might be personal eh!
But I'm quite convinced as well this is a software problem and can be fixed. I just don't think it will be very high on the HTC priority list

Ok, i agree its minor annoyance, but anyway it's annoying at least to me, you are right, this percentage may be fake, but for me it will be better if they show me real battery load
cheers
ps. i saw in your signature u r 1.15.405.4 - do u have this behavior on it ?

Well, the Desire is gone to be replaced now. But I didn't have this problem with my old Desire. Then that one got replaced (because HTC scratched it), and the new one did have this problem.
But now the Desire is off again because of weird touchscreen problem, so lets see how the new one holds up

Battery Question (NOT a complaint, for once)

Hey all
So I, personally, don't have such an issue with the battery like other people. I'm coming from a near 2-year old G1, and i think the battery life and performance on the EVO is better, so i'm generally cool on this front.
But here's my curiosity question...
I'll charge up this badboy to 100% overnight.
When i take it off the charger, it dips down from 100% to about 95% in a matter of about 5 minutes.
After that, it's cool and lasts a while, so it evens everything out for me.
But i'm just curious as to why i have an almost instant 5% drop when i take it off the charger? Where does the 5% instantly go?

The Evo isn't topping the battery off, that's all.
I think I *might* know a solution, I believe I saw the phone stores battery "calibration" or something like that. I'll look into it eventually.

I had the same problem until I tried the trick I found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=701567
After doing this my battery doesn't plunge when I take it off the charger, the only thing im not sure about is how often this trick needs to be done, hope that helps.

Akulamenuri said:
I had the same problem until I tried the trick I found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=701567
After doing this my battery doesn't plunge when I take it off the charger, the only thing im not sure about is how often this trick needs to be done, hope that helps.
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I've done this and for me it helped a lot.

Battery calibration app

Could someone please develop a good app that would enable the battery to be drained as much as possible and to charge slower so we could all properly calibrate our batteries?

Do we really need this since it's a Li-ion battery? I know Ni-Mh and Ni-Cad has memory effect, but not on the Li-Ion battery.

I was just wondering the same thing today....simply because there seems to be several different methods to do it. Some say charge 8 hours, turn off, charge and hour, unplug, turn on charge 10 minutes. Then other methods say to do something different....be nice to have an app to walk you through different methods so you know step by step your doing it right

I calibrated mine last night and I'm going to get about 18 hours if not more from it....before yesterday I was getting 9.
The ONLY other different I did was make some profiles on CPU but I cant imagine it would make that much of a difference. I bet its a mix of both

deonjahy said:
Could someone please develop a good app that would enable the battery to be drained as much as possible and to charge slower so we could all properly calibrate our batteries?
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That is to funny I was just saying to my wife the other day that I should make one of these programs seeing that there are none already. I hate having to manually kill my battery every night before I charge it again.
Is it needed? It depends on your school of thought, some say yes, some say no. All I know is that on the few devices I have had in the past, if I constantly plug them in to "top them off" then the battery never ends up lasting very long after a few months of doing that. So I am a believer in killing the battery before charging on devices like these.
So the bottom line is if there is a desire for this, I may try to put an app together for it, as I know myself I am interested I just didn't think many others would be.

All the battery calibration tools, are basically deleting the file... right?
Is it that hard to boot into recovery and wipe battery stats?

deonjahy said:
Could someone please develop a good app that would enable the battery to be drained as much as possible and to charge slower so we could all properly calibrate our batteries?
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I think the second part has to do with hardware. The phones hardware just doesn't have trickle charge implemented and instead lets it drop back down to 90% then starts charging it again.
As for the second part, it came on our phones, even has a default widget. 4G
paulieb81 said:
That is to funny I was just saying to my wife the other day that I should make one of these programs seeing that there are none already. I hate having to manually kill my battery every night before I charge it again.
Is it needed? It depends on your school of thought, some say yes, some say no. All I know is that on the few devices I have had in the past, if I constantly plug them in to "top them off" then the battery never ends up lasting very long after a few months of doing that. So I am a believer in killing the battery before charging on devices like these.
So the bottom line is if there is a desire for this, I may try to put an app together for it, as I know myself I am interested I just didn't think many others would be.
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Um... actually that is (by most accounts) bad for Li-Ion. You want to AVOID completely draining them. All of this stuff is more art than science, but I have way more often heard that completely draining LI batteries is bad. What kills them is the number of cycles they have been through (like -25 +25, -25 +25, -50 +50 would be a full cycle).
You do however want to give them a full up down cycle once in a while (maybe every 1-3 months) for calibration.
Then again, as I said, it is more art than science, and I have heard your method as being better, but the not draining argument seems to be the vast majority.
I'll try to do a little look-see and update this or repost if I find any stronger evidence.

the thing about my phone and battery that ALWAYS baffled me was i would plug it in at night be it at 10% or 22 i would leave plugged in while slept i would wake up unplug and look at battery percentage and it would be like 95.....no other phone has even unplugged and dropped 5 percent by doing nothing????

turn your brightness to 100% and change it so that it never turns off; use wifi tether and play a 720p movie at the same time; oc your kernel to it's highest stable frequency. it'll drain pretty quickly.

I know I might get flamed for this....
Apple suggests, with their laptops, to once a month or so, run the battery completely down. Then let the battery cool down for a little bit. Then give it a full, uninterrupted, overnight charge. I forget if they said to repeat this a second time, then you're good.
This is all from memory of me reading this a couple years ago or so, so our might not be verbatim. Their laptops use lithium ion technology...
(and they used to blow up and melt down too!) Lol!
Wrong word choice and misspelling courtesy of swype.

mykeldrip said:
the thing about my phone and battery that ALWAYS baffled me was i would plug it in at night be it at 10% or 22 i would leave plugged in while slept i would wake up unplug and look at battery percentage and it would be like 95.....no other phone has even unplugged and dropped 5 percent by doing nothing????
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That's because the phone stops charging when it reaches 100%, and runs off of battery probably until it reaches in the low 90s, then charges again. You won't ever notice this because the light will always be green. However, you'll notice that unplugging it a few moments after it turns green, the battery will stay anywhere from 100%-98% for a while. At least on my phone it does.

Is there any way to make this program "auto run" during sleep so it can do everything it needs to do during the night charge (similar to quickpull for blackberry)

laydros said:
I think the second part has to do with hardware. The phones hardware just doesn't have trickle charge implemented and instead lets it drop back down to 90% then starts charging it again.
As for the second part, it came on our phones, even has a default widget. 4G
Um... actually that is (by most accounts) bad for Li-Ion. You want to AVOID completely draining them. All of this stuff is more art than science, but I have way more often heard that completely draining LI batteries is bad. What kills them is the number of cycles they have been through (like -25 +25, -25 +25, -50 +50 would be a full cycle).
You do however want to give them a full up down cycle once in a while (maybe every 1-3 months) for calibration.
Then again, as I said, it is more art than science, and I have heard your method as being better, but the not draining argument seems to be the vast majority.
I'll try to do a little look-see and update this or repost if I find any stronger evidence.
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I am by no means an expert so if you find any reliable info on this and can link us to read, I would love to learn more. All I know is that it is commonly said to drain rechargeable batteries and that I have seen that topping them off very often does lead to battery life degradation.

Tyzing said:
Is there any way to make this program "auto run" during sleep so it can do everything it needs to do during the night charge (similar to quickpull for blackberry)
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There is no need to fully drain the battery. Its purpose in calibration is to configure the software that is correlating voltage to percentage charged. That's all. Regarding the old Apple advice, that is doing the same thing. It will not affect the hardware.
Now, what WILL affect the hardware is charging itself. Every charge/discharge cycle will reduce the total capacity of the battery. This is why the EVO will not cycle on it's own until 10% discharged. It's improving the overall battery life by that restriction.
In short, you will save money overall by getting a higher capacity battery that you don't force to charge too often. Draining your battery does nothing but give you peace of mind and it only really needs recalibrating when it's total capacity has been reduced which isn't often. 3-6 months.
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herbthehammer said:
I know I might get flamed for this....
Apple suggests, with their laptops, to once a month or so, run the battery completely down. Then let the battery cool down for a little bit. Then give it a full, uninterrupted, overnight charge. I forget if they said to repeat this a second time, then you're good.
This is all from memory of me reading this a couple years ago or so, so our might not be verbatim. Their laptops use lithium ion technology...
(and they used to blow up and melt down too!) Lol!
Wrong word choice and misspelling courtesy of swype.
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Yeah except that's not a good idea, it will kill the weak cells.

I understand. Still think it would be useful if it would do the "juice until LED changes" method while sleeping though

paulieb81 said:
So the bottom line is if there is a desire for this, I may try to put an app together for it, as I know myself I am interested I just didn't think many others would be.
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I'm interested!

Btw - what are the charging calibrations people are using? Are you seeing one working better than another?

Im a noob, so take what I say worth a grain of salt but yesterday I did the standard method where you fully charge...turn off...plug back in until led changes green and do it a few times.
I went from 9 hours to 17 hours with no other changes except a few profiles in setCPU.
I did this just last night so my results are fresh.

Tyzing said:
I calibrated mine last night and I'm going to get about 18 hours if not more from it....before yesterday I was getting 9.
The ONLY other different I did was make some profiles on CPU but I cant imagine it would make that much of a difference. I bet its a mix of both
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A few SetCPU profiles is all it takes to see a dramatic increase in battery life, especially while screen off. If you disable it I bet whatever gain you think was from 'calibrating' it disappears.

Will "trickle-charge" kernels end up damaging our phones? *UPDATE: 8 CASUALTIES!*

Will "trickle-charge" kernels end up damaging our phones? *UPDATE: 8 CASUALTIES!*
I installed one of these amazing new kernels the other day and loved it. I was even able to keep 100% for about 30 minutes of usage and I was amazed. Yet today I checked Phandroid and an article from an XDA contributer came up:
http://phandroid.com/2010/12/25/you...is-lying-to-you-and-its-not-such-a-bad-thing/
In the article he explained (from what I understand) that he thinks knows it is a GOOD THING that phones aren't programmed to allow the battery to keep charging at the real 100% because it would end up damaging the battery in the end, much like how many of the early cell phone batterys would get damaged.
Until I find out the answer I (sadly) switched back to my old kernel, as I would rather be safe than sorry, at least until I find out for sure.
Any responses?
UPDATES:
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CASUALTY LIST (please PM me any casualties, the list seems to be growing in numbers rapidly)
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Battery Emitting "Smoke" : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=904577
Battery Failure during Trickle Charge: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=900412
SBC killed my battery: http://forum.androidcentral.com/htc-evo-4g-roms-hacks/51972-sbc-killed-my-battery.html
MIUI + Savage = dead battery http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10422140&postcount=9 and http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10432778&postcount=139
ANOTHER dead battery http://forum.androidcentral.com/htc-evo-4g-roms-hacks/51972-sbc-killed-my-battery-2.html#post517436
Battery loses charge after extended time with sbc kernel http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10431788&postcount=49
Another one bites the dust... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10457753&postcount=162
COUNT ME IN http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10469184&postcount=174
Current Count: 8
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Various Dev Reactions:
Ziggy's editorial on WHY these kernels shouldn't exist and are dangerous (written before the new epidemic of dead batteries):http://www.ziggy471.com/2011/01/02/overcharging-batteries/
Netarchy's post explaining why he's REMOVING all SBC kernels from his page: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10421166&postcount=6185
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THIS IS A CALL TO ALL ROM/KERNAL DEVELOPERS: Please don't include this feature in our favorite roms. I have been having to switch Kernels on my latest roms becuase I don't want to risk killing my battery (and that is a PAIN)
My $0.02:
I trust these developers on this site ALOT. What they have managed to do with the software is amazing. However, software is software. These trickle-charge kernels were amazing SOFTWARE-WISE. However, the effects of charges on batteries are not your specialty, so while it may be amazing that you all developed these kernels, there effect on the battery is not alright. I (sorry) trust an industry of battery/software engineers over some basement-developers who like pushing the limits (Pushing the limits is awesome, just not when it comes to batteries lol)

hmsheen10 said:
I installed one of these amazing new kernels the other day and loved it. I was even able to keep 100% for about 30 minutes of usage and I was amazed. Yet today I checked Phandroid and an article from an XDA contributer came up:
http://phandroid.com/2010/12/25/you...is-lying-to-you-and-its-not-such-a-bad-thing/
In the article he explained (from what I understand) that he thinks knows it is a GOOD THING that phones aren't programmed to allow the battery to keep charging at the real 100% because it would end up damaging the battery in the end, much like how many of the early cell phone batterys would get damaged.
Until I find out the answer I (sadly) switched back to my old kernel, as I would rather be safe than sorry, at least until I find out for sure.
Any responses?
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Yup, there is a reason why all the phone makers have them charge like that and there is also a reason why putting custom roms on your phone voids your warranty.
Remember hearing about all those ipod and lap top batteries that liked to blow up?
Edit: he's also forgetting that when the battery gets close to full the voltage starts changing less and less, to the point that it is nearly impossible to accurately tell how much battery you have when it is over 80% full
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i knew it was too good to be true :\

yea i get amazing battery life with this trickle charging only when i leave it on charger for around 7+ hours. Sounds like i should stop using that then damn

Edit: didnt mean to quote anyone
From what I read the article didnt reveal any specifics to if and when it will damage a battery.The article seemed to suggest that because battery manufacturers changed how they implimented charging it means that trickle charging is bad. It does not have enough variables in this observation to come to any conclusion. If advancements have been made in the battery industry you could also come to the conlcusion that trickle charging is or would be ok.
I am not trying to go against the article or this thread but simply wondering if after a thorough evaluation of the battery capacity after say 3 months using trickle charging and one without trickle charging we give an conclusion.
If need be I will run my phone with trickle charging, will someone else volunteer there phone for research?

For the extra bump I get every day now Ill by a new battery for 15 bucks a little more often. Its worth it for me YMMV

Yep, trickle charging is bad for the battery. Rememebr when all those laptop batteries were catching on fire? Same thing could potentially happen if your battery is not charged properly. They charge the batteries the way they do for a reason. That reason is relatively long battery life and safety.
Here is a good article on the subject.

I think that the makers of all these new kernels than should put up a warning specifically pertaining to the dangers of the kernel
Sent from my EVO

Quoting ms79723 :
Will this damage my battery?
This charging method doesnt damage the batteries at all. It shouldnt. Because our batteries dont even charge up to 4.2V without the tweak. They charge up to 4.2V the first charge, then drop all the way down to 4.08V or something and then does these weird short burst chargers to 4.1-4.125V. Thats why there's the rapid drop in the morning. Because your voltage is actually at 4.125V and that's not 100%. So with this tweak, the charger keeps charging until you're at 4.2V (or the maximum voltage your battery can get to) and then it trickle chargers while at that voltage. The charger itself never turns off. Thats not a bad thing. Because as you reach your actual voltage, the mA decreases. Which is why our phones will never be damaged. You ever want to know why its really easy to charge from 50-80% but the charge from 90-100% seems to take so long? Its because from 50% the mA going into the phone is in the 600's. Once it reaches 90%, the mA is around 150 and once it reaches 95% you're looking at 90mA. The phone when absolutely idle uses anywhere from 60-120mA, even when on the charger. So charging from 90% to 100% takes longer becaus the mA going into the phone isnt always higher than the mA you're losing. This is the same with charging past 100%. As you leave the phone on the charger with this tweak, you're mA will decrease from 50mA all the way down to 2mA overnight. But on the charger you're losing about 30-60mA already, so you'll never overcharge the battery, in best case scenarios, you'll just maintain the voltage of 4.2 or around 4.2V.
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Unfortunately, if you read their thread, they say they disagree that any harm is being done.
Personally, I am not a battery expert, though I do have some experience with them in the EV car field, but my understanding is these batteries will be damaged if continuously held at a full charge. That is why the manufacturers design the system to full charge, then discharge to approximately 90% and then charge again, continuously cycling the battery.
From what I have read and from talking to the guys who design Li-ion batteries, they say that prolonging the time that the battery is at full charge significantly reduces battery life. Over time it can also lead to overheating resulting in an unsafe battery. For those reasons, virtually all properly designed charging circuits for Li-ion batteries are set up to let the battery sit at full charge for the shortest time possible.
Vann's quote from the kernel thread proves my point, what it appears they are trying to do is hold the battery fully charged while it is on the charger. That might increase the amount of time you can run your phone in the short run. But in the long run it will kill the battery.

I suggest you guys RELAX and try to stick with the responsibility of handling your phone the easiest way possible. Being not the hardest way to learn, but you eventually find the way to start new each time you look at your phone. Just saying kinda like when I have my EVO, It is just peachy to have. I don't want to tear the skin or even puncture the screen. LOL Like a PEACH?
I'm imaginative today and well, I always try to keep my phone in cool conditions, for short say. I use Juice Defender with Ultimate Juice with a good nice kernel and ROM that suits it as it suits.

alekosy said:
I suggest you guys RELAX and try to stick with the responsibility of handling your phone the easiest way possible. Being not the hardest way to learn, but you eventually find the way to start new each time you look at your phone. Just saying kinda like when I have my EVO, It is just peachy to have. I don't want to tear the skin or even puncture the screen. LOL Like a PEACH?
I'm imaginative today and well, I always try to keep my phone in cool conditions, for short say. I use Juice Defender with Ultimate Juice with a good nice kernel and ROM that suits it as it suits.
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wtf.........?

Well its just like rooting and flashing custom roms, it may do this it may do that. If its such a concern don't use it. I'm using it and my phone doesn't take 7 hours to charge and it doesn't overheat at all, its a risk I am taking and I don't hold the developer responsible for it if something goes wrong. I understand the concern about this and I'm sure he will add a disclaimer.

wow and i was just starting to appreciate the new kernels. thanks for ruining it for me guys...
haha no i guess thanks for saving me....

dkdude36 said:
wow and i was just starting to appreciate the new kernels. thanks for ruining it for me guys...
haha no i guess thanks for saving me....
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Agreeeeeeeeeed!

wfrandy said:
Yep, trickle charging is bad for the battery. Rememebr when all those laptop batteries were catching on fire? Same thing could potentially happen if your battery is not charged properly. They charge the batteries the way they do for a reason. That reason is relatively long battery life and safety.
Here is a good article on the subject.
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This article is confusing because it says 2 different things:
1. The current "trickle charging" kernels are safe but we should be calling them "topping off" instead:
Full charge is attained after the voltage threshold has been reached and the current has dropped to 3% of the rated current or has leveled off.
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The kernels drop to 0mA at 4.20V, so the voltage threshold is reached and the current safely drops.
2. The kernel is not safe because it keeps the battery at 4.20V/cell continuously:
No trickle charge is applied because lithium-ion is unable to absorb overcharge. A continuous trickle charge above 4.05V/cell would causes plating of metallic lithium that could lead to instabilities and compromise safety. Instead, a brief topping charge is provided to compensate for the small self-discharge the battery and its protective circuit consume. Depending on the battery, a topping charge may be repeated once every 20 days.
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What am I missing?

guys... this is from the article put up:
When charging above 4.30V, the cell causes plating of metallic lithium on the anode; the cathode material becomes an oxidizing agent, loses stability and releases oxygen. Overcharging causes the cell to heat up. If left unattended, the cell could vent with flame.
The "trickle charge" kernels never go near 4.30v, mine stops at 4.19. Also, the temperature during the "trickle" overnight is very low. after 8 hours of "trickling" my battery was at 30 degrees C. Only time will tell if the battery life is SLIGHTLY shortened from this charging, but it is in NO WAY NEAR exploding, catching fire, blah blah blah. Stop scaring people, read the articles you post yourself and actually look at what is going on in these kernels. You may surprise yourself!
Now, if you cant get a replacement battery because you live on the moon and want your battery life to stay 3 years instead of 2 1/2, then it is your choice to not use these kernels, but dont scare others away just because you don't want to partake.

aph said:
This article is confusing because it says 2 different things:
1. The current "trickle charging" kernels are safe but we should be calling them "topping off" instead:
The kernels drop to 0mA at 4.20V, so the voltage threshold is reached and the current safely drops.
2. The kernel is not safe because it keeps the battery at 4.20V/cell continuously:
What am I missing?
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wtf.........?
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Jfree3000 said:
Well its just like rooting and flashing custom roms, it may do this it may do that. If its such a concern don't use it. I'm using it and my phone doesn't take 7 hours to charge and it doesn't overheat at all, its a risk I am taking and I don't hold the developer responsible for it if something goes wrong. I understand the concern about this and I'm sure he will add a disclaimer.
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dkdude36 said:
wow and i was just starting to appreciate the new kernels. thanks for ruining it for me guys...
haha no i guess thanks for saving me....
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hmsheen10 said:
Agreeeeeeeeeed!
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LOL I don't know, but battery trickling isn't good to be heard to deal nicely with these EVOs, but If you wanna try to give it a run or a test on your own, be prepared that you voided your warranty.

alekosy said:
LOL I don't know, but battery trickling isn't good to be heard to deal nicely with these EVOs, but If you wanna try to give it a run or a test on your own, be prepared that you voided your warranty.
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Your warranty was void as soon as you were able to flash a kernel... seriously... (I still have had a screen replaced from separating though!)
Look! A brand new battery for your EVO for $2.92 shipped!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/1500-mAh-HTC-Ex...ccessories&hash=item4aa608f2c7#ht_3246wt_1198
I guess I don't care if I have to replace them... just as long as they last an extra couple of hours everyday...
You all know that there is NO WAY it can hurt the actual phone, right???

sd2649 said:
Your warranty was void as soon as you were able to flash a kernel... seriously... (I still have had a screen replaced from separating though!)
Look! A brand new battery for your EVO for $2.92 shipped!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/1500-mAh-HTC-Ex...ccessories&hash=item4aa608f2c7#ht_3246wt_1198
I guess I don't care if I have to replace them... just as long as they last an extra couple of hours everyday...
You all know that there is NO WAY it can hurt the actual phone, right???
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And try JuiceDefender with UltimateJuice, the 2nd app is a small fee paid app for donation, but it's very useful with the right kernel and rom for your liking. Trust on that, I think everyone would probably agree that this way would be the safest legit way.

Redmi Note 8 Pro not charging at 100% after less than a month of use

Hi, I'm currently experiencing some problems with my Redmi Note 8 Pro.
I've had my phone for less than a month, and it's starting to get issues with the battery.
The battery, whether I charge it with the original wall charger, or I use a computer to charge it, or o use an alternative wall charger (that is for slow charge), it can't get to 100%.
It gets stuck at 99% and says, full charge in 2 minutes, even though the 2 minutes have passed long time ago.
I haven't done a full battery drain, and I always try to use a slow charge charger.
I also haven't done a full cycle without using the phone, maybe that's the problem.
But I'm worried, and I need some help, because I got the phone (as I said) less than a month ago, I haven't even payed the first installment.
I'm still within the seller's warranty, but I need some advices to what can I do, because returning the phone to the seller, to make a change, is gonna cost me 15 to 20 days. And I don't have any other phone to use.
Please, if someone can give me some advice, or tell me what to do, it's completely welcome.
Thanks.
And by the way, I'm using the Global 128Gb version, if that helps.
Edit 29/01/2020: I did a full discharge, because I couldn't read the quotes earlier, and I didn't realize how big the problem could be. Now, the phone can't go over 79%.

I didn't expected this issue with my RN8P, but with other phones (cheap noname ones).
A discharge to around 5%, and a full charge without unplugging did the trick for me.

AnonyIsRight said:
Hi, I'm currently experiencing some problems with my Redmi Note 8 Pro.
I've had my month for less than a month, and it's starting to get issues with the battery.
The battery, whether I charge it with the original wall charger, or I use a computer to charge it, or o use an alternative wall charger (that is for slow charge), it can't get to 100%.
It gets stuck at 99% and says, full charge in 2 minutes, even though the 2 minutes have passed long time ago.
I haven't done a full battery drain, and I always try to use a slow charge charger.
I also haven't done a full cycle without using the phone, maybe that's the problem.
But I'm worried, and I need some help, because I got the phone (as I said) less than a month ago, I haven't even payed the first installment.
I'm still within the seller's warranty, but I need some advices to what can I do, because returning the phone to the seller, to make a change, is gonna cost me 15 to 20 days. And I don't have any other phone to use.
Please, if someone can give me some advice, or tell me what to do, it's completely welcome.
Thanks.
And by the way, I'm using the Global 128Gb version, if that helps.
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When I cannot tell if its some HW related problem with your phone or battery but I am really wondering why you want to do full charges (and/or discharges)? It is known to wear battery way faster. Li-on or Li-po batteries do not have memory effects and it is known to be best to always keep them charge for example between 15-20% and 80-85% trying to never get bellow or above.
This phone has a pretty big battery, that normally should be enough to bring you through a day of normal use (if it does not you may want to check your hungry apps running in the bg) but maybe you are an heavy gamer or use your phone for some heavy usage stuff?
Even then, it would be best to do 2 quick 15 to 50-60% in about 30 mins with QC2 (18W original Wall charger) rather than one unique full charge.
Looking at what you said with slow charging you probably know all of that already, but the faster you charge the battery, even if same %, the faster it will discharge. As odd as it is, remains factual.
I dont know if you ever used an external amperemeter or similar to check what kind of current was actually going through your battery while charging, but if you do you will notice the first % goes way faster to charge than the last few %. The chip dealing with the battery charge, charges slower and slower toward the end because it could damage the battery, when on the opposite it is rather safe to quick charge the % in the middle.
Also you may want to check your alternative 'slow wall charger' to make sure it provides you with a steady voltage current (V). If it is fluctuating too much, it may damage your battery.
If you want to do further research about the subject, there is a note on the RN8PRO Telegram group explaining how to calibrate your battery by deleting some system files (root needed as far as I remember) and having some charges/discharges steps. Personally I have not done it because it requires to go to 100% and 0% a few times, and depleting a Li-ion/Li-po battery completely can damage it irreversibly. They are not meant to be discharged fully period. Now battery should not be completely drained when OS takes the phone off, that said we never know for sure since we cannot change that setting unlike on our windows laptops, but I dont want to take the risk.
When you are stuck to 99% it kind of looks to be the OS not being able to know if the battery is fully charged or not. In that state of things, have you tried to turn off the device without unplugging to see if the off-mode charging screen (the small battery screen with % when you turn your phone off) also remains at 99% or gets to 100% at some point? Because maybe all you need is to restart the phone to make OS aware the battery is fully charged. Could be a SW known/unknown issue/bug to be fixed with future updates for all I know.
But again, I don't think you should fully charge and/or discharge (if you do) your phone when you can avoid it.
Just my 2 cents.
Hope this helps,
Regards,

-=Fxs=- said:
I didn't expected this issue with my RN8P, but with other phones (cheap noname ones).
A discharge to around 5%, and a full charge without unplugging did the trick for me.
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I tried it, and... it got worse.
Now it can't go over 79%. :c
Thanks for trying to help anyways.

Muad.Dib said:
When I cannot tell if its some HW related problem with your phone or battery but I am really wondering why you want to do full charges (and/or discharges)? It is known to wear battery way faster. Li-on or Li-po batteries do not have memory effects and it is known to be best to always keep them charge for example between 15-20% and 80-85% trying to never get bellow or above.
This phone has a pretty big battery, that normally should be enough to bring you through a day of normal use (if it does not you may want to check your hungry apps running in the bg) but maybe you are an heavy gamer or use your phone for some heavy usage stuff?
Even then, it would be best to do 2 quick 15 to 50-60% in about 30 mins with QC2 (18W original Wall charger) rather than one unique full charge.
Looking at what you said with slow charging you probably know all of that already, but the faster you charge the battery, even if same %, the faster it will discharge. As odd as it is, remains factual.
I dont know if you ever used an external amperemeter or similar to check what kind of current was actually going through your battery while charging, but if you do you will notice the first % goes way faster to charge than the last few %. The chip dealing with the battery charge, charges slower and slower toward the end because it could damage the battery, when on the opposite it is rather safe to quick charge the % in the middle.
Also you may want to check your alternative 'slow wall charger' to make sure it provides you with a steady voltage current (V). If it is fluctuating too much, it may damage your battery.
If you want to do further research about the subject, there is a note on the RN8PRO Telegram group explaining how to calibrate your battery by deleting some system files (root needed as far as I remember) and having some charges/discharges steps. Personally I have not done it because it requires to go to 100% and 0% a few times, and depleting a Li-ion/Li-po battery completely can damage it irreversibly. They are not meant to be discharged fully period. Now battery should not be completely drained when OS takes the phone off, that said we never know for sure since we cannot change that setting unlike on our windows laptops, but I dont want to take the risk.
When you are stuck to 99% it kind of looks to be the OS not being able to know if the battery is fully charged or not. In that state of things, have you tried to turn off the device without unplugging to see if the off-mode charging screen (the small battery screen with % when you turn your phone off) also remains at 99% or gets to 100% at some point? Because maybe all you need is to restart the phone to make OS aware the battery is fully charged. Could be a SW known/unknown issue/bug to be fixed with future updates for all I know.
But again, I don't think you should fully charge and/or discharge (if you do) your phone when you can avoid it.
Just my 2 cents.
Hope this helps,
Regards,
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Hi Muad.Dib,
Well, I wanted to do that full charge a/o discharge because I thought it would help with the issue (turns out, it didn't, it got worse as you said) but I didn't know the effects of this before, I always thought it wouldn't have any effect. I wish I could have read your reply before doing it (I was busy and couldn't read it).
The battery lasts for more than a day (or it did before), and I always try to keep it clean from battery draining apps, and I don't play games that much on the phone, less than an hour per day.
Do you recommend me to do those 2 charges to 60% in my state? (phone can't get over 79% now).
I haven't ever used an amperemeter because I don't have one, and neither I do know how to use one of those.
If you can lend me a hand and give me the link to join the Telegram Group, it would very helpful ??. But I don't want to root the phone yet, cause the seller's warranty stills intact.
And yes, I have tried it and the off-mode charging screen keeps showing me 99% (or kept, because now it keeps at 79%). And I also tried few restarts and it didn't fixed it. :c
And I'm sorry, I wish I could've avoided it, but I read your reply too late.
Thanks for trying to help me anyways.
PS. I will try to do a factory reset to see if the MIUI update has something to do with the issue (because the seller told me to do it, and I will do it, though I don't think it could solve the issue). Please, if you have any advice before I do it, you could help me a lot. ( I'll do it something around 11:00 AM in GMT -03:00)

AnonyIsRight said:
Hi Muad.Dib,
Well, I wanted to do that full charge a/o discharge because I thought it would help with the issue (turns out, it didn't, it got worse as you said) but I didn't know the effects of this before, I always thought it wouldn't have any effect. I wish I could have read your reply before doing it (I was busy and couldn't read it).
The battery lasts for more than a day (or it did before), and I always try to keep it clean from battery draining apps, and I don't play games that much on the phone, less than an hour per day.
Do you recommend me to do those 2 charges to 60% in my state? (phone can't get over 79% now).
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Hey.
Very strange what is happening to you it's probably the first time I read about something like this.
Please note I am no battery expert either.
From own experience and friends, usually when you wear a battery (or it worn by itself after use or bad storage condition before being sold) it still goes up to 100% but does not retain original design capacity anymore. The usual behavior is like for example you still have like 30% left, and suddenly it drops to like 5% and you only have a few seconds to plug it in the charger.
When that's happens it is time to change battery.
In your case I really have no idea what could prevent HW/SW to reach 100%.
AnonyIsRight said:
I haven't ever used an amperemeter because I don't have one, and neither I do know how to use one of those.
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Oh those are easy to use as I meant some kind of small USB device that you plug in between your charger and your phone. They are cheap and you get them for like 10 bucks on Amazon. Readings might not be 100% accurate but they still give a decent idea as they display Voltage, Amperage and accumulated capacity/used current for device plugged.
AnonyIsRight said:
If you can lend me a hand and give me the link to join the Telegram Group, it would very helpful . But I don't want to root the phone yet, cause the seller's warranty stills intact.
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As I said I am nothing like an expert or anything so I am unsure what I can do to help. However I did check the telegram group and I confirm you the battery calibration thing is a rooted thing.
To find that group it is pretty easy just search for Redmi Note 8 Pro OFFICIAL from telegram and join the group.
You find quite a few things there.
AnonyIsRight said:
And yes, I have tried it and the off-mode charging screen keeps showing me 99% (or kept, because now it keeps at 79%). And I also tried few restarts and it didn't fixed it. :c
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Normally nothing you could have done, could have damaged the battery this way. Depleting it completely could have shorten its life or damage its overall capacity, but by all means there is no way in just a month you could have damaged the battery to this point. So either the OS is not reading things right (what version of OS and phone do you have - which region is your rom?) or either sensors or battery have a problem.
Since you still are under warranty period I would definitely get it replaced. Maybe you got a faulty batch or something. This happens.
AnonyIsRight said:
PS. I will try to do a factory reset to see if the MIUI update has something to do with the issue (because the seller told me to do it, and I will do it, though I don't think it could solve the issue). Please, if you have any advice before I do it, you could help me a lot. ( I'll do it something around 11:00 AM in GMT -03:00)
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This definitely cannot hurt to try.
If that does not work return the phone.
Just to know, based on your flag I would assume you are in Chile but I may be wrong. If I am not mistaking it is summer there and probably is pretty hot. I wonder if 'too hot' could damage the battery.
Hope this helps.
Regards,